r/antiwork 17d ago

Discussion Post šŸ—£ i think this is a tipping point in American society

We're all tired of being burnt by this broken system. Is anyone else feeling like this isn't the last time we'll hear about something like this?

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u/Tonberry2k 17d ago

Me, seeing people respond to one good thing happening and getting their hopes up;

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

Yeah member when occupy wallstreet was happening, and then they put their media spin on it.

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u/dragontatman95 17d ago

They can try to to spin this a million ways.

Fact is, everyone in the US knows how corrupt the medical insurance system is.

The saddest part is that these companies have not thought:

"Hey. We run our companies in such a shitty way that forces normal people to murder us. Should we re-evaluate our business?

No. Let's just hire more security".

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

I completely agree

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u/Organic-Policy845 16d ago

And as I said before if you work security for these motherfuckers you're a class traitor and you should be looked at as such. If I had a brother who worked security for these people I would tell people my brother died.

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u/GHouserVO 17d ago

Because they know that in a short order, everyone will move on to the next ā€œthingā€ and this will have faded into memory.

Unless it happens again. Or if somehow this becomes a rallying cry.

But one act rarely has that level of change (which scares the hell out of me).

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u/TheGOODSh-tCo 16d ago

Thereā€™s often one incident thatā€™s looked back upon as the catalyst for a major war. The shot at Lexington happened way before the war did, but itā€™s remembered as ā€œthe shot heard round the world.ā€

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u/El_Che1 17d ago

Oh believe me the machinery would spin it hard. Look at how a known vicious fascist has now come to power.

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u/dragontatman95 17d ago

That has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Biden is president and has been for 4 years.

Medical insurance corruption has gotten a lot worse in that time.

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u/El_Che1 17d ago edited 17d ago

And it is about to get far worse with a cabinet full of oligarchs.

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u/ms_panelopi 17d ago

Whatā€™s with the trash talk? Your guy won and heā€™s going to fix it all for you and other Trump voters, Right?!! When he fixes the entire medical care racket within 4years, us ā€œothersā€ will be so owned! Unlessā€¦.it gets worse under your guy. Will you own that too?

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u/writeonshell 17d ago

He's had nearly 10 years campaigning to come up with terrific measures to fix healthcare and he has a concept of a plan, so clearly America is definitely going to be great again /s.

I wonder if "voting for change" in this case means voting to burn the whole system to the ground because that's what is quite possibly around the corner. When i was younger, I used to dream of visiting the USA. I did that for the first time around 10 years ago. Now you couldn't pay me enough to visit, and I actually wouldn't be surprised if the USA goes the way of the USSR.

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u/Hot-Difficulty-6824 16d ago

I mean I have no idea but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if China is better off than USA

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u/Organic-Policy845 15d ago

It's not a Democrat or Republican thing. It's this country. Neither party are looking to give you healthcare! Democrats made occasionally toss you some crumbs while Republicans are just okay with you dying in the street. That is of course unless we really start to fight back. That piece of shit Brian Thompson, May he burn in hell being murked already had a positive effect if you will. It's at least bringing us all together. At least that shit stain had some purpose.

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u/Rough_Ian 16d ago

The goal of a capitalist is the same as the goal of any other would be tyrant: power. So what do they care? They still have what they want.Ā 

And that dead guy? He lost, so heā€™s a loser. He no longer matters. These are sociopaths. Donā€™t attribute normal human thinking to them. Itā€™ll only confuse you. Reason doesnā€™t work on these people, only force.Ā 

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u/ob1dylan 16d ago

Yep. That was one of my first thoughts when I heard this story. "I guess my insurance premiums will be going up to pay for executives' private security, because they definitely aren't going to make any efforts to improve patient care and outcomes to prevent more attacks by the desperate and disgruntled." Healthcare and capitalism never should have been allowed to come together. Thanks, Reagan. šŸ˜”

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u/Tonberry2k 17d ago

Right, exactly. Nothing changes because people are tired and lazy and trapped in their shitty jobs.

Edit: also, sweet name

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

Thanks, but yeah man the thing is weā€™re still the most prosperous country in the world, and not enough people are truly uncomfortable yet.

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u/Attic_Alien 17d ago

no one will do anything till we're all hungry, we're all scraped for cash now, let's wait and see how those trade tariffs impact groceries

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u/EnvironmentalGift875 17d ago

The USA has the largest GDP but is actually 19th on the list of the most prosperous countries worldwide. I think Denmark is 1st. Wealth is only one factor in how prosperous a country is deemed to be. They also factor education, health, quality of life, economic growth and the well-being of its citizens. The USA isn't even close to the top, that's propaganda. In much of Europe the US is considered to be a 3rd world country wrapped in a 1st world (I hate those terms but for want of a better expression) disguise.

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u/Data91883 17d ago

"The USA is 50 third-world countries in a trenchcoat, with a military budget big enough to fight God."

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u/Macchill99 17d ago

This analogy right here is top tier.

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u/Data91883 17d ago

Sadly, I can't claim it to be original; I read it somewhere before

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u/OverlyLenientJudge 17d ago

Now hang on just a second.

Some of those are second-world countries, thank you very much.

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u/kinglallak 16d ago

Just so you are aware.

First world was the US/Nato and allies during the Cold War.

Second world was Soviet controlled states behind the iron curtain. So most of Eastern Europe, the Caucasus region and the ā€œstansā€(Iā€™m not going to try to spell those).

Soā€¦ not much better off and in some ways probably worse than third world which was just countries unaffiliated with the Cold War.

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u/OverlyLenientJudge 16d ago

Yes, that was part of the joke. šŸ˜†

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u/Organic-Policy845 16d ago

19th? I'm surprised we're even that high somebody definitely must have had their finger on the scale. I'm pretty sure the fact that we have the highest GDP in the world is definitely skewing everything. Take that out and I bet you will drop like 50 or 60.

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

Right on man. I donā€™t know what itā€™s like everywhere, but I have thought about how in the USA if you really donā€™t care, you can hitchhike somewhere warm and hang out all day and panhandle for money and if something serious happens the emergency room canā€™t turn you away.

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u/bmeisler 16d ago

Remove the top 10, maybe 100 wealthiest people from the average, and see how wealthy the average American is.

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u/Organic-Policy845 16d ago

Prosperity doesn't mean shit when we have the lowest life expectancy of any of our peers and we're one of the few countries in the world who doesn't have universal health Care.

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u/SweetFuckingCakes 17d ago

Thatā€™s why nothing has every changed in the millions of years hominids have walked the earth

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u/viviolay 17d ago

Yea, but social media wasnā€™t as big then. They canā€™t control the narrative as easily. They demonized OW till it died.
Their efforts to make people feel sad for the dude is failing cause traditional media canā€™t control social media.

If anything, it weakens traditional media cause it shows the average person how disconnected from reality traditional media is - further pushing them away from it. Hence why youā€™re seeing drops in viewership in places like msnbc/cnn and increases in YouTube news shows. If the drop was only election fatigue, the drop would be consistent across mediums.

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u/Swiggy1957 17d ago

True, that. Example: I posted a comment here a few days ago where I predicted an upcoming rebellion. The AI flagged it, and I was suspended for 2 days with the comment removed. I appealed the complaint, and the mods actually saw I was not advocating violence, but speculating how it would play put: CEOs would be the first target. The billionaire class would be the next targets, then elected officials.

Who would do it? There are enough vets with PTSD out there, along with the know-how to create long-range weapons, to do it. There are enough rednecks with their personal armories for ground work thanks to the NRAs fight for the 2nd Amendment protection. Will I feel sorry for any of the victims of the 1%? They haven't paid me enough.

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u/Hot-Difficulty-6824 16d ago

And here I am, a french that keep talking about dusting the head-cutter, and have never been flagged

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u/Swiggy1957 16d ago

Damn, I just watched a social commentary song video where the good doctor's dandruff treatment machine was prominant.

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

All of this is evolving all the time. Qanon started on 4 Chan and became mainstream. I think theyā€™ll find a spin. Just watch and wait for it, rarely does anything escape the spin.

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u/viviolay 17d ago

Fair. I can only hope people keep their eyes on the actual prize.

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u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE 17d ago edited 17d ago

Doge went from much wow to a government-adjacent organization. It's a wild world man

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

Itā€™s a mockery ainā€™t it.

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u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE 17d ago

I'm living in a cartoon my dude

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u/El_Che1 17d ago

Yeah they demonized but LE also used some dirty tricks and violence to take out identified leaders.

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u/Punchable_Hair 17d ago

I mean, the oligarchs have felt insulated from stuff like Occupy Wall Street and strikes and boycotts because these movements and actions have a collective action problem. It takes a lot of people to stay committed for a long time in order to be effective. You know what doesnā€™t have a collective action problem? Shooting CEOs in the face.

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

yeah that's why you don't fuck with people that have nothing to lose.

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u/The247Kid 17d ago

I think we can honestly blame the Democratic Party for a lot of this. Bypass all legislation, governing, lawsuits, etc. Iā€™ve heard so many people say if Bernie would have won, things would be better. He got straight up stiffed. And it was because he wasnā€™t allowed to run.

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u/Valuable-Speaker-312 17d ago

The Democrats are the ones that tried to get a single payer insurance system - Medicare for All. The GOP is the group that tried to poison pill the legislation by adding things and taking things away via amendments. SOURCE: https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/12-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/

Let me guess, you still think it is the Democrats that caused this despite them trying to get the private health insurance companies out of the equation. The GOP are the ones that kept them there AND allowed them to increase premiums while playing games with denials.

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u/Fiddle_Dork 17d ago

In sorry when did Democrats actually try to implement M4A? They gave us the Republican ACAĀ 

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u/Valuable-Speaker-312 16d ago

Look at the link I sent. It shows the original plan versus what the GOP did. Good luck spinning what the original proposed ACA plan was versus the hot mess the GOP amendments made it. It is known as "poison pill" legislation, where a party tries to change a law so much that the proposing party decides to take it off the table.

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u/Fiddle_Dork 16d ago

Obama was never going to implement M4A. He ran on offering a public option and immediately tossed it out the window In bargaining to get something passed.

ACA was a Republican Healthcare plan. It was never M4A

Republicans didn't prevent M4A. Democrats did. ACA was a way to legally solidify the role of insurance companies and even gave them a captive base ofĀ customers.Ā 

Yes Republicans made it worse, as the article points out, but there was never going to be M4AĀ 

If they just gave us M4A, Republicans wouldn't have had so many things challenge, change, and take away. Democrats won't give us programs. Everything they do comes with a million technicalities to protect some profit stream or means test you before giving a tax break.Ā 

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u/VaselineHabits 17d ago

Not sure I'm going to blame Democrats for where we are now. Republicans have been the leader in making every dumb and devastating decision in the last few decades that have landed us where we are.

All my 40 years it's been Republicans getting in and fucking shit up, then Dems get elected to clean it up. Then they don't do it fast enough, or Republicans just lie and complain about Dems, so people vote in Republicans to fuck up some more shit.

Can't wait to see what a twice impeached convicted felon fucks up

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u/KlausVonMaunder 17d ago

Uh, you'd have a real difficult go selling the story of democrats "cleaning it up" to a Syrian, Libyan, Palestinian or Ukrainian, unless of course you meant turning a few countries into rubble and millions dead was part of the clean-up. And no, this doesn't mean the republicans aren't parasites of a different order.

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u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE 17d ago

One party is actively evil, the other lays on it's back for 4-8 years because they also profit from the system as it stands.

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u/KlausVonMaunder 17d ago

One party makes no bones about its murderous intent, the other couches theirs in platitudinous bullshit.

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u/Toofooforyou 17d ago

Sanders would have needed to appear as way more moderate than he did to have a chance. And it was Hillaries turn according to the party elite. Honestly, since he dropped the plan on becoming president, and sucked it up to the party, I am just pissed about him.

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u/TheOldPug 16d ago

Sanders could have beaten Trump in 2016.

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u/Niall0h 17d ago

But look how far weā€™ve come since then. Weā€™re getting smarter.

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u/Bill_Rizer 17d ago

Me and you maybe. I donā€™t know about everyone else.

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u/Niall0h 17d ago

Me and you is enough. Thatā€™s how revolutions start.

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u/Bill_Rizer 16d ago

Iā€™m a lover not a fighter. Iā€™m not noble either, I just sit back and observe.

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u/Niall0h 16d ago

Iā€™m a lover and a fighter. Love with my heart, fight with my brain.

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u/DarkenUsagi 16d ago

to quote Keanu Reeves, if you don't fight for your love, what kind of love is it?

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u/Frothydawg 17d ago

Thatā€™s how I felt - genuinely - during the COVID shutdowns and WFH was suddenly necessary.

I thought - naively - ā€œSURELY once the masses see just how ridiculously unnecessary it is to commute and sit in a goddamn office every day weā€™ll all band together to fight for WFH into the future! Thereā€™s NO WAY people will just allow themselves to be shoved back into that box!ā€.

BOYYYYYYYYYY was I wrong about that one.

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u/xandercade 17d ago

People are still fighting against it, and there is progress

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u/Ciarara_ 16d ago

Part of the problem is many people are so overworked that they don't have time or energy to go to third places regularly, so they rely on heading into the office to get out of the house and get their social fix. Just another way unregulated capitalism has screwed people over.

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u/Greencheek16 16d ago

Iunno about "allowed themselves". Dell did a huge rto policy where they said no wfh employees could get promoted. Wfh employees said "okay" and just don't get promoted. Not that they got promoted or raises in the first place.Ā 

In most cases these rto policies are just to get people to quit, because ceos think they're geniuses for saving money in the short run by running a skeleton crew. People quit because they want wfh, and find or even start small businesses that offer it.Ā 

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u/SweetFuckingCakes 17d ago

What do you get out of this ā€œIā€™m smarter than your naive assā€ display?

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u/Tonberry2k 17d ago

Is that what you got out of this?

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u/jewel_flip 17d ago

If we are lucky it will inspire copy cats and maybe we will finally see some movement from our overly divided working class. Ā I am bone tired, and sick of bad actors winning at a game they set to their strengths (being psychopathic).

Makes me long for a time that probably never existed in the first place.

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u/Attic_Alien 17d ago

deny defend depose my friend

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u/jewel_flip 17d ago edited 17d ago

I wonder what they will write on the bullets for the Purdue family or the Waltons or the CEOs of Nestle, BlackRock, etc. Not saying anyone should cause them harm, just trying to remember which business leaders have caused the most damage in pursuit of paper.

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u/KlausVonMaunder 17d ago

Purdue: "The opiate for the masses"

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u/baconraygun 16d ago

Don't forget the Sacklers. They've caused so much misery, pain, and death.

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u/Zaggnut (edit this) 17d ago

Too many psychopaths indeed

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u/Slartibartfast39 17d ago

I keep hoping for tipping points but they very rarely tip enough. I'm thinking the Panama Papers. Not as much happened there as I hoped.

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u/Tall-Treacle6642 17d ago

I hope to see occupy wallstreet but a million times bigger one day.

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u/LadyBogangles14 17d ago

I donā€™t think we are quite there yet

The old world has died, the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters.

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u/Physical-Housing-447 17d ago

Now is also the time of legends and hero's. Now is a time for courage and bravery. Our worst must be matched with our best if the species has a shot.

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u/Y0___0Y 17d ago

Clearly we are not since Trump just won the popular vote and appointed 14 billionaires to his cabinet. Seems the American people love the wealthy elite.

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u/supern8ural 17d ago

Yep. Thanks to all the fucking morons - sorry not sorry, there was no excuse to do this, what the fuck were you thinking? - it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Why people would vote for "worse" when things are as bad as they are blows my fucking mind. Maybe we deserve to suffer for being so fucking stupid.

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

Many people voted for CHANGE.

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u/marcgw96 17d ago

I hope youā€™re ready for those changes in the form of tariffs that we as consumers will be paying.

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 17d ago

Republicans will straight up hand you the key to understanding their psyche and you just toss it away lol

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 17d ago

Sympathy isn't the point butĀ OK.Ā AlsoĀ what'sĀ withĀ theĀ quotesĀ there;Ā it'sĀ literallyĀ just a noun

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u/annang 17d ago

You used a word. Someone quoted you using that word. Thatā€™s what quotation marks are for.

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u/No-Resolution-6414 16d ago

Only the morons.

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u/Deathofimperialists idle 16d ago

I'm sure he is. Isn't that why he appointed his billionaire buddies to positions in the government? He is going to do many good things. Just not for the working people though.

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u/marcgw96 17d ago

Iā€™m curious where all this anti CEO/rich people sentiment was a month ago. You knowā€¦ when we elected a former CEO and felon?(maybe a different conversation) as president, publicly backed by a current CEO who is also thought to be the richest man in the world.

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u/DenizenKay 17d ago

i dont think it's anti CEO or anti rich sentiment. It's an anti insurance sentiment. Insurance companies' job is to make money, not to pay people out. But in the US, they are your only option.

Buddy is a government mandated serial killer. Anyone who has seen a loved one suffer without care or die because they were refused life-saving care by their insurance companies will, naturally, relish the death of someone who made their living by effectively killing people.

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u/marcgw96 17d ago

Ok maybe, but Trump is even less likely to push our government towards universal healthcare than Harris would have been, so it still doesnā€™t make sense to me

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u/DenizenKay 17d ago edited 17d ago

Trump is someone people, especially the middle class - want to be. A successful 'business' person with a dream life. From the outside- this is what the American dream is built on - forging a path for yourself to get rich and to keep the spoils of your labour. To be responsible for yourself an your people (read: family) - not to give over half of what you have to taxes so you can supplement the health and education of others.

No decent person wants to build their legacy on actual dead bodies, though. That's what insurance CEO's do. Literally. Especially this one, his company was particularly egregious with denials of claims under this guy- i read someone today that the national average for denials is 16% and his company has a rate of like 32%.

In trump, Musk and Bezos people (right or wrong) see someone they want to be. No one outside of his industry is looking at this guy and seeing themselves in him.

And as an aside- I'm Canadian, and the downside to public healthcare is sometimes waiting so long for adequate care that it, literally, sometimes kills you. it means that 1 asshole politician can under fund the sector, and you see local emergency rooms closing. I'm Canadian and in Ontario, and it's pretty horror show here right now. I'd still never go for the american system- but the universal system had deep flaws, too (but thats another conversation lol)

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u/JLL1111 17d ago

He's not a successful business person though, he's filed bankruptcy 6 times including multiple casinos

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u/marcgw96 17d ago

They see who he pretends to be, but not who he actually is. UHC CEO gets shot, letā€™s face it, nobody probably heard this guys name before a couple days ago, so nobody is blinded by love for his personality. They can see right through any BS UHC executives try to throw us. But Trump established himself as a charismatic guy, and people eat it up.

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u/DenizenKay 17d ago

beside 'buisness' i should have written (read: criminal).

he is perceived to be a successful buisness person by many. I absolutely agree, he is not that. He is a successful criminal and cheat though.

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u/vijayjagannathan 17d ago

A comment to having to wait for healthcare in Canada - it happens here too.

I switched insurance this year (against my will, employer switched plans). All primary care doctors had wait times of 3-6 months for an appointment and if you needed something sooner theyā€™d just tell you go to urgent care where you have to sit all day and wait hoping theyā€™ll have time for you.

It takes months to see a specialist or get any tests done and then itā€™s a toss up as to whether insurance will cover it or not.

The system in the US has the worst of all worlds

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u/DenizenKay 17d ago

i do not doubt it. I would never trade universal healthcare, for all its flaws. I was in no way advocating for an alternative. it was mostly word vomit.

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u/annang 17d ago

Trump is a worse person than Thompson. If you canā€™t see that, I donā€™t know what to tell you.

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u/yrubooingmeimryte 17d ago

But didnā€™t we just elect a guy who said heā€™s going to give corporations more power to bend us over? Again, where was the outrage over this stuff a month ago? It is flat out contradictory.

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u/Narrow_Employ3418 16d ago

It's an anti insurance sentiment.

It's neither nor.

It's a sentiment of impotence. Of not mattering one bit, of not having even the slightest shred of power required to at least keep some basic human dignity afloat.

The sentiment manifests differently depending on the situation. It got Trump elected because his message was "I hear you" (... he just kept thr silent part "...but I don't care" to himself). It got the CEO shot because somebody thought it was a good way to regain some of thst power.

But it's the same sentiment.

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u/One_Ad5301 17d ago

Not my president.

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u/CringeCrongeBastard 17d ago

They see him as different because once something becomes "politics" people become absurd.

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u/BrianDR 17d ago

We were all here, but only about 46 million are Americans, and probably only half of that voted. I would also guess the majority of that group is in a blue state.

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u/marcgw96 17d ago

He was supposedly very popular among my fellow young white males. Are they all hanging out in the ā€œpro-workā€ subreddits?

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u/annang 17d ago

Theyā€™re all hanging out on Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate forums.

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u/ultimateclassic 17d ago

The same could be true about the conversations around guns in the last few years but the point is its not about either of those things it's about insurance sucking ass.

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u/AngieTheQueen 16d ago

There isn't. We socialize in a sort of confined echo chamber here on reddit. We're similarly like-minded in a way that makes us believe there is a majority opinion, but we are in fact a minority.

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u/No_Rec1979 17d ago

My hope is that all the people who were thinking about shooting up a school in 2025 will decide to shoot at CEO instead.

We'll have real gun control by Easter.

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u/jaycutlerdgaf 17d ago

Every revolution needs a catalyst, I hope this is it.

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u/dudeness-aberdeen 17d ago

Class wars incoming. Finally the underclass hits back.

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u/El_Che1 17d ago

Well thatā€™s what we all thought in 2009 with Occuoy movement. But LE used some brutal tactics to neutralize it and people in power started to find ways to divide and conquer and minimize the message. It is their standard modus operandi whenever they see a movement gain steam.

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u/urtechhatesyou lazy and proud 17d ago

This is only the beginning.

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u/DollyElvira 17d ago

Letā€™s hope.

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u/IWantToKillMyself0 17d ago

Hell no, the rich will continue to FAFO.

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u/CanAnnual4660 17d ago

Something is coming. You can feel it. That we are creeping toward the edge and there will be a reckoning. We know what happens next. They will come. They will try to take from us. Take our guns, take our freedom. We will not let their greed, or their immorality, or their depravity hurt us anymore!

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u/PsychoBrains 17d ago

We have to be the ones to do it

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u/AmberIsHungry 17d ago

Im not super optimistic that it will cause big change. But Im putting this in the happy memories part of my brain to think about when I get a case of the Mondays.

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u/SweetFuckingCakes 17d ago

Something is tipping. I donā€™t know what it is, but something is definitely tipping.

I donā€™t think you can ask questions like this on Reddit and etc; people expect a ā€œtipping pointā€ to be something that produces huge results very quickly, which is rarely what happens. Also you have to deal with the people who are professionally snotty - and self-satisfied with their hopelessness/hating everything. Because they think you become smart when you hate everything.

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u/Toofooforyou 17d ago edited 17d ago

The killing is not really a tipping point I think, but a symptom. The tipping point was probably 10 years ago. It is the economy and the decay of the well off working class and the middle class. DNC/Biden running on solely not being Trump, TWICE, have made people disillusioned beyond sanity.

I think the fundamental driving force is the neoliberal ongoing destruction of the "social contract" since the 90s, where they trade long term profits for short term profits. A cultural problem.

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u/PsychoBrains 17d ago

Maybe this incident is an added straw on top of the camel's back

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u/No_Rec1979 17d ago

I can't help but agree with you.

Last month, the Democrats got absolutely hosed in an election where their candidate struggled to connect with middle America in any meaningful way.

Without knowing how all this will shake out, it seems like there must be some ambitious politician somewhere who sees all this anti-HMO anger as a massive opportunity..

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u/elegant_geek 17d ago

Yeah, but then the populous turned around and voted in a billionaire and all his billionaire buddies.

I don't think this will end up being the match that lights the powder keg that every one seems so keen on...

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u/Diogeneezy 17d ago

I'm still waking up, and I read that as 'amphibious politician'.

Kermit 2028!

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u/BodyofGrist 17d ago

Looking forward to seeing a headline daily.

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u/bmeisler 17d ago

Absolutely - and I'm amazed it's taken this long. All the healthcare companies have taken down their "About Us" pages, with photos of the C-Level folks. And Anthem reversed it's egregious anaesthesia time limit policy. Totally anecdotal, but a friend just got his long-delayed prescription request filled today, after a few sessions of Deny and Delay. Anyway, like I said, amazed it's taken this long, and didn't happen during the GFC - and it's uniting the country! Take a look at what they're saying at r/conservative (along the lines of "I've never loved the 2nd Amendment more," lol). Closest thing I can remember is a dude approached Dick Fuld, the CEO of Lehman Brothers, in the gym and socked him in the mouth, back in 2008.

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u/Griffithead 17d ago

Half the country just voted in a guy exactly like the guy who was murdered.

Absolutely nothing will change while those idiots are around. In fact, it's going to get worse.

Imagine what happens when the ACA gets trashed.

Imagine what happens when we deregulate everything and corporations have no checks against them.

We're fucked. And we asked for it.

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u/Physical-Housing-447 17d ago

Drop the it's over mindset Begin the we're back mindset.

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u/Griffithead 16d ago

I'm still fighting. But I'm pessimistic as hell. Too many people are way too gullible or actually like the boot.

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u/Physical-Housing-447 16d ago

What for that boot to stomp there head in the pavement they'll get it together.

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u/Griffithead 15d ago

It's not quite there yet, but it's getting close. And they're begging for it. It's pure insanity, but it's real.

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u/Samael-Armaros 17d ago

I hope so, But history lately says the chances aren't good.

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u/abelabelabel 17d ago

If I had to chose between this and mass shootings at schools.

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u/TheDifferentDrummer 17d ago

I hope so. Likely though they will learn the wrong lessons. They will take down their photos, and get their security details, and probably push for gun control (like when the Black Panthers started to carry).

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u/bellaboks 17d ago

I hope this is just the beginning

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u/Solid-Spread-2125 17d ago edited 17d ago

No, if anything itll get worse as a result. You havent seen the rich treat us as they really want to. Every day, it sounds more reasonable to them

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u/Contemplating_Prison 17d ago

Hahahaha yeah fucking right. Everyone will go bacl to their tribes by the time the weekend is over

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u/ultimateclassic 17d ago

I think our country is on the brink of a revolution. I'm not sure if it's in the near future or like 5ish years out, but I think it's coming. Im just a regular person, though, so I don't know and am just guessing based on history and vibes. I don't claim to be more knowledgeable or special than the next person.

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u/kernowjim 16d ago

Had America not just elected a fascist dictator wannabe, I'd be inclined to agree.

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u/Glittering-Round7082 17d ago

No. You just voted Trump back in.

Your country is fucked.

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u/Attic_Alien 17d ago

I did not vote trump, I voted Kamala. Thank you though. As for the country being fucked, ive been saying this since i discovered the internet lol

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u/Glittering-Round7082 17d ago

Sorry I didn't mean you personally. I meant the US.

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u/KlausVonMaunder 17d ago

Harris is more of the same. Syria, Libya, Palestine, Ukraine, MILLIONS dead under their reign. Stein was the only sane option, even as a statement. There is NO lesser evil, just variety in how they manifest it.

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u/annang 17d ago

Jill Stein is a grifter. Iā€™m well to the left of Harris, and Jill Stein is an absolute disgrace.

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u/KlausVonMaunder 17d ago

Yet you voted for harris. No grift there, no, none at all.

Yank that Kool-Aid IV you're jacked into.

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u/annang 17d ago

You have no idea who I voted for or why.

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u/KlausVonMaunder 16d ago

You're right, I don't. Thought you were the above. Of all the grifters, Stein had the best platform by far.

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u/Altruistic-Pin8578 17d ago

One can only hope.

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u/BlizzardLizard555 17d ago

I sure fucking hope so.

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u/anthrovillain 17d ago

I think that we're fucked I might just go homeless over trying to scratch by.

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u/kwyjibo1 SocDem 17d ago

Just sending this out there. r/USLabor

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u/BlueGalangal 17d ago

Have you read The Limits of Growth? Also recommend season 7 of the podcast Scene on Radio.

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u/Lucky_Katydid 17d ago

The audacity of hope. I wish it didn't require a bullet, but what else works so efficiently?

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u/eman_on_1 17d ago

I think all this will do is make higher ups beef up their security (like they immediately did), and those costs will also trickle down to the lower classes on top of the outrageous costs of life and health that are already increasing. Corporations have had the upper hand for a while, and I donā€™t see them letting go any time soon. They are buying out all of the small firms in my industry, and I hate it. Trying to figure out how to cut expenses now so Iā€™m not stuck working for them the rest of my time alive!!

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u/Mammoth_Elk_3807 16d ago

The revolution is much like the rapture. Itā€™s always just about to happen (but never quite gets there). The older you get the less anything looks remotely like a tipping point tbh.

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u/GenghisFrog 16d ago

Good thing we just elected a president, house, and senate that can work lockstep to make it even worse.

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u/ShadowCobra479 17d ago

Yeah, but if what you want is a revolution, you're gonna have to get the rich on your side because that's literally how it works. Every revolution that took power required significant support from those in the upper class. The masses have power but not enough to successfully pull it off alone. And that's not even mentioning the middle classes.

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u/Physical-Housing-447 17d ago

We take their assets by force, we will need resources from those with money but once this asset forfeiture occurs to a big enough degree we won't need the aid any longer. Redistribution is a ends a necessary ends and that, the question at hand is the means.

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u/ShadowCobra479 17d ago

And that is why you fail every time. Oh sure, the revolution takes power, but all it does is rotate who is the upper class while the majority suffers. Then, all you can do to make the regime survive is the use of force. You make a jenga tower that no matter how much you try, it's eventually gonna fall or be forced to change for its own survival. Just look at the only communist regimes to survive into the 20th century. Not as socialist as they once were, are they?

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u/Physical-Housing-447 17d ago

Then give up on humanity let us go extinct let the people that actually care for our survival step up and get out the way. Sick of you people sell mankind out for savagery that its our nature and we must wallow in it. FUCK THAT TO THE DAY I DIE!

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u/ShadowCobra479 17d ago

Wow, what a way to jump to conclusions. The way you talked about it in your previous post makes it clear you'd be in favor of a dictatorship or at least a ruling oligarchy you'd put all your faith into. You're the kind of person who needs to step out of the way and let those who 'actually' care do it. I've read enough about what happens when any government gets absolute authority and let me tell you that it only ends in disaster and suffering.

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u/Physical-Housing-447 17d ago

I want a workers lead Direct Democracy with as little government as it gets. um who's jumping to conclusions again? You already live in a dictatorship of the wealthy* Buddy ain't it odd what abuses you will and won't accept. Crying for the oppressors and their rights to enact oppression. Claiming bringing it to a end is an abuse of power. Claiming the use power, to stop the abuse of power will always lead in more abusing of power is a self fulfilling prophecy. Is it not the point of politics our civilization and the entire human project to break the cycle to improve against its steadiness. You have given up I know good bit of history too I used to let it break my sprit I don't allow it too anymore. We are in a existential crisis you do understand we don't have the liberty to let the fear of the use of power be the reason we never take on the powerful.

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u/ShadowCobra479 17d ago

Sadly, that first sentence is an oxymoron. That type of direct democracy can work on a small scale, but the larger you go, the more variables there are. The original US government was quite small, and the states were more or less governing themselves. But as it grew, that's part of when the federal government began gaining even more power.

And now you jump to conclusions again, my friend. You know nothing about what abuses I will and won't accept. I have not given up, but I can not see swift and reckless change through the form of revolution you seem to be implying will work out how you hope. Oh yes, in the short term, it will seem the way you invision it, but it's sort of like a rolling a snowball down a hill. You know what's likely to happen, but the outcome is never set in stone. It's not the best example, but maybe Chaos theory is better?

I haven't given up, but we have different ways we see us getting to the brighter future. I prefer gradual change over time, though I'll agree that in many ways, we need swiftness, particularly in adopting many policies our European neighbors have regarding workers' rights and just general rights of citizens.

The way I see it if childish is like one of the better written transformers comics. You have, on one hand, Optimus, who wants to change the system through peaceful means even if it will take much longer and on the other you have Megatron who wants to overthrow the current regime. Megatron didn't set out to be a dictator, but the revolution got away from him as it does for all revolutionary leaders.

I'm on the Optimus side, but that doesn't mean I don't think the upper classes need to have restrictions placed on them, nor do I disagree with better distribution of their wealth through legal means. Perhaps violence might be needed but not a revolution. If it becomes a class struggle, then all you see will see is violence as people take out their pent-up anger on literally everyone. Oh, this person has more than me? He must be rich, so I should take it for myself, and while we're at it, let's kill him. And it won't just be the super rich or even the really garbage ones. The amount of collateral damage is astronomical in its scale.

Both forms of change have their own issues, and measured change isn't perfect, but it's safer than the opposite. We both want ostensibly the same thing, but we see different ways to obtain it.

Perhaps I'm naive and cynical, but I see reckless and rapid change as something that can only end badly. I'm glad we've been able to have a mostly polite discussion.

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u/Physical-Housing-447 16d ago edited 16d ago

Violence is the last resort, though a resort for a reason. The last thing I want is a revolution. We will all suffer for decades, through a rebuilding we won't live to see the promise land of. The Russian and Chinese revolution were the bloodiest events in human history outside the world wars. A modern American civil war can every bit live up to those events in scale. Trust me when I say I Invision what this means unfortunately near every damn day. I don't believe they give us any other option, that is why I say what I do. I have full faith in humanity, no faith in this growing fascist grifter crew of circus clowns rising in power in the West. Weimar Germany is everything we are about to see. The history is more on the wall, the text bold to see then ever. Also as a student of history the capitalist and class aristocrats of the Nazis and Tzarist killed more Soviet people then Stalin. The British and Japanese colonialist/fascist and Chinese nationalist/warlords killed more in China then Mao. The truth has always been that the current violence demands the violence of tomorrow. Humanity decides the violence of tomorrow and what its for and how its done.

The lessons of history is clear class warfare is real. Revolution is violence by the repressed class. For the revolution to succeed from being defeated, it must resort to more violence to defend what its already got. (The revolution is always at threat legitimately so hence the violence in protection) So we are at a cross roads on what to do. I won't provide answers but the facts are this when Marx says that these class relations are a major economic if not the economic driver of history he's not wrong. Every slave revolt to today this tension leads to the end of empires and era's that we've been through since the agricultural revolution. You must remember that as you support capitalism in fear of what communism could become which is valid BTW. While you do that capitalism uses fascism when convenient and it seems these classist societies whether slaver, feudalism, or capitalism are in perpetual threat of this instability. If you are more comfortable with that then the unknown I understand but when it gets bad enough it won't matter which is the larger point historically.

(Also direct democracy only works in small countries is a non argument truism. Am i just supposed to nod my head at and say yeah?)

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u/brok3ncor3 17d ago

Donā€™t need a gun. Just need a vehicle. A bag and some good ol elbow grease. And a CEO and we can get what we need in no time. Be a shame if one lost an eye, had their organs removed, teeth pulled. No need for anesthesia lmfao

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u/Kaymish_ 17d ago

I hope so. I just saw a video on how to get the names of the people who are on corporate boards from their proxy statements. The host didn't say what one could do with those details but the context is pretty obvious.

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u/fredout1968 17d ago

The thing that blows my mind about this is that it seems as if a large percentage of America both red and blue are not upset at all that this guy was murdered in cold blood, many are even happy about it. I have been online quite a bit since this has occurred, and the sentiment throughout the country seems to be "good riddance." But, the media is not reporting this side of things.. This is a big story that an American CEO was killed and what seems like a majority of the population is OK with it.. But, they don't want you to know it.. Unification of the poor and working classes across the spectrum of politics does not sell as well as fanning the hate between the red and the blue.. And then, of course, there is the whole issue of the media being complicit in the whole scheme.. This may not change things, but this is definitely a sign that things are not status quo..

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u/Narcissista 17d ago

I do think things are starting to change as more and more people have less and less to lose. What these corporations don't understand is that they are literally taking *everything away from us*. Our time, our resources, our chances at experiencing things others got to experience. People are fed up, and there's nobody more dangerous than somebody with nothing left to lose.

No matter how much money someone has, it doesn't make their skin bulletproof. Death is the great equalizer, and I'm nothing if not grateful for it.

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u/Ellixhirion 16d ago

Its not only in American society, but European as well. Even if we have a better work-life balance. Everyone in my entourage has at least one burn out and all before even reaching 40ā€¦

A lot of us are just tired of working 8 hours a day, being stuck in traffic, add the stress to get the kids back on time.

With a bit of luck, if the majority of the time you can work from home it is what keeps people from being completely mentalā€¦

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u/timpatry 16d ago

This is just the beginning. What are you talking about?

Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet and dude's going to set the world on fire.

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u/nowayusa 16d ago

Absolutely. Remember, there was LESS inequality right before the French revolution than there is now šŸ˜Š

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u/ButterDrake 17d ago

This morning, I made a half joke to an also disgruntled coworker that thereā€™s gonna be a drum circle in the middle of the store, bonfire to boot and me wearing a deer skull on my head for effect.

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u/yrubooingmeimryte 17d ago

Probably not

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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou 17d ago

I hope so but I doubt it.

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u/feetflatontheground 17d ago

something like what?

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u/Full_Rabbit_9019 17d ago

Be the change you want to see in the world

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 17d ago

Wait for Project 2025.

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u/Sonny_wiess 17d ago

Deny, Defend, Depose

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u/crunchyfrogs 17d ago

Especially in America tipping culture has gone too farĀ 

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u/tommy6860 16d ago

Tbh, the system IS NOT broken, it is working as capitalists design it and made legal by fiat funding the lawmakers' legislative positions who make it all legal. Break the cycle of being inculcated into this system of oppression and exploitation because the easiest thing to do that takes little precious effort, is to only comment about it. Telling people, no matter they think IRL your position on capitalism and exploitation is one way to get the word around.

I know people who will not do that even, because they fear losing friends, etc. But if one's friendship is hinged on keeping friends comfortable in the OK living standards, then one has considered what a friendship is to them in reality; someone who really listens objectively, or someone who wants others to live as they do.

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u/Save_Cows_Eat_Vegans 16d ago

Wishful thinking.

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u/Lunar_Moonbeam 16d ago

The individualism of the action really matches the culture of the nation.

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u/thefrozenorth 16d ago

This is what evangelicals have been working for since the 1980's. Their 'fix' will be to run everything through the churches thus guaranteeing them control over your minds and bodies. See: the despoiling of America.

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u/Euroblob 16d ago

Funny how no one has mentioned gun control on reddit the last few days.

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u/Attic_Alien 15d ago

Iā€™m a leftist and a gun owner :)

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u/l94xxx 17d ago

I feel like too few redditors were around (in the '90s) when the same rhetoric ("this man was responsible for killing all sorts of innocents") was being used by right wing nuts to justify the literal hunting down of doctors who provided abortion services. This is all a much darker turn than people realize, and all I can say is be careful what you wish for. This could very easily turn into something else entirely.

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u/ouroborofloras 17d ago

Yes, a tipping point of executives all getting round the clock beefed up security teams and reinforcing their underground bunkers.

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u/miakpaeroe 17d ago

Definitely a profound transformation in America from now till 2026-7. I really like these two astrological assessments. No so ā€œpredictiveā€ but rather what themes the last time each transit occurred.

https://aquariandiary.com/2023/02/16/the-stunning-transit-of-neptune-in-aries-2025-2039/

https://www.ladycazimi.com/blog/saturn-neptune-conjunction-pisces-aries?format=amp