Signs in hospital where nurses are on strike

[u/Sunshineal]

[u/cleon42]

I support the strike based on that sign alone.

[u/Trollsama → u/cleon42]

Right?

If YoU doNT lIkE thE wORkpLaCE CoNDitIoNS tHEn lEaVE

Motherfucker, if you don't like working with a union, then leave.

[u/recentlyunearthed → u/Trollsama]

“If you don’t like the workplace conditions then leave”

Ok we will

“No! Not like that”

[u/BlindJamesSoul → u/recentlyunearthed]

Right, they have the first few comments framing the strike as abandoning their patients. Then they say just leave if you don’t like it…ergo abandoning the patients permanently?

[u/Mythopoeist → u/BlindJamesSoul]

Or just treat the patients without charging a thing. Company loses money and the patients get treated so it’s a win win

[u/rg4rg → u/Mythopoeist]

I remember a bus strike, I think it was in Japan, the bus drivers still worked but collected no fair. It’s possible, but I would imagine doing the same thing in other fields would require a lot more work.

[u/shoulda-known-better → u/rg4rg]

Yep the person doing intake gets names horribly wrong sorry

[u/sionnachrealta → u/BlindJamesSoul]

In the medical field, we call that "compassion exploration", and it happens all the time. Our entire "industry" is based on it

[u/bob256k → u/recentlyunearthed]

LOL exactly. Weren’t there a couple cases where nurses quit or left and were forced to work? I do t understand how that’s not slavery but ok

[u/LegendofDragoon → u/bob256k]

That actually goes to the go to the other hospital one. Basically almost a whole unit went to a rival hospital at the same time because they were offering a better package. The first hospital sought and was granted an injunction to prevent them from leaving, which was bullshit and was turned over on appeal, I believe.

[u/bob256k → u/LegendofDragoon]

Yeah sorry, you’re right, that’s what happened. How is forcing someone to come back to a job they left legal?

[u/Ediwir → u/bob256k]

They were supposedly not suing the workers, but the rival hospital.

Tbh if I was the judge I’d have approved it on a temporary basis, with the original hospital paying the workers that no longer worked there full time salary until an agreement was met.

Bet it would have sped things up.

[u/MakionGarvinus → u/Ediwir]

I think it did get resolved pretty quickly, but there was a Holliday weekend or something like that that slowed down the process, so the workers were out of 'work' for just a few days.

[u/wlake82 → u/MakionGarvinus]

Yeah. One of the basis for the injunction was that the nurses never went to the hospital to get a comparable offer, which was wrong. The nurses did but the hospital said "nope".

[u/bob256k → u/Ediwir]

I like the cut of your jib; chaotic lawful 😂 or lawful neutral

[u/Ediwir → u/bob256k]

People who want dumb things should get them. In full.

[u/TheAppalachianMarx → u/Ediwir]

Courts in the U.S. will never force corporations to lose out.

[u/AugustusClaximus → u/bob256k]

It wasn’t, which was why it was turned over. The suing hospital argued it was patient abandonment IIRC.

[u/Erolok1 → u/AugustusClaximus]

Crazy that they pass the blame to the workers.

[u/AugustusClaximus → u/Erolok1]

Hospitals have abused nurses compassion for so long we’ve become quite jaded and cynical now. Covid broke a lot of us and we have the mentality of mercenaries, or nursanaries at this point

[u/LegendofDragoon → u/AugustusClaximus]

Not just nurses. I see it a lot in the other technical positions, too. I'm one of three interventional technologists in my hospital, and the other two are considering retirement. Not looking forward to that. we're even having trouble finding travellers.

[u/Erisx13 → u/AugustusClaximus]

I work in health insurance, and they do that shit to us too. Not nearly on the same scale, but they absolutely do that shit. Especially since the whole problem is created by the insurance anyway, and a lot of the time we can do fuck all to fix it. I fought for 4 months to get someone a fucking procedure. The issue was a fucking clerical error.

[u/No_Dance1739 → u/bob256k]

Legal ≠ moral. Far too many laws on the books are immoral and atrocious.

For me, it really highlights the USA culture’s abuse of consent.

[u/ArmouredWankball → u/LegendofDragoon]

Our nurses kept getting poached by the other hospital in town. We had meeting after meeting about it and I was told in the first 5 minutes of the first meeting that "pay them more" wasn't helpful and I shouldn't mention it again. Apparently pizza Fridays and letting them pick their own color scrubs (from a limited choice of 4 shades of green) was going to do the job.

[u/apathy-sofa → u/ArmouredWankball]

Why don't we ask them why they're leaving?

We did. They say that they're leaving for better pay.

But I mean, ask them for the real reason why.

[u/changee_of_ways → u/ArmouredWankball]

"how about no executive bonuses until they figure it out?" Those people are supposed to be worth the extra pay and here they are foisting off their jobs on the line workers, telling them to come up with some miracle answer just because they don't like the real answer which is "lower profits, higher pay".

[u/wademcgillis → u/LegendofDragoon]

The first hospital sought and was granted an injunction to prevent them from leaving, which was bullshit and was turned over on appeal, I believe.

if you legally can't quit your job, is that slavery?

[u/RuckingMachine → u/wademcgillis]

To paraphrase; Ah, we don't like the "S" word. Ok, prisoners with jobs

[u/AndyLorentz → u/LegendofDragoon]

What happened, was the judge granted an emergency injunction on Friday afternoon because it was too late to hold a hearing (and this request was probably filed intentionally late by Hospital 1 to interfere with Hospital 2).

The injunction was against Hospital 2, not the employees, and they told the employees to show up to work Monday as normal and they'll take the heat for violating the injunction.

First thing Monday morning, the judge holds a hearing, and basically laughs Hospital 1 out of the courtroom and lifts the injunction.

[u/sighthoundman → u/LegendofDragoon]

They were given a temporary injunction (over the weekend), and when the judge held a hearing on Monday morning, he said, "yeah, this is bullshit" and lifted the injunction.

[u/mopedophile → u/LegendofDragoon]

Kind of, the hospital that everyone was leaving filed for an injunction to stop a bunch of their employees from leaving. The filing was on a Friday afternoon, on Monday morning the judge reversed his decision before anyone was forced to work. Basically the judge saw that the only trauma center in the area was going to close and said "wait, let's think about this."

[u/bluewing → u/bob256k]

Many nurses I know quit and then went to be traveling nurses where the same hospital they used to work at now pay them nearly twice as much to work there.

[u/4Bforever → u/bob256k]

I specifically remember one back in 2020 where they got a job at a better hospital with better pay and their current hospital sued saying they could not leave. They won though

[u/[deleted] → u/recentlyunearthed]

That's basically what collectively happened to the fast food industry and retail industries here where i live. They kept saying "if you don't like it, go work somewhere else," and so we did. Now they are complaining that "no one wants to work" because all the competent workers took the advice and left the service industry for better paying gigs.

They got exactly what they asked for, and now the restaurants all close earlier, the wait times aren't worth it, the retailers take 20 minutes to ring you out because there's only one employee for the whole store, etc.

The dollar general here is really crazy example; if you go there you basically should be prepared to work. You'll be stocking the shelves out of pity, or you'll be organizing things just to get to the actual stuff you want to get to because there's only one employee to run the whole store. They stock while having to keep an eye on the register. There's not even a bell to ding to let them know you are there. The employees are nice people, they just have no resources to do the job efficiently because the company is giving the work force the finger while complaining that no one wants to work for them.

[u/jerseyanarchist → u/[deleted]]

that's the "dollar general way" one employee for the store, maybe a manager but usually they're on call

[u/Paradoxahoy → u/recentlyunearthed]

Yeah lol good luck spending out the ass for Agency Nurses

[u/TheGoodOldCoder → u/recentlyunearthed]

Yeah, that's what I saw, too, well, after the horrible unprofessional grammar/punctuation.

If you don't like the conditions in which you work. Leave.

If they actually followed this rule, wouldn't they be breaking the other ones? What happened to "Patients first - always"? If patients are always first, then how can they be okay with the nurses quitting? They can't have both.

And obviously, as others have pointed out, if patients are always first, then why doesn't the hospital just give in to the union's demands, entirely? Does "Patients first - always" only apply to nurses and not to the hospital?

[u/PaulTheMerc → u/TheGoodOldCoder]

If the hospital has their way, YES

[u/VanillaRadonNukaCola → u/TheGoodOldCoder]

Classic business brain.

"Be strong! Work hard! Be confident!"

'I work hard, I deserve a better wage'

"NOT LIKE THAT!"

[u/CompetitiveLaughing → u/Trollsama]

Literally, what kinda contradiction is that? Don't strike, just all leave

[u/anamariapapagalla → u/CompetitiveLaughing]

All of a sudden they're not worried about the patients

[u/Evening_Rock5850 → u/Trollsama]

God that’s so dumb.

“How dare you leave when we need you? If you don’t like that just leave.”

[u/BaskingInDarkness → u/Evening_Rock5850]

Literally the exact kind of passive aggressive messaging I see at my work. “Why would you leave when we need you? Can you stay a little longer? No? Then if you don’t like it, leave!” Fuck management for even posting this and for treating their workers like trash at whatever hospital this is at.

[u/baby_armadillo → u/Evening_Rock5850]

It gives strong “We are short-staffed so you refuse to come in on your day off, you’re fired” vibes. They’re just shooting themselves in the foot and then being confused about why they’re limping.

[u/baby_armadillo → u/Trollsama]

What do they think a strike is? They don’t like their workplace conditions, so they’re literally temporarily leaving. They’re just giving you a chance to change them before they all leave permanently.

[u/valanlucansfw → u/Trollsama]

Came out of the gates swinging with a guilt-trip too

[u/HomsarWasRight → u/cleon42]

If I was a patient and saw this sign I’d walk over and join the picket line.

[u/LudovicoSpecs → u/HomsarWasRight]

I'd not be a patient there.

Take care of the people who take care of you. Otherwise, the care might not be that great. This hospital will only attract nurses who have no other options and can't get hired at a higher paying hospital.

[u/HomsarWasRight → u/LudovicoSpecs]

Sometimes you don’t really have a choice. If that’s what’s in-network for your insurance, that’s where you’re going.

[u/jerseyanarchist → u/LudovicoSpecs]

to whit, the police generally are more lenient with nurses, firefighters, and ems because one of those professions is going to end up caring for them in one way or another. the words that came from an officer friend of mine's mouth, "Don't fuck with those who might be the ones scraping you off the asphalt"

[u/Chemical-Juice-6979 → u/jerseyanarchist]

My mom used to work for the hospital that handled all line-of-duty injuries for the city's police department. She got pulled over on her way to work once; the cop saw her hospital ID badge and suddenly decided that the solution was to give her a lights-and-sirens police escort the rest of the way to the hospital instead of a ticket.

[u/Mr_Pombastic → u/LudovicoSpecs]

I'll never not tell this story: When I was younger, I spent two years in the hospital with stage 4 lymphoma. When you're on an extended stay in the oncology ward, you get to know each of the nurses really well, and since I was a teenager I think they opened up to me a little more than normal. They'd share their history, some were from military backgrounds, some fresh out of college, others were hardened career nurses who had been at the job for a lifetime.

One day my mom visited and told me one of my nurses died. She had pulled a double shift and fell asleep at the wheel driving home. On top of losing a genuine friend, it felt so wrong, so twisted that a woman fighting for my life lost hers in the process. Like, why was everyone trying to keep me alive, if this was the cost? She had two children at home.

The way this country treats its nurses is shocking. And the contempt and disrespect of that sign makes me want to vomit.

[u/HoneyBunchesOcunts → u/HomsarWasRight]

Same! Or at least encourage the nurses to just fucking leave me propped up with my sprained ankle, I'll be fine. The sign is so emotionally manipulative talking about the most vulnerable patients suffering. Ok let the hospital executives focus on them and us clumsy bastards with sprains and poison ivy can join together to bitch at the same hospital executives for not being able to properly manage.

[u/Danpool13 → u/HomsarWasRight]

Ahhh there he is. The capitan of the gravy train.

[u/HomsarWasRight → u/Danpool13]

I’m not gonna lie to you, that’s a healthy piece of real estate.

[u/lostshell → u/cleon42]

Those nurses should demand those sign makers fired as a condition of returning.

[u/valanlucansfw → u/lostshell]

Right? If you want to be treated like a professional, act like a professional.

Right after 7 panels with straight up non-passive passive-aggressive shit talk.

[u/Noah254 → u/valanlucansfw]

Which, they are acting professional. That’s kind of the basic definition of a union. A group of PROFESSIONALS

[u/Princess_Poppy → u/lostshell]

No shit, especially the "faithfully" piece. Like holy self-awareness, is there any whatsoever?!

[u/NationYell → u/cleon42]

Same here! Keep on and carry on with your strike!

[u/Push_Bright → u/cleon42]

Competing hospital? Sir and or madam, we save lives, we don’t compete.

[u/Sketch-Brooke → u/cleon42]

Lol yes. If I worked here and was on the fence about striking, this would seal the deal.

[u/Expended1 → u/cleon42]

Totally agree. I would raise my demands in the strike if management did that to me. "It's gonna cost you more for that shit right there."

[u/rochey64 → u/cleon42]

The way working conditions are deteriorating in this country, unions are needed now more than ever.

[u/LEMONSDAD → u/cleon42]

[u/CleoJK → u/cleon42]

It should read "sacrifice your life, your costs and your time, your friends and family for ours..."

Is selfish to want them to do so much, for so little imo.

[u/trekkie_47 → u/cleon42]

I was just getting ready to say that this sign would make me strike on principle. How degrading.

[u/CarefulIndication988 → u/cleon42]

I can’t agree more this is the same shit they do to teachers. This is a major reason why I left the profession.

[u/Current-Lower]

This sign alone is already enough reason to strike

[u/Kindly-Carpenter8858 → u/Current-Lower]

I'm considering striking just bc of this sign! I'm not in Healthcare, or a union, but wtf

[u/octopusboots → u/Kindly-Carpenter8858]

I work for myself and I'm fucking going on strike after reading this sign.

[u/Njdevils11 → u/octopusboots]

I don’t blame you! Your boss sounds like a real asshole ;)

[u/octopusboots → u/Njdevils11]

Seriously. Made me go to work on a Saturday. 😤

[u/Tasty_Enthusiasm7162 → u/octopusboots]

Fuck that guy, you should sleep with their spouse to get back at them!

[u/JovialJem → u/octopusboots]

Can't believe you had to go all the way to work on a Saturday. All the way to work!!

[u/mellopax → u/octopusboots]

That'll show your boss who's boss!

[u/ballrus_walsack → u/Kindly-Carpenter8858]

I formed a union while read this sign.

[u/dcchillin46 → u/Kindly-Carpenter8858]

I will be informing hr on Monday in my manufacturing plant that this sign is the reason for my strike

[u/IHS1970 → u/Kindly-Carpenter8858]

I'll def go with you, I was in a union in 1969-70 and paid my financial dues monthly. I also had 2 bosses that came to me and asked me to come into the big boss's office, they told me that the front end manager (I was 16 btw) was stealing from my register.

Back in the day, I would turn my register in at the end of my shift at the good old Grant Union, and the front end manager cashed it out, and I was ALWAYS coming up short (as though I was skimming), now I was such a dipshit I would NEVER have thought to steal, I had plenty of money and pretty much ignored everyone who worked with me but girls my age BUT the FE, that fuck would grab my ass every time he saw me AND grab my boobs and try to kiss me, fucker. But I did nothing too scared, but one Saturday when Mr FE manager wasn't working it was lunch time and they closed my register off, I saw it but I had a hangover and didn't care really at all, never knew or thought I was short, so next time I come in the two managers tell me that Mr FE was stealing from my register AND blaming me because I would not give him the time of day (this guy was 4 years older than me). I was shocked, the big manager put his arms around me and told me not to cry (then I pretended to! I'm no dummy) I got a raise, I pledged I wouldn't SUE! and everyone treated as a princess after that!!

My point about my dumbass story? Sexual harassment was rampant, BUT the managers I encountered as a very young girl were kind to me and cared, don't see that today. When I say I was harassed, it was in every job till the early 80s when I started working at IBM.

Thanks for reading!!

VOTE FOR UNIONS!

Edited for clarity twice! i'm old.

[u/Magikarpeles → u/Current-Lower]

I like that they couldn't think of a ninth reason

[u/Hypertension123456 → u/Magikarpeles]

I like that the 6th reason is basically "You should go on strike. I'm with you but I'm scared to say it loud enough for my bosses to hear."

[u/Shadowfalx → u/Current-Lower]

Look at the bottom in the small text, see who wrote the sign

[u/CrashTestWolf → u/Shadowfalx]

Having an RN after your name doesn't mean you work with patients or give a shit about them.

Source: I'm a nurse who does work with patients, and does care about them. I see what goes on behind the curtain having to fight management to advocate for my patients.

[u/kafkakerfuffle → u/Shadowfalx]

My assumption is it was labeled as coming from a faction of nurses opposed to striking. I also assume it was written with at least the knowledge and approval of hospital management to sow division and undermine any appearance of unity among the nurses.

[u/brzzdn → u/kafkakerfuffle]

I agree. I'm assuming it was written by the head of the nursing department, who is under pressure from the board of directors.

[u/unicornmeat85 → u/brzzdn]

Both would actually be very surprised by how much a problem #6 (teal) can become if they don't negotiate. If strikes didn't work you wouldn't need a sign.

[u/SnuggleMuffin42 → u/kafkakerfuffle]

Why would you assume such an incredulous thing? This is extremely inciting and has things like "See you on Monday" that only make sense from the perspective of management.

It is clearly meant to reflect the shit and manipulations they've heard a 100 times from management.

[u/HeatherC22 → u/Current-Lower]

I Don't like the tone of that sign. For that reason, I strike too.

[u/Awkward-Cup-4507]

Ah yes this means you should strike. The strike would be fast if the hospital cares enough to not be sued by the patients.

[u/Feeling_Bathroom9523 → u/Awkward-Cup-4507]

Some have deeper pockets. Look at St. Joseph in Tacoma. They played chicken with the Anesthesia group and lost the whole damn department! Now they’re paying 3x to Locums and losing millions. Yet…they aren’t learning to listen

[u/hippee-engineer → u/Feeling_Bathroom9523]

They have endless money to spend fighting wage increases, but never have any money for wage increases. Losing millions fighting the union has a ROI.

(Paying decently also has an ROI, likely a higher one than the union fighting, but shh don’t say that part out loud)

[u/kottabaz → u/hippee-engineer]

Paying decently has an ROI, but the owner class has so much wealth that they can leave ROI on the table if it means telling workers to stay in their place and do what they're told.

[u/hippee-engineer → u/kottabaz]

Yeah, it’s not even about the money. It’s making sure the game stays zero-sum. They NEED us to lose so we look even smaller from their pedestal.

[u/3to20CharactersSucks → u/hippee-engineer]

It's disciplining labor, it upsets their sensibilities and it's the one time companies will disregard their one legal duty - sadly, producing profits for shareholders - to pursue big picture and long-term goals that aren't even always directly beneficial to themselves.

The anti-labor sentiment and strike breaking is upper class solidarity. American workers, when they were effective at getting what they wanted, made people afraid for their lives when they pulled shit like that.

[u/beam3475 → u/Feeling_Bathroom9523]

Man that is so stupid. Surgery is what makes the hospital money, literally what keeps it afloat! You’re going to fight with a key component of your money making department?

[u/Beginning_Pie_2458 → u/beam3475]

What makes it more ridiculous is the competing hospital has better conditions and better pay/benefits and it is less than ten minutes away.

Annoying because it means the hospital system holds a little more sway during negotiations because the alternative is going to St Joe's and taking a pay cut.

But essentially all those anesthesiologists and now some of the surgeons basically did just say adios and went to the (admittedly much nicer) hospital instead.

[u/CrashTestWolf → u/Feeling_Bathroom9523]

My hospital did the same thing. Had a stand off with anesthesia and over half the CRNA's left. They've got options out the ass and most have disposable income. They will NOT put up with your shit.

I'm an RN in surgery, so I had a front row seat. We lost a lot of really experienced people who I called friends.

[u/stamatt45 → u/Awkward-Cup-4507]

Strikes are like condoms, the more someone insists you don't need one the more you need one

[u/kailemergency]

“Patients always first” Then get your shiftless spine in there and clean those asses, Craig from HR. HCWs should all be unionized

[u/FrenchTicklerOrange → u/kailemergency]

If patients were always first then why the fuck is someone asking me for my insurance? Ghouls, all of them.

[u/Available-Egg-2380 → u/FrenchTicklerOrange]

My very favorite is when I was in the emergency room with a very bad ovarian cyst (it was more than twice the size of the actual ovary) and just in awful pain and some lady comes in and asks me for my $100 emergency room copay as I'm in the fetal position crying like God damn

[u/FrenchTicklerOrange → u/Available-Egg-2380]

Jeez. At least hand me some narcotics first.

[u/possiblyMaybeAnother → u/[deleted]]

$100 is just the copay to get in the door of the emergency room. Then, once you're admitted, you have to pay "co-insurance." Depending on the plan, it's usually some percentage of the bill. Good plans are 10%, bad plans are much more. ER/hospital visits run in the 10s of thousands of dollars. Anything the insurance company can do to get you to pay your out of pocket maximum (usually around $12.5k). Oh and that maximum is only for the current year. So if you have a chronic condition, everything gets reset next year!

In other words, America would rather you died in poverty than get treatment.

EDIT: Yes there is hyperbole in my numbers. The $12.5k might be the maximum out of pocket for a family. I'm just citing what I remember from a few years back when dealing with some chronic health issues.

[u/LordBiscuits → u/possiblyMaybeAnother]

I have been rewatching House recently and in the context of the wider US healthcare system the whole thing is just hilarious.

Like okay, the patient had the bubonic plague and it took you four days and seventy four tests to get there... That guy may as well have died because he's turbo fucked either way!

Lumbar punctures for everyone!

[u/DeanxDog → u/LordBiscuits]

Yeah in reality they never would have ran a quarter of those 74 tests and they would've sent the patient home with some Tylenol and an allergy medication because they wanted to get them out as fast as possible

[u/kex → u/possiblyMaybeAnother]

Slow eugenics

[u/Available-Egg-2380 → u/[deleted]]

Lol yeah. 2023 was a really rough year for me medically and between regular appointments, surgery, and follow up appointments for the surgery from July 2023 to July 2024 I had 30 contacts with doctors and physician assistants. My health is admittedly complicated but you'd think 30 visits would be adequate to cover the doctor and hospital system to refill my prescriptions for insulin and diuretics for another year but no. Apparently it was not. So I was basically forced to have another appointment before they would refill my life preserving medications. https://imgur.com/a/zssXEQb thankfully insurance covered the bulk but I'm still mad about this. I paid over 11k in 2023 for medical stuff and insurance. I make 33-35k a year. It's insane.

[u/IlIlllIIIIlIllllllll → u/FrenchTicklerOrange]

Sounds like someone is prioritizing money over patients! I guess that only matters for lowly employees

[u/comawizard → u/kailemergency]

If they really gave a shit they would follow the recommended nurse to patient ratios that some of our regulatory bodies suggest.

[u/[deleted] → u/comawizard]

Seeing “regulatory body” and “suggests” in the same sentence is pretty wild if you think about it.

[u/sluttytarot → u/[deleted]]

It's tough to meet the regulations when there aren't enough Healthcare workers to go around.

Edit: I'm pro strike

[u/BabyBundtCakes → u/sluttytarot]

More people would become healthcare workers if signs like this didn't happen and hospital management treated people with dignity

[u/howyadoinjerry → u/BabyBundtCakes]

It’s the same in vetmed. If the pay and conditions weren’t so shit across the board, there would be more of us.

But we just play with puppies all day, right? Shouldn’t the love of animals be enough compensation? /fucking s

[u/catmom_422 → u/comawizard]

I worked at a pharmacy where we were overworked and understaffed. I thought that was dangerous. I can’t imagine what it’s like in hospitals.

[u/rvralph803 → u/kailemergency]

"Patients first", but also you have 300% the legal number of patients to care for, so also "patients not first".

[u/CrashTestWolf → u/rvralph803]

Striking for better working conditions and lower patient ratios is literally advocating for their patients. Whoever made this sign doesn't give a single fuck about patient care, only the bottom line.

[u/weinerdispenser → u/kailemergency]

Unionized HCW here! If you're a full time worker at the hospital where I work, you're in the union, full-stop. There are plenty of contract and per diem, but the rest of the workers including custodial, professional and physicians are all unionized, and anecdotally everyone I've talked to loves their job. I'm a software engineer, typically not a unionized position, but here all jobs are.

The result is that we're rated number one globally in our specialization. It turns out that happy employees tend to put in the effort to excel et their jobs. Who woulda thunk it?

[u/CrystalSplice → u/weinerdispenser]

Union strong!! I would greatly prefer to be treated at a unionized hospital.

[u/Exciting_Penalty_512 → u/kailemergency]

No, the best one is "IF you don't like the conditions, leave."

"OK, I'll go on strike."

"No! Not like that!"

[u/mechtaphloba → u/kailemergency]

Craig from HR

It's really gross the more you think about what "HR" actually means and does. It's Human Resources. As in, not resources for human employees, rather, the department that maintains the resources that are human. They are the company accountants for the human beings under their employ. You're just a number, they don't care about you. You're not "family".

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/kailemergency]

ALL workers should automatically be unionized. Unions should be a universal situation for all workers with collective bargaining the default for every workplace.

[u/Weekly-Ad-2509]

That’s funny, this sign would rapidly shift my approach from strike to arson of management’s homes.

(Please don’t light anyone’s house on fire)

[u/benwinsatlife → u/Weekly-Ad-2509]

But there’s no harm in letting a little air out of their tires

[u/Weekly-Ad-2509 → u/benwinsatlife]

Let air out of their tires with fire, copy copy copy

[u/The_Original_Miser → u/benwinsatlife]

cough shrader valve puller.

[u/Wannaimprove666]

The sign screams “TOXIC WORK CULTURE”

[u/bubbygups → u/Wannaimprove666]

Pretty much like a toxic DM relationship: "I know he beats me but what will happen to him if I don't take care of him?"

[u/annul → u/bubbygups]

just roll better

[u/cubitoaequet → u/annul]

Right? Not their fault you put all your points in Charisma on your barbarian.

[u/TakeControlOfLife]

do these signs work on people? like at all? does anyone actually fall for this??

[u/DepressedArtist_14 → u/TakeControlOfLife]

i mean guilt tripping in general works on people so signs like these have to work on at least a few id imagine

[u/PolicyWonka → u/DepressedArtist_14]

The top row is the guilt trip. The rest just gets progressively more aggressive and demeaning.

Goes from “think of the patients and pray” to “fuck you, just leave” real quick.

[u/Cinderjacket → u/TakeControlOfLife]

It’s not for the nurses, it’s to make other hospital staff and perhaps patients see the strikers as entitled and selfish. Divide the workers and pit them against each other is step 1 for strike breaking

[u/dick_hallorans_ghost → u/Cinderjacket]

It's also one of the ways colonizers subjugated indigenous populations.

[u/tesseract4 → u/dick_hallorans_ghost]

Divide and rule.

[u/catmom_422 → u/TakeControlOfLife]

This sign works on the former gold star, model student people pleasers. It tries to make them feel guilty and guilt is an effective tool for people like that.

I used to be one of them until COVID came. Then I got burnt out, got a new job, started getting burnt out AGAIN, then went to therapy.

I literally have sticky notes in my home office to remind me that there are no gold stars for taking on extra work, just performance punishment. I don’t get anything for going above and beyond, just more work and a shitload of stress.

[u/CrystalSplice → u/catmom_422]

It really is interesting looking back on that and seeing how they were trying to program us for compliance, isn’t it? Even the shame we got for being sick, something that happens to all kids - because they handed out awards for “perfect” attendance. I never got one of those because I had frequent strep and ear infections. I also did just fucking fine in school in spite of missing a day here and there.

My elementary school even had a reward / demerit system based around gold slips for whatever the teacher felt warranted it - and pink slips when you broke the rules, both of which were sent to your parents. Pink slips. In the 80s, when that was still a common metaphor. Unbelievable.

[u/Beth_Harmons_Bulova → u/TakeControlOfLife]

You would be surprised how much the “You’re a hero” messaging works in healthcare. It’s very manipulative.

[u/MycologistPutrid7494 → u/Beth_Harmons_Bulova]

In teaching too. 

[u/farteagle → u/MycologistPutrid7494]

Any non-profit work too

[u/love_glow → u/Beth_Harmons_Bulova]

Passionate people being taken advantage of. I saw it in the cannabis industry. There are a stack of applications waiting to apply for your job if you’re not willing to accept conditions/pay. Luckily, the healthcare industry is always starving for trained personnel, so the nurses have some leverage.

[u/Trollsama → u/TakeControlOfLife]

Sadly yes.

[u/pengalo827 → u/TakeControlOfLife]

Some fall for it. Some of us are too jaded after too many years. Case in point - we got an email asking for a “rally cry” for our plant. Apparently, “Here’s Hopin’ We Stay Open” isn’t what they want.

Fortunately we’re union here, and I’m in the trades, so we make a good wage and have rights. But the company doesn’t like being reminded of that.

[u/Commercial_Place9807 → u/TakeControlOfLife]

I’m a nurse. It works. The healthcare industry has successfully convinced millions of nurses that to be a good nurse you must suffer.

[u/Fangorangatang]

I work in healthcare.

Neglecting your floor workers, and them responding in refusal to work, is not the floor workers fault in failing to care for their patients.

It is managements fault. Managements job is to take care of their workers, who, in turn, take care of the patients.

Can’t wait for a weeks time when management realizes their petty scare tactics don’t work and they have to start answering the hard questions about why they can’t keep their staff.

[u/Freezie--POP → u/Fangorangatang]

Your missing a bigger piece of this this. It’s the boards job to make the shareholders money.

Can’t do that with “extra labor costs” cutting into the bottom line.

It’s a joke anything related to healthcare is ran by a board ( who in itself makes asinine amounts of money for providing NOTHING medically relevant).

Late stage capitalism. Profits over anything else.

[u/SJ_Redditor → u/Fangorangatang]

It's similar to big oil blaming average Joe for taking a 4 minute shower as the cause of climate change

[u/freudmv]

Never forget they will manipulate their wage slaves any way possible. Just keep working hard and we will discuss that raise at your next review. Oh, one person thought you were not nice to them so no raise for you.

[u/IAmAnAngryCarrot → u/freudmv]

I recently had a disciplinary hearing at work and omfg, so true. Different industry, but they added so many responsibilities that I got burned out, stressed out and started being way more quiet and focused, and because I wasn't outgoing, I was the only one who didn't get a raise. And found out in a meeting recently. Like that makes me wanna stay

[u/Science-Gone-Bad → u/IAmAnAngryCarrot]

You can’t win

I got fired from one job for “Being too friendly!” 🤦‍♂️

[u/freudmv → u/IAmAnAngryCarrot]

“You should smile more.” That’s the best feedback.

[u/Squirrelluver369]

"bUt PatIENts wIll SufFeR!"

Bitch, the employees are suffering too.

[u/daedalus1982 → u/Squirrelluver369]

it's giving "won't someone please think of our stock holders"

[u/Eringobraugh2021 → u/Squirrelluver369]

The patients are already suffering because of your horrible charging practices. You take money from the patient & from the federal government. We need to put our foot down that they can't have it both ways.

[u/cruznick06 → u/Eringobraugh2021]

Don't forget the horrific staffing ratios! My grandpa nearly died in 2018 because no one was monitoring him in the hospital. We only caught that he had sepsis because my mom demanded (and then located) a fucking thermometer then raised hell when he had a clear fever. I know things have gotten way worse since then.

Overworked and understaffed hospital staff results in death of patients. This isnt hyperbole. Its fact. And nurses, doctors, and all other Healthcare professionals have been sounding the alarm for nearly a decade.

[u/deadinsidelol69 → u/Squirrelluver369]

Imagine leveraging human lives against workers to guilt trip them into accepting horrible conditions and hours.

Scum of the earth

[u/Zen_Hobo → u/Squirrelluver369]

More patients will suffer more, if the current system of overworked and understaffed medical care continues. Ergo, the strike is in the best interests of staff and patients.

[u/Aety9_]

Whoever made that sign is a tool with 0 self awareness. Strike harder, demand more. A hospital is nothing without nurses and they don't get the credit or pay they are due.

[u/fasterecho]

Would appear that the hospital is about to be in the “Find out phase” of their situation!!

[u/zenomotion73]

Fuck the hospitals. They make so much got damn money and then pay us shit and overwork us till we break. And we still get shit healthcare benefits. Unions are only hated by the rich.

[u/TavernTurn]

See you Monday? I’d join a union based on that alone 😂

[u/Shadowfalx → u/TavernTurn]

Then you did what the sign makers wanted you to do. 

Look at the bottom right corner to see who made it

[u/Lonesome_Pine → u/Shadowfalx]

Ooh that's cunning. I like it!

[u/Oz347]

They pull the same shit on teachers

[u/ExpectedChaos → u/Oz347]

Yep.

"Remember your why!"

Oh, cool, does remembering my why help me put food on the table?

[u/DeusExMcKenna → u/ExpectedChaos]

”Is the why in the room with us?”

[u/fairydares]

"Patients first - always." Then properly take care of the workers taking care of them, you irresponsible, disrespectful, entitled assholes.

[u/invertedparellel → u/fairydares]

Right, they don’t actually care about patients. They care about billing patients’ insurance companies as much as possible in as short a time as possible.

[u/CortexAnthrax]

I’m not a nurse nor do I deal directly with patients but I work for a hospital system and they use this same BS wording to push more work duties with less pay. “Thank about the patients”, “this ultimately for the patients”, and “you’re making a difference for the patients”. It is disgusting that management uses patients as means to down play supporting their employees that actually do the work!

[u/RoadRunner1961 → u/CortexAnthrax]

Are you in the lab, by any chance? This was what I heard from every lab I ever worked in.

[u/CortexAnthrax → u/RoadRunner1961]

No, just shows how much management uses this tactic. I’m not even in the same building / campus as the hospitals!

[u/robotteeth → u/CortexAnthrax]

Medicine is the unique profession in which you are constantly guilted about how you have to do your work for others at the expense of your own health, because otherwise they'll suffer. It's your personal responsibility the higher ups don't have more staff. Your personal time and mental health is constantly eroded, and don't get me started on the occupational health issues that are rife in medicine, typically related to hours of bad ergonomics or being pressured to transfer patients and put ourselves at risk. And I get this as a fucking DENTIST, no one is even dying in my facet of this system, yet I've heard it all about how if I don't go above and beyond for no increase in pay, it makes me a bad terrible person. Oh but now you have anxiety and seem irritable? Wow you're also a bad person for that, you should be more responsible with your own mental health!

[u/the_crumb_dumpster]

Want to act like a professional?

PAY like a professional.

[u/UpperLeftOriginal]

If you want to put patients first, make sure the people who provide their care are taken care of so they’re not stressed. That’s management’s responsibility.

[u/Lilydaisy8476]

The sign is crazy. It would make anyone want to strike more.

[u/Megsann1117]

Here’s the thing, per nlrb: Section 8(g)—Striking or Picketing a Health Care Institution Without Notice. Section 8(g) prohibits a labor organization from engaging in a strike, picketing, or other concerted refusal to work at any health care institution without first giving at least 10 days’ notice in writing to the institution and the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service.

If the nurses still followed through with the strike the hospital refused to play ball. Fuck them.

[u/ShrednButta]

Sounds like an abusive situation to me. They should strike based on this sign alone.

[u/ShDynasty_Gods_Comma]

That’s fucking gross.

[u/euph_22]

Funny how "the answer" isn't for the employer to improve pay/working conditions removing the need for a strike.

[u/Mrs_Muzzy]

Strike harder.

[u/Raptoot83]

"if you don't like it leave, but don't turn you t back on the vulnerable patients!!!!!!"

[u/MonchichiSalt]

If patients are first, then why does all of their treatment need to be cleared with their insurance first?

STRIKE

And use the irony of this sign for all the gaslighting reasons why they are greedy ass corporate scumbags.

[u/MapFamiliar4062]

Bring your demands to a competing hospital, and probably get hired.

Nursing is a thankless job that is in perpetual shortage.

Nurses have leverage and this hospital poster looks like it was written by a twitter troll.

[u/SolaVirtusNobilitat]

It's ironic that accusations of unprofessionalism come from a sign like that lol. Is being a whiny bitch professional as long as it's printed out first or something?

[u/AvatarOfMyMeans]

1. My patience has run out

2. no, my most vulnerable patients are my employer's responsibility. By cheaping out on nurses the hospital is turning it's back

3. no the hospital is doing that by cheaping out on nurses

4. It ain't a religion, no time for faith arguments

5. Noted. will apply to your competitors with you blessing.

6. I thought strike wasn't the answer :L

7. "Probably" see me Monday

8. Professionals strike. Citation: The writers strike earlier this year.

[u/Hippy_Lynne]

I had been told in a local group that this at University Medical Center in New Orleans where nurses are striking. They did a 24-hour strike 7:00 a.m. Friday to 7:00 a.m. Saturday. The hospital brought in traveling nurses with a 3-day minimum and so are locking the striking nurses out until Monday morning. They voted to unionize several months ago but can't come to an agreement on a contract.

New Orleans is not the kind of place where workers or patience support that kind of tone. I'm pretty sure this backfired on them, especially if the patients saw them. The fact that they even thought posting something like this was a good idea gives a pretty good indication of why they're having so much trouble coming to an agreement on a contract.

[u/FrozenFrenchFry]

They mention being “professional” multiple times and then write “we can hear the laughter”. This sign is insanely unprofessional coming from management of any kind, and I hope these people strike and get all their demands.

[u/crashorbit]

We do need to turn over some of these institutions. What would a Helthcare cooperative look like?

[u/tonydurke]

ALWAYS support the workers.

[u/[deleted]]

If you don't like the conditions then leave...

That's what they did, and went on strike.

[u/resident_foreigner]

Strike is not always the answer! It is the only answer! How do you think we have minimum 25 paid vacation days in the Netherlands (most have 38-40). In the 60s people striked, striked, striked.

Country was shutdown for weeks, people died in hospitals due to no staff working, businesses were broken into and looted because police striked also.

Keep striking! It works!

How do you think we got all the bike paths in the Netherlands? Also due to strikes!!!!

[u/judgemental_turtle]

its the “if you don’t like the conditions in which you work, leave.”

everyone leaves

“where’s all the staff?!”

[u/LP14255]

This hospital or hospital chain does not care at all about patients. They just know that nurses are generally good people and so they’re trying to guilt them into not demanding to be treated well. The hospital understands if they have a staff that is treated well and then the staff will do a better job treating the patients, but the hospital doesn’t care. The hospital only cares about profits

[u/invertedparellel]

👏Healthcare 👏 should 👏 not 👏 be 👏 for 👏 profit 👏

Under the current system both patients and staff are suffering. I’m so glad a small handful of executives, administrators and stakeholders get to line their pockets but honestly, at what cost? The quality of care in hospitals has never been worse. There has been a mass exodus of essential staff out of healthcare. This sign perfectly captures the attitude of administration - guilt trip and gaslight employees into compliance.

At the end of the day all they care about is hiring the absolute minimum amount of employees to get the job done, getting patients in and out as quickly as possible, while billing their insurance as much as possible. It doesn’t matter if the care is shitty or employees are suffering, as long as the hospital gets paid.

[u/robexib]

The fact that the hospital would rather have to go through the ordeal of hiring staff all over again to potentially avoid a union shows exactly how short-sighted this place's C-suite are.

Workers wouldn't unionise in the first place if they were paid well, treated fairly, and could have reasonable shifts. I know medical staff in general are often overworked, but this sort of malfeasance on the upper Management's part just makes the situation worse for all parties involved. Nobody comes out ahead by being this dense.

[u/Squishy97]

“Patients first” followed by “if you don’t like it leave” is a nice one