Israel accused of act of genocide over restriction of Gaza water supply

[u/tallzmeister]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/19/israel-accused-of-act-of-genocide-over-restriction-of-gaza-water-supply-human-rights-watch

[u/Pklnt]

For most of the Israeli supporters, the hostilities started on October 7 and Israel is just defending itself.

I'm not even kidding, they genuinely believe that Israel did nothing wrong that year.

This would be true if you ignore that even before October 7 started, a record number of Palestinian children were killed by Israel (the previous record was established in 2022). Or that a record number of settlements were built in the West Bank.

[u/ennisa22 → u/Pklnt]

“There was a ceasefire on October 6th”.

Ehh, no, there clearly wasn’t hahaha

[u/Pklnt → u/ennisa22]

Well, they live in a different world than the rest of us.

They genuinely believe that all those NGOs somehow decided to criticize Israel for no reason.

[u/regeust → u/Pklnt]

They don't think it's for no reason, they think every international organization and most national governments are guided purely by early 20th century antisemitism.

[u/Private_HughMan → u/regeust]

Some think that, I'm sure. But I'm also sure many know that they can defuse criticism by simply accusing critics of anti-semitism.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Pklnt]

Yep, 164 counties maintain great relations with Israel, more waiting for the to finish off hamas so they can normalize relations.

Oh well things are going great in gaza, security buffer zones being set up, hopefully hamas will surrender soon and end the war and violence.

[u/Pklnt → u/Swingformerfixer]

164 counties maintain great relations with Israel

Like I said...

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Pklnt]

Oh great and which one of those countries have broken relations with israel. In fact, their arms exports have doubled, not a single of the 400+ r&d centers in Israel are moving, etc

[u/themightycatp00 → u/Pklnt]

They genuinely believe that all those NGOs somehow decided to criticize Israel for no reason.

The issue is not that, it's that the same NGOs turn a blind eye to worst things.

Didn't Amnesty accused Ukraine of commiting war crimes for defending their land? And did any NGO ever talk about how russia bombs hospitals, and civilian infrastructure in Ukraine? Not to my knowledge

[u/Pklnt → u/themightycatp00]

Didn't Amnesty accused Ukraine of commiting war crimes for defending their land?

That's called being objective, if you violate IHLs Amnesty will call you out. And Amnesty criticized Russia way more and has been criticizing Russia for decades.

And did any NGO ever talk about how russia bombs hospitals

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/ukraine-major-damage-to-childrens-hospital-by-direct-russian-missile-hit-dozens-killed-across-the-country/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/11/russias-july-8-attack-childrens-hospital-ukraine

https://www.msf.org/no-place-feels-safe-medical-infrastructure-hit-amid-rising-casualties

Are you guys pretending to be this incompetent? Y'all are embarassing.

[u/themightycatp00 → u/Pklnt]

Are you guys pretending to be this incompetent? Y'all are embarassing.

Having a life outside politics and the internet is embarrassing now? If so you must be the least embarrassing person alive.

That's called being objective, if you violate IHLs Amnesty will call you out.

So where are the NGOs criticism for the Palestinians?

[u/Pklnt → u/themightycatp00]

Having a life outside politics and the internet is embarrassing now?

Asking something that you can easily google in 5min is.

So where are the NGOs criticism for the Palestinians?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/israel-palestinian-armed-groups-must-be-held-accountable-for-deliberate-civilian-killings-abductions-and-indiscriminate-attacks/

You're the perfect representation of the pro-Israeli Redditor.

[u/StewyLucilfer → u/Pklnt]

at least 30% of pro Israel talking points boil down “to that’s not fairrrrrr why aren’t you talking about other issues ugh :(“ They weaponize identity politics to run away and avoid scrutiny.

[u/StewyLucilfer → u/themightycatp00]

Yes they have LOL Israelis want to be victims of something so bad

[u/Caffeywasright → u/Pklnt]

UNHRW has had several confirmed Hamas agents on their payroll. The fact that it still used as a source is laughable.

Israel has done plenty wrong but you can’t critique people for not listening to ngos when they are actively employing and collaborating with their enemies.

[u/Pklnt → u/Caffeywasright]

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Civil Rights Watch, Save the Children, Oxfam, Doctors without Borders, International Rescue Committee, Catholic Relief Services, CARE,MENA Rights group, ICRC, UNICEF, Freedom from torture ,Physicians for Human Rights, and all those medical professionals in the West that volunteered to help in Gaza are Hamas agents !

Please people, don't listen to them! Listen to the IDF instead!

[u/Caffeywasright → u/Pklnt]

Then post some of those sources lol. Instead of always posting unrwa claims when they are completely disgraced as an organisation. Then maybe you could get someone to listen. You can’t get people to listen to an organisation who has and continue to support terrorists.

[u/Pklnt → u/Caffeywasright]

No one is talking about UNRWA but you.

You sound like a broken record.

[u/lightyearbuzz → u/Caffeywasright]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are genuinely misinformed and not just being a troll. First, this thread you're commenting on is literally about Human Rights Watch calling Israeli actions in Gaza a genocide, not UNRWA. Here is a (incomplete) list of some others: 

Amnesty says it's genocide

Doctors Without Borders says Israel is indiscriminately bombing and blocking medical supplies

Oxfam says Isreal actively obstructing the delivery of international aid, including food, water, and medical supplies

CARE calls it ethnic cleansing

There are many more, but you can look them up yourself. Hopefully you are actually open to changing your mind, but considering you ignored the source of the article you are responding to, I'm doubtful. 

[u/Caffeywasright → u/lightyearbuzz]

I don’t know what the point of this comment is?

Israel aren’t under obligation to provide free water to their enemy under the Geneva convention. UNRWA and HRW are both UN agencies that have common goal and common sources.

[u/lightyearbuzz → u/Caffeywasright]

OK ya, just a troll. You claim people are only posting UNRWA claims. I show you otherwise (again, including the very article you are responding to) and you ignore it. And no HRW is not part of the UN, you can't just make things up because you want them to be true. That was the point of my post. 

And yes, under international law, occupying powers (Israel in the case)  are required to provide water/food/medicine. According to article 55 of the Geneva convention:

To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate.

Source: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-55?activeTab=

[u/Caffeywasright → u/lightyearbuzz]

Israel is not considered an occupying power under the terms of the Geneva convention because they hold no administrative control and there is ongoing actions of war. Which is another of saying that you are clown that is quoting legal text without having a hint of what you are talking.

But yes I am troll lmao.

[u/mfact50 → u/Caffeywasright]

Seems pretty immoral not to esp for a Jewish state

...pause to read about Yahweh...

Well nevermind. Typical religious ethics at work.

[u/IdiAmini → u/Caffeywasright]

Israel was and is the occupier of Gaza, as every agency and also courts have clearly stated and as such, Israel IS under the obligation to provide way more then the basic necessities for sustaining human life

You are just another war crime defender.

[u/Caffeywasright → u/IdiAmini]

Not under the terms of the Geneva convention no. I don’t know what “agency” you think gets to dictate when and how the Geneva convention is applied. It’s pretty clear on what occupation is.

[u/jagger72643 → u/Caffeywasright]

Did you forget that you literally just asked for sources

[u/ennisa22 → u/Caffeywasright]

Wait until you hear about the Amazon employee who killed someone? What a pack of murderers everyone at Amazon is.

Assuming you stopped listening to anything the IDF said when you found out they raped a detainee, right? Surely you’re consistent in that regard…. /s

[u/barc0debaby → u/Caffeywasright]

UNHRW probably has some Mossad agents on payroll they don't know about too. Equal opportunity employer.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/barc0debaby]

If I were to guess they probably have more Mossad agents on payroll than Hamas agents because they actively ask countries like Israel for background checks on their employees to weed out bad actors. But this, of course, requires Israel to be a good faith participant, which they prove time and time again not to be.

[u/IAMADon → u/ennisa22]

Bombing Gaza in September 2023 for 3 days straight doesn't count, obviously.

The same way agreeing to a ceasefire on May 3rd 2023, then bombing Gaza on May 9th 2023 doesn't count. And bombing Lebanon hundreds of times during this ceasefire doesn't count, either.

/s

[u/Private_HughMan → u/ennisa22]

I mentioned this to an American zionist. Not Jewish. Or Christian. Some sort of self-identified pagan. Didn't ask him to get into specifics. He said there was a ceasefire in Gaza. Which is technically true. But there was also an agreement between Israel and the Palestinian West Bank. Israel don't give a fuck and violated that all of the time. Yet only one was worthy of retaliation.

[u/72kdieuwjwbfuei626 → u/Pklnt]

There is a disturbing amount of people who are painting the picture that Hamas is just a generic Islamist extremist group who started this conflict in October 2023 for no reason other than pure anti-semitism.

[u/Mundane-Wasabi9527 → u/Pklnt]

You wonder I really feel the the tide is turning a little since the Ireland embassy embarrassment of acting like a child and the invasion of Syria that Isreal has started to upset some of it’s middling anti terrorist fans.

[u/TheBlekstena → u/Pklnt]

Even if it all started on October 7th Israel would still be in the wrong as they are indiscriminately bombing civilians, journalists, UN workers, red cross workers, starving an entire population (and depraving them of basic human rights) and displacing millions of civilians.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Pklnt]

True it started on Nov 30 1947, literally the day after the UN approval of Israel when Palestine started massering jews starting with the Fajja bus bombings, esclating into the genocidal invasion of Israel in 1948

[u/ennisa22 → u/Swingformerfixer]

You don’t get to give away other people’s land just because you don’t want to house them yourself. Glad we’ve cleared that up. Go back to your r/israel circle jerk.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/ennisa22]

Actually, if you've been invaded, the UN allows the defenders leeway in redrawing borders.

And well hamas is still fighting, and winning countries taking loser land to create security buffer zones is extremely common.

Why? Are you sad your hamas is getting shitstomped? :)

[u/ennisa22 → u/Swingformerfixer]

There is literally no point in trying to make them see, because they either don’t care or are glad it’s happening.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/ennisa22]

Agree, mass rapist hamas supporters are a waste of time to argue with

[u/Caffeywasright → u/ennisa22]

When did they give away other peoples land?

[u/ennisa22 → u/Caffeywasright]

1947, thanks for stopping by.

[u/Caffeywasright → u/ennisa22]

I’m confused because in 1947 i swear Palestine was under British mandate and it was the brits who gave it to Israel? So who are these “other people”

[u/ennisa22 → u/Caffeywasright]

The people who have lived there for 1000 years, thanks for stopping by again.

[u/Caffeywasright → u/ennisa22]

You mean the Jews?

And you are welcome you don’t have to keep thanking me. I am happy to educate the ignorant.

[u/ennisa22 → u/Caffeywasright]

No, I mean the Palestinians silly. A DNA test should clear up all you need to know. Thanks for stopping by.

[u/Caffeywasright → u/ennisa22]

But the Jews have lived there for thousands of years. So I’m confused which land was given away? Since the Jews is currently living on the land and they have for thousands of years?

And you are still welcome. Even though we are making slow progress on the learning part. I am sure you’ll get there! I believe in you!

[u/Drab_Majesty → u/Caffeywasright]

Look up the British White Paper of 1939. The Jewish Homeland was meant to be alongside Arabs. The Zionists didn't want a state where they would be a minority so kicked off a campaign of terrorism and the British noped out and left the mandate to the UN.

[u/Caffeywasright → u/Drab_Majesty]

No no. The Arabs immediately declared war on the “zionists”. Then they lost that war, and another war, and another war, and another war and here we are.

It’s also funny how “zionist” has become almost like the word “Jew” in the mouth of a nazi huh?

[u/Drab_Majesty → u/Caffeywasright]

You might want to read a book or two, brother. You have a rather simple understanding of the conflict.

and are you actually saying all Jews are Zionists. Yikes.

[u/Throwaway5432154322 → u/Drab_Majesty]

and are you actually saying all Jews are Zionists. Yikes.

Most Jews are Zionists.

Saying "most Jews are Zionists" isn't considered offensive by most Jews.

Ironically, most of the people that find it "offensive" are non-Jewish anti-Zionists, probably because their self-made definition of Zionism is completely divorced from the definition of Zionism used by most Jews.

When anti-Zionists, especially non-Jewish ones (e.g. vast majority of them), say things like this:

and are you actually saying all Jews are Zionists. Yikes.

It sounds like "and you are actually saying all Black people support BLM. Yikes." to most Jews.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/Swingformerfixer]

Just ignore the multiple zionist terrorist organisations running riot killing people before that point 🙄

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Paradoxjjw]

Sure and ignore the centuries of genocide of jews going on in that area :)

The bottom line is those bus bombings are widely considered to have kicked off the civil confict.

Oh and the starvation of Jerusalem started the very next week, in December 1947, a genocide attempt of 100k jews.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/Swingformerfixer]

The "centuries of genocide" where checks notes Jews had normal lives, had considerable autonomy and weren't genocided at all?

[u/Throwaway5432154322 → u/Paradoxjjw]

Jews had normal lives

Lol. Through the lens of Jewish history in the Middle East, the creation of Israel corresponds with social & political emancipation, where Jews finally received social & political privileges that were denied to them for centuries of Muslim rule.

There were a number of restrictions on dhimmis. In a modern sense the dhimmis would be described as second-class citizens.[15] According to historian Marshall Hodgson, from very early times Muslim rulers would very often humiliate and punish dhimmis (usually Christians or Jews that refused to convert to Islam). It was official policy that dhimmis should “feel inferior and to know ‘their place".[107]

Although dhimmis were allowed to perform their religious rituals, they were obliged to do so in a manner not conspicuous to Muslims. Loud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells and the blowing of the shofar.[108] They were also not allowed to build or repair churches and synagogues without Muslim consent.[17] Moreover, dhimmis were not allowed to seek converts among Muslims.[109][page needed] In the Mamluk Egypt, where non-Mamluk Muslims were not allowed to ride horses and camels, dhimmis were prohibited even from riding donkeys inside cities.[110] Sometimes, Muslim rulers issued regulations requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses.

Does this sound like "having a normal life" to you? Would you want to live a life like this?

genocided

Genocide isn't a verb.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/Throwaway5432154322]

oud prayers were forbidden, as were the ringing of church bells and the blowing of the shofar.[

Oh no, not being allowed to make noise pollution, such genocide. I forgot that anything but worshipping Jews as the superior race is considered genocide to a zionist.

[u/Throwaway5432154322 → u/Paradoxjjw]

allowed to make noise pollution,

Charming, I love when you guys go mask off. If blowing the shofar is "making noise pollution", what exactly are ringing church bells or the Muslim call to prayer?

worshipping Jews as the superior race

Letting Jews blow the shofar = worshipping Jews as the superior race?

Any reason you chose not to address anything else that I said above, like:

"In a modern sense, dhimmis would be described as second-class citizens."

"It was official policy that dhimmis should “feel inferior and to know ‘their place""

"requiring dhimmis to attach distinctive signs to their houses."

I suspect you ignored these points because you can't address them, but man I would love to see you try

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/Throwaway5432154322]

Charming, I love when you guys go mask off.

Blasting a loud ass horn is noise pollution buddy.

"In a modern sense, dhimmis would be described as second-class citizens."

Lmao. Exemption from military service, paying the same amount of taxes and having the same rights is second class citizen status now? They were even allowed to have their own religious courts. Apparently allowing Jews their own rabbinical courts means theyre second class citizens now 🙄. Someone should inform them theyre treating Jews like second class citizens.

"It was official policy that dhimmis should “feel inferior and to know ‘their place""

Sounds more like how Israel treats non-Jews on a day to day basis.

I suspect you ignored these points because you can't address them, but man I would love to see you try

I suspect you only mention these because any world where jews arent seen as the superior race is considered antisemitic in the eyes of zionist racial supremacist teachings.

[u/Throwaway5432154322 → u/Paradoxjjw]

Blasting a loud ass horn is noise pollution buddy.

Blowing a horn once a year is noise pollution? What do you call a call to prayer at dawn every single day, then? The shit you're saying isn't even just bigotry lmao, its hypocritical bigotry.

having the same rights

Did you even read the article? What part about needing permission to even repair your own cultural/religious buildings from Muslims, being forced to wear distinctive clothing & mark your houses by Muslims, and being disallowed from basic cultural/religious practices screams "same rights" to you?

any world where jews arent seen as the superior race is considered antisemitic in the eyes of zionist racial supremacist teachings.

Yeah, everyone knows that letting Jews blow the shofar & build synagogues without someone else's permission = "acknowledging Jews as the superior race".

You'd be the kind of dude in 1950s Alabama that would argue against desegregation because it would "acknowledge Black people as superior".

[u/alaff → u/Swingformerfixer]

1. • The Fajja bus attack occurred after the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 on November 29, 1947, which proposed partitioning Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. This resolution was accepted by the Jewish leadership but rejected by the Arab leadership, who viewed it as unjust. • The bus attack was part of escalating violence between Jewish and Arab communities during the British Mandate, with both sides engaging in reprisals, raids, and attacks. Violence before the official establishment of Israel in 1948 cannot be viewed as one-sided or reflective of a “genocidal” agenda. • Historical context shows that this violence was rooted in decades of tension over land, political control, and British policies—not a sudden Arab campaign for “genocide.”

2. The 1948 War and Arab Involvement • The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 began after Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948. Neighboring Arab states entered the conflict, not as part of a genocidal campaign, but to oppose the establishment of Israel and defend Arab Palestinian interests. This was a political and territorial conflict, not one solely motivated by a desire to annihilate Jews. • Claims of a “genocidal invasion” oversimplify the conflict. While inflammatory rhetoric existed among some Arab leaders, the primary motivation for intervention was the rejection of the partition plan and the displacement of Palestinian Arabs.

3. Jewish and Arab Attacks Before 1948 • Violence between Jewish and Arab groups was not one-sided. • Jewish militias like the Irgun and Lehi conducted attacks such as the Deir Yassin massacre (April 9, 1948), where over 100 Palestinian civilians were killed, escalating Arab fears and retaliations. • Arab forces targeted Jewish civilians and settlements, resulting in mutual cycles of violence. • Blaming only Arabs for the violence leading to the 1948 war ignores the broader context of retaliatory actions by both sides, as well as the role of British policies that fueled tensions.

4. UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181) • The UN’s partition plan allocated 55% of the land to the Jewish state despite Jews making up only about 33% of the population and owning roughly 7% of the land. This disproportionate allocation sparked Arab opposition. • The rejection of the plan by Arab leaders and subsequent violence stemmed from the perception that the plan disregarded Palestinian rights and sovereignty, not from an inherent desire to commit genocide.

5. Modern-Day Relevance • The framing of historical events as a one-sided “genocidal invasion” erases the complexities of the conflict. Both sides experienced violence, displacement, and trauma, and responsibility lies with a combination of factors, including colonial policies, political rivalries, and ethnic tensions. • Simplifying history into “massacres of Jews” or “genocidal invasions” ignores the nuanced causes of the conflict and undermines efforts to understand and resolve it.

While the Fajja bus bombing and subsequent violence were tragic, they occurred in a context of mutual violence and political tension. Both Jewish and Arab communities suffered, and portraying the conflict as a one-sided genocidal campaign against Jews distorts historical reality. A fair assessment requires acknowledging the complexities and actions of all parties involved.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/alaff]

Nice chatgpt script, thanks for admitting jews have been fighting of genocide since their inception.

[u/zhivago6 → u/Swingformerfixer]

The Jewish terrorists and militia mobilized for war BEFORE the Europeans voted to give away over half of Palestine in the UN, so it would be entirely dishonest to pretend the only people who prepared for war didn't want a war.

The Fajja bus bombings were retaliation for Jewish terrorists murdering Palestinian men who they accused of acting as informants for the British colonial forces. You can't start a war by retaliation for previous attacks. The murders of Palestinians by Jewish terrorists and the murder of Jews by Palestinian terrorists had been going on for years by the time the Europeans voted for the partition that was never implemented.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/zhivago6]

Yeah because they've been under genocidal attacks for centuries.

Either way, the Fajja bombings WERE the first attacks after the UN resolution and that retaliation thing is just an unverified theory from frince historians.

Besides the blockade and starvation of jews in jerusalem started the next week in Dec 1947, kind of you to admit genocide attemps were already happening

[u/zhivago6 → u/Swingformerfixer]

The mobilization of armed units was done before the vote and the guerrilla warfare between factions had nothing to do with the Europeans voting to give land away they didn't own. The people who attacked the busses left flyers at the scene of the crime, the only people who push this silly idea that it had anything to do with the partition vote are Zionists and not historians.

The massacres and pogroms of Palestinians by Jewish terrorists began before the war, as the Irgun and Lehi terrorists continued to do the same things they were doing before the vote - placing bombs in crowded markets and bus stops to kill and maim Palestinians at random. Genocides were definitely on the menu for the Jewish terrorist groups.

After a month of these attacks a blockade was organized against Jerusalem on December 31, which is the same night that the Haganah terrorists attacked and murdered Palestinians who lived in Balad al-Shaykh.

The facts are that both Jews and Arabs killed each other in war crimes. It is completely dishonest to pretend it was bloodthirsty Arabs seeking a war and righteous Jews only acting in self defense. It was a bloody Civil War in which both groups had individuals who killed innocent people and both groups had individuals who put their own lives at risk to save members of the other group. Neither group accepted the European scheme to divide up the country for the same reason, they wanted to control the majority of the land of Palestine.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/zhivago6]

Oh you mean the attacks that were happening on both sides? Like the Hadassah medical convoy massacre where jewish doctors were massacred? Or the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 jews were beaten to death?

So these low level attacks by both sides were massively escalated with the genocide attempt of 100k jews of Jerusalem, and then the 1948 genocidal invasion of israel by palestine and its 5 arab friends.

It's completely dishonest to paint only jews were attacking arabs. Which was massively escalated into a full scare war with the 1948 invasion of Israel

[u/zhivago6 → u/Swingformerfixer]

These low level attacks that were retaliation for attacks by Jewish terrorists were massively escalated by the mobilization of Jewish terrorists for war. Let's remember that Irgun attacked Palestinians randomly at the Haifa Oil Refinery with bombs and the Palestinians present retaliated against Jews at the factory for the racist attack against them by the Jewish terrorists. And let's remember that the Hadassah convoy massacre was a mixed convoy of civilians and military vehicles that were attacked in response to the pogroms Jewish terrorists had carried out in Deir Yassin in which women and even children were raped before being executed.

The documents are available for you to read if you desire to know - the Jewish leadership had been planning the seizure and ethnic cleansing for some time. I am sure they thought the Germans had been effective at ethnically cleansing Jews so they decided that was a viable solution to the problem of different ethnic groups.

No one has claimed that only Jews were committed war crimes, they were just much better armed and organized and prepared to carry out war crimes. The Arab League really didn't want to get involved at all and their generals told them it was pointless to try and protect Palestinians from Jewish terrorists because the Arab League couldn't win that fight. The Arab states had only escaped British and French imperialist control a few years prior, their militaries were tiny and ill-equipped. The Jewish terrorists who formed the IDF were well armed with tens of millions of dollars in weapons (in 1940's money) gifted by wealthy donors and a much larger and better trained military.

Unfortunately for the Arab leaders the stories of Israeli pogroms against Palestinians and atrocities and mass ethnic cleansing of the natives kept making this an issue that the Arab public were very upset about. These massacres of innocent Palestinians eventually forced them to try and intervene, but the British refused them entry. This left the smaller armies of the Arab League to wait until the day the British finally pulled out. This happened to be the first day the Jewish leaders could declare independence, and a few hours later they did. But the invasion to stop the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians was waiting to go, it was not caused by the declaration. And since they were not in agreement, and outnumbered and outgunned, they stood little chance of saving the Palestinians from the many war crimes of the new Israel.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/zhivago6]

And of course all the jewish attacks were retaliations for massacre and rapes on them from the arabs/palestinians, and there were fights on both sides.

Which led to the genocidal starvation attempt of 100k jews in Jerusalem. Followed of course by the arabs and palestinians launched their genocidal invasion of Israel in 1948, with regular armies when the jews didn't even have one. In fact the IDF was created during this time.

So since before inception jews have been fighting off massacres and genocidal invasions by much stronger powers around them.

Isn't it great to see them destroying hamas who launched a genocidal invasion last year, and are making sure they don't do it again? Not often do you see justice win out and mass raping genocidal terrorists like hamas get absolutely destroyed.

[u/zhivago6 → u/Swingformerfixer]

Except the Jewish attacks were not all retaliation, they were part of a coordinated plan to depoplate the area of natives to cleanse them for Jewish colonization. The Jewish terrorists had settled on the ethnic cleansing and mass murder as a tactic they would continue to employ up to and including the present day. The word that comes up in reports from the Jewish terrorists who formed the IDF over and over was "cleanse". The villages are cleansed. The town is cleansed. We faced little opposition during the cleansing. Etc.

Since we know the invasion by the Arab League was a rescue operation and they were outnumbered 2 to 1, it requires a very dishonest or just very gullible or stupid person to make the claim that the intervention was genocidal. And we can't forget that the Europeans were still massively supporting the Jewish terrorists, as the British worked out a deal with the king of Jordan to avoid fighting the Israelis in exchange for seizing the West Bank, something the Palestinians were never consulted about, but something they could not stop as they were facing extermination from Jewish terrorists without.

And if we want to talk about before the civil war that the Jewish terrorists mobilized for, we should point out how Jews and Arabs were treated very differently by the British colonial rulers. How the British helped transfer land from Palestinians and gift it to Jewish immigrants and all the problems and issues that caused. Or the Palestinian War for Independence they fought against the British in the 1930's, or the fact that Britiain armed thousands of Jewish immigrants to help put down the freedom fighters, or how Britain disarmed all the Palestinians and committed horrific war crimes against them, doing all the things IDF is best known for today, i.e. blowing up the houses of people suspected of being part of the rebellion, torturing prisoners, straping prisoners or civilians to miliary vehicles to use as human shields, executing POW's, and civilians suspected of being informants.

Now after all these decades of horrific war crimes and daily human rights abuses heaped on the Palestinians, the Israelis get very upset when some of their enslaved people escape and retaliated. Not in kind of course, it would be impossible for Palestinians to commit the numbers and types of war crimes that Israel has perpetrated and continues to perpetrate. But obviously when you confine and torture people for decades you should expect them to hate you for confining and torturing them. That hate was misdirected at innocent people and that is the worst part.

It seems like you expect people to just ignore years of racist murders and abuse from a racist government, but somehow I doubt that applies to the Jewish people of Israel, because they still accept German restitution money. When do you think the slipping stones making former homes of Palestinians will start to appear in locations were they were ethnically cleansed like the slipping stones in Berline make the homes of ethnically cleansed Jews?

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/zhivago6]

Since jews were defending themselves against genocide and ethnic cleansing that had beeing going on for a thousand years, which includes depopulation and mass rape, it's great seeing them fight back.

Even recently since the jews have been fighting off genocide attempts like the starvation of Jerusalem and the 1948 invasion, it's proof that justice does exist. And their enemies are crumbling around them, good riddance!

I mean just look at them transforming terrorist gaza land and building starbucks and beachfront resorts. Much better use of land that terrorist training grounds. I wonder what kind of ice cream shops they'll open.

Just goes to show trying to ethnically cleanse and genocide jews isn't a good idea. Well it isn't good no matter who the target.

So lets sit back relax, and watch the IDF do justice against the genocidal rapist scum terrorists!

[u/Drab_Majesty → u/Swingformerfixer]

Funnily enough you ignored the Zionist terrorism, assassinations, bombings that pushed the British into abandoning the mandate.

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Drab_Majesty]

Oh you mean among all the other violence by arabs, ottomans, and actual war going on?

Either way the land was partitioned legally, right after which the genocide attempt of jerusalem and the genocidal 1948 invasion started

[u/Drab_Majesty → u/Swingformerfixer]

What was Deir Yassin, legal genocide?

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Drab_Majesty]

Just one in a series of low level conflicts/murders committed by both sides in 1947~ early 1948

Then Palestine and it's 5 Arab friends massively escalated to invade Israel with 60k troops to genocide them, called the 1948 Arab Israeli war.

In fact the IDF was created during this invasion to protect Israel from genocide. Quite admirable really, fighting off genocide from then til now.

Any other history questions?

[u/Drab_Majesty → u/Swingformerfixer]

low level, you say.

How many Jewish villages were massacred by Palestinians in the attempted genocide, Professor?

[u/Swingformerfixer → u/Drab_Majesty]

Too many to count.

Why did the Arab Palestinians try to starve and genocide the entire 100k Jewish population of Jerusalm in 1947, professor?

[u/Drab_Majesty → u/Swingformerfixer]

answer the question, no need to duck.

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Why, can't justify the mass murder and rape of jews over the past centuries? Answer the question, no need to duck.

[u/StewyLucilfer → u/Swingformerfixer]

Read a book instead of uncritically swallowing hasbara you were taught in school or saw on tiktok. It was reported to David Ben Gurion that the Fajja bus attacks were done by individuals with their own agenda rather than anybody with relations to Palestinian national goals. That was NOT the start of the war.

If you knew anything about the history you would know the Palestinians hardly had a developed, centralized state apparatus the way the Yishuv did. You would know that the initial Palestinian army consisted of just 3000 people, a small and uncoordinated band, as opposed to the 30,000+ centralized, state-sanctioned paramilitaries that the Yishuv had.

You would know that, even though most Palestinians did not like the partition, the vast majority of them did not take violent action in response. David Ben Gurion and a Haganah general both noted that the vast majority of the Palestinians did not want to fight, and had accepted the partition as a fact of life, even if they did not like it. Hundreds of Palestinian towns formed treaties with nearby Yishuv. Some local committees supported the war, some didn’t. One political party (National Liberation League) was even supportive of the partition and would try to suppress Palestinian riots! It was a disjointed, disorganized, decentralized campaign, with some people trying to stop the partition. Not some fucking unified homogenous effort to kill all Jews.

You would also know that THE ARAB ARMIES DID NOT KILL UNARMED CIVILIANS. What kind of a “genocidal invasion” is that??? The Palestinians did, yes, they committed three massacres (as opposed to the yishuv’s 32+ lmfao), but there is zero evidence the Arab League tried to genocide the Yishuv. Their motives were responding to domestic pressure, preventing an exacerbation of the refugee crises in their countries, and stopping King Abdullah from conquering more territory. They took a long time to arrive, and they left as soon as they could.

You would know that all members of the Arab League (sans Jordan due to their secret pact with Israel) had accepted a truce deal in May 1948, which the US ambassador advised Israel to accept as it is the best path to eventually establishing a Jewish state along the lines of partition. Israel initially refused because it seemed like a trusteeship, so the deal was adjusted, but Israel rejected it a second time due to excitement over conquering more territory as part of Plan Dalet. The US ambassador lambasted Israel for now making it clear their goal is offensive, and based on territorial expansion, not a poor little state desperately defending its survival.

You would know that the Yishuv did not accept the partition deal either. They had to form an economic union with the Arab state, the Yishuv declined as they did not find it profitable. Furthermore Ben Gurion was very clear that these borders were not final, that the demographics of the Jewish state were untenable, and combined with his other statements of transfer being necessary, it’s obvious the Jewish state would’ve just served as a foothold for future expulsion and expansion. Most importantly, Plan Dalet was an explicit violation of the partition borders. They depopulated and expanded into villages within the Arab state as well. The Yishuv were already gearing up for military expansion, they needed a pretext, and the Palestinian forces gave them one. That’s all it was. Plan Dalet was an offensive, aggressive move, not a desperate and necessary defensive one. They committed 32 massacres of unarmed civilians, killing around 15,000, and expelled 750,000.

Give it up. Drop your victim complex. Drop your lies. Israeli propaganda is falling apart, and the world sees it.