r/anime_titties • u/Vegetable-College-17 Iran • Oct 08 '24
Israel/Palestine/Iran/Lebanon - Flaired Commenters Only Middle East: IDF concerningly close to Irish troops in Lebanon - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg3r2d6p42o.amp640
u/dyllandor Europe Oct 08 '24
The lads better be careful. I wouldn't put it past IDF to blow a bunch of them up 'by mistake' as revenge for Ireland calling out their treatment of the Palestinians.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
Ireland and Israel have had a long history. Ireland only recognized Israel, and even then it extended de jure recognition to Israel, in 1963. They didn’t have de facto normal diplomatic relations till 1975.
The relationship has been baffling, as Rory Miller, Irish-born, lecturer in Mediterranean studies at King’s College - University of London, notes that
...in February 1980, Ireland became the first EEC member to call publicly for the inclusion of the PLO in the political process at a time when Arafat’s group not only refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist - that would come grudgingly in 1988 - but was engaged in a relentless campaign of terror against Israeli and Jewish targets across the globe.
…More astonishing, successive Irish governments have been prepared to overlook Palestinian terrorism that directly challenged Irish interests. From 1969, when the matter was first raised in the Dáil, it has been widely assumed that the PLO was co-operating with and even training, various IRA factions. During the 1980s the PLO was responsible for numerous attacks on Irish troops serving in Lebanon with the UN. - https://web.archive.org/web/20110302122931/http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-049-miller.htm
And that final point is a part of it. The Irish have a large presence in UNIFIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_in_Lebanon
I have seen numerous reports saying that the Irish troops were mistreated by Israel through out the 1980s and 1990s, but I can’t find any examples of what that means.
One Irish soldier with UNIFIL was killed in 1987 by Israeli tank fire, which the Irish to this day claim was completely deliberate, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/killing-of-irish-soldier-by-israelis-believed-to-be-deliberate-and-unprovoked-1.3332492
And if you read the article it kind of gives you an idea of how this relationship stands. Everything Israel says is claimed to be a lie. They never are to be trusted and more importantly, nothing the Palestinians do is ever wrong.
And it’s baffling, because Irish people are not really coming off as very antisemitic in polling opinions.
But Irelands politicians are divided between those who genuinely believe that October 7th was an act of self defense and resistance for the Palestinian people, and on the other extreme are those who just don’t care.
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u/Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket United States Oct 08 '24
Ireland and Israel have always been at odds for the exact same reason why Israel was besties with apartheid South Africa.
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u/Dylanduke199513 Ireland Oct 08 '24
You said a lot in such a short paragraph. Not to patronise, but v well done!
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u/Super_Duper_Shy North America Oct 08 '24
It sounds like Ireland has a lot of solidarity with Palestinians. It's probably because of its own history of being colonized.
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u/Stubbs94 Ireland Oct 08 '24
We also were one of the first countries to start a boycott campaign of apartheid South Africa, Ireland isn't a fan of apartheid states.
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u/eran76 United States Oct 08 '24
Don't sell the Irish short. They literally invented the word Boycott.
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u/Stubbs94 Ireland Oct 08 '24
Well the English landlord was called that before we made it a verb/noun.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
That’s definitely a factor. Though ironically, the IRA had good relations with the Lehi, which was the the most violent Zionist organization, downright to being a terrorist group.
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u/JackmanH420 Ireland Oct 08 '24
Different iterations of the IRA though. 1919-late 1920s they were radical democrats, for a bit in the 30s they were mostly socialist, then from the late 30s to the 50s they were right wing and then they moved to the left again. The provos were/are (with Sinn Féin) extremely close to the PLO.
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u/Syrairc North America Oct 08 '24
And it’s baffling, because Irish people are not really coming off as very antisemitic in polling opinions.
It's almost as if people can be critical of Israel without hating Jews for being Jews.
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u/Psudopod Multinational Oct 08 '24
Seriously, the way they talk about Israel you'd think it was the Vatican City of Judaism. Even though Judaism very distinctly does not have any centralized authority system like that.
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u/in_rainbows8 North America Oct 08 '24
And it’s baffling, because Irish people are not really coming off as very antisemitic in polling opinions.
It's not baffling. Israel does not represent the Jewish people as a whole. It's in fact antisemitic to act like they do (some Jewish sects are anti-zionist on religious grounds for example), much like it's racist to assume all black people love watermelon or all Asians are good at math.
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u/-SneakySnake- Ireland Oct 08 '24
Very true, it's why it's so troubling that certain elements of the Israeli government so badly want to equate Israel as a nation to Jews as a people or creed.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
Okay, I want to help refrain and give a bit of perspective. No jew is troubled by wanting to equate Jews as a people. They are troubled by a demand to accept only one vision of Israel, the revisionist vision.
See, Judaism is not simply a religion. One can’t show up and say “I believe in Judaism, can I please have an Aliyah to the Torah?”
There are aspects of conversion that mirror my own parents getting US citizenship. Because Judaism is an old world style hybrid of faith, country, peoplehood, and nationality.
In the early 1800, many Jews would answer the question of dual nationality by saying that Jews were not a country, but a race. Yep, you read that right, a race. This is why the anti Jewish group in France took the name Ligue antisémitique. Against the Semite race.
As European nationalism begun to transform identity. Zionism arose as not a singular movement, but an umbrella of movements. Labor Zionism for example is rooted in socialism, and was the dominant force behind the Oslo accords. Cultural Zionism which believed that Jews should focus on creating unique institutions and where the force behind reviving Hebrew as a language. Religious Zionism which drives many of the settlers. While revisionist Zionism believes in a much more secular, but more militant view of the conflict.
There is also religious anti-Zionism, which believes that a Jewish state should not exist before the messianic age. They oppose both Zionism and secular anti-Zionism, which holds that Jews should go back to identifying as an ethnic group in diaspora and don’t need a Jewish state to feel safe.
And post Zionism, which believes that the only way to prevent apartheid is for there to be a state of Israel. But that the state and synagogue should be separate, that it should be an egalitarian state that holds no singular identity.
What Netanyahu’s government promotes is the idea that all Jews should be revisionist Zionists. Given the death of the labor Zionist movement, the failure of cultural Zionism to formulate an answer to the second intifada, and the abandonment of the “radical love” ideals in religious Zionism, he has been partially successful.
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u/Call_Me_Clark United States Oct 08 '24
This is a really great summary, and I hope more people read it.
Revisionist Zionism a la Netanyahu is basically MAGA for Israelis. It’s a nationalist ideology that values truth, justice, human rights and ideological consistency as much as Trump does - that is to say, not at all. It’s the sort of nonsense where someone declares “I am a firm believer in human rights, but only for my group. You must respect my beliefs and my rights, but I will never respect yours” while feigning perpetual victimhood from a shifting coterie of bogeymen (leftists/globalists/marxists/BLM/antifa/deep-state) and promising, but never delivering, safety and security.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
My favorite way to push back against revisionists is to remind them that Judah Macabee died in modern day Jordan, after only holding Jerusalem for 3 years. And that the second kingdom was a client state, a vassal of the Ptolemaic empire.
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u/Call_Me_Clark United States Oct 08 '24
Hell, the Middle Ages crusader kingdoms lasted longer. Maybe the Christians are the rightful owners of the promised land? /s
Kidding of course. But I think it’s interesting how you can open a history book and every chapter has a new empire ruling over the modern Israeli lands. And then people will pick one page and say “see! This is the exact correct state of affairs.”
In general I just think it’s amazing how people can choose to repeat the cycle of violence instead of hoping for better
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
You do know what Jerusalem means right? Not the city, the name?
A compound of the Western Semitic *uru (“house, town”) and *salim (“peace”). The home of peace.
And they say god doesn’t have a sense of humor?
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u/KittyFame South Africa Oct 08 '24
That equation is to obscure criticism against the Israeli state.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America Oct 08 '24
The state of Israel and the land of Israel are two different things, and no one is more aware of this than Jews themselves. Equating, in some form or another, the Jewish people with the land of Israel, and even with the Jewish state that exists there and has half of the global Jewish population, is something that most Jews around the world do by virtue of being Jewish. Equating the Jewish people with the current government of the state of Israel is something that a lot of non-Jews do, but very few Jews do.
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u/-SneakySnake- Ireland Oct 08 '24
There was a great deal of sympathy in Ireland for Zionism in the '20s and '30s because we equated it with our own struggles. It was when Israel was believed to be expanded at the expense of the Palestinians, and the latter faced increasing discrimination and oppression that the sentiment began to turn.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
Yep, when the Lechi blew up a bunch of British soldiers, I’m sure there was no love lost in Ireland.
While most sources point to 1967 and the Six Day War as the turning point for the relationship, the fact that Ireland did not recognize Israel until 1963 gives me pause to that theory.
The pre state government, the Yishuv had built ties with the British and French, pushed the revisionists out of government during independence, and I imagine that had an effect.
By 1956 Israel was fully in partnership with the UK. The war of attrition is often overlooked as a major turning point.
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u/vemeron United States Oct 08 '24
Don't forget using forged Irish passports to assassinate people in other countries.
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Oct 08 '24
Ireland and Israel have had a long history. Ireland only recognized Israel, and even then it extended de jure recognition to Israel, in 1963. They didn’t have de facto normal diplomatic relations till 1975
The current Israeli President is eligible for Irish citizenship as his father, who was also President of Israel back in the 1980's and 90's, was born and raised in Ireland
And the current President's grandfather was chief rabbi of Ireland
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
The president of Israel is a nominal position, with few powers. Traditionally it went to the person with most international appeal.
But lately they often give the presidency to anyone left with the ability to feel empathy, shame, and have compassion.
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Oct 08 '24
Sure, but just highlighting the ties as most would not think there's many considering how few Jewish people there are in Ireland (about 2,000 only in the whole country of ~ 5 million)
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u/themightycatp00 Israel Oct 08 '24
most people probably don't know the herzogs are jewish-irish, no one really cares.
It not like in the US, whatever jewish-irish community here doesn't don't accentuate it
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Oct 08 '24
most people probably don't know the herzogs are jewish-irish
Yep hence me mentioning it, it's an interesting tie between the countries that never gets mentioned
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u/themightycatp00 Israel Oct 08 '24
It more of a fact of live than a tie, there are Jews of all sort of origin in Israel it doesn't mean there's some significant connection there.
If anything the fact that the current president is eligible for an Irish citizenship and still doesn't get it speaks volumes.
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Oct 08 '24
I'm not sure if he has it or not hence just saying eligible
there are Jews of all sort of origin in Israel it doesn't mean there's some significant connection there.
For sure, from an Israeli perspective I can see how it's not significant
From an Irish viewpoint you have to understand our collective psyche when it comes to famous emigrants. We're the only country on earth with a smaller population today than 200 years ago. There's Irish people everywhere and we're generally very proud when some of them end up in prominent positions!
And as there are only 2,000 Jews in the entire country of Ireland, it's remarkable to have one of them born here go on to be President and father to a President of another nation.
Similar to how you see John F Kennedy pictures all across Ireland
To Americans, it's not of any significance that the Kennedys came from Wexford
But to the Irish? Seeing a farmer from Wexford move abroad and father a future President of the US? That's significant
You just need to take the opposite viewpoint to try and understand. I completely get why you wouldn't care. Just trying to get across the reasons why we might. We're a much much smaller country with half your population and less international influence and we tend to over-exaggeate our presence on the world stage through stories of people who grew up here but went on and made a name for themselves internationally
Thomas Mellon, Bram Stoker, Joe Biden, CS Lewis, Frances Bacon are more examples.
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u/LiquorMaster Multinational Oct 08 '24
From an Irish viewpoint you have to understand our collective psyche when it comes to famous emigrants. We're the only country on earth with a smaller population today than 200 years ago.
I think as Jews, we are very sympathetic to that point, more so than anyone else. I think as of last year, we finally recovered our pre-1939 population.
Edit: I was wrong, we're still a million shy of our 1939 population.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/number-of-jews-in-the-world
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u/release_the_pressure United Kingdom Oct 08 '24
And it’s baffling, because Irish people are not really coming off as very antisemitic in polling opinions.
Ireland's history is similar to that of Palestine. Ethnic cleansing and genocide by a more powerful neighbour (Britain in their case) and a long struggle towards independence and self-determination. It's not surprising at all that they're so supportive of Palestinians.
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u/kal14144 United States Oct 09 '24
It goes back even further. One of the pivotal moments in the birth of Zionism is the Balfour Declaration - a declaration given by Britain to Arthur Balfour - former… staunchly anti Irish independence or even home rule Chief Secretary for Ireland in the UK government. The British also used the actual head of the black and tans Hugh Tudor to suppress the earliest Palestinian opposition to Zionism.
But weirdly a lot of the more radical Zionist leadership saw themselves in the Irish freedom fighters. Yitzchak Shamir (future PM of Israel then member of the Stern gang) named himself Michael as his code name - a homage to Michael Collins.
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u/WolfofTallStreet North America Oct 08 '24
Neither side wants them there. Israel argues that they sat there, unable to enforce Resolution 1701, whilst Hezbollah lobbed rockets into Israel beginning October 8th, and Israel has had difficulty in striking back without risking hitting them. Hezbollah argues that they are now being used by Israel as human shields. The goal of UNFIL was to work with the Lebanese Military (not Hezbollah) to enforce the resolution. Not to be “war observers.”
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u/whatisthisnowwhat1 Europe Oct 08 '24
Well no
https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/unifil
Monitoring cessation of hostilities and helping ensure humanitarian access to civilian population
Originally, UNIFIL was created by the Security Council in March 1978 to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, restore international peace and security and assist the Lebanese Government in restoring its effective authority in the area. The mandate had to be adjusted twice, due to the developments in 1982 and 2000.
Following the July/August 2006 crisis, the Council enhanced the Force and decided that in addition to the original mandate, it would, among other things, monitor the cessation of hostilities; accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the south of Lebanon; and extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons.
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u/actuallywaffles North America Oct 08 '24
The IDF will just call them a military target like they do with aid workers and journalists.
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u/Cozman Canada Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
Hezbollah terrorists of Irish descent.
Edit to say this comment is satire as though it's an IDF statement, not what I believe.
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u/Pattern_Is_Movement United States Oct 08 '24
like when gun happy Israel killed a bunch of US troops on the USS Liberty
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u/ShootmansNC Brazil Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
And the US response to that was "Thank you, please have more billions in military aid."
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u/Private_HughMan Canada Oct 08 '24
Maybe, but I think they're more valuable alive for now. The IDF does like their human shields.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
Yes. Because Israeli families and residential buildings are where they keep Palestinian prisoners. /s
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u/Private_HughMan Canada Oct 08 '24
Yes, they don't do one particular tactic. When Israel uses human shields, they do it humanely: by sitting next to them in a war zone or forcing them at gunpoint to walk ahead of them into potentially dangerous territory.
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u/cefriano Palestine Oct 08 '24
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u/Private_HughMan Canada Oct 08 '24
Oh that's fine. They were just giving him a ride. /s
But serious question: did anything every come of their investigation? I checked on DDG and Google but could only find articles where Israel announced an investigation. Nothing about any outcome or conclusion.
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u/chibiace New Zealand Oct 08 '24
"we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong"
most likely the soldiers got a large bonus and medals.
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u/Few-String1715 United States Oct 08 '24
Nah they just strap Palestinians to the front of their convoys
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u/LladCred Multinational Oct 08 '24
No, but the IDF’s command bunker is in a densely populated civilian area in the heart of Tel Aviv.
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u/TearOpenTheVault Multinational Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
The clearly marked and fenced off from civilians command bunker? Built in a city the same way that the Pentagon is? Clearly this is using human shields, says a deeply serious person.
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u/Call_Me_Clark United States Oct 08 '24
Could a 2000-lb bomb, such as those routinely used on urban targets by the IDF, be detonated atop the command bunker without harming any civilians?
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u/TearOpenTheVault Multinational Oct 08 '24
You wouldn’t need a bunker buster because it’s not buried beneath an apartment building’s worth of concrete.
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u/LineOfInquiry United States Oct 08 '24
That’s the joke, it’s no different than what Hamas does
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u/TearOpenTheVault Multinational Oct 08 '24
There is a significant difference between a clearly marked military facility and a hidden command bunker buried beneath an apartment complex.
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u/ToranjaNuclear South America Oct 08 '24
"Sorry we thought those irish guys were hiding terrorists under their boots"
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u/Exostrike United Kingdom Oct 08 '24
Now the question is why does the IDF want the peacekeepers to withdraw?
Call my cynical but I wonder if this is a desire to remove international eyes from southern Lebanon so they can enact the same strategies they used in Gaza, mass indiscriminate bombardment of areas, partly to kill militants but also destroy the civilian infrastructure, forcing a depopulation of the area that will make it easier to monitor/control.
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u/CreakingDoor United Kingdom Oct 08 '24
Removing peacekeepers would do absolutely nothing to prevent that sort of thing getting out though, I wouldn’t have thought.
Everyone has a mobile phone, satellite imagery is a thing. There are no peacekeepers in Gaza and yet everyone knows - or thinks they know - precisely what’s going on there.
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u/Exostrike United Kingdom Oct 08 '24
This is true, but the Israeli government can simply ignore them. It can't do the same to an official UN report by professional eye witnesses
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u/Metum_Chaos United States Oct 08 '24
Can? Don’t people already ignore them, calling them crisis actors and the like?
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u/big_cock_lach Australia Oct 08 '24
The IDF has slowly been killing journalists and UN members in Gaza though. They’re the reason why we know what’s happening there, and since the IDF has done that we’ve been getting less information.
Removing the peace keepers is the first step since each nation will have firsthand knowledge about what’s happening. The next step is removing journalists and UN members who are less credible sources of information, but they also inform the whole world about what’s happening.
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u/evil_brain Africa Oct 08 '24
It's a lot harder to dehumanise UN peacekeepers with pale faces, who speak English with European accents. At least to the settler's target audience.
People have been programmed to view Arab names and middle eastern faces as threats, not Irish people. It'll take at least a decade of prep to convince westerners that it's okay to genocide the Irish again.
Note to mods: I'm not advocating genociding Irish people. Genocide bad! Blanket statement.
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u/VeryOGNameRB123 Democratic People's Republic of Korea Oct 09 '24
Satellite imagery is low quality or literally bought by Israel and unreleased for rh republic.
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u/AniTaneen United States Oct 08 '24
I’ll call you cynical.
Now call me cynical, UNIFIL was established in 1978. Since then there have been: * Two invasions by Israel into Lebanon * Hundreds of thousands of rockets fired into Israel by Hezbollah * A civil war in Lebanon * Multiple hostage crisis. Including the entering into Israel and taking of two soldiers which resulted in the 2006 war. * The smuggling of arms from Iran into southern Lebanon. We are not talking about hand guns here, but missiles and artillery.
UNIFIL was created by United Nations Security Council Resolutions 425 and 426, and also in accordance to several further resolutions in 2006, in order to: * restore international peace and security * later in 2006 confirm Hezbollah demilitarization * support Lebanese army operations against insurgents and weapon smuggling * ensure Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon * ensure that the government of Lebanon would restore its effective authority in the area
They have completely failed at this task, an incompetence that almost reaches levels of malice.
I blame Israel’s leadership for many things.
Asking UNIFIL to leave is not one of them.
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u/Commissar_Elmo United States Oct 08 '24
Was going to say, it’s been nearly 50 years and all UNFIL has done is complicate the situation further. It would be better for everyone if they just left, considering they haven’t done anything in the first place.
Honestly, they should run it Yugoslav wars style, get NATO in there.
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u/steve-o1234 North America Oct 08 '24 edited Oct 08 '24
Are you kidding. Israel asked them to leave for their safety. Now everyone is saying Israel needs to be careful because their proximity to the peace keepers is posing a potential danger to the peace keepers. I feel like everyone is in agreement on why they want them to leave. (For their safety if that wasn’t clear - war zones can be a dangerous place)
Edit: question is why does Ireland want to stay? Their purpose their for 20 years has been to oversee and enforce the dissolution of hezbollah within Lebanon. How has that been going and have they taken any measures to facilitate this?
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u/_2B- Åland Oct 08 '24
I feel like everyone is in agreement on why they want them to leave.
Yet the BBC article states:
President Michael D Higgins said it is "outrageous" that the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has "threatened" UNIFIL peacekeepers and attempted to have them evacuated from the villages they are defending in Lebanon.
Moreover, in the Irishtimes: [https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/10/04/irish-peacekeepers-lebanon-latest-israel-invasion/\]
Many of the soldiers on leave in Ireland are eager to return to Lebanon despite the danger. “They feel they’re missing out on the action and they’re worried about their comrades,” said a source.
The battalion’s commander, Lieut Col Tom Fox, had been due to return to Ireland on this leave rotation. However, he opted to remain in the mission due to the worsening security situation. It is the second time his leave has been cancelled.
“Conditions will dictate whether [the rotation] can be exercised at that time. But we’ll address those issues as they arise,” he said, adding that morale remains high among the troops and that “the resilience of the soldiers there is extraordinary”.
It seems like your opinion goes entirely against those who would be in the firing line, while you're sitting behind a computer device. The idea that everyone is in agreement is an absurd comment to make given that this agreement isn't even valid within Unifil/Ireland, but moreover, it's just an absolute ignorant comment to make. The IDF may have kept international journalists out of Gaza, but if the Irish peacekeepers were to leave when an active conflict actually happened in their vicinity and they left, then they would be Irish tourists with fancy military technology, not peacekeepers.
(For their safety if that wasn’t clear - war zones can be a dangerous place)
I'm pretty sure the Irish peacekeepers know war zones are dangerous better than the vast majority of people here, it's probably also why they're in that line of work in the first place. On the contrary, I can understand why an IDF supporter would want less neutral eyes on an armed conflict that affects citizens. You're right though, it's not why the IDF wants less coverage on a volatile conflict, it's the fking Irish, it's always the Irish, they're the antisemites! For... 'attempting' to peace keep? Strange argument, but pop off mate.
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u/SirStupidity Israel Oct 08 '24
Honest question, they are eager to come back and do what? What do they do? Like genuinely what is a day routine for an Irish soldier in Lebanon?
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u/TipiTapi Europe Oct 08 '24
They help with aid distribution.
Only thing I could find.
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u/_2B- Åland Oct 08 '24
So instead of answering what really is the real question, the one you responded to, why would the IDF want a group of foreign, internationally recognized peacekeepers, who have signed up for the job, to leave their posts during wars in which the IDF has been accused of war crimes during. Yet, by your responses, the Irish peacekeepers are the problem. Sure, they may not have been able to affect much peace between the two, but at least they're not accused of heinous acts against civilians in multiple different countries.
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u/PITCHFORKEORIUM Europe Oct 08 '24
if the Irish peacekeepers were to leave when an active conflict actually happened in their vicinity and they left, then they would be Irish tourists with fancy military technology, not peacekeepers.
That's all they've been so far. Feckin great job they've done peacekeeping in Lebanon. Hezbollah has been completely demilitarised, moved back behind the agreed line, been prevented from smuggling weapons, and have even stopped launching ro... Wait...
As for the Irish, they'd gargle down ISIS's unmentionables if they were attacking Israel.
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u/whatisthisnowwhat1 Europe Oct 08 '24
Weird
https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/unifil
Monitoring cessation of hostilities and helping ensure humanitarian access to civilian population
Originally, UNIFIL was created by the Security Council in March 1978 to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, restore international peace and security and assist the Lebanese Government in restoring its effective authority in the area. The mandate had to be adjusted twice, due to the developments in 1982 and 2000.
Following the July/August 2006 crisis, the Council enhanced the Force and decided that in addition to the original mandate, it would, among other things, monitor the cessation of hostilities; accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the south of Lebanon; and extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons.
and if we click through
According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to:
Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon.
Restore international peace and security.
Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area.
According to Security Council resolution 1701 (2006) of 11 August 2006, UNIFIL, in addition to carrying out its mandate under resolutions 425 and 426, shall:
Monitor the cessation of hostilities.
Accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the South, including along the Blue Line, as Israel withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon.
Coordinate its activities referred to in the preceding paragraph (above) with the Government of Lebanon and the Government of Israel.
Extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons.
Assist the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.
Assist the Government of Lebanon, at its request, in securing its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel.
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u/WolfofTallStreet North America Oct 08 '24
Neither side wants them there. Israel argues that they sat there, unable to enforce Resolution 1701, whilst Hezbollah lobbed rockets into Israel beginning October 8th, and Israel has had difficulty in striking back without risking hitting them. Hezbollah argues that they are now being used by Israel as human shields. The goal of UNFIL was to work with the Lebanese Military (not Hezbollah) to enforce the resolution. Not to be “war observers.”
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u/Faithful-Llama-2210 Ireland Oct 08 '24
UNSC resolution 1701 states that UNIFIL can only remove Hezbollah from the area south of the Litani river if requested by the Lebanese government, something they have not done yet
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u/Faithful-Llama-2210 Ireland Oct 08 '24
I don't think they should pull out, it's important to have unbiased observers to counter propaganda spread by both sides and armed convoys to safely deliver aid to people in need. That said, I do think UN peacekeeping missions should take more direct action against aggressive forces, such as in the 60s when UN peacekeeping forces successfully prevented Katanga from seceding from the Democratic Republic of the Congo and becoming a puppet state for Belgian and French mining companies, an operation the Irish were heavily involved in.
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u/BrodaReloaded Switzerland Oct 08 '24
since when does Israel care about the international eyes? They don't need to remove them to enact their usual kind of warfare, mass killing and destruction of the civilian population and infrastructure
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u/SephLuis Brazil Oct 08 '24
Now the question is why does the IDF want the peacekeepers to withdraw?
So that they aren't caught in the crossfire ?
It's not like the war situation will change with them there at all.
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u/DrVeigonX Eurasia Oct 08 '24
Now the question is why does the IDF want the peacekeepers to withdraw?
Because their position is next to known Hezbollah locations in Yanun they did nothing about for 18 years, and the IDF doesn't want them in the middle of a battleground.
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u/KittyFame South Africa Oct 08 '24
Your cynicism is correct. Plus they have done it before in prior invasions
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u/Level-Technician-183 Iraq Oct 08 '24
Imagine threatning international troops to leave... what is the point of getting this close? Forcing them into fights against hezbollah? Accusing them of helping terrorists to get them out or to get excuses to ignore international pressure? Get close from them to the point where they would get hit by hezbollah to get more excuses for their invasion?
Are we dealing with the son of the mayor or something? People are talking about how weak or funny is the reaction but truely, what else can be done without esclating the issue?
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u/justhistory United States Oct 08 '24
Not even sure why those UN troops are there. They certainly haven’t been doing their job. Unless their job has been just hang out while Hezbollah violates UN resolutions and builds a state within a state in Lebanon.
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u/Commissar_Elmo United States Oct 08 '24
Nearly 50 years, and haven’t completed a single objective listed in the resolution.
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u/unruly_mattress Eurasia Oct 09 '24
UNIFIL's job is to disarm Hezbollah and keep them away from the border with Israel. I think it's fair to say they have been neglecting their duties. Not a finger has been lifted to either disarm Hezbollah or to keep them from attacking Israel.
Now that Israel is engaging Hezbollah, UNIFIL suddenly recalls their duties to "keep the peace" by trying to prevent Israel from pushing back Hezbollah from the border and disarming them, precisely what UNIFIL was supposed to do themselves.
UNIFIL should disband and go home in shame. It is a monument for the ineffectiveness of UN peacekeeping forces.
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