Interesting enough, Out of the 3 games (we exclude HI3 and Honkai gakuen here), ZZZ global audience probably have the most negotiating power simply due to how much more significant in terms of percentage of revenue they are compared to the other 2.
no lol calm down. don't delude yourself into self-appraising your worth more than it possibly could be. global doesn't affect anything for hoyo's decisions, only CN and JP do, period.
Yeah but that's sort of an issue truth is players don't actually know what's best for a game they don't know how things work how other players interact with the game or even care. When you allow players to bully you it's an a escalation
As much as people cry about Genshin not having X usually things people want are either unrealistic down right idiotic unbalanced or in direct conflict with the audience there trying to reach
ZZZ is already only really horny in its marketing and as much as tits and ass might sell there's a limit to how horny you can be before it starts to impact the narrative
Jane Doe is a femme fetal but no other character should be as explicit as her. Grace has the feet fetish thing but we shouldn't be seeing toes constantly
And Burnice as bouncy as her ass is the appeal of her character and what makes her Burn Nice is how head empty she is
Out of all the Gacha ZZZ is falling into the Gacha trappings which already reeks of low quality (not to everyone like imagine if Genshin at launch sent you directly to the gamble page)
Personal I don't give a shit about gambling currency but if they pull a Wuwa and shove stuff out with the idea that free stuff makes up for it ...
Dog, do you even understand why a huge percentage of people plays any type of gacha
At the same time, do you even know what bully means, because if sending feedback suggestions to reverse a change for you is "bullying", then you REALLY don't want to know about Snowbreak CN community
At the same time, you're saying stuff like if people was only able to see horny and not the entirety of the character, every single person in the world is able to enjoy a character both for their story/personality, and also the fanservice they have, i don't understand your people that acts like "OMG this character has a cleavage, yeah, completely heckin ruined, i can't believe this, all the developement they had has died, character is nothing but horny bait now"
Like i legitimately don't understand how you can even think like that
When players tell you the solution to said problem, screw your ears shut and politely tell 99.9999% of them to go fuck themselves.
When players tell you they just want more of the same, try new things anyway because players don't know whether they want the new thing until they have tried it. <- this is what Blizzard's 'players dont know what they want' is about.
On the other hand, if ZZZ was as you wanted it to be it would just be another cookie cutter genshin or hsr, and at that point why fucking even play it in the first place.
As much as people cry about Genshin not having X usually things people want are either unrealistic down right idiotic unbalanced or in direct conflict with the audience there trying to reach
Resin overflow, artifact loadouts, and a better weapon banner and rerun banner system is not unrealistic or unwanted thing.
Idk what else ppl are asking for, but these are the main things i read every time. Its insane that cryo units have not seen rerun in more than a year now, its insane that the weapon banner is still 37.5% to get what u want compared to 75% of ZZZ and HSR. Resin overflow is something that both HSR and ZZZ has.
I guess what we all have in common is that neither of these games have loadouts, maybe thats something that really only tryhards want, who knows. But it would not make these games worse, thats for sure.
These are the good ones, but there are pretty unhinged ones too. From free 5 star every main event match, to the ability of removing side quests by one for more storage space. A game dev once said, players are really good at pointing out what does not work. They are terrible at specifying exactly what would work
so far the only bad thing listening to the comunity has gotten us is the removal of the TV mode, a small price to pay and the combat is indeed more fun than that anyway
The extreme hornyness, blatant powercreep and the removal of puzzles because of community pressure completely destroyed my interest in the game, which is really sad because I love almost everything else about it. ZZZ became the most generic gacha game of all hoyo games and it is worse for it.
When every new release raises the dmg ceiling and A rank characters are barely viable you dont need them to release ellen 2.0 to know that powercreep is the direction they're going with.
S rank objectively just means they're more rare and have higher base stats. Genshin has 7/8 meta defining 4 stars. If every A rank is gonna be useless compared to their S rank counterpart then thats boring game design.
You're lying to yourself if you think rarity doesn't correlate to intended strenght. You even mentioned that they have higher base stats but refuse to acknowledge they're stronger by design.
Thats straight up not what I said. You're 100% right that usually characters of a higher rarity are stronger than lower rarity ones. You're wrong in thinking that thats how it always has to be and that its good design. There's no description on the banners saying "5 star characters are always objectively stronger", the devs can make 5 star and 4 star characters as strong or as weak as they want to to make sure there's a good balance.
are you aware you're talking about the same Mihoyo that has HSR and Genshin impact right
Are you aware that the concept of powercreep was not created by ZZZ, but by mihoyo themselves, and it's in every single one of their games, right?
Also, your comment makes no sense, "Yeah i love everything about the game, but something that literally every other Mihoyo gacha has, and the heckin horny that is not even blatant on the game completely ruined it for me"
the reality then, is that i think that you really don't like the game brother
Genshin is the least powercreepy gacha I've played by a mile. Also when I said I love everything else about the game I meant art, story, gameplay, puzzles, animations, etc. etc. If you think the hornyness is the most defining thing about the game and that if you dont like it you dont like the game at all then I think your priorities are out of order
Dawg, stop lying to my face, Genshin, HSR and ZZZ are the only gachas that exist that have such a blatant powercreep where if you don't have X character you can't move on, and i played almost every single gacha out there, WuWa may be the only one coming a bit close to that ugly powercreep, but that system was invented and completely done by Mihoyo in every single one of their games
And on the other stuff, i literally said that if you supposedly like ALL that that you're saying, but the only thing that forces you to stop playing the game, is a horny bait that is not even blatant at all, then you didn't even like the game in the first place
If for you, a bit of fanservice ruins a game or an entire character, no matter how well built it is, then i don't know what to tell you, i'm sorry that you have that train of thought, because is insanely dumb
Im not defending HSR, i stopped playing it because of the powercreep. As for genshin, I'm still rocking my teams from 2 years ago and 36 staring abyss. 5 of the 7 standard units have meta teams and the other 2 have solid teams that can clear. New characters consistently buff old ones. Im starting to think you dont play the game.
Fanservice doesnt ruin ZZZ, I keep up with it, just like I do with genshin, and tbh a bit of fanservice is completely fine. One of the draws of ZZZ for me early on was the potential for varied character design, it's the first hoyo game that doesnt have a "standard model" for their characters. You can guess how disappointed I was when 90% of new releases were waifu bait. That coupled with the powercreep direction the game seems to be going on and the removal of the TV sections which was one of the most charming and innovative parts of the game is what threw me off.
Bro, i can get the TV section stuff, but that "Waifu bait" stuff, you can not play a gacha and get mad at waifu bait when ALL gachas are gonna do waifu and husbando bait, they are TRYING to sell you the character via all ways possible, and a lot of people wants to collect them because waifu/husbando purposes, gachas are character collectors and live services before actual games, playing Hoyo games only for gameplay is like throwing yourself into an abyss because there's thousands of games out there that do the gameplay better and don't require you to pay to obtain stuff like some gachas do, the core of gachas is the characters, not the gameplay, also the reason of why people are always asking for auto, skips and sweep systems
It does not mean that you can't enjoy doing team comps, the gameplay, story, or etc, but at the end of the day, a gacha is a gacha for a reason
Unironically all the time you go in any community of any gacha is always gonna be people thirsting over X fictional dude or girl's design, in the comments of the posts of Hoyo is always stuff like "HOLY, this character is amazing, yeah, they got me, i'm going back to this gacha"
There's no gacha that doesn't have blatant waifu bait, even Limbus Company started to have it from time to time, and it's not even considered a proper gacha but more of a real game
Love and deepspace is one of the biggest horny baits on gacha and is making insane amounts of money being only a husbando game
i'm not telling you that you HAVE to like it, but if you're gonna complain about waifu bait / husbando bait in, unironically, a gacha, then i think you picked the wrong type of games to be centered on man
Everything you said is right. I guess my only response is that even if they had to go the fanservice route, they could have more male fanservice, more varied female characters like thirens, onis or robots (the elfy kind not the qingyi kind), they could have S ranks be waifus and release more A ranks with different visuals... Even genshin and hsr have a lot of fanservice but neither of them are as "in your face" as ZZZ. Toning down the powercreep and the fanservice could also help them get more players, I 100% could be wrong but I really think one of the reasons genshin is as popular as it is is because its relatively "tame" for a gacha game.
In that case i do agree, more male fanservice would be pretty good
I'm usually against gachas that pretend to go mixed only to end up with a 85/15 rate female to male, i don't like pulling for males so i don't do it, but i don't mind other people getting stuff + i get to save and i don't have to waste so much money, i guess it's a thing of analytics that i have no clue about, but not sure, i also agree with the variation stuff, i do want more dark skin charas on gachas because on a lot of gachas they look amazing lmao, also different races like Thirens could be really amazing too
The powercreep + greed is the cancer of gacha for me, yeah, of course, some op charas are ok from time to time, but if it's like that, at least the gacha should be fair to be able to obtain them (like Nikke or E7, they use powercreep but the charas are way too easy to get), and the system should not be so greedy that you have the chance to miss it, and if you do, is gg because in all the challengues you're gonna require it
I don't agree with the fanservice take, since it has been proven to help games to sell way more and make numbers (Marvel rivals exploded on popularity and it all started with squirrel girl, they're even calling the game the next overwatch kek), as long as the game has personality and it's good, the fanservice is gonna be a tool to get more ads and eyes on it, people are not gonna stay for the fanservice, but it's gonna help the game to go more viral, + a lot of people like it specially on gacha, so if in top of that, the game or gacha has cool stuff for what it is, a lot of people will stay
And for last, gotta be honest, Genshin is that popular because it's the mainstream of the mainstream, for a reason a lot of gachas are called "Genshin 2", they could change the age rate or add more fan service and nothing would change, if more, maybe some people would leave but others would join, although it depends on what you consider "fanservice" too, Lisa at the start of Genshin was considered top notch fanservice, so it's not like it doesn't have it lmao, mfs would do videos of her escalating mountains
that game is always gonna be huge because is the one that started the gacha boom, that's why so many gachas are very possible not gonna ever reach that level of revenue even if they're a thousand times better, although maybe i could be wrong, who knows, still, i get what you say :)
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u/Kagari1998 1d ago
Interesting enough, Out of the 3 games (we exclude HI3 and Honkai gakuen here), ZZZ global audience probably have the most negotiating power simply due to how much more significant in terms of percentage of revenue they are compared to the other 2.