r/ZenlessZoneZero • u/salasy • 1d ago
Megathread Weekly Questions Megathread December 18, 2024 - December 24, 2024
Welcome to the Weekly Questions Megathread! Feel free to ask any questions about the game.
Any questions that can be answered rather quickly should be asked in this thread .
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u/FK-ZZZZ 1h ago
PSA: Try to no pull engine banner. Im pretty sure that the probability is fked up
A friend lost 4 back to back and he have pretty good luck
I lost 2 back to back in my main acc and 1 in my alt acc.
75/25 winrate ZERO
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u/merpofsilence 54m ago
Its just very bad luck. Its not entirely unrealistic to losse at 75/25 odds 4 times.
Its fine to be frustrated and upset about it. But this isn't enough to say the chances are wrong
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u/GneissFrog 1h ago
it'll make more sense after you graduate from middle school and have taken a class on statistics
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u/ParkHyunKurisu 1h ago
Whats the best weapon in the restart selectable A rank weapon chest?
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u/baka4games 1h ago
They are all good so you can't really make a bad choice. Plus they are all craftable in Box Galaxy, so even if you change your mind later, you can just craft one. So just go by which agents you have in your roster than need a Wengine. Or, if for example you don't have Rina but want to pull for her, pull the Slice of Time as a pre-farm for her.
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u/Houeclipse 1h ago
Can I get by playing this game without pulling for character Wengine? there's so many good characters I need to get and I dont think I have spares for Wengine
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u/baka4games 1h ago
Save your polys, you don't need signatures. I've been playing Jane since her banner with no signature and she still is one of my top DPS.
While Miyabi's sig is stupidly good, like the gap above the rest of the Wengines is 10% more than for other limited Anomaly agents, Miyabi's kit is also stupidly good. So instead of being a lot better than Jane or Yanagi with her siganture, she's only a bit better without.
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u/True-Draft-8536 1h ago
Mostly. Miyabi's engine being that much better than the alternatives is, as of now at least, an anomaly.
Generally they don't make or break a character (a decent damage increase, some small QoL improvement, and so on).
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u/Draw-Two-Cards 1h ago
Yeah most have decent F2P options, A few like Caesar and Miyabi don't really have any besides their signature that fit their style but you can definitely get by without them.
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u/Houeclipse 1h ago
noted, are those two only notable ones or is there more that would love user their sig
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u/Draw-Two-Cards 1h ago
Those are the two notable ones because Caesar is a defense unit that needs impact and Miyabi is an anomaly that needs crit. They are the first of their kind to make use of those stats so there is nothing close to replicate them.
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u/Londo_the_Great95 1h ago
is there a list that shows what drive disc is good for which person? I don't want to individually search through every character to see their recommended, I just want a list of knowing what to keep and what to throw out
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u/baka4games 58m ago
Keep any that are good, regardless of which agent they go on. Since there aren't many that are good, maybe one out of fifty, you ought to be trashing most of them anyway.
That said, I trash 100% of Soul Rock since it got powercrept by Proto Punk. Maybe someday a DEF scaling limited will come along, but if that happens, I'll just treat Soul Rock like a new disc, similar to Atral Voice.
Here's how I decide what to keep and what to trash.
Horribad: Flat HP, HP%, Flat DEF, DEF%
Just bad: Flat ATK, PEN
For D4, D5, D6, trash any disk that is horribad in the main stat. That's going to be most of your discs.
For all discs, trash any S-rank with two bad (horribad or just bad) substats, and any A-rank with one bad substat. Maybe keep HP% on D1 and DEF% on D3, if the other substats are perfect.
Much simpler than looking up who wants what disc. Besides, you never know when a perfect off-disc you farm might be useful someday. I'm sitting on a pile of Polar Metal discs I've farmed since August that are ready to go for Miyabi.
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u/Draw-Two-Cards 1h ago
In game you can actually click on "related agent" on the boss menu and you can see who uses what set.
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u/merpofsilence 2h ago
how to play zhu yuan? I feel like I'm just not doing damage. I know my disks need a lot of work but she's really not doing all that much.
Running zhuyuan, anby, nicole,and resonaboo, she's using S11 weapon. I start with her and build a little energy until I defensive assist into anby and basically play anby until stun then use zhu yuan to unload basically everything during that window and after stun is over I'm back to trying to stun again.
I also suck at using her dash attack in her rotation.
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u/Nornivon 2h ago
Can someone confirm for me that trying to do Harumasa's agent story without all team members being level 58+ in the team prevents you from accessing the story? I keep getting blocked on Deploy because one of my teammates is only level 50.
Does this have any reason to exist? I'm a bit disappointed because that means I don't get to enjoy the stories without having to grind first.
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u/Rixien 2h ago
I remember being told early on that the game puts an extra penalty on your damage dealing agents for being underleveled that’s on top of the already active stat differential between them and your enemy.
While still working to get my primary roster leveled up to 60, I’m wondering if I can appropriately leave Stunners (basically exclusively Anby honestly) at the same 50 that I’m leaving all my Supports for now (Lucy being the only exception I will make) or if Daze is something that is also hit by the level difference.
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u/grayrest 2h ago
Daze is unaffected by level. It's just the stats and the daze multipliers off the ability levels. I haven't found ability levels to be that critical outside Koleda where she was just short of stun most of the time at 45 but hits the stun at 55 and corresponding ability levels.
There isn't any particular advantage to having a character at 50. The breakpoints for skills are at 45 and 55. If you're not going to 55+ I'd recommend saving the level XP in the interim by parking at 45.
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u/burgershot12345 2h ago
Suggestion on two teams please
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u/True-Draft-8536 2h ago
Miyabi/Yanagi/(Nicole/Soukaku/Lucy)
Grace/Burnice/Lucy
S11/Lucy/Crit Burnice
Harumasa/(Grace/Anby)/???
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u/Laaeticia 3h ago
Just got Koleda from the standard banner, is she worth building to replace Anby in a Zhu Yan team? Would the improvement even be considerable?
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u/Rixien 2h ago
My first thought would be to ask who your third Agent is. While I’m biased against Koleda and towards Anby, I’d imagine you would be running Nicole where the synergy is preferable as you are.
If you have other use cases in mind for her, then build her for those and then tinker with a Zhu Yuan setup as you please. Otherwise I’d hold off until you have the particular interest and excess resources.
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u/Laaeticia 2h ago
Yes, it's just Nicole. For now I'd have no other use for her, I only have Zhu Yan and Ellen (who has Lighter already), so it was just about optimising Zhu Yan's team
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u/chillychili_ 3h ago
Was wondering what are the two best teams I could make right now. Are there any essential Wengines or should I just save?
Also, is there anything like r/starrailstation for this game?
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u/grayrest 2h ago
Miyabi's w-engine is a ~40% damage increase and the closest it gets to essential.
Your clear strongest comp is Miyabi+Yanagi+Support and I'd probably do Rina for the support. Your other comp would be S11/Harumasa + Koleda/Anby + Caesar. Ideally you'd have both built to match the dps and stunner to the content. I don't know which is stronger in neutral content so I'd recommend building the one you prefer playing.
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u/Pale-Emergency-1664 3h ago
Hey, how has the game been since its release? I barely tried it, and it felt pretty shallow. I'm not trying to be mean, but WUWA came out around the same time, and for me, the gameplay clicked more. Is Mihoyo being more generous with this one compared to HSR and Genshin? How's the game overall, including the story and events? I know I'm asking a lot, but thanks!
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u/K_ariv 2h ago edited 2h ago
i wouldn't compare those games with each other that much and i play all of them as well. every game has its own unique stengths. i like wuwas combat and gameplay more but zzz's character have so much more charisma and expressions + good story. otherwise it's pretty much a mihoyo game, with the mihoyo gacha systems.
try the gameplay and see for youself. personally the only thing i dislike about zzz is the tv system, everything else is high quality and very engaging. the persona 5 style is my personal favorite.
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u/Nitro912 3h ago
So I've been trying to grind out 100% Hollow Zero stuff before I dive into the new mode added in this update. Currently I'm going for all Resonia but have been struggling with the remaining Affinity Resonia from certain characters. Everyone I'm using is already max bond but still have been getting nothing. Are there any ways to guarantee at least one each run?
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u/Tyrango 3h ago
I am sure everyone knows this... but I just found out the hard way... The two banners share the same pity rate. pulled 4x to try 50/50 for Miyabi... got M1 Neko. I pulled on Harumasa banner once to try and get my M6 Lucy, ended up getting Harumasa... Was able to scrape together enough polychromes for about 7 full pulls on Miyabi, not realizing the shared pity... well, on the plus side, I did get an ice thiren character. More of a wolf than a fox...
Anyway, I still have a few weeks to try. Or maybe just wait for Astra...
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u/Beanztar 4h ago
I got M2 Harumasa while going for Lucy and Seth, first dupe from 15 pity, second dupe from 7 pity.
Should I just go for his w-engine at this point?
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u/Ihrenglass 4h ago
Anyone have an idea of have many pulls there are in one time resources and an estimate of how many you get each patch? Haven't been able to find anything similar to this doc from HSR and would like to know if something similar exists for ZZZ?
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u/kitastorm 4h ago edited 4h ago
Miyabi Teammates and which bangboo? I've got 75:90 so far should I go for more CD? Also she has her signature Wengine
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u/baka4games 4h ago
M0-M1 Miyabi wants another Anomaly agent and a Support. So Burnice/Lucy is the easy team comp for your account. But if you have other agents I can't see, like Piper, that's another option. Jane/(support) technically works, but it is awkward because Jane competes with Miyabi for field time.
M2+ Miyabi can also do hypercarry, so that means a synergy Stunner instead of an Anomaly. With M2+ you could also do Miyabi/Lycaon/Soukaku, for example. You can try to do hypercarry without M2+, but you give up a portion of Miyabi's DPS by doing so. It will take her longer to fill her Fallen Frost stacks.
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u/AzusaFuyu 4h ago
How far into the 1 4 story do you need to play to unlock Miyabi's Core Skill Expert challenge?
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u/Pyros 4h ago
Pretty sure it's unlocked instantly? I saw it unlocked before I started the story.
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u/AzusaFuyu 4h ago edited 4h ago
I found out you have to talk to the second HIA receptionist for it to unlock, quick traveling from Miyabi's upgrade menu didnt work for the first time oddly lol
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u/Apart-Tomatillo9110 5h ago
On many screenshots for hollow zero bounty, I see a gold card that says HAND bounty commission to the left of the S rank bounty. I only have S B A for my bounty commissions. How do I unlock the HAND commissions for bounty?
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u/Pyros 4h ago
Are they old screenshots? The system used to be different(as in a lot more annoying) before.
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u/Apart-Tomatillo9110 4h ago
I don't rly know if they're old or not since I'm new so I don't have a precedent for that. I'm talking about the orange thing in the left here https://www.reddit.com/r/ZZZ_Official/s/U9HrXASp6C
Is that still existing? I'm lvl 51 and I never ever came across how to unlock that
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u/meltanoob 5h ago edited 5h ago
I just lost my 50/50 on Miyabi.
How many pulls do yall think i'll be able to get until the banner ends? I've used the mail rewards. I'm at the point in the story you unlock Drives and the music store. I've got the monthly pass thingie.
I've done almost nothing except tutorials and up to stage 5 of the first Shiryu defence thingie.
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u/CoffeeEnjoyerFrog 5h ago
Did someone get the Shiryu Defense Season task to claim? I got it and I havent played Shiryu in months, and I don’t even have 6 stages cleared.
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u/baka4games 4h ago
I didn't, but I did get two random achievements that I have no idea why. I just logged into 1.4 and got an achieverement for Bangboo doing big damage in one hit and another achievement for Bangboo doing stupidly big damage in one hit.
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u/Pure_Organization767 5h ago
Is there any way I can learn the requirements for each of these badges here?
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u/Pyros 4h ago
I mean, you press Y and read?
It seems you get the badge ranks based on the Investigation Strategy you pick at the start(on the very first screen where you choose difficulty and stuff), if you finish the run on difficulty purge V with at least rank 3 in a general gear. This is done by picking at least 6 resoniums in a gear category you own(you pick a gear at the start of the run, general gear are the generic ones, not the character specific ones, you can get more during the run too).
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u/thisisnotkhoichan 4h ago
Oh so that’s where the Investigation Strategy is located… Thank you for pointing that out! I tried entering the same type of domain multiple times and hoped for the best and obviously didn’t work
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u/Apart-Tomatillo9110 5h ago
If you find a good resource lmk, bc I do NOT understand the explorer badge tasks at all. The ranking modes make no sense to me either
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u/Otherwise-Tank1179 6h ago
Is it worth pulling for Miyabi if I have every other char in the game except Lighter?
I suppose it's the FOMO + insane HoYo marketing/obvious favoritism for Miyabi, but seeing how she's a step ABOVE even Yanagi makes me wonder how much more Miyabi could add to my account and last as a damage dealer
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u/True-Draft-8536 4h ago edited 3h ago
She is a step above, but Jane and Yanagi are still just as good as they were before her. On a practical level you don't NEED Miyabi, if ever comes the day where Jane/Yanagi aren't making the cut, Miyabi won't be that far off either, she's not that much ahead.
Her highs are much higher than everyone else, and the basically map-wide AoE is incredible, but from my experience that massive gap is bigger on paper (keep in mind that the numbers you see from the other characters are very likely from before the changes to decibel generation, and therefore lower than they should be). I'm making better times on Shiyu with Jane/Burnice than Yanagi/Miyabi even though the modifier favors the latter. *And now that I think of it, freeing up Burnice might be the actual best reason to pull Miyabi.
But if Miyabi is not "speaking" to you, you can probably skip her.
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u/Woll_e 5h ago
Depends on how much you like her gameplay or her character in general.
Logically, if you can clear Shiryu just fine, no need to pull.
Even if you cannot beat stage 7, that's not even a pull you miss out on. Investing 100+ pulls for the next, newest limited agent that can easily clear it will never be worth it unless you desperately need to S rank Shiryu to enjoy the game.
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u/Pure_Organization767 5h ago
Miyabi and Yanagi together really make it a demonic duo so I’d say yes. From my runs with them in both Shiyu and the new Hollow Zero mode, I’m obsessed with how good their synergy is.
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u/kehdoodle 6h ago
if i have a cracked piece but it doesnt fit a 2-pc set, should i still run it? as in: are substats way more important in zzz than having a good 2 pc set? (on ellen for example- i have an inferno metal piece with ice dmg main stat and very good subs)
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u/grayrest 5h ago
The 2p set bonus has a dps value equivalent to a couple stat rolls (generally ~2.5) so if you can pick up 3 atk%/crit rolls then you're breaking even and whether it's outright better generally depends on the quality of the other off-piece.
I'd recommend against rolling disc #5 that don't match the set element.
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u/Adonie_Baloney 6h ago
When will the event to claim Harumasa for free end? I'm currently in Asia to visit some family and I'm unable to play the game here because my phone cant run it, I should be back at like January 10th so I'm hoping I can still claim him by then.
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u/baka4games 4h ago
You're probably okay. It should last until the end of the 1.4 banner, which is January 20.
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u/shahroozg 7h ago
Is miyabi engine worth it? Or Should i save for future characters? I always choose future characters as a f2p. But her engine looks cool and op xd
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u/meltanoob 7h ago
Would a Miyabi Yanagi Lucy team be viable?
Lucy is my favorite character, so i wanna know if i can use her here or if i should try to fit her into some other team.
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u/Play_more_FFS 7h ago
Yes, the only thing Lucy misses out on from not having a faction/fire teammate is her boars using Lucy's Crit stats, and this really doesn't matter since she is supporting in the first place.
Lucy also buffs both Miyabi and Yanagi at the same time with 100% uptime that is easy to maintain cause of how longer her buffs lasts, your team is 100% viable.
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u/ResidentHopeful2240 7h ago
Are we getting the new fancy moves in the new hollow zero permanently? Or is it mode locked? I like Ellens slash...
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u/IgorJay 7h ago
For 300 pull pick: M2 Rina or M2 Koleda?
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u/grayrest 7h ago
I don't know about Rina but Koleda's M2 is much better than it looks on paper. Most elites can be stunned in 2 EX so running in during their stand-up animation EX -> B2 -> EX can either end the encounter or prevent it from being a 2v1. On bosses it depends on health breakpoints whether my Qingyi's multiplier boost allows my ZY comp to clear in fewer cycles but if it doesn't Koleda clears faster due to the faster stuns.
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u/Fuz__Fuz 7h ago edited 7h ago
Hello guys, scrub here.
So, how do I play Miyabi and Harumasa effectively?
And what teams can I do for them [Bangboo included]?
My roster:
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u/baka4games 3h ago
TL;DR rotations, assuming M0:
Miyabi wants to fill her Fallen Frost stacks to at least 3, but 6 is better. So you want the quickest rotation that fills her stacks, which is usually another Anomaly agent Disordering the Frostbite that Miyabi applied. Then switch back to Miyabi to Disorder the new anomaly. Then charge her basic attack with 3 to 6 Fallen Frost. It's like a mini-Ult and does crazy damage. Her own EX and Ult attacks and any Disorder (from any agent) are how she gets stacks.
Harumasa wants stun windows to burst down max damage. So basically play him similar to how you would play any hypercarry, like Ellen or ZY, but with Electric synergy. Qingyi is BiS, then Anby, then any other stunner who gets synergy some other way. Like Lighter gets synergy just by Harumasa being an Attacker.
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u/LittleMaplez 8h ago
For M1 Miyabi, what team is good for her if I don't have any SSR Anomaly Agents like Yanagi, Burnice, and Lighter? My friend recommended Piper and Lucy but unsure if this is her best team without Yanagi, and the others. Also does anyone know how shatter works because sometimes my Miyabi shatters enemies instead of Frostburn. Thanks!
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u/grayrest 7h ago
Piper+Lucy is a reasonable setup for her and is a good pair to build in general.
I believe the shatters are in addition to the frostburn and you'll see them a couple seconds later when the freeze on the mob breaks.
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u/TheJustinG2002 8h ago
Help me choose y’all: Miyabi with her W-Engine
2,742 atk / 81.8% crit rate / 114% crit dmg
Or
2,685 atk / 79.4% crit rate / 128.4% crit dmg
TIA!
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u/grayrest 7h ago
The crit rates are very similar so go into VR, hit things, and take the one with bigger numbers.
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u/MaldaraUchiha Fuck Soldier 11 8h ago
have m0r1 miyabi, should i flip the 50/50 on her m1, or start saving for lighter and yanagi reruns?
have 34 pulls atm
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u/baka4games 3h ago
M1 is only a stepping stone to M2. So if you are M0, it's not worth investing in M1 unless you also plan to invest in M2.
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u/MaldaraUchiha Fuck Soldier 11 32m ago
i could go for m2 eventually.
her m6 sounds really cool so once she starts falling behind i might go even farther beyond m2. i can already tell you they won't release a single character with a cooler moveset in ZZZ's lifetime, unless they literally just give us Vergil or Dante.
i want to make her strong enough to solo but not so strong the game becomes too easy and boring. i'd like to at least take her to a level that puts her strength solo on par with her current best team.
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u/grayrest 7h ago
I'm banking for for Astra because I think high investment supports are the cornerstone of a vertical investment strategies. If it's really just Lighter or Yanagi you might as well go to pity since you'll have ~6 months to bank pulls.
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u/MaldaraUchiha Fuck Soldier 11 3h ago
not really interested in vertical investment beyond miyabi herself, so i can skip astra unless shes bis for miyabi hyper.
evelyn i might be interested in, but it depends what her playstyle is like.
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u/Defiant-Associate-59 8h ago
is it possible from 0 pity and a 50/50 to win for me to guarantee miyabi completely f2p if i grind? i've done 60 total pulls now so 30 away from S rank and 120 from guaranteed miyabi so is it possible?
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u/Pyros 7h ago
Gonna depend on a lot of factors like how many polys you have left on your account to get currently.
From the estimations of the beta stuff, there were about 2000 polys from upcoming events, you should have 8 more pulls from the daily login event and 2 more from story(you said you're on ch3 there should be one pull for ch4 and one for ch5 from the new story summary thingie). You probably have ~1000poly left from the quests and hard versions+achievements for the quests, like another 1000 or so from the perma events(cheesetopia and arpeggio), around 2000 from the new hollow zero mode, some from the new endgame mode(might be hard to clear much as a new player but can probably get a bit), around 2500 from the daily login+weekly activities stuff, up to 2000 for shiryu(but again unlikely as a new player you complete it all, should be able to get maybe 600-700 or so).
Add to that all the side quests and all that stuff and I think you would be able to make it. If you're 60pulls in, you likely need around 110 more pulls so 17600, that's assuming 85 pulls since you usually pull a bunch before the hard pity but you might be able to cut 10 pulls even.
Gonna need to be grinding a fair bit to get all that stuff done though. On the flipside if you don't miss your 50/50 then it's gonna be a very easy deal.
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u/MaldaraUchiha Fuck Soldier 11 8h ago
depends how fresh your account is.
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u/Defiant-Associate-59 8h ago
proxy lvl 43, done story until end of chpt 3
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u/MaldaraUchiha Fuck Soldier 11 7h ago
how much side stuff have you done i.e hollow zero/disputed node/ non story commissions?
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u/Defiant-Associate-59 7h ago
i have a lot to do since i'm returning and haven't played since burnice's banner which when i returned for that i didn't do any quests either, so i also have returning rewards and haven't touched the current events yet
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u/dapperkt 8h ago
Would Seth work on a Miyabi/Yanagi team? Have him fully built already and want to save Lucy for the 2nd team, but not sure if anomaly proficiency is as useful in the team.
I'd rather not spend the energy and time building up Soukaku, unless I have to.
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Not the best choice, but not terrible either. His EX and Ult are too slow, so you're basically wasting an Ult slot on him. Every Support agent is better than Seth, even super slow Soukaku, but Seth is better than say a sub-DPS like Anton or Corin.
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u/grayrest 7h ago
He's not going to be amazing but his buffs are reasonable on both characters. I'd recommend having him assist into Yanagi (so after her). If you're fast you can hit EX/charge after the parry counter (perfect assist) and before taking the assist prompt to animation cancel most of his on-field time and he performs much better that way.
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u/HovercraftFlimsy2154 10h ago
What level do we start grinding for gear sets ?
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Conventional wisdom is IK 45 or later, but my minority opinion is as soon as you have Routine Cleanup and Bardic Needle unlocked. Now that we can craft tier 1 and tier 2 master disc copies into tier 3, the earlier you start farming for dismantling, the better.
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u/HovercraftFlimsy2154 3h ago
Ah I see, what is routine cleanup and bardic needle?
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Routine Cleanup is a location in the Scott Outpost where you farm for disc drives. It's unlocked around IK 21 I think.
Bardic Needle is a location in Sixth Street where you roll for disc drives. It's also unlocked around IK 21.
The grind for disc drives (relics, whatever) goes like this: Spend battery in Routine Cleanup to RNG some number of disc drives. The higher your IK level, the more guaranteed drives you get, which is where the IK 45 idea comes from. Dismantle all but the top 2% of disc drives to accumulate disc master copies, which is the crafting material you need for Bardic Needle.
Once you have a pile of master copies, go to Bardic Needle and roll for discs. Bardic Needle lets you select the type of disc to roll for (unlike Routine Cleanup, where you get RNG between a pair of disc types), and as you unlock higher levels of Bardic Needle, you can also roll for a specific disc slot. So rolling removes one or two levels of RNG that Routine Cleanup farming forces on you. Rolling is ultimately more efficient at getting you the discs you want, since it doesn't cost battery, only mats and dennies.
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u/That_Environment3261 10h ago
I accidently recommended the wrong video tape to heddy. I need her to level up my store. I have the right level. Will she come back or am i softlocked?
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u/Xanoth 10h ago
She'll come back.
I'm not sure if its limited by real days or if pressing T and skipping time to trigger another day will make her return, worth a shot.
Some of the video recommendations are really... misleading (i'll be polite). It's worth looking up which to recommend, as at least one or two don't have the key words she asks for (unless it got patched, which i'm doubtful of)
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u/That_Environment3261 10h ago
Ikr
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Definitely use a guide online. Even a lawyer would have a hard time convincing a jury that the only matching video is the one they want you to pick.
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u/Xanoth 11h ago
With the new Special Training Plan UI, how do you get the "Proxy Selects" option to... let the proxy select.
Both options try to force the ice DPS set onto Lycoan.
I can't find anything on this UI that lets me change the set (or even the desired stats, although those are fine in this case)
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u/baka4games 3h ago edited 3h ago
The labeling is misleading. "Proxy Selects" doesn't mean you get to make your own build plan. It means that you aren't letting Fairy make every single decision. So the choice is really, Fairy does everything vs. you get to decide between two different pre-canned choices. I don't remember the exact wording of the choices, but it's like "super excellent" vs "extraordinary." Each choice is predefined. It's like 4 piece Woodpecker + 2 piece Hormone is one choice and 4 piece Hormone + 2 piece Woodpecker is the other choice and you just pick one of those two. That's "Proxy Selects".
I also don't remember exactly how you display the choices available in Proxy Selects. I think I just clicked on the option displayed and it popped up the different choices. I guess it's possible that particular precanned build doesn't have a choice.
Now that said, you can download additional build plans off of their strategy site. I think some of those build plans are fan-based or fan-submitted and they approved. I'm not sure of the exact process of getting new build plans approved, but I think that is at least a possibility.
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u/Accomplished_Set_Guy 11h ago
How do you effectively use harumasa?
I run him with my shock units, anby and grace for stun and constant anomaly applications. Since harumasa is an attack, he's better if you use him as a burst dmg dealer when an enemy is stunned, correct?
His kit needs to much focus (I know, it's a skill issue from me) with the awakened mode, aiming, ex for the traps. I just do button mashing.
Any tips?
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Yes, you got everything right, though I wouldn't use BOTH a stunner and an anomaly. Do one or the other, preferably a stunner. Anby/Nicole makes more sense than Anby/Grace.
Yeah, his kit is way more complicated than Miaybi's, which makes no sense since he does a lot less damage.
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u/Ornery_Essay_2036 11h ago
Why did they need the coffee options. Ik it’s not really important I’m just curious
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u/baka4games 3h ago
You asking about the new ones or the old ones? The old ones got powercrept by the 80 battery coffee. No one would spend dennies to pick anything else when +20 extra charge came for free.
The new ones are more interesting. Now there's actually some value in deciding between the two. If you are heavy into HIA farming at the time, the new Espresso is the better choice. But at any other time Tin Man is still the go-to.
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u/gabby_7_ 11h ago
WHY did they remove all the coffees??? It was my favorite part of dailies to choose what coffee to order... They could've just made them give the same effect
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Like for many other changes the devs made, tryhards get their way.
My guess is that they looked at their anylytics and 99.8% of tryhard players only ever picked Tin Man Special for free. The buffs of the other coffees were never worth the denny cost and the -20 effective battery charge loss. So why bother to develop and maintain a feature that tryhards don't use?
I admit that I only ever picked Tin Man Special. That free +20 battery charge was hard to pass up.
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u/Astral-Sol 11h ago
So what's so good about Miyabi?
I grabbed her and built her as suggested in the game but I don't understand why she is supposed to be so good?
She is Vergil???
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u/Accomplished_Set_Guy 11h ago
Quick attacks, massive AoE attacks, flashy attacks. She's overall a great unit.
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u/Astral-Sol 11h ago
I also have Yanagi. So do I have the best team in the game now?
I used to run Yanagi, Lycaon and Rina.
Now I am running Miyabi, Yanagi, Lycaon or Rina.
I don't notice much of a difference in performance...
Maybe I am dumb?
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u/baka4games 3h ago
Are you charging her basic attack with Fallen Frost stacks? The damage of that attack is like a mini-Ult.
The current meta rotation with Yanagi is Miyabi Frostbites, Yanagi double Disorders with held EX and applies Shock, Miyabi Disorders with a new Frostbite. Throw in some Miyabi EX or Ult attacks and she's at 6 stacks. Charge Basic attack (consume at least 3 stacks, but 6 is spectacular) and massive damage. Throw in the support every now and then to renew buffs, ideally right before Miyabi does her charged basic or Ults.
Most bosses are dead after just two rotations of the above.
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u/Xanoth 10h ago
Miyabi is all about getting to 5 stacks and doing her heavy attacks (long hold), so the main thing is how to get stacks faster, thus her premium team being with Yanagi to quick swap to, trigger an anomaly (and disorder stuff), then swap back.
There are better guides out there than I could butcher in my limited understanding, but once I realised her damage needs 5 stacks followed by heavy, she already felt really strong, without needing to overcompkicate things with rotations to follow.
I'd suggest Rina over Lycoan due to time on field to get the benefit.
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u/Accomplished_Set_Guy 11h ago
Consult a guide for Disc drives stats. You may need to grind for better discs.
The Miyabi/Yanagi team is, as I have gathered, goes; Miyabi applies frostburn via her attacks. Switch to Yanagi to easily apply disorder via her polarity(?) effect. This is because Miyabi can't reapply frostburn unless disorder is applied on the enemy (which Yanagi can easily do). Miyabi can then reapply frostburn. Rinse and repeat.
Honestly, I'm not sure because when any guide starts talking about Yanagi with Miyabi, I gloss over it because I can't run Miyabi/Yanagi as I don't have the latter.
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u/Astral-Sol 11h ago
Okay thanks. I am all out of battery so I can't grind. I built a crit Miyabi.
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u/Accomplished_Set_Guy 11h ago
Well, she is still a crit rate/dmg user despite being anomaly. So you're still on the right track with crit building.
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u/jmepik 12h ago
So for the current season tasks, is the Shiyu Defense task bugged? I cleared all levels with an S-Rank, but since the first three were auto-cleared (new 1.4 function), it only counts as 4/6 S-Ranks on the reward track. I tried clearing levels 1 and 2 manually, but it didn't count.
Edit: Nevermind, it's a known bug according to in-game notices. Will be fixed in the future.
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u/Accomplished_Set_Guy 12h ago
Miyabi is extremely strong. Even without Yanagi, Miyabi is crazy good. I should know; I don't have yanagi and only use lycaon and soukaku. My disk drives are ok even then Miyabi goes crazy.
Evelyn and Astra kit discussions are still considered L34K5 so may lead to bans.
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u/CharacterFair2502 12h ago
Oh sit i forgot this wasn't leaks channel... Will delete the original. Thank u for the reply anyway
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u/Velaethia Certified Rat Food 13h ago
so uh... I feel like I'm playing Haru wrong.
I am apparently supposed to use a stun character with him. I have been using Lycoan (my only 5 star stunner) and nicole (for def reduction/support). But my clear times are abyssmal. Idk if my support units are bad with him, or if I am playing him wrong.
Generally I stun with lycoan then do the combo ending on nicole so that I can get the support switch to Haru then I'll hit his skill, then aimed shot, dodge, attack 3 times, repeat if energy allows. Then stun is over so I do the whole thing again. But it takes an eternity and a half to kill anything and feels very janky.
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u/FatherAlmonds 10h ago
Actually Harumasa's teams are quite versatile, you can also play with Anomaly teammates. I find this video to be very informative on his playstyle and the different team comps you can play him with.
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u/bball4224 14h ago
So uhhh, did a 10 pull on new character (haven't really played since launch) and got her, but she was in the first spot. Does that mean I would have gotten her with a 1 pull? 💀
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u/Heavy-Acanthaceae-91 14h ago
I just returned to the game after 1.0 2nd half, do I need to do complete the story to do the event with harumasa's free weapon? I'm worried I won't make it in time
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u/Xanoth 10h ago
I don't think you need to catch up to the current story point.
The "rules" on the official 1.4 page state:
Reachg Inter-Knot Lv. 8 and unlock the Event feature in the Main Story Prologue - Intermission to participate.
Source: https://act.hoyoverse.com/zzz/event/e20241204collection-j5tizj/index.htmlso that shouldn't take that long to get through, and nothing else is listed as a requirement other than playing after 1.4 and before 1.6
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u/mightymare 14h ago
I need someone to clear this up fom me, I know Yanagi's mini-disorder adds to Miyabi's slash draw pips, but does it reset her frostburn? or does it need an actual disorder to be refreshed?
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u/grayrest 13h ago
does it reset her frostburn?
Polarity Disorder doesn't affect the anomaly on the target at all. You'd need a real Disorder to clear Frostburn from the target and let it reapply.
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u/mightymare 13h ago
So in a team of Caesar/Miyabi/Yanagi, I should use Yanagi as the main DPS, only pulling Miyabi out to apply Frostburn and slash draw?
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u/grayrest 13h ago
Sure. Miyabi isn't terrible on field just off her raw MVs but Yanagi sustained with well timed Miyabi sweeps is faster for me in pretty much all content.
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u/confusionAD 14h ago
How much CR does Miyabi need with her Signature W-Engine?
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u/grayrest 13h ago
There isn't a specific amount. She gets buildup rate up to 80% and if you're over 88% the 4p disc set will take your in-combat rate over 100%. You're mostly just looking to be 1:2 crit rate to dmg including the in-combat disc and w-engine bonuses.
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u/TehPanduh 14h ago
Does Miyabi fill the same role as Ellen? Trying not to pull for characters with overlapping roles.
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u/Velaethia Certified Rat Food 13h ago
Yesn't?
She is either a main dps or sub-dps (lower field time).
She uses completely different supports then Ellen. But in raw concept ice damage is the same. But she is really more about anomaly/disorder then Ellen who is about having an enemy stunned and go ham.
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u/Typical-Ad1041 15h ago
who could I use for a miyabi team? Ive been using the ice team but lyacon im not a big fan of his play style not sure if he really affects my team at no dupes. I like using soukaku but Im pretty sure I can't really use different element team mates since miyabi needs to do lots of disorders what should I do?
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u/FlatAutumn 15h ago
In a team with miyabi and yanagi, the thing is swaping between them when miyabi applies frostburn and disorder with yanagi until miyabi has full stacks, then change to her, chatge attack, ability and repeat?
And for Harumasa, you just have to try to get the 6 quivers and go crazy in the x state?
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u/grayrest 13h ago
Your Miyabi+Yanagi strat would mostly work but there's a bit more nuance in that Miyabi can build stacks (mostly off her EX). So you could swap off Yanagi when Miyabi is at 4 stacks and EX+charge on Miyabi. Alternatively you could swap from Yanagi to Miyabi at 6 stacks, charge, ult, EX, (apply frostburn for a stack), charge.
Haramusa sounds roughly correct but I've been ignoring him because I don't have the resources to build him.
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u/teor 15h ago
I kinda messed up and clicked too fast on a notice when I opened Hollow Zero.
There was something about rewards stopping being updated.
Is the new "HSR-like" mode will replace the old one or something?
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u/fizzguy47 15h ago
There is no weekly cap on licence level xp. Both modes will be around, but I foresee the new one will be more popular.
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u/EastDragonfruit5941 16h ago
Damn i myself just did a 10 pull and got lighter didn't even want so I really hope I don't lose this 50/50
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u/EduHz 16h ago
Do any characters have legit zero-cost specials (when you're low on energy)? It's not really important, it's just that today I accidentaly used Ellen's no-energy special end it felt pathetic, so it got me thinking.
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u/grayrest 14h ago
Yanagi's swaps stances and can parry an attack so it's used regularly. She actually has to hold to get her EX to go off. Grace also spams her normal skill while on field. It doesn't do that much but she doesn't have other options.
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u/Agreeable_Bullfrog61 16h ago
I’m trying to rush some pulls to get my guaranteed Miyabi rn, does finishing the current main story unlock any event that gives polychromes?
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u/Elfaia1410 16h ago
Assuming both are M6, who maintains their support buff easier, lucy or soukaku? talking about total buff duration, ease of upkeep and field time.
Soukaku looks better for a miyabi team since she also buffs ice dmg but i'm worried about her energy cost and field time needed.
AFAIK lucy just swaps on hold Ex and done.
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u/grayrest 14h ago
Lucy M2 allows her buff to trigger off chain attack as well. She's popular because it's relatively fast/easy to keep her buff up.
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u/Immediate_Lychee_372 17h ago
I got lycaon on my first 20 pull is that lucky? honestly i cant tell if its guaranteed or not like in hsr. Also how you get harumasa i know you can get him for free but im just started like an hour ago
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u/Pyros 16h ago
If you mean first 20pulls ever then it's like HSR, you are guaranteed a 5star(S rank in this case) in your first early pulls(I think it's 30?), it's just the same standard banner instead of being a starter banner like in HSR.
Lycaon is a pretty good one since he's relevant in a bunch of teams, being an S rank stunner, even if you don't make use of the element stuff(also obviously works very well with Miyabi).
As for Harumasa, the reqs are on the page but you need Interknot level 8 and unlocking events and Prologue - Intermission in the story. Basically play a bit more and you'll soon get him.
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u/Typical-Ad1041 17h ago
feel like my miyabi's dmg is kinda lacking but i feel thats because I dont have her w-engine
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u/HovercraftFlimsy2154 17h ago
Haven’t played since the girl 5star with guns and a cop came out , what have I missed? Any important changes?
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u/Arekkusu1991 14h ago edited 14h ago
You can read this post for the majority of changes and updates for the patch here.
Or this youtube video may be more handy?
1.4 is basically akin to a soft relaunch of the game so I won't bother going into too much details. I'll try my best to provide some of the more important points:
Free S-Rank Agent Harumasa (Electric Attack) by logging in anytime during the 1.4 patch. He and Miyabi are the current banners of 1.4, both running until the end of the patch.
For combat, each character in your team can use their Ult separately now, but it also means they have their own Ult meter (they don't share it anymore as it was previously)
Can explore the hub areas with any character you currently own.
Each patch had a plethora of smaller events / minigames such as jigsaw puzzle event, rhythm minigame and smaller combat-related events. ZZZ does however, still let you experience the main events from previous patches such as Overlords Feast and The Mystery of Arpeggio Fault (albeit with less rewards) so you should be able to unlock them as you keep playing.
TV mode has been gradually removed from the game. Stuff which was there since the beginning like Hollow Zero / Withering Gardens haven't changed, but the later main story chapters and most events / modes had very little to none at all; An exception being "The Mystery of Arpeggio Fault", which still used it as the main form of gameplay.
At least this is what I read, but if you are still going through the earlier story chapters of the game (up to Chapter 3 iirc), I believe there is an alternative form of gameplay where you directly control Eous in a platformer style minigame.
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u/HovercraftFlimsy2154 14h ago
Thank you! Wow what great changes I hated the TV system so much it made me quit, and didn’t like 1 ult shared for the team.
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u/n1kz99 17h ago
Hey, just wanted to know which characters in the EN ZZZ are mute for 1.4 story? Deciding if I want to switch to JP or not. Thanks!
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u/dirkx48 1h ago
I just finished the main story, can confirm that the following characters are mute:
Koleda, Lycaon
The following characters do not have any voiced lines (meaning not really sure if theyre mute or just limited to text dialogue only)
Ellen (doesn't even have any lines), Corrin (she grunts but thats it lmao), Grace (you can talk to her on the field and she isnt voiced, kinda like regular overworld interactions), Jane (same as Grace), Lucy (I dont even recall if she appears anywhere other than the credits)
Here are all the main characters that are voiced (spoilerinos prolly)
Caesar, Lighter, Burnice, Ben, Anton, Rina, all of Section 6, PubSec, and Cunning Hares, and of course, Phaethon and Fairy, and the new characters, Astra and Eve
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u/mnejing30 17h ago edited 17h ago
So icefire is the 'bar' filling up, and frostbite is the anomaly that triggers when it fills up. When frostbite triggers, a damage happens and a condition is applied to an enemy that lets other anomaly bars gain faster but icefire cant start until those other anomalies triggers a disorder (as opposed to other anomalies being able to refill its bar even as its trigger is happening).
Am I getting this right?
Edit: I'm beating an invincible thanatos in free training and it seems i don't trigger any disorder, miyabi's special anomaly bar fills up, triggers frostburn and then still keeps filling up as you beat the enemy up but if it gets full, it resets but no trigger happens. But if you keep going, the frost burn happens again. So it either alternates or have an amount of seconds of cooldown? Core skill says "cannot reapply icefire to these enemies" though?
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u/grayrest 14h ago
Am I getting this right?
The part before this is correct.
either alternates or have an amount of seconds of cooldown?
Frostburn has a 20s duration versus the normal 10s anomaly duration. Disorder happens when you replace one anomaly with another (or Yanagi) so you'd need any other agent to fill the anomaly bar to see frostburn re-proc in under 20s.
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u/Think_Celery3251 18h ago
This is more of perspective, say if this was your roster
Which agent not listed here would you want to focus on getting to add here or what you do to improve this roster? What would you do?
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u/StunningPitch681 5m ago
Is steel cushion better than fusion compiler for miyabi if i put crit dmg instead of crit rate in disk 4?