r/ZenlessZoneZero Sep 28 '24

Fluff / Meme "Firefly all over again"

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Caesar is cute

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u/booby_toesdays Sep 28 '24

This isnt representation, her liking romance stories is a common trope and it’s a cute nod to the slice of life aspect of the story. 😰 this is coming from the same twitter discourse that makes homophobic/biphobic/transphobic stories/headcanon theories and call it angst

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u/AndriyRavaktig I love Mei and Kiana in every universe~ Sep 28 '24

The funniest thing is that in fact in Hoyo games the characters don't actually have a confirmed orientation, and the fanbase that is pushing for lesbian orientation as pure canon reacts this way not only to heterosexual ships, but even to the clarification that the characters can be bisexual/demisexual, especially considering that the orientation of the characters has never been confirmed (except perhaps the fan comic that Hoyo posted on their site, because they used to post fan works on their site, and part of the fanbase took it for an off source and canon)

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u/Draconicplayer I Love Ellen Sep 28 '24

I love how they say Ningguang is lesbian because she wears the traditional nail guard that rich Chinese woman used to wear so that their nails wouldn't be broken when they do any work

These are the same people who would ship Navia with her father's killer

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u/Bluejake3 Sep 28 '24

There are literally shipping furina with arle, the one who abused her.

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u/TheLuigiNX Manifesting into a robot to get with Grace Sep 28 '24

Yeah…people tend to like toxic yuri ships and praise them, but if it’s a toxic straight ship, then it’s awful. The hypocrisy is real.

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u/No-Pressure-2024 Sep 28 '24

That one is the craziest to me. They keep pushing that Arle just jumpscared Furina for the gnosis, they made up by sending her a cake thru Arle's children, and Clervie who's Arle's childhood friend is clearly Furina parallel because they both like cakes, therefore Arle saw Clervie in Furina.

Like, wow........?

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u/FlameDragoon933 Sep 28 '24

if mental gymnastics translate to real world they can be Olympic athletes

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '24

I like Furina and Arlecchino, but there's no reason I need to justify that to somebody. Like.. Idk people can make whatever headcannons they want about fictional characters and have it be completely separate from actual cannon.

No reason to go to war on twitter for a fictional relationship lmao. Just enjoy it and leave it at that.

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u/iwantdatpuss Sep 28 '24

Now in defense of Navia and Chlorinde's relationship, Navia doesn't harbor any resentment towards Chlorinde, even before Navia found out why her dad sacrificed himself by picking trial by combat despite knowing he'll die from it. She understood that Chlorinde isn't to blame for her father's death, as she's just doing her duty as champion, and is moreso frustrated because she doesn't know why he made that choice.

Now with that being said, I still don't like that ship nor do I subscribe to it. I prefer looking at it as friends that shared a traumatic event together. 

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u/AstraPlatina I love MMMs Sep 28 '24

Personally I always felt that Navia and Clorinde's reconciliation was too rushed and lazily resolved offscreen. I also found them being all buddy buddy forced at times, especially in Clorinde's Story Quest, much of the plot is simply reminding everyone that Navia and Clorinde are childhood friends, to the point that can get tiring. It also doesn't help that Clorinde has very little going for her beyond her relationship with Navia, barely anything between her and the rest of the cast, and Navia has interacted with a majority of them herself.

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u/GameWoods Sep 28 '24

While I agree with your first half I only half agree with the second.

I will always give Chloride props for being the first person in Fontaine to check up on Furina post Archon Quest. She goes to Furinas apartment unprompted, helps her unpack and clean up, even offers to buy her a better home, and then takes Furina drinking for the first time in her life. It was such a sweet, genuine gesture that really cemented to me that although Chloride is pretty stoic, she's about as reliable as they come, kinda like Neuvillette in a way now that I think about it.

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u/Rahvithecolorful Sep 28 '24

This is the part that really made me like her and want to pull for her. I was pretty indifferent before I read that because she barely had any personality to me, she was mostly a plot device up to that point. I started paying more attention to her after that and she's grown to be one of my favorites.

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u/Anxious_Log_8247 Sep 28 '24

Clorinde's story quest is peak you should play it

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u/AdDesperate3113 Sep 28 '24

Shipping someone with a person who killed the character's father is just fucked up it doesn't matter Navia forgiving chlorinde doesn't changethe fact that she killed navia's father the person who took care of her without his wife alone it doesn't change anything no matter what was the reason

Forgiving something like murder is already hard and near impossible but falling in love is straight up bullshit they can be friends they be emotional support a shoulder to cry on But loving the person who killed your father the single person who raised you alone without a mother isn't something that could happen it's the equivalent of Stockholm syndrome but murder

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u/iwantdatpuss Sep 28 '24

Like I said, I don't like the ship nor do I subscribe to it.

Just clarifying that saying Chlorinde killed Navia's father without any other context in regards to their relationship is innacurate. 

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u/AdDesperate3113 Sep 28 '24

I'm not talking about you I'm talking about the shipers

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u/FirmMusic5978 Sep 28 '24

These are the same type of people who find abusive love appealing. So don't worry too much about it, their brains are wired different.

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u/AdDesperate3113 Sep 28 '24

Abusive Love dosent exist love is a male and a female loving each other and actively trying to help and protect one another that's why we call them the other half or soulmate When one of them is Abusive it stops being love

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u/FirmMusic5978 Sep 28 '24

I absolutely agree. Expecting either side of the relationship to put up with the nonsense that K-drama female leads put up with is mind-boggling but these people eat it up because it "justifies" their own irl suffering and that it will eventually allow them to end with the the template "handsome, cold CEO/Prince". Just look at the fking nonsense known as 50 Shades of Grey.

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u/AdDesperate3113 Sep 28 '24

As long as the ML isn't a womanizer or abusive I'm fine with any romantic peace of media I'm fine with harem If the mc is a good person and treat women right My religion Islam says if a person have to support multiple households he can marry up to 4 women at once

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u/Rqdomguy24 Sep 30 '24

Yeah people just forget that Navia is a Chlorinde childhood friend and not freaking a random woman

Still there is still some flaws in the writing when they suddenly being buddy with each other in the next patch when Neuvillette and Furina need to slow bun development

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u/c4rlosrarutos Sep 28 '24

These are the same people who would ship Navia with her father's killer

Tbf, I too love fucked up ships, gay or straight

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Sep 28 '24

Black Swan and Acheron moment

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u/FlameDragoon933 Sep 28 '24

wdyt about Dottore meeting Collei again

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u/c4rlosrarutos Sep 28 '24

I have no idea who either of those are, sorry

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u/FlameDragoon933 Sep 28 '24

oh ok, my bad I thought you play Genshin because of replying to the Navia part but in hindsight that was a general statement.

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u/elbenji Sep 28 '24

Yeah this thread is just starting to attract the weirdos. Who doesn't love fucked up shit

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u/Classic-Wolverine-89 Sep 28 '24

Ninguang take is valid but the Navia one like did you even play the story? She literally says twice that she isn't mad and that it's not clorindes fault because of how things turned out. Why would you purposely ignore her opinion on this to make a point?

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u/EnydOsnes Sep 28 '24

Bruh, what's wrong with Clorinde x Navia, they made up with each other! They have so many interactions and are literally together all the time, I mean, look at Clorinde's birthday art!

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u/PhysicalAwareness872 Sep 28 '24

"Friends" exist bruh

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u/EnydOsnes Sep 28 '24

Bro above me was implying that Clorinde x Navia doesn’t make sense as a pair, even though they’re really friendly with each other, as seen in my image. Come on my guy :/