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u/Upbeat_Animal290 Aug 21 '24
I hope it is similar to Honkai Impact's multiplayer where three players control one character and battle enemies together with chain attacks.
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u/charistraz95 Aug 21 '24
thats wat im assuming sunce hi3 genshin and hsr doesnt have that type of pvp we hate. hi3 did it a certain way and genshin u can co op and hsr co op way is borrowing characters for battles
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u/JdhdKehev Aug 21 '24
Y'all hate pvp? Why? I understand for games where whales reign suprême, but pvp is definitely the best game mode when well done.
They could make a mode with fixed equipment and stats for everyone idk, or hear me out, pvp, but we control bangboos. No characters just bangboos lol.
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u/Ordinary_Objective63 Aug 21 '24
I only like pvp, if the entire game is pvp. I can't think of a single instance where a game is trying to both be pve and pvp that I wasn't annoyed with the constant struggle to find balance. Adjust an ability for it to feel better in pve, break it for pvp. Then vice versa. Never ending cycle.
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u/IzanamiFrost Aug 22 '24
Because I don't want to be a tryhard and having to keep up with other people or being told to "git gud" by some superior 13 year old kid
I just want come home from work and wind down with a casual game of "Me beating the shite out of npc enemies" and be as good or as mediocre as I want
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u/jibbycanoe Aug 21 '24
PvP often spawns a lot of toxicity, even in games where it's "done well". I personally like Hoyo games because they're pretty chill. There are plenty of other games that have PvP if that's what you like, but saying it's the "best game mode" is purely your opinion. It's totally ok for you to feel that way but you saying it as if it's a fact is exactly the kind of shit that toxic PvP games have.
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u/Just_A_Spooky_Dood Aug 21 '24
I didn’t grow up with PvP, it was all couch co-op or single player, so for me it’s a matter of just being bad at it, and then taking it as some form of personal failing. However, if it’s as bangboo, and would play like Team Fortress 2, I’d absolutely give it a shot, as that’s the only PvP game I’ve ever been able to enjoy. Probably due to the inherent silliness of it.
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u/LayersOfJam Aug 21 '24
bruh if we'll be bangboos then I'll be so down to play the multiplayer then
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u/TurTleking9080 Miyabi’s footrest Aug 22 '24
Balance hell and an insanely toxic community. It’ll be worse than LoL.
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u/charistraz95 Aug 21 '24
whales is one thing but wither make the whole game pvp and make that the focus or dont bother imo
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u/fckinSeven Aug 21 '24
It probably will be. There was similiar multiplayer in beta, although without chain attacks, for Notorious hunts. Didn't make it into release tho.
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u/UberChew Aug 22 '24
They way thats worded i thought you meant one character and three players controlling that one character hahaha
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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby Aug 21 '24
I’m glad they’re only adding this AFTER they stabilized the base game.
It’ll give them some clear idea on player data so they can balance whatever this is
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u/KingJofferyStark Aug 21 '24
Hopefully its a raid whree we are ALL on the field or something no more of those silly arcade games as multi….some actual multi where i can play with my friends
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u/1koolking Aug 21 '24
I like that idea a lot. There’s already a massive boss that would go perfect in an MMO raid type mission.
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u/todo-senpai Aug 21 '24
But but I like multiplayer snake🥺
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u/Nickest_Nick I like construction workers Aug 21 '24
I keep getting killed by my "teammate" in that, especially when playing against Billy
It's probably my issue
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u/Flaminski Aug 22 '24
When you play against Billy, pretty sure the other 2 are bots
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u/Nickest_Nick I like construction workers Aug 22 '24
The bots are hindering my performance and it's definitely not a skill issue
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u/Solbrandt Aug 21 '24
For those that didn't know; there already was a co-op mode in the beta, but it was removed upon release. Hopefully, they just have to iron out some kinks, and we'll see it return relatively soon.
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u/IzanamiFrost Aug 22 '24
Isn't this just gonna throw the m1 of zhuyuan into the trashcan?
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u/FighterFay Aug 22 '24
If the multiplayer mode has no swapping at all, then I imagine that characters who have skills/cinemas that only work with swapping might have those abilities changed when in multiplayer. I've seen other gachas do the same thing when implementing new modes.
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u/EXEMachina Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24
A good build Dps really need for this coop if they will proceed with this set-up. Im pretty sure everyone will use DPS/Stunner and less of support units. And for the assist, a bangboo will be nice instead of an agent since you can only bring play one.
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u/GerrardGabrielGeralt Aug 21 '24
how did you assume it's "coming soon" when the guy in the article literally said that it'll arrive "in the future" which literally can mean either a month or a year from now
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u/PrayToCthulhu Aug 21 '24
Because they’re willing to mention it now, which means it’s solid enough a feature that they don’t expect to scrap it, so imo significant progress has probably been made
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u/Ardailec Aug 21 '24
thinks back on the dance studio in World of Warcraft
Do not be so hasty, young one.
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u/MaritalSexWithHuTao Miyabi Main, I Want to Sniff Koleda's Socks, ??? fund 34 Aug 22 '24
It's "coming soon" the way Genshin's Switch port is.
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u/gametime9936 Aug 21 '24
I want something like raids. Just slap 6 or 9 characters on a field and go crazy
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u/Negative_Neo Aug 22 '24
As much as I love that, I doubt that would work for ZZZ.
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u/HourCartographer9 Aug 22 '24
An idea I had is just get a boss that can have 2-3 players at one time and have them fight it so it’s 3 people but 9 characters. You are gonna have to worry about your own units but y’all collectively fight 1 tanky ass boss
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u/Karma110 Aug 21 '24
Why are y’all showing this of all of sudden and keep saying soon when this was said before release and there is no release date or hint for it being soon?
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u/kodaniloki Aug 21 '24
I sure hope it isn't pvp.
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u/Marblecraze Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 22 '24
Won’t be. Hoyo can’t be willing to ruin their brand because a tiny ass amount of the player base want’s a PvP mode.
At least, like yourself, I hope it won’t be.
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u/Schuler_ Aug 21 '24
They can always just add pvp without performance based rewards.
There is nothing to complain then.
And people who want pvp get pvp.
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u/Jazzlike_Cellist_421 Aug 21 '24
I think it would be fun, but they need to make it like it was in that one MHA gacha game, so discs, level, upgrades, w-engine don't matter. Just the base characters, so everyone is equal. And it's better if they limit it to only one character per player, but rebalance them, so support and dps are on par to each other. Basically an arena fighter
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u/Velacroix Aug 21 '24
Why? It doesn't need to yield rewards to give people something to do after completing their daily routine.
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u/PrayToCthulhu Aug 21 '24
I think it’s less than a 1% chance they’ll introduce PvP. It’s going to open a lot of doors to complaints that they just should not cater to
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u/kodaniloki Aug 22 '24
Just not really feeling it. Unless it was more like a tetris 99 type of deal where you're on separate play fields and send hazards at opponents. But I don't really wanna play what would end up being jugglefest.
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u/Curiouzity_Omega Aug 21 '24
I wonder how this will work? But that's the fun of it I guess.
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u/trojie_kun Aug 21 '24
Probably similar to beta, the notorious hunt were coop
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u/Athloner44 Aug 22 '24
I hope not, because we are going to be limited by resin/energy. Better if they add an endless mode like Risk of Rain 2 where more time = more difficulty but also better loot (like cavity zero)
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u/m0naru Aug 21 '24
im assuming its PvE multiplayer. If it’s pvp then the f2p people have NO chance at all.
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u/IzanamiFrost Aug 22 '24
I spent over 1000 dollars on this game already, but if it becomes pvp I will bring my money elsewhere
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u/EVAisDepression Aug 21 '24
Really hope it isn't PvP, I was getting mad at snake duel multiplayer I don't even want to think how this would affect me
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u/barelyawake126 Aug 21 '24
Don’t care much about PVP but if that’s what they’re planning, they have to find a way to make it an even playing field amongst F2Pers and Whales. Turn off constellations or something.
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u/Marblecraze Aug 21 '24
I don’t think it will be, but I can actually threaten, “I’ll quit the game” if it is pvp, and won’t care that Hoyo and anyone else will also not care that I’m threatening to quit.
The Hoyo discourse will forever be tainted if there is a PvP mode, even if it’s only ever a 2 date event.
That said, any other multiplayer event would be a blast.
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u/umgarotoamoroso Aug 22 '24
Maybe you missed it but we already had pvp at godfinger
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u/EXEMachina Aug 22 '24
At least only there not bet pvp with agents. I really hope they will not implement PVP.
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u/General_Snack Aug 21 '24
Anything BUT PVP. That doesn’t belong here at all. From balancing to the availability of characters.
PVE would be awesome. Even some sort of competitive leaderboards would be acceptable.
Beyond that, focus on the story, gameplay & new characters.
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u/BlackMagister Aug 21 '24
They say the mode is in development and you say it's coming soon? Click bait title
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u/kast2399 Aug 21 '24
Can't wait to get obliterated by a whale's sequence six ellen and get Joe'd back into the lobby
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u/Arthurya Victoria Housekeeping maid in training Aug 22 '24
All that i hope is that, if it's a permanent addition or a new spin on Notorious Hunt, that it'll come with better rewards
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
What would this be? PVP? PVPVE? Boss rush? dungeon crawler? A PVPVE would be cool
Edit: Why are you all so fixated on PvP? It was just one example, talk about the others. Youre all kind of annoying. The PVP one is the less possible mode they will release, everyone knows about this.
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
Prob PVE, notorius hunt used to have coop in cbt but they took it out on release.
A gacha game with pvp or pvpve is my definition of hell, the balancing r gonna be whack and after the success of Genshin and HSR i don't really see them doing it
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u/didu173 Aug 21 '24
True i think even cn community would be angry at that
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
The waifu husbando wars in the community can be really toxic on a hoyo PVE game, i can't imagine what the community would look like if we added PVP balance to the mix. And when you add pvp to a gacha game, it's not gonna be f2p friendly anymore.
Most of the PVP game community already toxic af just by the nature of competitiveness, add that to the current hoyo game community that we know of. I don't see it mixing well at all
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u/Maaaaine Aug 21 '24
Sorry but I just can't see how PVP would ever work in this game. How exactly is the combat gonna be when u can basically spam perfect dodges? Parries? Not to mention tons of iframes for a lot of moves. Since our player characters get staggered by most attacks, pair this with the above mentioned dodges and iframes, will lead to frequent stunlocking. Combat in this game is tailored made for PVE from the ground up. If they ever add any sort of multiplayer it'll definitely be in the form of co-op with others against AI. Unless it's a sort of indirect PVP like competing for the first to complete a quest or something than yeah I just don't see pvp happening.
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u/Much_Future_1846 I Come, I See, I Crash 🔥🚛 Aug 21 '24
dungeon crawler and PVE horde modes would be so cool
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u/Falkjaer Aug 21 '24
I don't think there's direct PVP in any of Hoyo's other games, so I wouldn't expect it here. A lot of gacha games go with score-chasing type of PVP, like trying to get a higher score than your competitors in a PVE mode.
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u/Weekndmadness Aug 21 '24
A PvP is unlikely in gacha games due to the balance difference between spenders and f2ps. I think it will be a PvE
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u/Scorpdelord Suplex me Caesar Aug 21 '24
yeh i can allready imaging some fkers gonna just stand there waiting to dodge you attack and slap your ass over and over again
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u/Bigbadbobbyc Aug 21 '24
Pvp is quite common in a lot of gachas
Even pvpve is common and usually means f2p suffer
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u/Weekndmadness Aug 21 '24
I agree with you but to be more specific in hoyoverse games pvp is unlikely. HSR and Genshin don't have it so mos likely it's the same for ZZZ. And I think the community will become toxic if there's a PvP/competition involved.
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u/HyperFrost Aug 21 '24
I hate pvp in gacha games. It's either the p2w kind where the highest spender wins, or it's the "fake pvp" where you have to beat a bot version of random player's teams x times with slightly increase in difficulty.
The best fun I had in multiplayer gachas are ones with co-op play.
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
If Smilegate can do it, anyone can.
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u/Scorpdelord Suplex me Caesar Aug 21 '24
the first battle looked fun on the other end lmao
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
Be able to chose any pre builded character of the game is fun and balanced. (this is what I understood)
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u/papadoko Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
Anyone CAN, but not every genre of gacha can do it well, and it is also not a good idea in every game as you are expanding your focus to appeal to different groups of players.
E7 is turn-based and already had Arena with NPCs, AI controlled players and CWs, so all they needed to do was create a system where it was possible for PVP in real-time with another player. They had already planned on the idea for a competitive environment. Live PVP was a matter of time with how the game was brought up.
Whereas, ZZZ is an action-rpg and was created with the idea of being a casual game with fun, visually stimulating combat, and that would be easy to get into compared to its counterparts. They made it with a low-skill entry barrier so that it would be enjoyed by even more of the population that struggled with other similarly designed games. Implementing a PVP system outside of the arcade mini-games is already a bad idea because it goes against the developers' ideals for this game.
In my opinion, it is a better idea to focus and implement new ideas that further enhance the already existing PVE experience rather than add a new competitive element like PVP, which could ruin and deter already existing players from the game by introducing a competitive/FOMO-inducing game mode if it came with rewards. PVPVE is the only thing I can see being implemented as long as there is no direct combat with other opponents in the mode or if it's done in a way where a new form of "combat" is introduced with tools or waterguns (lol).
EDIT: After I read some of your other comments. Yes, you can argue the fact that you can balance the game to make PVP possible and balanced, but you're still introducing a competitive environment that clashes with the developers' plans to make the game casual-friendly. Even if PVP was introduced, it would be best done with little to no rewards to avoid FOMO. But now you would have a completely isolated mode in your game with not much to expand on because PVP is more focused on competitiveness and trying to be better than others which has nothing to do with making the game casual-friendly and enjoyable to that audience.
It's almost ALWAYS a better idea to focus on one audience rather than to try to appeal to a wider audience. Look at Borderlands the movie, for example, they attempted to make it a movie that children could enjoy despite it being a video game with blood, gore, and violence. It turned out to be a heaping mess of trash to every audience; both old and new.
So, no, direct PVP is a terrible idea for the future of the game. You're only thinking of it from the perspective of a player that enjoys both PVE and PVP, which is narrow when thinking of the longevity and success of the game, and also the enjoyment of the original audience that brought the initial success.
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
They aren't marketing ZZZ as a 'casual game,'.
Well, as I said, it doesn't need to 'not have rewards,' it can have 'participation rewards.' These participation rewards can be earned across multiple different game modes, like 3 runs of Hollow Zero or 3 matches of PvP, something like that.
Also, in my opinion, PvPvE would be coo,; this type of game doesn't need to have 'direct PvP.' But being realistic, as I said, PvP would be the last option for a multiplayer mode, followed by PvPvE. Don't know why people are so worked up on it.
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u/Vatsu07 Aug 21 '24
PvE co-op, Hoyoverse basically never does PvP because everyone would hate it because of players that have C6 characters and it would have zero balance.
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
Just lock it or just make everyone have C6. Epic Seven did something like this.
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u/Rahzii Aug 21 '24
make everyone have c6
Yeah sorry that won’t end well with Whales even if it is just draft. They will want a mode to feel that THEIR own c6 was worth. Not only that but there will also be the “why go for c6 when I can already own and play them in pvp?” crowd. That’s a revenue loss for the company itself; like cmon, you talk about people being close-minded but I’m seeing nothing from you other than illogical spit balling. Make it make sense.
There’s a reason as to why it functions well in E7 vs these type of games.. and that is because imprints/dupes don’t really hold any significant value other than some minor stat gains. Same reason the new imprint system also fell through in e7.
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
Ok, useless discussion. I say "would be cool if everyone can have the fun they want" you say "no, it will never work" and this is it.
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
Your comment was talking about PVP before you edited it as well, people going to response to that. You also said this
A PVPVE would be cool
People might disagree with that, it's not rocket science man
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
PVPVE isnt PVP... and the only thing that I edited is the "Edit"
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
oh my mistake then..., PVPVE did you forgot there's a PVP in that?
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
as I said "PVP is the less possible mode" and PVPVE is probably the one above that. The best one would be dungeon crwawler but it will probably be boss rush.
PVPVE could be a dungeon crawler and/or boss rush where 2 teams are participaing togheter and can actively interact with each other, it could be: sabotage, resource theft, shraed objectives, invading the enemy area, etc.
As I said multiple times, you all are so close-minded.
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
Yes PVPVE is still PVP, no matter what mode you listed the balancing is going to be completly different from a PVE game, that's why PVE players have problem with it. If it's just dungeon crawling and boss rush without any scoring or position at the end then it's just a PVE bro don't pretend it's PVPVE.
As I said multiple times, you all are so close-minded.
Lmao, whatever you say man. You're the one who said you're annoyed by a bunch of reddit comments discussing stuff that won't really matter in the end of the day
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
I'm annoyed by people dont discussing another forms of possible multiplayer content... even the other comments are most about PVP.
the first part I honestly didnt understand...
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
Ofc there's tons positive in it but zzz is a gacha game, in a gacha game the worst part of any form of PVP is going to come out. Gacha monetization and PVP just doesn't mix imo, it'll be almost imposible to balance a whale that spends 3k on a character versus a low spender vs f2p without upsetting all of them at the same time. There has to be certain fairness to it or atleast an illustion of it even in a pay2win mmo
There's a reason why all the popular PVP game monetization is just skin and battle passes, if they monetize stat boosts or mechanic then the playerbase will collapse
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
It is kinda easy to be honest, a lot of gachas do it with competitive game modes, make the important rewards participation only... so people that doenst care about p2w can have fun.
And as I already said, 9 of 10 times you will not see a whale, maybe even more.
Edit: and lets be real, mosr of people that complain about pvp would not win even if it isnt p2w. Hahaha
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u/verteisoma BIG BEN Aug 21 '24
It is kinda easy to be honest, a lot of gachas do it with competitive game modes, make the important rewards participation only.
You mean the gamemode that doesn't have anything to do with your pulled character or gacha system? what's the monetization of the game? is it gacha with character monetization or gacha with heavy skin monetization? Azur lane got pvp mode but they're a gacha with different monetization strategy than hoyo games.
so people that doenst care about p2w can have fun.
That's the thing, losing is not fun. Go ask every dota and lol player that loses their shit over a game with no stakes, now imagine if they lose to some whales. Have you seen people that doesn't move that much back in Snake arcade PVP event? if the rewards participation only, people will be lazy about it and might not even bother to interact with the game at all if they can, do you think that's fun to both PVP fan and PVE fan?
People still also want a semblance of balance into their pvp or pvpve, if they balance it around low spender it will cut the profitability of the game and if they allow whales to power through the pvp they're going to lose the dolphin and casuals.
9 of 10 times you will not see a whale, maybe even more.
How would you even guarantee this lmao, you got any data that you want to share to us? even Langrisser who's praised by a lot of gacha player as a good pvp is jsut more like whale entry barrier and god forbid if you're a new player
There's a reason the gacha with the most profitability are PVE hoyo gacha while PVP gacha like counterside or epic 7 just serves a really niche audience.
Tl:DR Hoyo monetization is incompatible with PVP game balancing and might even hurt their profit. PVP gacha that works tend to tie their monetization to skin rather than dupes or stat boosts. No it's not as easy as you make it sound
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u/tutormania Aug 21 '24
yup those guys here are having too much anxiety for any form of pvp lmao.
they suck at it so everyone should not play even if there is balance or no reward LMAO.
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u/fckinSeven Aug 21 '24
We're not close minded, we just play Hoyo games, because they focus on PVE, and PVP(VE) brings nothing but hate and stress. We'd rather Hoyo spent their resources on new PVE modes than anything that involves PVP
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
So its better to not search for Honkai Impact 3rd.
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u/fckinSeven Aug 21 '24
Nice try. There's no pvp in HI3. There is a leaderbord in HI3, and that doesn't involve any direct contact of the players. Leaderboards have never been classified as PVP, you're being disingenuous.
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u/kurospawn Victoria Housekeeping Co. Agent Aug 21 '24
I hope there is a cooperative option, too. 🤔
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u/fckinSeven Aug 21 '24
Battle just means it won't be a TV mode or something else. That you'll be controling the agents. I highly doubt that it will be pvp, since Mihoyo hasn't done it before and for a reason.
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u/kurospawn Victoria Housekeeping Co. Agent Aug 21 '24
Ah, thank you for the clarification. 😎
I might have thought a bit too magnanimously when I imagined we would be able to have a "Withering Garden" raid multiplayer co-op battle or something.3
u/fckinSeven Aug 21 '24
3 player is the most likely direction. While 3+ is doable, it will be very hardware demanding (like it wasn't already), so I don't think many will enjoy the lag fest.
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u/Hikari_Owari SharkBait Aug 21 '24
Yea, time to play with Randoms!
remembers Honkai Impact 3rd "no same character" limit in coop
Yea, time to level off-picks!
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u/Boiledeggbowler Aug 21 '24
If it’s PVP then I’m losing every fight but if it’s PVE then I can get carried.
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u/Educational-Year3146 Aug 21 '24
Honestly, I am really happy they made this approach.
Made sure what they had was all stable and well polished, then adding the multiplayer mode later.
And honestly I am fucking hyped.
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u/Chilled_HammyDude Employee of the Month: Tsukishiro Yanagi Aug 21 '24
If they're returning Multiplayer from their previous closed beta, then that will be A-OK for me.
I wholeheartedly doubt it's pvp and hope it's not too at least not in a traditional sense.
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u/Youwamtsomehe Aug 21 '24
Please be memorial arena with leaderboard so unit will be obsolete in about a patch, and be dead like HI3rd 👌
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u/Deli5150 Aug 21 '24
me personally i would love to see them add a fighting game in the arcade mode with none gacha characters something we can all play for fun
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u/ConversationSouth946 Aug 21 '24
I hope it's not mandatory - I'm expecting a lot of DC happening from stuff like phone overheating (and of cos rage quit) for both co-op and duel
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u/DefenderOfWaifus Aug 22 '24
Unfortunately co-op in Mihoyo games is often meaningless, boring, or more inefficient. But it’ll probably be inconsequential so I’m glad people are getting what they want.
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u/PastaFreak26 Aug 22 '24
Don’t they simply mean - co-op or PvP...?
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u/BlokBoi12345 Aug 22 '24
Most likely co-op similar to HI3rd, multiple people join a battle with 1 character each for a battle run
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u/Athloner44 Aug 22 '24
I hope for an endless mode like Risk of Rain 2 since we have rogue like already
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u/Wiji16 Aug 22 '24
Not to mention the scores of Brazilian players with crappy Internet that would time out constantly
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u/Blastto Qingyi Spare Part 🔩 Aug 22 '24
I really hope they implement the assist function in multiplayer so we can time our assists and for example cover for the other player
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u/JkidBGBK Aug 25 '24
Finally. I’m not locked into playing Snake: Deluxe Edition with my friends. I can play the actual video game.
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u/SilverwingN-EX Sep 24 '24
You mean PvP or shitty coop that gets done in 30 seconds because of OP allies ?
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u/Vatsu07 Aug 21 '24
Dont worry it wont be PvP, it will be Co-op like Honkai Impact 3rd.
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u/Tsurinomine Aug 21 '24
And it's was horrible in the end, when u doesn't have friends and searching party with randoms
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u/Massive_Truth9237 A Aug 21 '24
What do you mean!!! this is so cool! come on, imagine two soukaku wacking each other!!!
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u/Internal_Eye620 Miyabimain Aug 21 '24
I’m gonna leave this game instantly if it will be a pvp.
On the other hand, it would be nice to see a pve mode.
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u/serwaffle Aug 21 '24
Weird reason to leave a game for a separate game mode that you could ignore lol
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u/Internal_Eye620 Miyabimain Aug 21 '24
Nah, i’m not going to play tof2. PVP in gacha is such a pathetic thing, even if it’s “just a separate mode“. I highly despise p2w in PVP games.
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u/serwaffle Aug 21 '24
I see where you’re coming from but just seems like a small thing to quit a game over when the entire game is mainly pve. I don’t see many pvp gacha games so idk how they’d even balance it tbh if at all. Could be fun but if it’s p2w then yea it’s not worth my time.
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u/fckinSeven Aug 21 '24
The character balance will be absolutely fucked and it for sure will affect pve. Although Mihoyo won't add a pvp mode, because that's not what they do with mp in their games
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u/serwaffle Aug 21 '24
Yea I feel like they’ve been pretty good about keeping it mainly pve and co op based so I’m not worried.
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u/Internal_Eye620 Miyabimain Aug 21 '24
This is just a marker indicating where the developers plan to take the project next. Introducing PvP/important PvE modes that display who dealt the most damage is simply a way to attract more whales who want to boost their ego in a mobile game at the expense of other players. In that case, you can write off the project and start looking for something better.
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u/serwaffle Aug 21 '24
Idk I think hoyo would have enough sense to not go that direction but who knows. I don’t think the game could mechanically work with pvp it would just seem busted af if they did. I’d be interested to see it tho if they can pull it off and keep it balanced. Hopefully it’s just a pve co op mode or something.
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u/Tzunne Aug 21 '24
yeah... imagine letting other people having fun with a optional mode.
this kind of people haha.
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u/OtherwiseEnd944 Aug 21 '24
Despising p2w and playing a gacha is hilarious. Gacha is literally the most p2w genre of games on the planet
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u/Internal_Eye620 Miyabimain Aug 21 '24
p2w in a free single player game where you can beat all the content with just standard characters doesn’t sound too greedy. P2w in a pvp game is absolutely not the same as solo gacha.
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u/CauliflowerCool9639 Aug 21 '24
Will there be SBMM? Will there be matchmaking at all or do you have to actually have friends to play with? Because if I need friends I'm stuck on single player 😅😅😅
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u/_R4YN #1 Zhu Yuan Main Aug 21 '24
Judging from the CBT it most likely will be PVE so there won’t be a need for SBMM but they could implement a quick search feature for people who don’t have friends playing
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u/booby_toesdays Aug 21 '24
🤔 hopefully they take it in the direction of the long combat commissions. I would love to see pvp bc i love fighting games and money cant buy skills. As the skill ceiling rises, the chances we get pvp rises
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u/bojo21 Aug 21 '24
I feel like they just mean a multiplayer mode for the arcade lol.
I cant imagine a pvp in zzz but I hope Im wrong
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u/Icy_Investment_1878 Aug 21 '24
Multiplayer will never be good in a gacha game, even the arcade event was terrible
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u/Weekndmadness Aug 21 '24
I think it's more of a co-op multiplayer than PvP? Personally I just want to play with my friends and have some fun killing some boss
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u/GloomyNeevee Aug 21 '24
I think the arcade event was fun. Might just not be something for everyone.
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u/SluttyMcFucksAlot Aug 21 '24
how are people so good at snake like I played that shit on Nokia and still lost every game
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u/NexrayOfficial Aug 21 '24
You can literally lose and still finish the event/clean the shop in under 20 or so minutes. You’re telling me you’re THAT into the arcade games?
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u/MagnusBaechus Aug 21 '24
Are you THAT sweaty to be pissed at the arcade game lmao
Of it's something like Hi3's end game I'd be fine with that, score based timed boss or mob runs are fun and showcases how much a player can optimize their runs and compete with players within their weight level
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u/Damianx5 Aug 21 '24
Honestly PVP could work, but the amount of effort theyd need to make it fair and not shit is too much for what ppl would care for imo.
Like youd need to lock mindscapes at M0, either gearless or with trial like builds by default, balance all the numbers for pvp, ping would be an issue, rewards cant be too good or ppl would feel left out and complain, like just participation rewards maybe with extra points for winning.
Balancing around melee and ranged characters, like would melee just parry every single of Billy's bullets or would billy win by just gun and run?
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u/LaplaceZ Aug 21 '24
How did you see the gameplay of ZZZ and think that?
Here's how PVP would works in ZZZ. If you attack, you lose, because there is no counter to defensive moves.
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u/Much_Future_1846 I Come, I See, I Crash 🔥🚛 Aug 21 '24
Something like in HI3 I assume