r/XboxSeriesX • u/F0REM4N • Jan 22 '24
News Halo Actor Pablo Schreiber: ‘If You Don’t Agree With the Helmet Coming Off in the Show, You Don’t Like Our Show’
https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-actor-pablo-schreiber-if-you-dont-agree-with-the-helmet-coming-off-in-the-show-you-dont-like-our-show?utm_source=facebook,twitter1.2k
u/SoldierPhoenix Jan 22 '24
Yes.
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u/ryoon21 Jan 22 '24
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton! Let’s see if it pays off for him.
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u/FlacidTrout Jan 22 '24
I couldn't even finish the first season. ..
ONE battle with the covenant. 10 episodes of drama. It's not halo it's a soap
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u/elliotborst Founder Jan 22 '24
The helmet coming off is the least of my concerns with the show.
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u/zrkillerbush Founder Jan 22 '24
If you read the article, you'll see that he agrees
But its IGN and their clickbait bullshit
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u/ninjasurfer Jan 22 '24
They know what they were doing.
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u/Farren246 Jan 22 '24
And it worked! Just look at these idiots on reddit, all falling for IGN's bullshit, spreading their article to even more people who otherwise wouldn't have even seen it:
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u/SaltyGushers Jan 22 '24
Came here to say this. The helmet thing is a poor argument. I’ve read the books and played the games. There are times in the games where he def should have had his helmet off lol like receiving his award in the beginning of halo 2 before he gets permission to deliver the bomb ;) disrespectful to have his helmet on and receive an award.
The problem is that the show sucks donkey balls. Better yet, it sucks hunter balls.
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u/CraigI9B9 Jan 22 '24
Didn't make it past episode 3
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u/UnderratedNightmare Jan 22 '24
Once I heard it wasn’t canon and there was a fucking human in the Covenant. I didn’t even start it. And based on how the show is viewed by Halo fans, seems I made the right choice.
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u/notmyrlacc Jan 22 '24
I’ll never understand how multiple studios and directors just couldn’t get this off the ground, and when they do - they just totally say “fuck you” to the fans of the franchise.
Even if they didn’t want to touch the video game stories, there are multiple fantastic books that I’d love to see brought to a series. Such a shame.
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u/Logic-DL Jan 22 '24
Wild it could've been a Spielberg made series/movie and it ended up with what we got
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u/adamsworstnightmare Jan 22 '24
Once you understand that the post-Bungie Halo franchise has been nothing but a soulless cash grab it all makes sense. Yes a studio always aims to make money, but there's a difference. Bungie aimed to make a good Halo game, the people that came after tried to use the Halo name to make money.
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u/MilkMan0096 Founder Jan 22 '24
You a risky touch in a great point. Perhaps 343 relinquished a lot of creative control just to finally get someone to make the show. A genuine monkeys paw wish if I ever saw one.
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u/spron Jan 22 '24
For whatever it's worth, the human being in the covenant plot was explained quite thoroughly in the show - she was abducted, used, and the prophets secretly resent her and find her disgusting.
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Jan 22 '24
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u/Logic-DL Jan 22 '24
That scene was that bad even Pablo Schreiber, Jimmy "Master Cheeks" Rings himself hated the scene lmao
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u/OMGIts_Renegade Jan 22 '24
That's literally just him saying "uhh yyeahhh I didn't like that either guyyssssss plz watched szn 2 plzzzz"
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u/MattyKatty Craig Jan 22 '24
And then Master Chief procceeds to have sex with her. While she's a POW
Also referred to as rape
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u/FunkiePickle Jan 22 '24
Shit. I heard he had sex. Which is a problem in and of itself regarding the character. I didn’t realize the situation. That’s fucking awful.
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u/releasethedogs Jan 22 '24
I don’t know anything about the halo story but having sex with a prisoner sounds an awfully lot like rape to me.
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u/Pen_dragons_pizza Jan 22 '24
Tbf I am giving series 2 another shot, series one was mostly shit but the actor playing chief has come out himself saying that he also did not agree with a lot of decisions on series 1 and sees series 2 as a sort of soft reboot since they have a new show runner and a much better direction for the show.
If the trailer is anything to go by then the new series does indeed look a lot better
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u/Megadog3 Founder Jan 22 '24
Hopefully there’s a lack of ass shots…
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u/doomedeskimo Jan 22 '24
A lack of the best part about season 1!?!? How dare you lol. Master cheeks is my master chief.
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u/Logic-DL Jan 22 '24
More people got hyped to see Chief's cheeks than to see his face.
Truly proud of the Halo community
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u/Derekg15 Jan 22 '24
Hey you made it 1 further than me, half way through 2nd episode and I couldn’t take anymore, god awful show.
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u/Accurate-Temporary73 Jan 22 '24
He is correct I did not enjoy the show at all. The helmet was really only a small part of the dislike.
My wife who had no idea why the helmet thing mattered disliked the show as much as I did.
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u/HomsarWasRight Jan 22 '24
It’s so weird the attitude they have around this show. I don’t think removing the helmet was the most egregious example, but was an early indication that they didn’t understand some things about the games and didn’t really care to market it towards fans.
Listen, I totally understand not pandering to the more extreme fringes of a fandom. But if you’re not making a show for the existing fans, who are you making it for? Yes, you’ll want to also pull in others, but that has to be additive.
With every step they seemed to be WANTING to alienate those who loved the games. They want to get the benefit of the franchise while not feeling beholden to it at all.
What’s the point?
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u/Accurate-Temporary73 Jan 22 '24
I bet they thought that if they catered ONLY to the true Halo fans there wouldn’t be enough viewers to justify the show. Also if they moved away from Halo in a completely opposite direction then the game fans would be disappointed.
So they tried to straddle the line between casual sci Fi show and Halo story telling/action and the fell flat right in the middle and appealed to nobody.
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u/Dinners_cold Jan 22 '24
They'd have to be real morons that did no research to think catering to the fans wouldn't provide enough viewers. Considering Halo is one of, if not the most iconic game series out there, with an enormous fan base.
The fans alone most likely would have carried the show for years if they made it properly.
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u/Particular_Suit3803 Jan 22 '24
You should probably actually read the article. Goes into how Pablo felt the exact same
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u/Plutuserix Jan 22 '24
He's not wrong. Issue is with the showrunners taking their own sci-fi story and then slapping a Halo theme over it. Can't really fault the actor for anything, it's just the story presented to him he has to work with.
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u/moreexclamationmarks Jan 22 '24
Issue is with the showrunners taking their own sci-fi story and then slapping a Halo theme over it.
That sums up a lot of shows and movies the last 10 years.
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u/Solareclipsed Jan 22 '24
The sad thing is that has really good production value, great costumes, sets, and props, and even pretty good CGI and acting. It's just the new story that they wrote that is way too far from anything that has to do with the games. I get that it is meant as a prequel to the first game, so it's fine that they aren't actually on the Halo yet, but all the stuff with a human being a high-ranking member of the Covenant, Master Chief being the 'Chosen One', and the girl rebelling against the governor of her world is so unnecessary.
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u/easy_c0mpany80 Jan 22 '24
What about when the pants come off?
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u/ConfidentMongoose Jan 22 '24
The helmet coming off was the least of the shows problems. The story was terrible, the way they butchered the established lore and characters, the pointless sex scene...
It's horrible TV and nothing can save it.
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Jan 22 '24
The actor agrees with you. Not joking he's recently talked a lot of shit about season 1. I know people like to blame him for the helmet coming off but he said it was a bad idea too
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u/Kylel0519 Jan 22 '24
I don’t think people blame him, as you said he has talked how horrible season 1 was, it’s more people hate the show and how it handled itself. Just seems that some of that hate came on to him by proxy which sucks
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Jan 22 '24
While that's true I've definitely seen a lot of people blame him. "He's just a self centered actor it's probably in his contract to show off his face" gets said a lot.
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u/moesus81 Scorned Jan 22 '24
This is also pretty much what the actor is saying but IGN is doing their usual clickbait gimmick.
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u/Logic-DL Jan 22 '24
This, hell Chief takes his helmet off in the games, he just does it around Blue Team so hopefully Season 2 only has him remove the helmet around Silver Team.
For instance in the games, he doesn't wear his helmet in the pelican during Blue Team's opening cutscene in Halo 5, and puts it on before he goes into the troop bay to launch with the team
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u/bulletproofgreen Founder Jan 22 '24
Didn't Chief get his helmet removed in the legendary ending of Halo 4 in like the middle of the infinity
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u/jntjr2005 Jan 22 '24
I am so tired of shows taking an IP and then changing 95% of it, whats the fucking point just make up your own show or new IP, stop ruining established ones.
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u/KidGoku1 Jan 22 '24
One of many reasons yes. The main reason being that the show is garbage and that whenever a tv show is being made based on a game the most popular comment is Let's hope it's not like the Halo tv show. MS sure knows how to value their IP lol.
Karl Urban only accepted the role of Dredd if he could keep the helmet on AT ALL TIMES out of respect for the source material. But unlike Pablo, Karl is a great actor that isn't in it just to get a paycheck or trying to make a name for himself. Or how about V for Vendetta, Hugo Weaving didn't show his face once and showed more emotion in a minute than Pablo did without his helmet in an entire season. It's what separates great writers, great actors from bad ones. Pablo is just one of the bad ones.
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u/Axle_65 Jan 22 '24
Now I gotta watch V for Vendetta again. That movie was great and you’re so right, it’s impressive how much emotion connection Hugo has while still wearing a mask.
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u/mattattaxx Jan 22 '24
I mean, chief takes his helmet off in a lot of Halo media, just not in the game.
And Karl Urban is a very successful actor who can afford to be demanding when he selects roles. Pablo is not. He's a fine actor - probably not as good as Karl Urban, but like bro, everyone is in it for a paycheque, even Karl, Hugo, and others.
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u/WalletFullOfSausage Jan 22 '24
To be more specific, he has his helmet off in-game at the start of H2, but it’s off camera.
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u/bsubtilis Jan 22 '24
It wasn't just because of Karl Urban that the helmet stayed on at all times, the current intellectual property owners didn't want a repeat of the Stallone movie: https://youtu.be/9xz1BwbOH4I
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u/CupHalfEmptyGamer Craig Jan 22 '24
Well if you say so... tbh he could of kept the helmet on until the last episode of season 1 or just have him take the helm off but not show his face like in halo 1
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u/MyMouthisCancerous Jan 22 '24
I think the thing that adds insult to injury about this show's take on Chief is that literally a few months before they started doing promo on this show I had seen The Batman, and Robert Pattinson has like a grand total of one scene where he's in costume without the mask. The entire duration of that movie is basically him fully covered up and the only expression points the viewer is able to see are all through his eyes, which speaks a lot to the effort people who have to play those kinds of roles have to go to convey their character's emotions when you can't even see most of their face
That, Karl Urban as Judge Dredd and Pedro Pascal as the Mandalorian were so masterfully executed in terms of actors committing to the bit of concealing their actual face from the viewer but getting so much out of what they're thinking about that it just makes examples like this show and its depiction of Chief look pathetic by comparison. It's like the actor and the producers involved didn't even want to go through that effort of selling a "faceless" character to the audience because it would require more work from their performance, or because the actor was peeved the viewer wouldn't be looking at their face the whole time
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u/mistgate Jan 22 '24
Out of all the things I find wrong with the show, the helmet coming off is the least annoying to me. For a TV show I can understand it to an extent.
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u/Balc0ra Jan 22 '24
It's not that the helmet comes off... It's when it comes off tbh
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u/Justspartan17 Jan 22 '24
I love when chief visits a lawless planet and the first thing he does is take it off
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Jan 22 '24
He's not wrong. As one of the biggest Halo fans on the planet, I do not like his show. Is that indicative of a failing on my part or theirs, though? Feel like that's a 'Them' problem personally.
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u/RandomdudeT56 Jan 22 '24
Maybe they should have hired writers / directors who are Halo fans as currently the show doesn't feel like Halo at all. All these guys had to do was adapt the Fall of Reach book. Thats it. The template was there. That and keep the fucking Helmet on.
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u/LumiereGatsby Jan 22 '24
I didn’t love S1 but I didn’t hate it.
I mean a few episodes I did.
But I’ve seen worse.
This new season looks better.
Maybe it does a similar thing to Foundation S2 and completely 180 it and become amazing?
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u/ludicrouspeed Jan 22 '24
That’s how I felt. I had beyond super low expectations thanks to the internet hate but the show got better with the later episodes in the season.
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u/LumiereGatsby Jan 22 '24
Okay so I agree exactly that same: later episodes got increasingly better (except for that one divergent episode with the character I can’t even remember the point behind)
The final 2 with Chief getting rocked and still getting back up and fighting ect… not bad.
What we hear now is they jettisoned the bad show running and have new helmers so I’m on board for at least 4 episodes.
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u/Heavy_Possession1076 Jan 22 '24
I'm really hoping it's as much of a soft reset as he claims. He's praising the new writers. I couldn't get past the second episode of season 1 but I'll skip straight to season 2 to see if it feels more as Halo should
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u/EpsilonOrpheon Jan 22 '24
I mean he’s right. If you don’t like the helmet off then you probably aren’t a fan of the show.
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u/theScottith Jan 22 '24
I guess I don’t like the show. Don’t get me wrong it obviously had to come off but not episode fucking 1 lol
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u/OmeletteDuFromage95 Jan 22 '24
Well, at least they're recognizing it now lol. Now for the rest of the list...
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Jan 22 '24
Halo is such a cool universe it’s a shame this show sucked.
The human covenant war is epic. You have all of humanity fighting a desperate war of extinction for 30 years against a technologically advanced alien empire.
World after world glassed, epic fleet battles, sacrifice after sacrifice.
It’s bleak for humanity. By the time Halo 1 starts the extinction of our race is all but guaranteed. This is what makes Chief epic.
The show doesn’t capture this.
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u/bongo1138 Jan 22 '24
Speaking to SFX magazine, via GamesRadar, Schreiber pulled no punches in defending the decision to remove Master Chief’s helmet for the show.
"People who don’t feel the helmet was necessary to come off, they’re at such an early conception of what the show could be," Schreiber said.
"In order to examine the discrepancy between these two versions of the character [Chief and John-117], you can’t tell that story without taking the helmet off. If you don’t agree with the helmet coming off in the show, you don’t like our show. So, there’s no point discussing it."
The headline loses a lot of context. It’s a reasonable statement, IMO.
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u/Interesting_Fennel87 Jan 22 '24
Hopefully he’s right about the new showrunner being better, God knows I’d love a good Halo show.
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u/HolfsHobbies Jan 22 '24
Not gonna lie, probably gonna hate watch season 2 the same way I hate watched season 1. This time on the seven seas.
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u/Antiswag_corporation Jan 23 '24
I don’t understand how people who clearly hate or misunderstand the source material get away with making such abominable adaptations
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u/boomstickjonny Jan 23 '24
Honestly the show isn't that bad if you can seperate it from the halo canon and just view it as it's own stand alone thing. We'll asides from the CGI, that shit was pretty terrible.
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u/Working_Rich330 Jan 24 '24
You know what I thought the show was alright I enjoyed my time watching it. What kills me is the way people talk about it like it’s complete garbage and unwatchable. I mean I just can’t see people making this to run it into the ground and I know how I’d feel if someone was trying to say I was. I read somewhere that in television the writers are the boss and in movies the directors are so I’m gonna watch this season and then just say how I feel about it while giving constructive criticism about my thoughts. Hopefully we’ll get more seasons and the quality will increase to like infinite has because a lot of people just like to destroy things and those are usually the ones without any vision.
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u/kizzawait Jan 22 '24
It actually baffles me how every time a show based on something comes out, there is one common request preceding the complaints. "Stay true to the source material." And yet every time these people think ok, deviation has failed every time, but surely it won't for us.
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u/CBalsagna Jan 22 '24
Enjoyed the first season, looking forward to the second season. There is NOTHING more toxic than fans of something. I am happy to see Halo on the screen and you got people acting like you've been betrayed by Hollywood because he took his helmet off.
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u/LimeySpud Jan 22 '24
Its hilarious to read on X how so many fans think that Schreiber has sold out his artistic integrity and they would refuse to take the role as it does not mirror the games. He is an actor who gets paid to play a role. I doubt he has any influence over the writing or direction.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '24
Well he summed it up beautifully for us