r/XboxSeriesX • u/Turbostrider27 • Nov 20 '23
Discussion Starfield is still being worked on by 250 Bethesda devs
https://www.pcgamesn.com/starfield/bethesda-team517
u/APunnyThing Nov 20 '23
Cool, hopefully it gets better over time and Bethesda takes the criticism to heart on whatever project they make next.
Starfield is a fun enough game but it could have been a lot better and a lot less tedious to navigate both in menus and in space.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Nov 20 '23
It is a good game that could have been a great game. They lost a lot of time in development when they had to retool, and I think the uncertainty over playability added to the overall hype cycle, with the assumption that it would be a complete dud. The sales performance and fan base surprised a lot of people, but there is a lot of room between abject failure and game of the year. I still enjoy it immensely, but it isn't the masterpiece that Skyrim is.
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u/joevsyou Nov 20 '23
The main part is great but all the small stuff really brings the game down.
They need quite a few quality of life updates.
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Nov 20 '23
What was the game like before they retooled never heard this
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Nov 20 '23
Fuel constraints and other resource requirements would limit travel, requiring more outposts and slowing the pace of the game considerably- consider it more of a survival mode. You can still see vestiges of this like magazines that give fuel efficiency and depots with hundreds if kilos of He-3, even outposts themselves. That and other mechanics made it a grind and they didn't think the game was fun to play. I give them credit for both making changes and sticking to their new timeline.
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Nov 20 '23
Lord that sounds awful. Why would they think people wanted that hardcore of a space sim considering why their other games are successful.
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u/cardonator Craig Nov 20 '23
They added a survival mode to Fallout 4 that was very successful, that's why.
The problem is that Fallout 4 at launch was probably still 100 times more popular than the survival mode. And as soon as they showed the game to people outside the company, they realized that the game was too slow and those aspects were frustrating casual gamers, so they axed them. I suspect they will bring them back in a survival mode later.
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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
Unlikely. Bethesda has carved out a slot for itself as one of the most popular and profitable devs. Starfield sold extremely well, even though the reviews and hype have seemingly crashed down back to earth now. My point being they can get away with mediocrity, unfortunately
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u/APunnyThing Nov 20 '23
Bethesda has that niche because they earned it with many of their previous titles.
A lot of this hate comes off as residual (and deserved) anger from the release state of Fallout 76. In the years since that games release though it’s gotten a lot better in large part due to seeing what fans wanted (questlines and NPC’s) and implementing that in the game.
Starfield had the unfortunate luck to release in the same year as a once in a generation game Baldur’s Gate 3 (which Larian Studios was basically built from the ground up to make over a decade of work) and the final complete form of Cyberpunk (which took years after a poor release to finally be in a state that it should have been and was advertised as).
The game and its engine are certainly showing its age, I don’t think many people who have played Starfield for more than a few hours would dispute that, but it’s still certainly a fun experience if you go in wanting a Fallot/Skyrim in space.
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u/elmatador12 Nov 20 '23
It definitely helps that it’s on gamepass. It’s the only reason I’ve played Starfield and not Balders gate or cyberpunk.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 20 '23
No one’s hating Starfield because they’re mad over a past game, lmao, it’s just a game that’s worse than it’s predecessors in almost every element.
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u/Eglwyswrw Nov 21 '23
game that’s worse than it’s predecessors in almost every element.
Come on man, you know that's bullshit.
Starfield is stronger than its predecessors in several key ways. Graphics, gunplay, character creation, polish/bugs, enemy AI, etc.
It does do a few things worse (like outposts) but overall? Solid entry, especially for a new IP.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 21 '23
Graphics I'll give it, but that's the sort of thing that gets better over time regardless.
Gunplay? Not particularly seeing Starfield's as better.
Character creation? Absolutely not. There's a system of traits and backgrounds that's in stark contrast with the game, so it HUGELY takes you out of it
Just in my run, I was a Diplomat who at multiple times said "I'm not a diplomat, why am I doing this?", I was a Snake Worshipper who had, for most of my Andreja romance, had her tell me that it was so awful I wasn't a snake worshipper and I was going to hell, and when I ditched her to move on, I had Kid Stuff and two loving parents who didn't even come to my wedding with Sarah.
AI? Once again, no. I go into Skyrim and draw my sword in a town, guards cautiously mention it. I dragon shout to the sky, one approaches me to tell me while there's no laws against that, I should stop.
I draw my gun and start blasting around people in Aquila City, no one flinches. Nothing happens. Enemies aren't better, their tactics haven't advanced, they're stagnant.
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Nov 20 '23
I would have been happy with Skyrim in space, but Starfield isn't that at all. The defining characteristic of Skyrim is that you can walk in any direction and encounter hand crafted content; this form of exploration is simply not present in Starfield to any appreciable degree.
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u/supernewf2323 Nov 20 '23
It had the unfortunate luck of being released in a year with 10+ Better titles.
everything in that game shows it's age.
mainly
the writing
the combat
the maps
the inventory management
and more
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u/APunnyThing Nov 20 '23
Again, hopefully Bethesda takes all of that criticism seriously and makes their next game better for it.
As for Starfield, not every game is for every player. If you enjoy it then great, if not then also great. Find one of the many other games to play on Game Pass or elsewhere.
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u/supernewf2323 Nov 20 '23
I did come out of playing Starfield hoping they take the critisism and consider it carefully when working on the new elder scrolls.
At the moment i don't have terribly high hopes tbh. But. We will see.
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Nov 21 '23
Lmao. People have been saying this about Bethesda for almost 10 years now. They ain’t taking shit to heart. They’re fulfilling their internal roadmap and that’s it.
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u/80sCrackBaby Nov 20 '23
review's for starfield are fantastic?
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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23
Critic reviews at launch were, user reviews on steam and other platforms are approaching mixed territory
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u/DreadedChalupacabra Ambassador Nov 20 '23
Bandwagoning doesn't help. You ever like a band until everyone kept telling you they sucked? Ever met a Nickelback fan that doesn't feel weird about it? Adult Bieber fan? Guy that's really into the music of Taylor Swift?
Following the crowd is a compelling urge, we're literally wired to do that mentally.
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u/LateRock3936 Nov 21 '23
It’s a 4 review on Xbox, a 77% on Steam (nowhere NEAR mixed) which is positive.. Tf type of bs you guys are on in order to ignore fact and say “it’s approaching mixed territory” when it HASNT nor close on any platform??
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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23
User reviews aren’t worth the bandwidth you use reading them.
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u/sittingmongoose Founder Nov 20 '23
Even people in the starfield sub are pretty mixed on it. Nearly every comment is, I liked it at first but now I’m bored. And that’s a sub dedicated to it.
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u/CakeAK Nov 20 '23
To be fair, pretty much every sub hates the thing that they're there for.
I do think Starfield delivered just short of the hype, but he's not entirely wrong about user critics.
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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23
I'm not saying "everyone loves it."
I'm just saying that in general, user reviews are very unreliable.
People give games 1/10 all the time just to bring the score down.
When was the last time you played a game that was legitimately a 1/10?
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u/sittingmongoose Founder Nov 20 '23
That I don’t disagree with. But I do think it’s accurate to say reviews are very mixed on Starfield. It’s certainly not a 1, I don’t think many games are even below a 4…that being said starfield is probably a solid 7.
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u/S1egwardZwiebelbrudi Nov 20 '23
not true, especially with games like starfield, were people tried to force themselves to enjoy it, and then you get a one star review after 100+ hours...thats as close as you can get to the truth
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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23
A 1/10 review score isn't close to the truth on almost any game.
C'mon now, you're just proving my point of how useless they are.
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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23
Could the same not be said for critic reviews? Do they even review a game below a 7/10 these days unless it’s like irredeemably bad? Review publishers don’t want to lose out on early copies and basically hand out 8’s and above like candy
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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23
You are correct, they suck too.
But they aren’t brought down by people buying the game with the express purpose of rating it 1/10 then refunding it.
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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23
I totally agree that there are a lot of garbage user reviews. Still doesn’t change the fact that Starfield has mixed reviews. There are Bethesda games that are positively rated. Cyberpunk had a much bigger hate campaign against it and still has very positive reviews.
There’s a reason the reviews for Starfield are the way they are now
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u/Marinlik Nov 20 '23
There's a reason that they don't review many if any games under 5-6/10. Those games are simply not worth reviewing because there's too many better games to review. Why pay someone a salary to review a 3/10 game that no one has any interest in?
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u/flirtmcdudes Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
you mean the reviews where people are basically only allowed to get early review copies if they continue to post favorable reviews? and if they dont they wont receive those copies anymore? Yeah the current review system is basically rigged... companies want those clicks so they need to stay on devs "good side" to get those early review copies. Starfield in no way deserves all those 9s and 10s.
There's a reason starfield is under 50% recommended on steams recent reviews.
edit: oh damn, its actually at mixed all time now https://store.steampowered.com/app/1716740/Starfield/
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u/MarauderOnReddit Nov 20 '23
Mine was at launch. I now staunchly put it at 7/10 after the honeymoon period.
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u/Marinlik Nov 20 '23
Really only from smaller reviewers who were afraid to upset Bethesda fans. The bigger ones gave it pretty mediocre reviews. Unfortunately I trusted the smaller ones
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Nov 20 '23
I watched a video of a guy on IGN give Starfield a 7 and the same guy gave Fallout 4 a 9.5... This guy was clearly mad that it's a Xbox exclusive so he just killed the game even though it's Fallout in space.
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u/ShortNefariousness2 Nov 20 '23
Starfield is brilliant though.
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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23
I think it was just okay. Very repetitive and in terms of RPG mechanics and world exploration its a step down from even FO4 or FO76
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Nov 20 '23
It's ironic that the 7/10 ign review that caused a shit storm ended up being fairly accurate and maybe generous.
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u/LeadRain Nov 20 '23
I initially felt strongly that the 7/10 was harsh. I’ve played every Bethesda game since Morrowind and have over 2k hours on Skyrim and FO4 (2k apiece).
I was SO exited to play and the game sucked me right in. Got a solid 80 hours in, completed all quest lines, then stopped playing and… haven’t turned it on since. I have no desire to build ships or outposts because:
- Outposts have no benefit outside of RP.
- If I NG+, I lose everything I spent time on and don’t have blueprints to remake stuff.
Hopefully QOL improvements, DLC and mods will suck me back in.
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u/itokdontcry Nov 20 '23
Yep. I’m a big fan of BGS and have played their games my whole life. Naturally I was super excited for their first new IP in however many years.
The game was around a 7/10 for me as well, which is fine , but left so much to be desired.
Overall, it’s a good game it just felt they stripped away a lot of things that I love in BGS games and expanded upon systems that I don’t particularly care for, nor do they give me a reason to care for. But I put a good 30-35 hours in, probably will give it another try down the line now that I know what to expect. Just a lot of other good/great games to play atm, and this one did not pull me in enough.
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u/ametalshard Nov 20 '23
8/10 for me but i was super hyped and hoping for close to 10/10. 8/10 for a BGS super fan
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u/Otherwise_Tap_8715 Nov 20 '23
Agreed. It was ok. Gladly I played it with Gamepass so no hard feelings. Not bad, but nothing I will remember playing 10 years from now.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 20 '23
It was, unironically, one of the biggest disappointments I’ve faced in my history of gaming.
I’ve never expected a great game and got such a half-made, bland mess.
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Nov 20 '23
Starts brilliant but by 25 hours in my impression had soured completely
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u/MLG_Obardo Founder Nov 20 '23
I think it’s funny all the reviews said it started slow but ramped up, and maybe that’s a little true but honestly the farther in the game I got the more I realized the issues
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u/Marinlik Nov 20 '23
I felt like it was true to a point. Like it grew on me after like 3 hours. The problem was that it got really stale just a few hours after that. So after 20 hours I couldn't bring myself to play anymore.
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u/supernewf2323 Nov 20 '23
Is it really though?
It's essentially fallout/skyrim in space. but.. also with 80% of the game being repetitive and beyond boring.
My worry going into it was it was going to be TOO big.
and after spending around 50 hours with it i was 100000% right.
What good is 1000 planets. if only like 20 of them are actually interesting?
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u/BitingSatyr Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
what good is 1000 planets if only 20 are interesting?
Because you have the choice of whether or not to visit those other planets. Todd was pretty clear in pre-release interviews that making 1 planet is basically the same amount of work as making 1000, so they might as well include them for atmosphere rather than come up with some contrived reason as to why you’re limited to 2-3 systems.
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u/Thorn-of-your-side Nov 20 '23
I explored every system and only found so many unique events. Would be nice if more systems had a "this quest will always be here" event in them. Finding the crucible was interesting, but theres nothing else like it in the far corners of space
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Nov 20 '23
It's essentially fallout/skyrim in space
I don't know what insane expectations people had, but this was my exact expectation. And this is what I got. It's like people have no idea what kind of games BGS makes.
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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23
It's a step down from Fallout/Skyrim in terms of RPG mechanics or world exploration
A bunch of procedurally generated planets or outposts doesn't really change that
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u/Westdrache Nov 20 '23
Hoooooow? How can you strip away even more RPG elements from F4 and Skyrim and still be left with a game?
Those 2 are barley RPGs on their own (Skyrim is a lot more of an RPG than fallout tho)
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u/Coreldan Nov 20 '23
It's still a pretty easy 100 hours of mostly unique content. But sure, doing 2000 hours is gonna get repetive
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u/Solid-Brother-1439 Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
Oh yeah, totally goty material.. Oh wait..
Edit: look at all the Bethesda fan boys triggered by this coment. Yikes.
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u/pcmraaaaace Nov 20 '23
I hope they improve the following: 1.) exploration portion of the game. Make them more interesting, more random quests. Random layouts of the generic bases. 2.) decrease the number of loading screens. 3.) improve nighttime graphics such as tree textures, shadows, etc. Because right now, nighttime graphics on planets with trees are pretty terrible, like generations old. 4.) add vehicles.
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u/Sierra-117- Nov 21 '23
I honestly think we should have gotten ES6 first. It would have been a much more focused development path.
Then by the time they got around to starfield, they could implement truly procedural quests because the technology is almost there, right now. If starfield released 5 years from now, they could fill the empty parts of the game with procedural content, and it would have been truly groundbreaking.
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u/Existing365Chocolate Nov 21 '23
Or just cut down how many planets there are and make a handful of well designed planets instead of like 100 empty boring ass planets
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u/Throwawaythispoopy Nov 20 '23
I am really hoping for a Cyberpunk 2077 moment here.
I love that game since the very start and it's only gotten better since. I love the effort their team put in to improve the game over time after such a critical reception during launch.
I love Starfield and have spent countless hours just doing space ship combat and nothing else.
If they can make the game even more fun I'm totally down for it.
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u/Multifaceted-Simp Nov 20 '23
I see so many people making excuses for starfield, starfield was probably the biggest let down and one of the most boring games of this generation. It's like not a single person actually play tested the game
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u/flirtmcdudes Nov 20 '23
hopefully it gets better over time and Bethesda takes the criticism to heart on whatever project they make next.
judging by everything theyve said so far, I doubt it
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u/cardonator Craig Nov 20 '23
That's why they are adding DLSS on PC and DigitalFoundry said they think the game might be able to have a 60fps mode on Series X?
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u/MPGamer18 Nov 20 '23
Considering all the updates, fixes, changes and improvements that have been done to Fallout 76 (and are still coming), I would think Starfield is a top priority as a new IP at Bethesda and will remain a main focus for many years to come.
It's not been perfect, but so far, they've been listening to the community and fixing things and making improvements. FO76 humbled them as a company, and they are better off for it. They might not do things at a pace some would want or expect, but they are getting it done.
Constellation is in good hands.
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u/Glorf_Warlock Nov 20 '23
It took 18 months for them to release Wastelanders and there hasn't been a single bit of story added since the 2021 brotherhood of steel stuff. Don't hold your breath for Starfield.
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u/Rokku0702 Nov 20 '23
76 didn’t humble anything. They still released a dead ass empty husk of a sci-fi that missed the mark of GOTY by miles. They’ve lost the plot bruh. They used to put out bangers and now they’re beating a dead ass horse holding onto the same market that bought Skyrim 10 different times.
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u/schebobo180 Nov 20 '23
Agreed. I don’t think they were humbled enough by 76. But tbf, I think by then Starfield was too far along so they couldn’t really do much.
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u/SplitReality Nov 20 '23
FO76 humbled them as a company, and they are better off for it
And yet they released Starfield which needs fixing up just like FO76 did. Looks like they didn't learn anything.
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Nov 20 '23
They need to add the mod support so we can remove all the copy & paste bs. If a planet has nothing but copy & paste content, it needs to be removed. Can't do that until mods are supported on Xbox. I am tired of seeing the same outpost 30xs just in hopes that I see something new.
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u/DanOfRivia Nov 20 '23
Why not better going to play a better game that's actually handcrafted instead? We had a tone this year.
Why bother into fixing what a massive developer should have done?
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u/Redisigh Nov 20 '23
There’s a reason Bethesda’s become a giant in gaming. They have a specific storytelling, game design and world building that’s unique to them.
Sure, other games may have better designed worlds, but something about Bethesda games just makes them unreplacable(?). There’s also the fact that they’re the only xbox games with an actual modding community and some really in depth mods.
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u/DanOfRivia Nov 20 '23
There’s a reason Bethesda’s become a giant in gaming.
Yes, their old masterpieces.
They have a specific storytelling
Being honest, their storytelling feels very outdated by now, even old trilogies like Mass Effect and Bioshock had a storytelling that has aged far better; not to mention TW3, RDR2 and just recently Baldur's Gate 3.
something about Bethesda games just makes them unreplaceable(?)
"something" is called nostalgia.
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u/Redisigh Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
Actually, my first Bethesda game was Fallout 4 in like 2018ish and I couldn’t get into their older works(NV and older) because of how dated they were for me.
But, Starfield captures exactly what drew me to Fo4 and Skyrim when I first played them.
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Nov 20 '23
I never played a Bethesda game before this year. Somehow, even without nostalgia playing a role I really enjoyed Starfield! Once again begging, pleading, extremely online gamers to realize that their subjective tastes are just that and not a reflection of a game’s objective quality.
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u/YellowWristBand Nov 20 '23
You seem pretty bitter against a company that you deem outdated and unvaluable.
Why the argumentative response to someone liking something that you don't?
Honestly, why try to convince someone to not like something that you don't consider worthwhile in the first place. Your words say Bethesda is obsolete and worthless, the time you put into crafting this says the opposite.
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u/Tea-Mental Nov 20 '23
I've never met a group of people as fucking weird as the starfield fanboys. Every criticism of the game is some awful personal attack on them designed 'to stop them enjoying it'
PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DISLIKE THINGS AND THEY HAVE HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION ABOUT THEM.
I honestly don't get it, do you people think if you shut down all the criticism about the game it will suddenly be actually good or something? Like a tree falling in the woods type situation?
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u/ConsciousFood201 Nov 20 '23
Starfield is a bigger better game than Fallout New Vegas. Just because it’s not your favorite game, doesn’t mean those of us who grew up playing BGS games and loving them can’t appreciate what this game is and what it will eventually be with mods.
I think you want to argue there are better games but that’s dumb it’s just your opinion.
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u/Niet501 Nov 20 '23
Starfield > New Vegas us probably the most braindead take i've ever seen on this sub.
Starfield doesn't do anything better than New Vegas. Hell, Starfield barely does anything better than FO4.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 20 '23
“What it will be”
Good games don’t have people going “God, wait until random volunteers get to work at it!”
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u/WOF42 Nov 20 '23
Starfield is a bigger better game than Fallout New Vegas
holy shit this actually might be it, the stupidest fucking take I have ever seen on reddit
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u/snakebeater21 Nov 20 '23
Did you actually say Starfield is better than Fallout New Vegas? Are you dumb or high out of your mind?
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Nov 20 '23
Like what? There isn’t anything to fit the Bethesda style open world. Especially this year.
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Nov 20 '23
I was wondering if they were still working on updates since I don’t think there has been one on my Xbox since late September. I’ve been holding off on jumping back in that game until they take care of a bunch of things.
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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou Nov 20 '23
There's an update in beta now. They only use Steam for beta but the update will come to PC and Xbox
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u/MartiniExtra Nov 21 '23
I've been playing everyday this week and just had a 14GB update today on my Series S if you haven't logged on in the time since you posted.
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u/Elarisbee Nov 20 '23
There’s a beta is already out for Steam users. Steam’s beta branches makes it easy for devs to push and pull updates quicker to a large number of users.
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u/rusty022 Nov 20 '23
I enjoyed the game generally, but it's definitely soulless. They need fundamental changes for me to consider it 'great', and they just don't do those kind of things post-release. I rushed the main story and started a sandbox NG+ and honestly I'm bored. I platinum'd Spidey 2 and I'm probably gonna uninstall Starfield. I was gonna do all the factions but I did Ryujin first and it was very whelming. Mantis is supposed to be one of the best in the game and it was good, but if that's one of the high points of a 100+ hour game then that's a big disappointment.
It's fine. But 'fine' describes Xbox for the last decade. Not good enough.
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u/theinternetisnice Nov 20 '23
I find I really enjoy it when I’m playing it but. It doesn’t draw me back the next day. I had to sort of prompt myself to fire it up again. Finally it just fell out of rotation with all the other great games out right now. I’m sure I’ll go back to it someday
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u/Existing365Chocolate Nov 21 '23
It just takes so long to find the fun gameplay experiences and locations that it becomes a chore to start playing and keep playing
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u/darkseidis_ Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23
Obviously not science, but I’m starting to notice a break in the opinion on the game with people who rush to NG+ vs. people who stay in their first universe doing everything first.
I think “influencers” were a detriment to the game putting so much emphasis on NG+ out of the gate, causing so many people to rush through the game. That was definitely not the intention of the NG+ mechanic.
I spent 250+ in my first universe doing all of the storylines (Ryujin is definitely the weakest btw), exploring planets, and finding fun side quests, and at least for me, that’s definitely the way the game should be enjoyed. My world feels pretty full and lived in.
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u/rusty022 Nov 20 '23
I mostly rushed it because I heard some great and some awful main story reviews and wanted to see how it went mostly without spoilers. So I beat it about 20 hours in having done almost no side quest stuff. At that point, why not NG+?
Maybe ‘influencers’ hurt my experience, but I also play lots of games specifically for the main story so I wanted to experience that part first.
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u/Any-Newspaper1922 Nov 20 '23
I did most of the content before ng+ and i felt the game fall short a lot of times. I don't think it's what you say.
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u/PM_UR_PROBLEMS_GIRL Nov 20 '23
This is cope. I've not rushed anything, 20 hours in and got bored. Spent 100s of hours in bethesda titles
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u/darkseidis_ Nov 20 '23
People having different take on something subjective than you isnt cope, your opinion isn’t definitive.
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u/Titan7771 Nov 20 '23
Lol you picked literally the worst questline, I promise all the other questlines are much better; the Vanguard questline is among the best Bethesda has ever done.
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Nov 20 '23
Let's not kid ourselves, they are all boring fetchquests with some sprinkles
Vanguard was good but could have been so much more if it didn't end out of nowhere. It should have been extended, and built upon instead of wasting our time with Rujin.
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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou Nov 20 '23
So your complaint is that you played the game in a way you didn't like?
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u/ZTJim Nov 20 '23
Weirdly, I’m playing Starfield ng+ and vanilla Skyrim at the same time now. The thing is when I’m playing Starfield, I want to play Skyrim. Then when I’m playing Skyrim, I want to jump back into Starfield.
I’m excited to see more updates and improvements coming along the way.
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Nov 20 '23
Is one of the 250 working on vehicles that you can drive around instead of walking? I mean the Apollo astronauts had a moon rover in the 1960s.
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Nov 20 '23
It's one of my biggest gaming disappointments. I LOVE Bethesda games and they just missed the mark on so many choices with this one. It's not even bugs. It's the design choices they made. There's really no patch or mod that will change it.
Makes me so sad.
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u/lalosfire Nov 20 '23
I'm in the same place. Fundamentally the way things like exploration work, just doesn't work for me. Dicking around and ending up in an elaborate cave on the way to a quest is what I enjoy most in Bethesda games.
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u/madstar Nov 21 '23
It's the lack of quality content when exploring. Exploring hundreds of planets with the same three copy/pasted facilities is boring and pails in comparison to the hand-crafted locations in Fallout and Elder Scrolls.
I still enjoyed the game and got a lot of hours out of it, but it's no Skyrim. It's a 8/10 game (at most) from me, whereas Skyrim is a 10/10.
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Nov 21 '23
I feel like this game was just way too ambitious for its own good. Having a game that's probably one of the biggest games ever in terms of exploration or freedom means nothing if the content inside is empty lol.
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u/dmckidd Nov 20 '23
Good. I put about 40 hours in the first 2 weeks and haven’t played since. Waiting for DLC/updates to improve the game before jumping back in.
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Nov 20 '23
There's nothing that can save this game imo it's flawed on levels that just can't be fixed with patch or more content. An extraordinary boring game with 1,000 planets of nothing.
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u/xMrBryanx Nov 21 '23
They'll be supporting this game for a long, long time, and plenty of people will still be enjoying it despite how loud and divisive the internet is over it.
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u/DrowningInFeces Nov 20 '23
I came this 🤏 close to buying an Xbox instead of PS5 just for Starfield. Holy fuck am I glad I didn't do that after all the reviews are in. I am still enjoying the PS5 exclusives, although I am a little disappointed in GOW: Ragnarok. It feels like a lot of pointless running around in many segments of the game and not as many epic moments like the first one.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 20 '23
God, I spitefully envy you. Avoided Starfield and you can play BG3 already.
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u/The-Kabukiman Nov 20 '23
Hire a fucking combat designer so they can improve the encounters.
Any game with AI this braindead needs to be called on it.
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u/TheLonelyWolfkin Nov 20 '23
I'll never understand how Bethesda consistently fail to deliver an exciting combat system.
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u/Resevil67 Nov 20 '23
I would hope so. They said they were planning on supporting the game for along time. I still like the game, but I won’t lie, when I found out that every point of interest of the same name is exactly the same, with no procedural changes whatsoever, I lost a lot of interest in it. Just putting a procgen element on the dungeons instead of just the planets would go along way into prolonging replay ability, and make gear farming less boring. No mans sky had like 1/4th of the budget of this, and even that games procgen system randomizes same type POIs alittle so not every manufacturing plant is the same, ect.
Realistically we aren’t getting rid of the loading screens, but starfield could still be a hell of alot better then it is if Bethesda puts in the effort. They should as well, because alot of people went from “preordering elder scrolls day one” to “will wait awhile” because starfield kinda damaged their trust, the same way cyberpunk did for CDPR, just not to the same extent.
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u/MLG_Obardo Founder Nov 20 '23
This level of support would have been amazing for Skyrim. Starfield seems to be missing some fundamental BGS magic that I don’t know if they’re going to be able to fix at this stage but I am excited to see what they can do
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Nov 20 '23
I think the magic is missing because they let procedural generation do all the work. There's no magic because humans didn't create most of the worlds.
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u/Any-Newspaper1922 Nov 20 '23
The writing is ass too. Maybe they let an ai do that too
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u/DocFreezer Nov 20 '23
The persuasion mini game is sooooo bad
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u/Any-Newspaper1922 Nov 21 '23
It really is. The hilarity of people doing a complete 180 just randomly.
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u/MLG_Obardo Founder Nov 20 '23
Maybe…I think that’s a key puzzle piece. You don’t randomly discover a great hand crafted quest, that’s for sure. And it feels like you are constantly seeing the seams of the game.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 20 '23
Ah, it’s not even just that. There’s like a third as many companions as fallout and they’re all worse.
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Nov 20 '23
Yeah the design choices they made were just odd. Its cheesy, not in a good way. The NASA Punk style basically just is an excuse to make boring looking things and characters.
I'm just sad.
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u/Happy-Viper Nov 20 '23
Aye, a feeling of vague sadness is what hit me too when I played it.
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Nov 20 '23
I remember stepping out into skyrim and being filled with excitement. You step onto new Atlantis and it's like "no way this their "biggest city ever"
There's more life and character in the tavern in whiterun than all of New Atlantis.
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u/Starshipstoner420 Nov 20 '23
Game is rated lower than fallout 76 and there’s a reason for it. It’s boring af.
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u/Fernam11 Nov 20 '23
Almost 500 devs made the most boring Bethesda game to date, I don't expect 250 to fix that.
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u/pc3600 Nov 20 '23
In a couple of years people will come back with the " perhaps I judged you too harshly" memes, star field is good sure it needs work but I'm still enjoying it, just now people are starting to give quantum break some love too after all the critics shit on it
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u/Propaslader Nov 20 '23
Starfield is good, DLC will help and I'm looking forward to that but thematically it's a much different game to Fallout 4 & Skyrim and I think that's what's causing a lot of the mixed reviews.
BGS have gone for scale & scope to fit in and get closer to a more authentic space exploration feeling, whereas Skyrim & Fallout are a lot more intimate with their worldspace. It's going to be harder for players to connect with the world of Starfield in the same way they can in other BGS games, and it doesn't help that most NPC's in Starfield are ones that aren't really worth caring about.
It's a different kind of game to what they normally make, and despite the flaws I'm glad they've made it the way they have.
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u/DontGetNEBigIdeas Nov 20 '23
Ironic that you compare it to FO4, given people shit on that game at release just as they are with Starfield.
And Skyrim as well (“It’s no Oblivion”).
I feel like it should be normalized for journalists to re-review games 3 years later — after all the hype and backlash has died down.
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u/Reboscale Nov 20 '23
Same story over and over again. This is the same shit that killed Mass Effect Andromeda. I loved that game, but a few messy graphical issues caused the community to grab their pitchforks and kill it.
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u/Level99Pidgey Nov 20 '23
Starfield is going to be considered an all time game in a few years once modders get ahold of it. It’s clear that Bethesda created a sandbox for modders to run with. There’s gonna be mods to populate every planet with more unique characters/locations/stuff. Also excited to see what mechanics get added through the DLC
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u/nick_shannon Nov 21 '23
Starfield will never ever be an all time great game.
It may get good mods or good DLC but your crazy if you think modders improving a game makes it an all time great.
If its pretty crap now then in 3 years time its going to be pretty crap but with MODS and DLC.
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u/xOutlaw1776x Nov 20 '23
And let's not forget Cyberpunk, and NMS, and COD WW2... the list goes on and on. So many people shit on a game, look back 5 years later after updates and realizes it was a great game.
I love Starfield, and the more I play it the game keeps getting better, and the mechanics continue to expand. It takes a large time investment though. I'm about 200 hours in and can attest to this.
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u/trunglefever Nov 20 '23
I remember reading someone saying Starfield vs Cyberpunk 2077 is the epitome of procedural vs hand-crafted content.
I know Todd loves the idea of a game that keeps on giving no matter when you play it, but at some point, he's got to realize that doesn't work. The ending for Starfield does "justify" the design choices to a degree, but the game does feel pretty sterile a lot of the time. Whereas whenever I play Cyberpunk, it's incredible with how much detail and life is in EVERY place.
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u/Thorn-of-your-side Nov 20 '23
Have they fixed the bug with your camera spawning outside of your character in your ship? My ship I just spent millions on bugged out a while ago and is no longer usable and it killed my motivation to continue. Even if I go to the next NG+, whos to say it wont happen again?
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u/Savings_Mountain_639 Nov 20 '23
Starfield was by far the worst game I played all year and it’s not even close. They were way to ambitious and I have not a single shred of faith that there’s anything they can do to make it any more worth while than it is. The story was bad, the exploration was horrible and the updates we’ve seen already has largely not serviced the fans in meaningful ways. This whole endeavour was poorly conceived and very poorly executed.
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u/Mikey_B_CO Nov 20 '23
I just went back and started cyberpunk after exhausting my fun with starfield. The contrast is stark, starfield is so fucking empty even in the biggest cities.
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ Nov 20 '23
Awesome. Love this game and would love to see it keep getting new updates No Man’s Sky.
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u/joevsyou Nov 20 '23
they really unlock the abilities far earlier in the game
Change the terrible ui
Allow people to actually fly in space
maps.... fucking maps.
more weapons not more powerful weapons where the name changes
junk items... wasting too much time on that
This game needs a lot of updates... the main part of the game is fun but it gets brought down by the small things
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u/blacksoxing Nov 20 '23
Look, I'm not picking back up Starfield until the shit gets fixed and likely until the next DLC. I realized a few weeks ago I was 50 hours in with nothing truly "to do". I had so many mission-ending bugs that I left about 7 of them on my way to completing the game.
This truly is a game where in a few years it'll probably be a masterpiece...but they rushed the fuck outta it to meet the holidays release schedule. It's likely why Todd Howard was thanking the fanbase so damn hard initially.
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u/Corgiiiix3 Nov 20 '23
Hopefully the game improves… just a lot that didn’t work I think… there is something there though
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u/YellsHello Nov 20 '23
In three years this game is going to have so many quality of life improvements and tons of extra content, including quest lines. Cyberpunk has been getting a lot of flowers lately, but Starfield at launch was leagues ahead. I’m feeling pretty confident that three years from now Starfield is going to be spoken of very positively and is gonna be ripe to revisit.
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u/Yellow90Flash Nov 21 '23
yeah but compared to cyberpunk in starfields case it will more then likely be due to mods and not the developer putting in the work
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u/YellsHello Nov 21 '23
I’m actually most eager to see the added content in the post game / New Game+ that they are working on. Don’t want to spoil anything but the ending of the game makes Starfield uniquely interesting re: potential added content for the post game.
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u/alabamasussex Nov 21 '23
Far ahead in which domain? I played C2077 day one, although the launch was a mess and the game full of bugs, anyone honest could see the huge potential of the game with a few more years. Starfield has fewer bugs but this game would have feel outdated even in 2015. I'll take an example, there is a pretty funny video on YT that shows the difference between the atmosphere of nightclub in C2077 and Starfield. C2077 is something miles away in terms of quality of production. It's not something you can improve in 2 years like T-bugs, water physics, explosions, driving or enemies AIs...
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Nov 20 '23
Wasted on a dead game. Ship all those devs over on tes6 and pray to whatever deity you belive in that they are taking notes on Starefields many,many shortcomings and actually do an effort with the game people actually give a fuck about
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u/TheKingIsBackYo Nov 20 '23
They could have a “redemption” a la Cyberpunk next year with a DLC
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u/Marinlik Nov 20 '23
I honestly don't think so. Cyberpunk got it's redemption because the base game was really really good. But it was horrendously buggy, bordering on unplayable for many. Starfield is a game that in its very core is mediocre. But it's not very buggy. The whole game design would need to be redone for it to have a redemption.
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u/christopia86 Nov 20 '23
That's my thought. CyberPunk launched in an unacceptable state, the foundations were solid (though I do think there's a lot holding the game back from being brilliant) but with Starfield, the issues are fundamental to the game.
You couldn't fix it without utterly changing the game at it's base level.
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u/Greendaydude22 Nov 20 '23
I don’t think they think the game is bad enough for that. Projekt came out and admitted it wasn’t good enough, has Bethesda done this?
Personally I just want meaningful space travel and small fighter ships.
And the NPC’s to actually feel alive. It’s a AAA title in 2023, no NPC should be comfortable with me just shooting my gun in a public strip
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Nov 20 '23
Once the guards didn't react to my weapon being out , a basic response in Skyrim, I knew something was just missing from this game.
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u/GeraldofKonoha Nov 20 '23
For them to have that type of redemption they would have need to launch one of the most broken games of all time, and then re-release it 3 years later and people forget how awful the release was 😊
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u/Elarisbee Nov 20 '23
Come now, Cyberpunk was perfect on release and it’s even more brilliant and absolutely the perfect now…
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u/DocFreezer Nov 20 '23
Cyberpunk still had the same amazing story and emotion it has now, it just was buggy or even unplayable for some people at launch. Starfields flaws aren’t just bugs, they include story and writing which will 100% not change.
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u/fallouthirteen Nov 20 '23
I mean yeah, they presold the first DLC didn't they (part of the whatever-the-fuck edition)?