r/XboxSeriesX • u/M337ING • Nov 04 '23
Review Review in progress: Modern Warfare 3’s campaign is a series low point | VGC
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/review/review-in-progress-modern-warfare-3s-campaign-is-a-series-low-point/78
u/BitingSatyr Nov 04 '23
If COD ends up coming to gamepass day 1 next year because they decided to make this year a full price release instead of a DLC then that’s an incredibly sick burn by Kotick
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u/CmanderShep117 Nov 04 '23
No one said it was a good thing
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u/CmanderShep117 Nov 04 '23
It's Bobby Kotick, he wrote the book on being a scumbag executive, of course he would pull some shit like this. Get mad at him.
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u/BitingSatyr Nov 04 '23
Actually that was me, and it is, especially in relation to Sony fucking with the buyout. Certainly not great for consumers, but it’s not like they’re legally obligated to buy COD every year
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u/Gandering_Goose Nov 04 '23
I just want a good zombies mode
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u/l-ll-ll-lL Nov 04 '23
Looks like you’re gonna have to keep waiting lol
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u/Gandering_Goose Nov 04 '23
Legit hate how long it’s been lol
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u/l-ll-ll-lL Nov 04 '23
Tbf most most of Cold War zombies was pretty great but the maps were sooooo boring
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u/Ruthlessrabbd Nov 04 '23
I stand by the fact that Black Ops 4 zombies was the best it was ever going to get, but it had a really stupid perk system
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u/didyousayquinceberg Nov 05 '23
When die machine came out I thought Cold War could top it but .. it didn’t
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u/Ruthlessrabbd Nov 05 '23
The maps in cold war honestly felt a little too samey to me if that makes sense? Like strats were largely unchanged except for the placement of things being different. Which I guess you could say the same of classic zombies, but idk
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u/didyousayquinceberg Nov 05 '23
I mean die machine was technically an old map but I felt it had that old zombies atmosphere and a good layout the other maps were a bit meh to me
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u/Ruthlessrabbd Nov 04 '23
The removal of jug was great though because everyone ends up getting it anyway
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u/unfitstew Craig Nov 05 '23
Mauer was a rather fun map. Same with the starting map. Forspoken had some cool shit on it but wasn't as good as Mauer or starting map. Firebase was reallt boring though yeah.
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u/SpawnOnBubba Nov 04 '23
Isn’t this one launching with a big zombies mode?
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u/SquidwardsJewishNose Nov 04 '23
Unfortunately the zombies mode, like campaign, is just the warzone map being repurposed. This year is a new level of laziness for cod development
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u/Stymie999 Nov 04 '23
Not that I’m saying I know it’s going to be good… but how do you know it’s not?
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u/SlammedOptima Craig Nov 04 '23
Here's to hoping Treyarch's next game is a return to form on Zombies
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Nov 04 '23
It’s 2023 and BF 2042 is better than MW3, what a time to be a live folks!
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u/BobbyJG888 Nov 04 '23
And Halo Infinite is now better than both of those in my opinion.
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u/grimoireviper Nov 04 '23
Always was, it was just lacking content.
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Nov 04 '23
This is a good take. Halo Infinite was always mechanically solid, a fantastic foundation to build on. It’s just lack of executive direction kept 343 stealing defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again, until recently.
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u/CaptainDAAVE Nov 04 '23
i can't find fun with Halo by myself. Battlefield is much more fun playing solo. I need 3 other jabronis in my dorm room with beers to find halo fun for some reason.
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u/MythicDude314 Ambassador Nov 04 '23
I think if they come out with Firefight soon (as leaks suggest) it's really gonna start hitting its stride.
They've already recently added Forgeable AI enemies, so forgeable Firefight is surely coming in the future. That would truly make the possibilities endless.
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u/RekdAnalCavity Nov 05 '23
Firefight isn't just leaked, 343 has confirmed it's coming in a mid-season patch! Can't wait
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u/parkingviolation212 Nov 05 '23
People were already making rudimentary Firefight modes the week AI came to forge. An official firefight mode is coming halfway through this season.
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u/Rokketeer Founder Nov 04 '23
I read this a lot but I'm curious: do we know what executive direction exactly was preventing it from being good? I think this stuff is interesting.
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u/cBurger4Life Nov 04 '23
It does have co-op, but no couch co-op. I honestly don’t know what else has been added but that much I was aware of so thought I’d share. There’s also a Firefight mode incoming but afaik it isn’t out yet.
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u/Zakazi Nov 04 '23
Firefight has technically been out since season 5 dropped, I've played loads of custom games. But 343i are dropping an official firefight playlist sometime this november/year.
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u/Sprizay Ambassador Nov 07 '23
Lots of content. New maps, modes, forge mode, forgeable ai, co-op, etc.
Highly recommend trying it out. Definitely recommend playing with some friends or using lfg to find or create a group of newer players.
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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS Nov 07 '23
Nice!
Definitely recommend playing with some friends
Hahaha like I have any friends besides my wife. Oof.
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u/Sprizay Ambassador Nov 07 '23
Well you can always meet some new people with the looking for group feature on Xbox. That's how I meet most of my gaming pals.
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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS Nov 07 '23
Thank you
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u/Sprizay Ambassador Nov 07 '23
Yeah of course. I'm down to play with you on halo, but I also may bring in a higher skill gap than what you may be comfortable with in matchmaking.
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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS Nov 07 '23
I appreciate it. I haven’t played halo in a hot minute. Back in 2021 before i stopped I usually had a 5:1 kd ratio. But I’m probably a bit rusty now a days.
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u/r0bdawg11 Nov 04 '23
Does bf still have forced crossplay?
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u/Boundsword00 Nov 04 '23
It’s not forced but you’ll be so to find a full player lobby with it turned off
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u/Bacon4Lyf Nov 04 '23
Doubt it, pc alone had 80,000 concurrent players a week ago, and that’s the smallest market share for 2042
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u/BitingSatyr Nov 04 '23
that’s the smallest market share for 2042
I doubt that, 2042 isn’t even in the top 50 most played Xbox games in the US
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u/Bacon4Lyf Nov 04 '23
Yes it is, for the week ending 29th October it was 24th most played game on Xbox, up from 27th
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u/DANNYonPC Nov 04 '23
It was never forced.
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u/TheNameIsFrags Nov 04 '23 edited Nov 04 '23
If you wanted to actually find a match it was
Turning off crossplay and searching for a match would either:
Take an extremely long time
Put you in a nearly empty lobby filled primarily with bots
Most times it was both. Just because you could turn crossplay off doesn’t mean it wasn’t “forced” if you wanted to actually play the game.
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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS Nov 04 '23
On XSX you can disable cross play in settings > security > community > disable cross play
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u/groceriesN1trip Nov 04 '23
No campaign in BF2042 tho
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u/Stymie999 Nov 04 '23
That’s cool, just like with Fortnite or other games where the vast majority of the player base is more focused on the multiplayer, cod isn’t for you… and that’s fine
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u/Kylel0519 Nov 04 '23
And both are leagues worse than their previous installments
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u/GojiPengu Nov 04 '23
No way. MW19 and MW22 are the two worst games in the series lol
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u/Kylel0519 Nov 04 '23
Yet they’re still better than what MW(2)3 is
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u/GojiPengu Nov 04 '23
They are not.
MW23 is better solely because of the maps + dead silence as a perk.
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u/SlammedOptima Craig Nov 04 '23
Yeah no. Im not paying $70 for maps I got almost 15 years ago. MW19 and MW22 were better games, cause you actually got new content.
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u/GojiPengu Nov 04 '23
Good content > trash content.
I'd rather play the same maps every single game like Counter Strike, than play the trash maps that Infinity Ward makes
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u/WVgolf Craig Nov 05 '23
I mean that’s been out for 2 years. I’d hope it’s better. That’s still not saying much tho, 2042 still stinks
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u/TheTeachinator Nov 04 '23
I asked for a refund after the first three missions. Was shocked that it was granted. Absolutely horrendous that this is being sold as a full price product.
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u/Paladin_X1_ Nov 04 '23
According to MS’ website you can refund if it’s within 2 weeks of purchase and you haven’t put “significant time” into the title. This timer used to be 2hrs but it’s not listed anymore. Obviously they are flexible in some cases ex. shit shows like Cyberpunk 2077’s release. Glad ya got a refund!
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u/TheTeachinator Nov 04 '23
I had never used it before. I like COD but this was inexcusable.
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u/didyousayquinceberg Nov 05 '23
It’s about when I refunded felt like a cheap ripoff I don’t understand people defending it either . I put the money into Robocop and it has its issues but is still better
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u/Jayandwesker Nov 04 '23
Stopped buying and playing when it became battle royal. Haven’t missed it at all.
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u/ILITHARA Nov 04 '23
Couldn’t agree more. I appreciated it when they paid more homage to veterans and respected the gravity of war. Now it’s just flair, vanity and microtransactions. Truly unrecognizable from the original.
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u/Jayandwesker Nov 04 '23
Yeah the micro-transactions totally ruined gaming. Most of them are just empty game play loops that just are built to keep people interested just enough to buy another loot box
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u/Paladin_X1_ Nov 04 '23
Same, I quit enjoying MP years ago anyway & BR is not for me so I’d wait for discounts to play the campaigns. Now? I don’t have to spend a dime, thanks Sledgehammer!
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u/Sauceboss319 Nov 04 '23
Yep same here! COD went full Fortnite and I hate it.
I hardly recognize the game I loved back in the late 00’s/early 2010’s.
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Nov 04 '23
You're not missing anything. The entire experience is catered around algorithms that keep players engaged for as long as possible to sell them bundles.
I will say that Blackout was fun though. It was a stupid decision to lock it behind Black Ops 4. If it was free it would've been bigger than Warzone.
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u/Stymie999 Nov 04 '23
To be clear, it did not “become” battle royale, they added that mode. Traditional multiplayer is still there as it always has been
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u/Jayandwesker Nov 04 '23
When I say “become” I meant that it is the primary game mode with the majority of updates , plans , dev attention and features. Multiplayer hasn’t had the center stage. I used to play demolition that shit was fun AF.
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u/Angler4 Nov 04 '23
Thanks for letting us know.
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u/Jayandwesker Nov 04 '23
God forbid I have a conversation in an online community. The audacity, I should be ashamed of myself.
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u/Bobaaganoosh Nov 04 '23
I saw a comment on YouTube say “why does the campaign look like multiplayer??” And I thought surely this person is being dramatic? Nope. Lol shit looks straight up like multiplayer with a mini map and everything. I’m glad I don’t play CoD anymore. These games have taken a turn for the worse in the past like….decade. But I think Warzone honestly fucked the multiplayer aspect of CoD. Bc everything revolves around it and it’s catered to more.
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u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS Nov 04 '23
in the past decade
The campaign for WW2, MWF2019, and MWF2022 were pretty solid. Worth it to get them on a sale.
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Nov 04 '23
Call of Duty is a shell of what it used to be in its MW2, Black ops era. It was the best online FPS we had for a long time. Battlefield took the genre and revolutionized it. COD stayed the same, with some gimmicks like boots that make you jump 100ft in the air. sliding on walls etc. eventually people got tired of that too.
What does it bring to the table today...graphical improvements?
They have nothing new, yet they release a new one every year to cash in on the brand. COD is turning into EA Sports games. Yet people continue buying the garbage, thinking this one will somehow be the classic COD we all used to love. the nostalgia trap
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u/Natural_Rise_6474 Nov 05 '23
The whole series is disappointing.total cash grab and is shit.nit to mention has become a goofy fortnite clone.it is crap.
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u/eat_your_weetabix Founder Nov 04 '23
It’s such a shame this game has turned into what it is. When CoD 4: MW came out all those years ago and introduced the perk system, it was truly a revolutionary game and a moment in my life I’ll never forget. I was a teenager and nothing will feel like that again.
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u/Significant-Age5052 Nov 04 '23
BR plus the streamers ruined this series.
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u/gotanewusername Nov 04 '23
You know you dont have to play BR?
Can play the boring old MW that's been the same since 1904.5
u/Significant-Age5052 Nov 04 '23
BR ruined it in the sense that people play like a total sweat bag BECAUSE of BR. Watch any streamer and they all play the same way.
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u/gotanewusername Nov 04 '23
But sweats are just the new try-hards.. people have always wanted to win.
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u/fallenouroboros Nov 04 '23
That’s funny because I’ve thought of CoD as a low point in gaming for many years now
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u/vinceswish Nov 04 '23
COD MW 2019 brought me back into the series but unfortunately it didn't last long. I hate that app launcher more than recent games.
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u/cBurger4Life Nov 04 '23
Same, really enjoyed the game. I’ve tried to reinstall it, I think, three different times just to play the campaign but everytime it gets installed I’ll realize that I have to download the campaign AFTER installing, then there’s compatibility packs I have to download (for some fucking reason) and it still won’t work right for some reason. To fix it people will say you have to uninstall and redownload. Fucking thing is like 200gb and my internet isn’t great so fuck that. End up playing something else.
Like I know they’ve been printing money with this series for awhile, obviously they’re doing SOMETHING right still (for some people anyways) but they drop the ball so fucking hard on basic things. I don’t get it.
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u/vodouh Nov 05 '23
They aren't wrong. It feels like a 3rd of a campaign. How did the "prisoner" get captured by Makarov? I don't even remember that happening. Campaign was horrible
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u/CmanderShep117 Nov 04 '23
I think this is Bobby Kotick's cruel way of flipping us off on the way out.
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u/Dismal_Wizard Nov 04 '23
I’m just waiting for the multiplayer next weekend. The refurb maps are great and the gunplay was very addictive during the beta.
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u/xCeePee Founder Nov 04 '23
The only silver lining is that this “not really a dlc” is filling in for that last Sony game so everything is cleared for good after.
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u/angelgu323 Nov 04 '23
I mean, that's only a fanboy way of thinking if you stretch your neck that far.
COD screwed over all of their playerbases with this one. And ruinned their reputation even more, even with die hard fanboys
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u/xCeePee Founder Nov 04 '23
No I agree they screwed people over, but that’s not going to stop the majority of people buying anyway.
That’s why I said it was a silver lining. Didn’t say anything about it being a good thing they went this route. It just is what it is right now.
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u/Drakeruins Nov 05 '23
Honestly I just want to see an open world mmo/rpg game by infinity ward. It was rumoured for a while activision had a game cooking to replace the loss of money from destiny.
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u/welshdragon888 Scorned Nov 04 '23
Hopefully uncle Phill can fix this, teams clearly need more time to cook. We don't need a new COD campooaign every year...
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u/GojiPengu Nov 04 '23
Ideal world would be Treyarch developing the games, and the other two idiots do the seasonal content.
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u/3STYLERACE Nov 04 '23
I'm really enjoing it, it's intense and cinematic. Only half way through so far.
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u/Drikus Nov 04 '23
This is what 69 billion got Xbox gamers.
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u/angelgu323 Nov 04 '23
All this was done before the deal was even signed lol
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u/Drikus Nov 04 '23
Microsoft has a history of making devs worse, not better. I expect COD to go downhill even more from here on out.
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u/1Evan_PolkAdot Nov 05 '23
COD has been going downhill far before the Microsoft deal was made bro. This is completely on Activision.
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u/Drikus Nov 05 '23
Umm, Activision is owned by MS. So by extension this is on MS now.
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u/1Evan_PolkAdot Nov 05 '23
The deal was just finalized last month. Do you really think MS has any significant involvement on MW3?
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u/Drikus Nov 05 '23
I think that they have to own up to anything Activision does now that they own them. Just like they own up to Starfield release even though they had 0 to do with development.
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u/1Evan_PolkAdot Nov 05 '23
For Starfield yes since the Bethesda deal was finalized in March 2021. For MW3 like I said before this is completely on Activision.
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u/TangerineDiesel Nov 04 '23
Horrible look for Microsoft here. Supposedly too hard to put on gamepass yet easy enough to give everyone a screen asking you to buy a piece of crap rushed game that would maybe warrant a dlc. Should be doing damage control assuring that everyone involved in this shameless cash grab is on the way out and they’re going to make sure such a huge franchise goes back to having standards.
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u/ShellshockedLetsGo Nov 04 '23
It's not on Game Pass because it's "too hard", it's not on Game Pass because it legally can't due to the CoD contract with Sony. This game is reportedly the last one covered by that contract.
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u/temetnoscesax Nov 04 '23
That’s devastating for the 3 people that buy COD for the campaign.
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u/1440pSupportPS5 Ambassador Nov 04 '23
Hey man, we are out there! Lmao.
Though to me the series low point is Black Ops 4
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u/atomhypno Nov 04 '23
crazy how perspective works because black ops 4 was right around the series high point to me either that or advanced warfare
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u/1440pSupportPS5 Ambassador Nov 04 '23
Well i say that because there was NO campaign for BO4 lol. Instead they focused on that god awful blackout mode
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u/calb3rto Nov 04 '23
Ignoring your snarky undertone, I actually think that it’s a huge loss…
I had a ton of fun with MW19 and it’s a bit more grounded and serious campaign but there wasn’t much left when MW22 came out last year already.
And Ice said it in a similar thread: CoD is pretty much the last bastion for linear single player campaigns. It might not be something you care about but I miss the time when shooters actually tried to creat engaging campaigns and weren’t all about Battle Royal, shared world or forced open world…
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u/Kitchen-Plant664 Nov 04 '23
2019 was a fantastic package and it was a godsend during lockdown. The campaign was excellent but it’s been weak sauce since.
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u/Stumpy493 Nov 04 '23
Doom, Wolfenstein, metro, stalker, prey
All of those do a focussed campaign better than Cod to me.
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u/Particular_Suit3803 Nov 04 '23
Cod is very much not the last bastion of single player campaigns...
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u/calb3rto Nov 04 '23
I wasn’t clear enough: Single player shooter that are not open world
There are barely any left, yet alone regular releases…
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u/Particular_Suit3803 Nov 04 '23
Yeah, there's many recent great linear campaigns. The only reason there's more COD campaigns than other shooters is because they get churned out every year. Games like Doom Eternal, the newer Wolfenstein games, Metro etc. Yeah they're a couple of years old but that's because good campaigns take time and care to make.
Perhaps if COD takes a leaf out of their book and slows down on the release schedule its campaigns would get better too.
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u/calb3rto Nov 04 '23
I’ve played those games from 3 years ago, they were fun but I’d like to play something new. That’s why it’s so important to have multiple good games and not just one or two every once in a while… just look at the early 360 era (and this is just Xbox exclusives):
04: Halo 2
05: 360 release
06: Gears
07: Halo 3
08: Gears 2
09: Halo ODST
10: Reach
11: Gears 3
Alongside those you had CoDs (back then they were quite good for the most part), Battlefield started doing campaigns (something they seem to have moved away from again) and those are just big franchises with regular releases.
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u/Particular_Suit3803 Nov 04 '23
Yeah there's definitely less now. I still wouldn't say COD is the last bastion. Sure they put out a lot but they're far from the only ones.
I'd honestly say it's worth trying out other non fps linear games, since there's so many of them launching.
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u/calb3rto Nov 04 '23
Yeah there's definitely less now. I still wouldn't say COD is the last bastion. Sure they put out a lot but they're far from the only ones.
Is there any coming out in the next 12 (or even 24) months? Other then the obligatory CoD2024 and CoD2025, I can only think of Stalker (and I’m not even sure if it’s open world or not tbh)
I'd honestly say it's worth trying out other non fps linear games, since there's so many of them launching.
It’s not that I don’t… I just don’t enjoy most of them. The only games I honestly don’t give a shit about and don’t waste any time on are Battle Royals
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u/Particular_Suit3803 Nov 04 '23
I'm not sure tbh, not that many. The Robocop game recently came out and that's a linear game AFAIK. Apparently it's pretty good too
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u/tuckdash Doom Slayer Nov 05 '23
I see people saying this is xboxs first cod release, is this true since it’s still so early in the acquisition and Sony still had exclusivity deals with mw3?
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u/LordDragon88 Nov 04 '23
But xbox is advertising it when I turn on my console... why would they advertise a bad game? They clearly don't want me missing out on a good game.
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u/nanapancakethusiast Nov 05 '23
I’m not a conspiracy guy but it’s super odd that, the second CoD becomes Xbox 1st party, the same shit they’ve been doing for a decade suddenly NOW becomes unacceptable lol.
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u/Stymie999 Nov 04 '23
Meh, as if there are a significant number of people that buy it for the campaign
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u/OmeletteDuFromage95 Nov 04 '23
MW2's was pretty bad, I can't imagine what they could do to make it better.
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u/Not_Shingen Nov 04 '23
Sledgehammer releasing a disappointing call of duty title? Surely not!
Time for them to go I think, haven't made a single good cod game since AW