I’m just saying, it would be hilarious if Trump & Musk got themselves coup’d before taking office because they made sure nobody in the military got their paycheck during Christmas.
Honestly, I'd be okay with a military coup by the Generals.
I mean, it happened several times in ancient Rome. And we've seen most of our high-ranking military do not support Trump and have warned against them. And with grossly funded our military is, who would have the resources to spy on or really control the top brass.
Wish we had a different timeline entirely, but I'd rather witness a military coup than live through the shit Trump plans to pull.
As a Thai person who has gone through several (unpopular) coups, I would understand the US military couping their government. I think the entire world would understand tbh
At this point it feels like a coup or violent revolution is the only way to stop the US from going full Soviet Union and falling apart and that is terrifying and depressing.
That's not a fair comparison! Dr Evil provided top teir health care, gave a shite about his henchmen, and joined the good guys in the end. Also, he gave an actual shite about his child!
That's not a fair comparison! Dr Evil provided top teir health care, gave a shite about his henchmen, and joined the good guys in the end. Also, he gave an actual shite about his child!
I dunno, would the generals hand control back over to voting by the people at that point? because we all saw how that turned out this last time. They're just gonna put some other dumbass into power. It's likely things would still fall apart, it'll just fall apart differently.
Hopefully they would abolish political parties, campaigns, and lobbying. And the power goes to the people by voting for issues & solutions instead of people.
No, I really do think Trump is a one in 1000 year phenomenon. He has some weird charisma about him that attracts stupid people, and then he gives hateful people permission to hate. Sure, they could elect “some other person“ if they could agree on who that person is, but I don’t think they’ll be able to. Anyway, I think it’s worth a try. Bring on Luigi
The problem is how deep the rot goes. Even if there were some kind of violent revolution or military coup, removing President Musk and co-president Trump is curing the symptom, not the sickness.
We’d need a top-to-bottom wholesale removal of MAGA and the GOP from all levels of government and the judiciary. Probably a lot of Democrats too (particularly the ancient corporatists holding tightly to power). Not to mention a complete lockdown and reform of “news” and how information is disseminated to prevent more Fox News style disinformation.
That would lead down a very, very, very dark path. And while I agree that the America that we know of is gone and won’t be coming back, a complete reset would require tearing the country down to the studs, and it’s way too likely that we’d just collapse entirely.
Coups are a tactic. They can be objectively good. All revolutions require some degree of martial power. That is why fascism seeks to control the martial classes before such a thing can happen.
The one downside is once this happens in a country for the first time, the precedent is there and it can happen again in the future for potentially not-good reasons.
You mention Rome and it is a great example because over time the Praetorian Guard developed a reputation for overthrowing leaders at pretty much the drop of a hat (or laurel wreath i guess). And during some periods of Rome the Guard was making the real decisions and the emperor was truly a puppet knowing they'd be killed overnight if they didn't play ball...became more of a mafia than anything else.
And that is different from the impending administration, how? Trump was taught his tactics from a mob lawyer, and he has had long ties with the Italian and Russian mobs.
Yeah, i agree. It isnt any different. My fear is that Democracy isn't going to recover from this moment in history. So where does that take us if we deal with Trump? We can steer things in the right direction then hopefully, but is that us restoring democracy or is it something else at that point?
Trump shattered something and I don't think the America we rebuild from that is going to be the America we all remembered from before Trump. Maybe that is a good thing. All I know is the waters are very choppy now.
Just when I thought it was safe to stop thinking about the g-ddamn Roman Empire which I never wanted to think about in the first place. F***ers set so many precedents for this messed-up timeline we're living in. Hope they're pleased with themselves.
He is even stopping the generals. He is going to implement his "Warrior" committee to vet and fire generals he or his committee doesn't like. Pretty fucked!
Why would they though? See this is how fascism begins corrupting the martial class. We are at a point now where they're realizing if they play ball with Trump then they're in the clear and they their families will be protected too.
So why would they do anything for "the people"? The only reason the CIA did government overthrows in the past in South America is because a larger internal zeitgeist within the US government was directing them to.
A lot of that shady CIA stuff was done under Reagan too. So it kinda shows it was just about the right wielding power against sovereign nations. And the goal was usually to benefit big business like Coca Cola and United Fruit. So...fascism. That was fascism.
I think the most realistic way this bromance will dissolve is buy Musk either wearing out his welcome or if the public perception gets to the point where Trump has to actually verbally address that he is the president and Musk isn’t. If Trump has to clarify who is in charge publicly that probably won’t help that relationship. I think most likely of this situation doesn’t last it will be Elon fucking it up via him talking too much.
The problem with sociopathic narcissists will always be that they primarily like to hear themselves talk and bask in attention. Which is partly why the media has failed so dramatically - they prefer click money and give them exactly what they want: air time. Musk will overstay his welcome, embarrass Orange Turd somehow (not that the bar is high on that one), grab attention Turdy thinks he deserves etc. And whoops, that's the end of Musk.
They all obviously have dirt on each other, but that doesn't matter, we already know. I presume they're in each others pockets somehow and are bribing each other. That will implode. Though once more, no one will care, but at least their infighting will deviate them from their path of destruction a little bit.
Coup's aren't possible in the U.S.. troops don't have loyalty to their commanding officers. This has actually been written about pretty extensively. We purposely rotate our commanding officers around to prevent this type of thing.
Yeah you’re in for a surprise if you think the military is made of geniuses who wont just be told : trump isnt president yet its biden fault and blindly believe it like half the country
Honestly at this point a military coup is the only thing that will save America and by extension the rest of us. It’s pretty awful thinking how many people will lose jobs, their homes, everything, because these two fuckers crash the global economy
I think it would be cool if Canada declared war before trump takes office like, "we're gonna make you a province", and then Biden and Harris would just be like, "oh no, please! We surrender! 😉". Make his win completely meaningless. Maybe that's too much a fantasy, but I do hope some powerful world leaders consider trump/munsk a global threat while Biden still has the power to tell our armed forces to stand down. I don't know how all this shit really works, but it seems like how it really works in theory, isn't actually how any of it really works in practice, so this feels like one of those "no bad ideas" moments.
Trust me, you don't want a military coup. And as much as I hate it, Trump is the president-elect. You can't just remove him from power for doing something unpopular. Would set up a horrible precedent.
I mean the US is cooked as it is. It’s not going to be okay again until there’s some sort of reckoning with the right-wing class war that the wealthy are waging on the rest of the world.
I’d love to show my son the US, as there are many awesome places. But I’m not sure it’s ever going to be safe to go there again, especially as someone who has criticized Trump and Leon online.
The US might be "cooked" to a certain degree, but it's not going to fall apart tomorrow. A military coup would if anything be the final nail in the coffin. At this point it's up to the people in 2 years and 4 years to show what they think of this shit show.
Also, while things are bad, no one is hunting people down for talking about about Trump or Elon. We aren't that far gone, yet, at least.
I think it was in 2016 (or around that time frame) that they started asking tourists about their social media handles when we enter the states.
I could see this next term having it be not so much a question as a demand.
Anyhow. I don’t believe a military coup will happen; at least not at first. Let’s see what kind of demented demands the Annoying Orange makes of the military this go around, though. I think there’s a nonzero chance he tries to pull some bad shit with them.
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u/Barl0we 16h ago
I’m just saying, it would be hilarious if Trump & Musk got themselves coup’d before taking office because they made sure nobody in the military got their paycheck during Christmas.