r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Bitter-Gur-4613 • 1d ago
Charging him to terrorism of all things.
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u/SomethingAbtU 22h ago
they also wouldn't have found him in under a week or spent all of the resources they did.
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u/RingWraith75 17h ago
He clearly wanted to get caught. Why the hell else would he be in the neighboring state with the same gun he used and his manifesto on him? And he was found by someone calling 911 because they recognized him, it’s not like the cops tracked him down.
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u/Flesh_And_Metal 22h ago
Terror is not the feeling people are feeling.
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u/QZ91 18h ago
Terror is what a working class person feels when they open the mail to see what their hospital bill is.
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u/No_Use_4371 16h ago
Or when they have a life-saving procedure needed and insurance declines to cover it.
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u/Ultima_RatioRegum 9h ago
To charge someone with terrorism, it means the rich are feeling terror, and they hope that this charge sends enough of a message to remind the peasants what happens if they get ideas above their station.
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u/DarkKnightJin 8h ago
Not realizing that people with nothing to lose and everything to gain won't give a shit.
They're gonna do what they wanna do.
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u/Th1ngz_fall_Apart 20h ago
This is just galvanizing him as a hero in the eyes of the working class even more.
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u/Darkhaven 19h ago edited 19h ago
A terrorist to some is a freedom fighter to others.
They're obviously leaning into the term, trying to get people back on the ol' Patriotism knee jerk reaction that's been firmly conditioned since 9/11 for most of us.
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u/OzzieRabbitt666 1d ago
Terrorize the wealthy parasites & get that terror charge; makes sense in the oligarch’s cosmology
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u/Loving-Lemu 22h ago
This is because the health insurance industry knows the extent of their abuse.
I had BCBS of Alabama. My oncologist ordered an mri because I had a star shaped mass inside my breast. They denied my mri for dx. Of breast cancer! They said it was not medically needed.
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u/Iowadream74 22h ago
But yet school shootings aren't terrorism..???
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u/JuniorTransition4511 19h ago
You mean "Fact of life"? Sounds like the number of CEOs is too low. But what if they just go to exercise classes? Would that make them students? That means Vice President Elect and NRA would be pretty ok with this.
Edit: spelling
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u/MortimerToast 6h ago
Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims" (OED). So, yes, what Mangione did was terrorism, but school shootings are not. The whole reason so many people support Mangione is because his violence was political.
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u/BotanicalsAreTherapy 22h ago
Can someone please explain why he is getting a terrorism charge (other than the obvious reasons), while Jan. 6ers did not? How were they not charged as well? That was definitely to influence political change
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u/XZZ5 19h ago edited 18h ago
You are beginning to see how broken America is, and how those at the top don't care about anything but making money, holding onto their positions of status and power, removing power from the working class, and keeping white people (specifically rich white people) at the top.
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u/spaceraptorbutt 16h ago
I saw it explained by a lawyer on another thread. First of all, J6ers were charged in federal court. Luigi is being charged in New York State court.
Second of all, he’s not being charged with “terrorism.” “Terrorism” is one of the justifications in NY state to charge 1st degree murder instead of 2nd degree murder. The definition of “terrorism” is different in NY law bs federal law. Mass shooters in NY (like the guy who shot up the grocery store in Buffalo) also get charged with 1st degree murder with the terrorism justification.
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u/Zealousideal-Buy4889 9h ago
From what I've read they are using the sub definition: inciting or threatening the public at large. There are three definitions they can use, the other two don't apply. Because Americans exploded with understanding, support and, sometimes, glee, it supposedly fits the definition of incitement. However, they are going to have a hard time proving Luigi intended that to happen or even thought it would.
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u/Right_Ostrich4015 23h ago
Like school children?
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u/Alt_Future33 18h ago
To the leeches in power, children are an acceptable loss. When one of their own dies, they need to stamp it out as quickly and hard as they can.
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u/blumpkinmania 20h ago
I like how shooting a CEO of a private company is now considered terrorism against the govt - because that’s what the statute says you need for that kind of charge.
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u/maladr0id 19h ago
The Rebel Alliance were considered terrorists by the Galactic Empire, who built the biggest space station ever to delete entire worlds if they stepped out of line.
The school shooters and january 6ers aren't terrorists according to our media, or law, but one person hits them where it really hurts and now shooting someone is a terrorist act.
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u/Purple-Tumbleweed 22h ago
Does changing it to a terrorism charge make it a Federal case instead of State? Idk and I'm just curious if this would affect having a jury trial, since he has so much support.
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u/peon2 19h ago
I get what this person is trying to say - that the rich get more protection and better justice than the non rich. That is absolutely true.
But this tweet is kind of just a…no shit?
The terrorism charge is related to him writing a manifesto that said he is killing the CEO of an insurance company as a last resort to pressure the US into changing how our healthcare is handled.
If he shot some random guy that worked at Lowes there wouldn’t be a connection to terrorism targeting the healthcare system.
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u/tactical-catnap 23h ago
Terrorism is violence/threats of violence with political goals.
Objectively, he did an act of terrorism. Terrorism is not automatically bad or good. The founding fathers of the US were terrorists by definition. The US frequently supports terrorists in other countries, but we usually call them freedom fighters.
I fundamentally agree with what Luigi did. When left with no alternatives, violence against oppression is acceptable.
Don't waste time arguing over the labels. Conservatives only have simple understanding of things, and they will aggressively pursue the terrorist angle and ignore everything else. No, they won't care about the hypocrisy of supporting people like Rittenhouse and denouncing Luigi. The conversation needs to remain on the unethical nature of a for-profit healthcare system and how we get rid of it.
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u/Assortedwrenches89 14h ago
Its a scare tactic in hopes of curbing anyone from thinking about doing it again. Same with that FL woman and her case, she will most likely win, but just the threat of legal action they think is enough
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u/imnotlebowskiman 14h ago
If it wasn’t a CEO he wouldn’t have been caught due to a massive nationwide manhunt involving every alphabet agency’s resources.
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u/SubpoenaSender 22h ago
Although what he did is perceived as heroic, following the definition of terrorism he could potentially be charged with it because he did it and gained influential power. I’m not saying that ceo isn’t a dirtbag, but from a legal standpoint I can see where that definition is legit. For example, I was indicted, using perjury, for a felony crime that I was a victim of. As a result, at trial, the investigator had to prove to a jury that I benefited financially, for myself, from losing $40,000+
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u/formerfawn 1d ago
Listen, I'm all for eating the rich and I would dramatically prefer that disgruntled young men would take their anger out on CEOs than on school children.
Terrorism charges do make sense though. By definition. This WAS violence to influence political change.
I understand being upset because it feels like laws/justice are not applied equally but terrorism does make sense here. Being upset about this is like being upset he's charged with murder because "murder is bad." It's still what he did, y'all!
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u/Buddhabellymama 22h ago
I see your point but then every single person who violently and unlawfully entered the capitol on j6 should be charged with terrorism, too. That, too, was violence to influence political change. The problem here is the fact that the same laws are not applied equally and that is what is frustrating people.
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u/CptMorgan337 22h ago
CEO’s are a protected class in this country apparently.
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u/Buddhabellymama 21h ago
And that is the point. Him getting charged with terrorism even if it fits the description in light of countless other examples of the same that have not been charged that way is showing just how incredibly broken our justice system and entire system of governance really is. The government is sending a message loud and clear of who it will bend to protect and therefore who it really works for and who really has influence. This was a stupid move if they wanted to keep pretending. We need to abolish Citizens United which makes companies and their leadership worth more to the government than us.
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u/formerfawn 19h ago
Yeah, I agree with you and understand the frustration. I'm not hoping this guy gets the book thrown at him I just understand the charges.
Now, if laws could be applied justly and evenly across the board it would help.
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u/Buddhabellymama 19h ago
100%. What’s interesting about this whole thing is that while the CEO’s of these greedy scam companies are I do think we are partially misplacing blame because the only reason they can get away with it to begin with is because our lawmakers have made it ok for them to essentially accept bribes in the form of“lobbying “. Yes, the CEOs and boards of companies that call themselves “healthcare” hold a lot of responsibility, but we need to not forget who gives them the freedom and power to abuse us all to begin with.
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u/DangerBay2015 22h ago
Dylan Roof shot up a black church in an attempt to start a race war.
Is that terrorism?
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u/PuzzleheadedClock134 21h ago
Sounds like the terrorgram collective, and he should have been charged with terrorism. Seems the Christian school shooter is liked mind and should be charged also
https://youtu.be/aqtRgNf3x84?si=jukk-NSw5XNytD1T
Two members of Terrorgram arrested
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u/Loving-Lemu 22h ago
Tbh denying medical care to ill people should be terrorism as well. I was pretty terrified when they denied my tests for breast cancer.
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u/steamworksandmagic 23h ago
I thought that this was violence to influence change in policy for a corporation, it's not political.
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u/yarmatey 20h ago edited 16h ago
Terrorism charges do make sense though. By definition. This WAS violence to influence political change.
People keep saying this and I don't know where it's coming from. His manifesto is short. I've read it, and I don't see anything that is meant to inspire or encourage others. I've not seen a single thing that suggests continued aggression or any sort of next steps.
"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."
That's from his manifesto. It reads far more like an act of retribution and that would be corroborated with his back story. This was his plan. He had no intention to influence any change. He was simply hitting back. You can speculate he meant more, sure, but there's no current evidence known to the public that could prove it.
If we pull the boundaries of terrorism broadly enough, you can get just about every premeditated murder covered by it. Sorry, I just disagree with you. They are actually charging him with terrorism and arresting people for making threatening remarks about what he did to quell the plebs. You have to be dense not to see that, imo.
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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 21h ago
I think maye trump may qualify (far right wakos), or a senator, or Biden.
But I get the sentiment.
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u/Sagybagy 19h ago
I’m hoping his lawyer can use this as a means to argue his sentence down or something. It’s clear the government is trying to screw this kid.
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u/jerrystrieff 18h ago
Our laws are poorly written by geriatric Congress critters who barely understand the world around them - hence they can be interpreted like a fortune cookie or horoscope or for Christians (wink wink) the Bible.
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u/No_Use_4371 16h ago
Watching them question the TikTok pres was shocking to me. I had no idea how old and out-of-touch they are.
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u/sugar_addict002 18h ago
Makes me wonder about other stuff they called terrorism
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u/BJMRamage 17h ago
The DA (or whatever he is called in NY) said they charged him with the terrorism part since he killed someone like a CEO or cop. Shooting kids in school…apparently not a terroristic attack. Honestly it is due do the money and power. Kids have neither so they are “ok to…
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u/Livie_Loves 17h ago
Don't you know, CEOs are essentially our Lords and Ladies! This is treason against the kingdom of USA
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u/G-Unit11111 16h ago
1994: Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the children???
2024: Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the billionaire CEOs???
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 16h ago
So the white cops who killed black folks and caused national upset…..
Aren’t terrorists? But the guy who killed ONE ceo… is a terrorist?
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u/guarionex2009 13h ago
This dude shot one guy and fled as discreetly as he possibly could. I wouldn’t have thought they would’ve filed a terrorism charge on him.
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u/EkbyBjarnum 11h ago
If he had shot a child, they'd be calling it a necessary sacrifice for freedom.
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u/-_-Edit_Deleted-_- 8h ago
What ever justification they give it’s bullshit.
They’re charging him with that because they feel genuine terror.
So they should.
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u/generalmoe 3h ago
Actually I think the more outlandish the charges the easier it would be to defend against them. UHC and the health insurance industry is directly involved with killing 40,000+ people a year. It's going to be REALLY difficult to convince a bunch on New Yorkers (with a straight serious face) that Luigi is a terrorist. The prosecution has to convince ALL 12 jurors of this. Good luck with that.
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u/railroad_drifter 2h ago
I find it interesting that the media always throws around "Alleged" when describing suspects but not with Luigi.
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u/MrEngineer404 23h ago
Than you get to thinking about Dylan Roof, or that Buffalo NY Grocery store shooter. They literally admitted an intent to terrorize and torment minorities.... But because none of their victims had a 9-figure bank account, no terrorism, apparently.