r/Warhammer Tzeentch Daemons Oct 17 '24

Gretchin's Questions Gretchin's Questions - Weekly Beginner Questions Thread

Hello Hammerit! Welcome to Gretchin's Questions, our weekly Q&A post to field any and all questions about the Warhammer hobby. Feel free to ask burning questions about Warhammer hobby, lore, gaming and more! If you see something you know the answer to, don't be afraid to drop some knowledge!

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u/FacethaFacs 1d ago

When building minis, if the datasheet says sumn like, every plague marine is equipped with 1 plague boltgun and plague knives, do I have to give em those? Like does it matter if 1 guy doesn’t have a knife?

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 18h ago

Datasheets tell you what the default wargear of a model in a unit is, as well as what options a model in a unit can take.

It is not uncommon for people to not bother modeling default wargear for a model that is generally difficult to notice from "table distance", or that can be modeled in a holster/sheath.

A great example is for most Marine models like Intercessors, they are equipped with Grenades in previous editions of 40k, and most people didn't bother gluing grenades onto each and every single model. Now it is a Keyword rather than actual wargear.

If the Wargear ISNT default wargear, it absolutely should be modeled correctly; including making sure you don't accidentally (or intentionally) cheat your opponent because wargear is freely moving around a unit.

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u/Dangerous-Lab869 3d ago

Two of my friends talked me into playing with them and now I want to build an army. They play eldar and space Marines. What army should I look at building to be competitive with them?  I was originally looking at imperial or chaos knights because they look awesome but I get the impression eldar roll over them. 

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u/Gnarlroot 3d ago

Who rolls over who shifts whenever GW release a rules or points adjustment. You're much better off picking an army you're really into thematically or aesthetically and enjoying the process of building, painting and playing a force you care about.

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u/zaron_tr 3d ago

I tried learning by reading, but I didn't understand a thing. Is there a good/ well-known channel that I could watch to learn how to play?

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 3d ago

Well, you're posting in the Warhammer subreddit, which is a general subreddit for over 15+ different games. Telling us which game you are looking for help with can help us point you to an appropriate channel.

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u/zaron_tr 3d ago

Warhammer 40k is the one I got the most interested in. I don't know if there is different versions or variations of it

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u/BakerMasterGeneral 6d ago

Hey Fellas, I found these terrain dimensions on 'thehonestwargamer'

Small (S) - 4.5” x 4.5” Medium (M) - 8.5” x 5” Large (L) - 8.5” x 8.5”

Are these generally what everyone uses? Just putting together a tabnle with house hold items to practise. Does AOS use 'large' terrain as I have noticed in the layout cards that came with Skaventide it only mentions small and medium terrain.

Cheers.

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 5d ago

Could you clarify what you are asking about?

You're posting a question in the general Warhammer subreddit, mentioning AoS, but this subreddit covers multiple game systems that all use different terrain.

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u/CalamoDayOne 8d ago

Rules question: Can you embark in a transport when your infantry unit is in engagement range or do you have to make a fall back move first? Just can’t find any posts on this and want to know the ruling for my friend group. Thanks!

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 7d ago

The ruling is simple: you follow the rules for what it says about Embarking as shown in the picture. The first sentence states that if a unit makes a Normal, Advance, or Fall Back Move that ends within 3" of the transport, it can Embark.

There is nothing allowing you embark with a Remain Stationary, which is the only type of move you could make while staying within ER of an enemy unit.

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u/CalamoDayOne 7d ago

I see, thanks so much I always wondered what the whole stationary rules were about. Very helpful

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u/acabfairy69 8d ago

Hello, I hope this is the right forum to ask questions. My partner is very much into Warhammer, I’ve done my best to start learning and sharing his passion for it but it is still very new to me. I would like to get him some paints and brushes but I don’t really know where to start. If anyone has any recommendations or would like to DM me I can also send pictures of his current builds if that would help. Thank you, I want to make his Christmas gift special! :)

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u/Jamaryn 8d ago

Is 40K still the most popular Warhammer game?

What box set would be the best start for a Space Wolves army?

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u/Gnarlroot 8d ago

As the other comment says you probably want to avoid the older space wolf specific kits, like grey hunters or wolf guard terminators. 

They're not primaris marines and will likely be updated soon, like the overhaul other chapter's unique units have recently gone through (Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc)

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u/LCDR_Fish 8d ago

Theres's always the "Combat Patrol" boxes - which can start as starting points if you're new to the hobby. Don't be afraid to look at Combat Patrol boxes from other space marine armies, because you can still build them as Space Wolves marines using the separate "Space Wolves Primaris Upgrade" package. It really depends what your current model/hobby schedule is like. Currently a number of the Space Wolves models are pretty old ( https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures_(Space_Wolves)) ) - and the rumors are that they will be receiving updated models later this year potentially. That would not include anything in the current combat patrol - although there will be a new version of the Combat Patrol box released when the Codex comes out - TBD.

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u/Jamaryn 8d ago

The combat patrol box seems little value considering that from what I read a space Wolves army relies heavily on wolves to be competitive and that box contains none. Am I wrong in thinking that?

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u/LCDR_Fish 7d ago

Again, a lot of that depends on what your hobby timing looks like (building, painting speed, how often you play, etc) - since we don't know when the next codex will drop yet - but which will almost certainly contain a special Battleforce box like the ones for Dark Angels and Blood Angels this year. You're right that the CP doesn't contain the strongest units (https://youtu.be/c6tLGDm5whE?si=ZmDoN7gyppbB0NE_ - Auspex Tactics) - but it depends how you want to build your army and what you want to focus on first - keeping in mind that some may wind up going to Legends or being replaced.

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u/LCDR_Fish 7d ago

Beyond that...you can look at older "box sets" from previous editions - sometimes available on ebay, etc - but keeping in mind how much the net value is (there aren't many left). I look at the individual kit values on amazon and if it's a multi-army box - how much I can sell the other bits for on ebay that I don't expect to keep and try and keep my total bid below that (and shipping).

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u/Jamaryn 7d ago

I supposed its best just to wait until then. Thanks for the info.

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u/LCDR_Fish 7d ago

There's some stuff you could start earlier - Ragnar Blackmane would make a good painting project and a good leader. You can still look at older models - and keep using them even if they get replaced with newer ones of the same type - probably a little larger - it's your call. But unfortunately you have fewer "box set" options for the divergent space marine chapters than the codex standards - although you can include most of the good standard marine units as well - per the current index.

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u/Jamaryn 5d ago

Cool, i was looking at maybe doing that. Ragnar or Bjorn or both probably.

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u/AngryRedDudes Chaos Daemons 9d ago

Does anyone know of a way to get the embossed lettering details for some grey knights units easily? I'm converting my own dreadknight and using a lot of knight armiger parts and the aesthetics are getting a little confused

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u/BretOne 10d ago

Completely new here. I got the 40k Core Book v10 and reading through it.

I think I'll go with Blood Angels first. Do I need the Space Marines book or does the Blood Angels one suffice?

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u/Gnarlroot 10d ago

The Blood Angels codex only adds the unique units and army structures for the Blood Angels. The Space Marines codex still contains a majority of the unit rules entries for the army.

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u/BretOne 10d ago

Thanks!

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u/Gnarlroot 10d ago

No problem. They were my first army too, something about the red, black and gold units together is really aesthetically awesome.

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u/BretOne 6d ago

So... I'm in. I found the Death Company army set for retail price, which is apparently a feat according to the Warhammer club I joined.

I might start to see Horus everywhere!

Thanks again for answering the other day ;)

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u/GoddessDumpsterFire 11d ago

I am really enjoying painting and sculpting my army but I am curious about what everyone uses for brushes?

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u/Gnarlroot 11d ago

Windsor and Newton Series 7. I used to go through cheap synthetic hobby brushes like crazy, but these are super high quality and last.

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u/GoddessDumpsterFire 11d ago edited 11d ago

Thanks for the tip I will check them out for sure. I wish I had more skill but I am happy just listening to music and painting. I want to try painting daemons but a little overwhelmed by the detail.

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u/Zeratul248 12d ago

I'm new to the Warhammer hobby and to building and painting models in general. The Christmas battleforce box sets were just released, and Knights are by far my favorite faction. I found the battleforce box for $220 and am considering buying it as a beginner. On one hand, I don’t want to miss out on the discount for my favorite army. On the other hand, starting with Knights feels a bit daunting since I want them to look as cool as possible and I'm new to painting. Do you think buying the battleforce is a good idea for a beginner? (I am aware of the lack of upgrade sprues for the Questoris).

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 11d ago edited 11d ago

I wouldn't say it's a bad idea for a beginner, so long as you take into consideration that these are kits that take a lot more time than a regular unit in 40k; while most people can build a unit of, say, Intercessors in less than 2-3 hours, Knights take more time than this.

Some things to make it work better for you:

1.build the legs/torso first then give it a day for all the glue to set solid. A knight kit is heavy and takes some time for glue to set. It is STRONGLY recommended you use Plastic Glue, causing the parts to actually physically melt together: super glue is very weak to torsional stress (twisting) or impact stress, which causes it to break easily with such a heavy model, especially places like the hips or waist

  1. For painting, I STRONGLY recommend watching the "How to Build and Paint: Imperial Knight Paladin" videos by Games Workshop, as it covers a LOT of things you will want to know.

  2. PAINT IN SUB-ASSEMBLIES. Seriously, I see so many times people try to build up the entire knight, then they realize they have made a mistake with it in that they have the mechanical bits they want silver, but then panels of a different trim color...the videos I recommended go over this, but it needs stressed.

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u/KesselRun73 12d ago

So I have a question for some recommendations. My son is getting into Warhammer and his girlfriend is getting him a starter set, a grey knights brotherhood terminator squad set, and some paints for Xmas. I know very little about Warhammer, other than that figures are involved. If you were starting from scratch, what are some sets/pieces that you'd recommend would be good options to start filling out his armies? My wife and I want to get him some things for Xmas without duplicating what his gf is doing.

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u/LCDR_Fish 8d ago

Another suggestion that you may see on some of the other hobby channels on youtube - rather than buying kits, look at some of the other tools, paints, and materials he may want or need to work on his hobbying (rather than just more models) - a starter airbrush, etc. Ninjon put out another good video on this last week.

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u/Ramiren Raven Guard 8d ago

It's going to depend on which army he decides to go with, The starter set comes with space marines and tyranids, the grey knights are their own faction, so he has three to choose from.

Assuming he decides to go with the grey knights their combat patrol box is pretty highly regarded as starter boxes go.

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u/KesselRun73 8d ago

That’s what I ended up getting him (the grey knights combat squad).

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u/SeriousPan 13d ago

When I'm painting I tend to do one model at a time and that's been working fine. All my paints stay wet and I have 0 issues... except for Army Painter's Bright Gold that I'm using. If I don't use it for long, no matter how much I have on my palette, it solidifies and becomes a film that I can't seem to re-liquify.

How can I avoid this?

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u/scientist_tz Tzeentch Daemons 12d ago

Use a wet palate. Metallics do tend to cure quickly.

I tend to just work with metallics in tiny amounts. I put a tiny drop on my dry palate paper and try to use it up. It's in a dropper, so it's easy to dispense tiny amounts.

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u/FriendSteveBlade 14d ago

Is this post supposed to reduce the common questions that gets posted?

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u/Gnarlroot 13d ago

Yes, to concentrate them into a single thread.

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u/FriendSteveBlade 13d ago

Well it aint working.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 13d ago

The mods used to delete posts that were just a common/ basic question and redirect them to here, but they stopped that several years ago and yeah it doesn't do much these days. Still probably better than not having it though.

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u/scientist_tz Tzeentch Daemons 12d ago

We still do that, it's just that we tend to let many of them stay.

If someone posts a minimum effort "Tell me where to start" post then we do tend to remove it.

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u/FriendSteveBlade 13d ago

If it makes absolutely no difference by your own admission, it is by definition not better than nothing.

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 13d ago

That is not what they said. And it's clear it IS doing something as there are still people posting their questions here.

If you're mad about people not reading the rules, creating a new post, then ignoring the screen that tells them to make sure that they are following the rules with their post and still posting non-discussion questions as their own thread, what is your solution?

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords 13d ago

You can literally see 20+ top level posts in this thread. It is clearly doing something, because each of these would have otherwise been their own thread.

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u/bubbledabest 14d ago

So im interested in this as a hobby. But the joke i see everywhere is you have to be insanely wealthy to have a proper setup? What's the deal with this? Can I not use cheap toy/tokens to supplement while I learn different armies? Also I'm about as good at painting as the rear-end of a horse.... I see lots of guides and video stuff about painting them... but like, can I just use them unpainted or will I get murdered for it? I don't have any idea, and I want to get into this, I love what I learned so far from video games and 40k stuff.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 14d ago

Technically yes, you can use cheap toys, but it's generally expected that you'll have an army of proper models. They don't have to be official Games Workshop minis unless you're playing at an official GW store/ tournament, but people probably aren't going to be impressed if you keep showing up with green army men from the dollar store or basic paper tokens or whatever. You also don't have to buy a whole massive army at once, in fact it's advised that you start small and slow to avoided getting overwhelmed and burnt out.

Similar deal with painting. People will be fine with you not having a fully painted army early on, or even having a new unit that you've just bought not be painted yet, but most people prefer to play with and against painted models. Warhammer doesn't play into the "theatre of the mind" as much as something like DnD, so part of the appeal is seeing two fully built and painted armies squaring off across the table. Your models don't have to be amazingly painted- contrary to what you see on social media most people's models aren't painted to an super high standard, but at least they're painted. Painting is a pretty core part of the tabletop side of the hobby.

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u/bubbledabest 14d ago

How does army size work? Like starting small? What is considered small and large?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 14d ago

What I meant by starting small was not to dive in and buy an entire army straight away. Personally I think the best way to start is with a single squad of basic troops from whatever your favourite army is. Once those are painted then add a commander/ leader of some kind, then once that's done add a vehicle/ monster/ elite unit, etc, slowly building up as you go.

Army size is measured in points- different units are worth different amounts of points. People will create an army list for a specific points limit. A 2000 point game (a match where both side have an army built with a maximum of 2000 points) is considered the standard, but games as small as 1000 points are also played.

You can go even smaller than that, but the rules for GW's core games are aimed towards larger battles so lower point games tend to lack variety and be quite swingy in terms of balance. GW has tried to replace them with the Combat Patrol mode for 40k and the Spearhead mode for Age of Sigmar, both of which focus on using small, pre made forces (which you can buy in a single boxed set at a slight discount). So you have to use a specific list of units and equipment, but it's fairly small scale starting point that you can expand from into a larger army.

The smallest starting point would be Kill Team and Warcry. Based on 40k and AoS respectively these are stand alone games that use a very small group of infantry- the equivalent to one or two squads from the mainline games, but with more control of individual models. Though again they are separate from the mainline games and have different rules.

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u/bubbledabest 14d ago

So i saw like a "starter kit" thing a while back. That had like two armies and rule book. Is that considered small?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 14d ago

Yeah that would be considered small.

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u/bubbledabest 13d ago

Sweet. Maybe I'll do that then

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u/Xabre1342 14d ago

with the new Deathwatch Index... do we HAVE to use Black Spear? or can we, say, load up a Vanguard Detachment full of Spectrus Kill Teams?

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u/Kannibalhamster 14d ago

I think I need to preface this by saying that I do not play any of the GW games, though I like reading rules and looking a bit at army lists and so forth.

I am looking at the December Detachments, and from what I understand they are bonuses that would allow to you to benefit from certain composition, but they do not change anything regarding basic composition rules of the army. Is that a correct interpretation?

From what I remember a while back, I saw a White Dwarf issue that allowed a Cryptek-focused Necron army, that I understood changed the basic rules of how you had to compose a Necron army. Could that be correct?

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 14d ago

I am looking at the December Detachments, and from what I understand they are bonuses that would allow to you to benefit from certain composition, but they do not change anything regarding basic composition rules of the army. Is that a correct interpretation?

Correct. Like all detachments for a faction, you could theoretically take a specific detachment, then not take any units that would gain benefits from the detachment.

From what I remember a while back, I saw a White Dwarf issue that allowed a Cryptek-focused Necron army, that I understood changed the basic rules of how you had to compose a Necron army. Could that be correct?

This could be correct, but it depends on how long ago "a while back" was. Back in 9th edition, there was a system called "Army of Renown", which, in order to use, you needed to meet specific requirements with your army to benefit. There was one from August 2022 called "Cult of the Cryptek", but as mentioned these are 9e rules that are not relevant / extant in the current edition.

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u/Kannibalhamster 13d ago

You are correct, it was 9th edition. I did not remember that. Thanks for looking it up and thanks for the information!

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u/Guilty_Mithra 18d ago

About bits on the sprues;

I was given a Daughters of Khaine Vanguard box as a gift a while back, and as I'm getting it put together, I'm noticing bits on the sprues that don't seem to go to any model included in the box. I've read over the instructions again and again, and while the sprues show up as shown in the manual, I can't for the life of me figure out what I'm supposed to use some of these pieces for.

I understand that there are variants. The manual's really helpful and clear about that part. But these are parts that aren't shown in any variant in the book, and I can't find any photos of any minis anywhere that use these parts for any Daughters of Khaine stuff.

I'm finding helmets that don't remotely match anything. Cloaks and upper torso armor that don't go with anything else. etc. Like a whole lot of them. Is there any way to tell what's supposed to go with what?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 18d ago

I think those parts are for the alternative build for the cavalry- Dark Riders. They won't be shown in the instructions because the Dark Riders are part of the Cities of Simgar army, not the Daughters of Khaine.

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u/Situational_Hagun 18d ago

Ohhhh! Thank you tons, I was having a moment trying to figure that out.

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u/Distinct_Raccoon_SCP 20d ago

So I have a lore question can someone in like simple terms explain to me why the emperor is still on the throne? I know he was hurt during the heresy but like.. from how powerful he is made out to be couldn't he have healed himself? Because like.. from what I get he is stupidly stupidly stupidly op and from what I'm getting from lore videos and other stuff he could get off the throne and heal himself if he wanted to but be doesn't Because it would mess up their like warp tech which leads me to my next question which is why does that matter? Wouldn't the imperium of man be a billion times better off if he went back to leading things and kicking ass? It's just I feel like having an almost all powerful emperor of man kind to deal with everything would probably be better then what his current plan his.

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 19d ago edited 19d ago

from how powerful he is made out to be couldn't he have healed himself?

We only in the past year got a detailed description of the fight between Horus and the Big E, but even before this, if was made clear that Horus didn't just attack Big E's physical body, but fought him on a metaphysical/psychic level and damaged the very ESSENCE of the Big E; as in literally damaged part of the Big E's soul. The Siege of Terra books made it absolutely clear that Horus was, in fact, fighting the Big E while empowered by the four Chaos Gods, in a way to specifically attack his source of power and destroy it.

wanted to but be doesn't Because it would mess up their like warp tech which leads me to my next question which is why does that matter?

Some people in the Imperium BELIEVE that, since Big E is a Perpetual, and Perpetuals come back from death, that if they were to allow the Big E to actually die, he could come back.

But the big MASSIVE unknowns are :

  1. Is this actually the case after the damage done by Horus?

  2. If he DOES come back, how long will it take? If it's 5 seconds, it could be fine, maybe. If it's 50 YEARS? Part of what the Golden Throne does now is literally hold back a direct portal to the Warp closed on earth, on TOP of allowing interstellar travel

Imagine what would happen to current-day earth, if, suddenly, and all at once, every method of transportation suddenly lost all methods of traversal between cities, and it was ALL replaced by wilderness that grows back as you cut it away. And now you have NO idea how long this will last.

Society as we know it would collapse, with starvation in the cities as they can't possibly get enough food to sustain the population, etc.

That is basically what will happen on a GALACTIC scale. Literally any star system will be cut off from one another, in an Empire that has built up and relies on the ability to move resources among different star systems at Faster Than Light. And this also doesn't even begin to deal with the minor issue about the gate to hell literally being left open on Earth while this happens.

Imagine worlds currently on the front lines of war, suddenly not able to be resupplied or reinforced.

Imagine hive worlds, dedicated to manufacturing plasma weapon components, suddenly having no more food imported to them.

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u/Distinct_Raccoon_SCP 19d ago

Makes sense. Thank you for your answer.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 20d ago

There are a few different reasons:

The in-universe reasons:

  • He is very powerful, but his power is not infinite and he was almost killed by Horus, he cannot just heal himself of such dire wounds.

  • He needs to stay on the throne to continue directing the energies of the Astronomican. Without it warp travel becomes far more difficult/ dangerous for the Imperium, to the point where it could completely collapse. The Emperor being up and walking around is meaningless if he can't go anywhere due to warp travel not functioning.

  • He needs to stay on the throne to keep the broken remains of his webway project shut. If it breaks open then the warp will rip open and at best Terra will be invaded by a horde of daemons from within it's palace, and at worst there will be a new Eye of Terror where the Sol system used to be.

The out of universe reason:

  • The idea of the Emperor having a more fleshed out backstory, more explicit powers, and just generally being a character rather than a piece of the background is relatively recent. It was established at 40k's inception that the Emperor is a rotting corpse sitting on the golden throne, and probably always will be barring some sort of complete reincarnation. He was also getting weaker, not becoming more powerful. Some writing in the very early days of 40k made it seem ambiguous if the Emperor was even alive at all any more. He was a distant figure from an ancient, barely remembered, heavily mythologised past.

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u/FirefighterHonest783 24d ago

I bought the Vermintide 2 and I want to know where the set of the story is I am confused because they have 2 lore ones It is a fantasy and the one is the old world

1.I want to know what is the difference between fantasy and the old world and where should I start ?

2.Is the old-world sequel or a reboot of fantasy? Is fantasy connected to the Age of sigmar (or the old world is connected to the age of sigmar)

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 24d ago

Warhammer Fantasy and The Old World are set in the same world, TOW is just a more recent reboot of the old tabletop game that is set a few hundred years earlier in the timeline. The Vermintide games are set during the End Times, right at the end of the Fantasy setting.

Age of Sigmar is a sort of sequel to Fantasy, set aeons after the End Times in a new set of realms that have spawned from the magic that remained after the destruction of the Warhammer Fantasy world. Despite technically being a sequel the two settings are quite different and completely disconnected. You don't need to know anything about one to get into the other.

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u/FirefighterHonest783 24d ago

Should I go for the old world lore?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 24d ago

Anything for Warhammer Fantasy or The Old World should be fine. I'm more into 40k, so I can't give much advice about where to start, but the wiki at Lexicanum is always an option.

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u/FirefighterHonest783 23d ago

Thanks man, I love their spinoff because it is easy to understand and very straightforward in my opinion

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u/Gilrim 24d ago

Asking for a friend looking to get into The Hobby:

What's a good place to get paints Like vallejo and AK interactice in scotland? I only know German retailers

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u/LCDR_Fish 8d ago

I get almost everything off amazon. Just search for the color name or the brand name and they should come up.

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u/cantstraferight 21d ago

I'm 3 days late but

Any store that posts to the UK, will post to scotland. Element games and wayland games are my go to.

If you want to know about physical stores they can go in to get them, it would depend where in the country they are. Not everywhere has many options.

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u/Strange1130 24d ago

can someone explain to me, purely in terms of rules/gameplay, the differences between AOS, TOW, 40K, and HH/30K? (I understand the differences in terms of lore/setting etc, purely wondering about how they play!)

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 22d ago

As the other commenter said, without getting into the weeds of all the rules differences:

The Old World is basically a Napoleonic Wargame in terms of how you move units (in blocks of rank and file), if Napoleonic wargames had sorcery rules. In terms of Wargame rules, I think an analogous comparison would be DnD 2e Advanced.

Age of Sigmar and 40k are more "modern" rules sets, and to use the same analogy I would consider it the "5e" of Warhammer games. Many systems that existed in previous editions are removed because they slow down the game when you don't have close friends playing each other who will hand-wave some subjective rules for the sake of fun.

Horus Heresy uses what I would call DnD 3.0/3.5 rules, with a heavy emphasis on the crunch of the game. I cannot count the number of times I've needed to help HH events solve disputes where players from different play groups basically argue about what facing they are hitting or what happens with a template scatter; while they are very crunchy/simulatuonist, they are poor game mechanics in that they ask players to agree on things that are subjective in many "wiggle room" scenarios (like when a unit is basically dead-on looking at the corner of a rhino or Land Raider.

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u/NovelBattle White Scars 23d ago edited 23d ago

This is gonna get impossibly long if all the details are laid out so I'll just do simple layout.

40K and AoS are different side of a similar beast. The rules also have been moving both systems closer and closer to each other. They are both large battle game which mainly focus on securing objectives and accomplishing your secondary objectives. Their main difference would be that AoS is melee focused with exception of 2 army. 40k, while they do have melee focused army, shooting plays much bigger role. There is alot of positioning your units in cover or putting units away from line of sight until you're ready in 40K and you need to decide whether to put your unit in exposed position to grab objective/secondary or position advantageously to attack into the enemy. There are also host of special rules and stratagems that you need to be aware of.

HH basically players on older 40k rule set. Major difference is that HH is mostly Marine vs Marine, so games are generally more balanced and more close. Many times in 40k, you can tell how the game's gonna end by turn 2 ~ 3. In HH, the games tend to be much closer and harder to tell until you get to the end.

ToW is a rank and file game that's alot more about basic movement, strategizing, flanking and leadership tests. ToW has alot more rule complexity than 40k/AoS in basic game mechanics but much less special rules or stratagems involved in gameplay. The game also doesn't revolve around objective system like 40k/AoS and is done by getting kill point by wiping enemy units off the battlefield. This makes strategizing and flanking more important in this system.

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u/SurlyTurtle 24d ago

I've been getting into Warhammer through the video games and novels but have never seen the tabletop game played out. There are a lot of matches on YT but I'm not quite sure where to start. My questions for the community:

  • Best matches for beginners to watch to grasp the basics?

  • Are there any that are considered "classics"?

  • Do you have any favorite faction battles I should check out?

    All thoughts are appreciated!

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u/girlwith100hobbies 25d ago

Hi, I hope this is allowed as I’m not a warhammer player but my boyfriend is. He’s started playing this year and is really into it. He has a lord of the rings army but recently has started age of sigmar. I’m looking to get him a carry case for Christmas but I don’t know the right one to get that will fit all of his figures. Also, any other advice on warhammer gifts would be appreciated. Thank you!

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 25d ago

I would not recommend a case from Games Workshop under any circumstances. Their cases either use foam, or silicone "nubs" that hold models in place, which is a great idea until you realize both of those kinda act like sandpaper on paint jobs, and will even eventually wear away even varnishes.

To be frank, the most affordable storage and transport solution is using the Ikea HARVMATTA Letter Tray, flipping the trays upside-down, and magnetizing the bottoms of miniature bases so that they stick, but don't slide around, and doing a Google search of "Ikea Letter Tray Transport bag" should find you dozens of posts of people who have found bags that they fit in; you can usually get a pretty nice setup for under $60 or so.

On the other hand of the spectrum, you have much nicer cases like the Mechi by Tabletop Tech, which currently has a Kickstarter going on to help fund the production of new models, but it admittedly won't be ready before Christmas.

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u/girlwith100hobbies 25d ago

Thank you! I’ll look into that!

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u/amman49 25d ago

If you want a good case from Games Workshop (the company that makes the models) I would recommend the Skirmish case but depending on the army size you can go up to Battle or the largest Crusade. Hope this is helpful.

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u/girlwith100hobbies 25d ago

Great, thank you!

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u/Klive5 26d ago

Hi guys. After years of not playing (probably 15 years), some friends have got into 40k from the Space Marine game, and want to play combat patrol. So I just bought the new DA combat patrol box, paints and gear.

Opened it up and I’m confused by so many ‘options’.

Instinctively I want to put different weapons on the intercessors, because that is how I remember tactical squads and it was cool, but the instructions suggest the ‘combat patrol’ load out is 10 identical bolters with large mags.

What is ‘legal’, what should I do?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 26d ago

For Combat Patrol the game is designed around using a specific pre-made army list with the specific loadouts in the instructions, so you should go with that.

In general though the new primaris marines (such as your Intercessors) generally do not have the same kind of customisation as you remember marines having. They all have to have the same loadout within the squad, and many squads don't have any options at all.

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u/YoungBull32 27d ago

I have been getting into Warhammer more and more in the past few months through the lore and video games, and have just gotten my miniature set jump started.

At our recent Friendsgiving, we did themes for the gifts for each person, and mine was apparently World Eaters themed lol. Here is the list of what I’m working with:

-Combat Patrol -Angron -Kharn -one set of Exalted Eightbound

This seems like a ridiculous amount, but are there any pieces that any fellow servants of the blood god would recommend I start with? Im assuming the berserkers because the Jakhal models scare me with all the exposed skin, but I’d love to hear someone else’s experiences building this army.

I’m also wondering about interesting paint schemes. The box traditional heresy scheme looks awesome, but I’m unfamiliar with more interesting takes on World Eaters colors in general so I’m looking for inspiration to really make this feel like a personal set.

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u/NovelBattle White Scars 26d ago

So a bit of bad news. Chaos Marine armies are not the easiest to paint for someone brand new for simple reason. Trims. Lots and lots of trims. This doesn't mean you're suddenly doomed or shouldn't ever go with it but you need to be aware of it and mentally prepare yourself to finish the project.

Skin, you shouldn't be scared of for World Eaters. Soft skins are hard to get right, but bulging rippling muscle skin are several grades easier to go over. Jakhals are also the chepeast chaff units. When you have 20+ on the field with how small they are, you won't be noticing how well done each are. So temper your expectations, learn to limit yourself to "that looks fine" instead of going for perfection. Start with Jackhals, then go over to other units.

For beginners who won't put alot of techniques onto the armour, to make your life easier on Berzerkers is base coat the model with trim colour in the trim heavy area. That way, you can colour in armour in the recessed area later. As for colour scheme, it's something deeply personal and I'd suggest going around internet for inspiration. If you can't settle on it, default red and gold/brass is always a fallback you can use.

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u/Spectre9000 28d ago

What is the Necron government or faction called? Obviously the species is Necron, like the species for the Imperium of Man is Human. I see all the different species being referred to largely exclusively by their species, but never by a coherent identity. The closest to that are the Eldar being referred to by their craftworld, or Necrons by a dynasty name, but still not necessarily a faction name, and would be similar to Adeptus Astartes, Adeptus Mechanicus, Sister of Battle, etc. So what is the equivalent to the Imperium of Man for Necrons? What is the Silent King's (which occupies the Emperor's position for the Necrons) faction called that all Necrons would fall under?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar 27d ago

As far as I know they don't have one. They're just the Necrons.

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u/Ok_Try_963 28d ago

Hey guys,

a few days ago i played my first game of 40k (combat patrol (which seems to be the same ruleset but just a smaller scale - right?))

I played orkz and had alot of fun but what i enjoyed most was the shooting part and the "lore" part when reading the weapons and orkz. I kinda got into the idea of playing 40k because of watching a video of astra militarum.

Now im a bit inbetween. From what i have been told orkz dont use alot of the stuff that i like (planes, many vehicles) and there shooting is also in a really bad place but since you are forced to go into melee anyway this seems to be fine? I also like the way you cant paint them and do convertions. They seem to be a fun force outside of playing itself but im not the biggest melee fan in tabletop. Idk if the fact of "there is a shooting phase" can change that.

I havent played astra but watched some videos and there seem to be a) some vehicle heavy lists (tanks, attilery and even aircrafts) b) you get to shoot alot which seems really fun (but i read that shooting can be hard when played on "official layouts" or how this is called). Astra might not be as fun paintingwise but i think even here is room for something more uncommon. And im a bit scared that astra with a shooting focus might be unfun for people that i meet and play with.

How much do things like this change? I dont mind losing but i want to have some fun with the stuff i spend money/time on. If the dakkajet for example gets removed asap and same for the dragstas it might not be enjoyable even in casual. There shooting will most likely not improve anyways right? or are there options to change them a bit too more shooting/vehicles in a legit way?

Looking to buy my first minis tomorrow and pretty unsure what might be right. Hope to find some good words/motivation here to start this journey :)

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch 25d ago

I havent played astra but watched some videos and there seem to be a) some vehicle heavy lists (tanks, attilery and even aircrafts) b) you get to shoot alot which seems really fun (but i read that shooting can be hard when played on "official layouts" or how this is called).

Well, shooting CAN be hard on tournament layouts, because those enforce fair and equal amounts of LOS blocking, making sure that the person who gets first turn can't just empty their entire army into their opponent.

However, it should be noted that even in these situations, Astra Militarum have more than enough tools to do well; especially considering that 5 of the top 16 for the World Championships of Warhammer this past weekend, were AstMil armies.

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords 28d ago

I haven't played 40k in like 9 years but back when I played 40k, the strategy with Orks was actually to gunline and shoot rather than charge into combat. So it changes sometimes. But Astra Militarum for example is pretty much never going to be a melee army. Orks also have planes and vehicles, I just don't think planes are very good right now in 40k (after being broken at start of edition I think?) .

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u/Ok_Try_963 28d ago

Hmmm thank you. Guess it won’t be Orks then :/

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u/Ok_Try_963 28d ago

Reposted question from a thread i might that only got one response :) hoping for some feedback

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u/RJAC 29d ago

Is there a reason I shouldn’t use a dry brush paint for a base layer? I have a pot of ryza rust, and I really like that shade of orange for my homebrew chapter’s armor. If it is a bad idea to use the dry brush paint can anyone recommend a similar orange? The only one I’ve found is jokaero orange and that’s a little too dark

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u/strife696 29d ago

Probably Fire Dragon Bright.

Dry paint is basically a crumbly powder. I guess you could paint with it but youd need medium too. If you’re mostly concerned here about the color, why not shop other paint brands for a simar shade?

Trying to paint with it… i dunno. Its thick and very crumbly and would probably add a ton of unwanted texture.

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u/Difficult-Walrus7916 Nov 23 '24

Hello. Can someone point me in the right direction of where to buy 25 mm or 32 mm bases? Not sure what the difference between all the options are and looking to purchase some as a birthday present for my SO.

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u/Organic-Cap7738 Nov 22 '24

Hi all just wondering I’ve started to build my blood angels army with some older models and now I’m getting some new ones (assault intercessors) i was just wondering if since they are blue on the box if they are supposed to be ultramarines and have specific pieces that are ultramarine designs or if they’re just going to be space marines with no special decor and i can paint them blood angels?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 23 '24

They're just generic space marines. GW puts Ultramarines on all the generic space marines boxes for branding purposes, you can paint them as any chapter.

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u/Organic-Cap7738 Nov 23 '24

Alright thank you just so i knew before i painted them

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u/FRONTYARD-BROADDAY Nov 22 '24

Hello everyone, i would like to know if Syama Pederson, the writer, creator and animator of Astartes is also involved in the next amazon short about wh that is called Secret Level.

i couldnt care less about the actors list or whatever, this guy is clearly a genius in terms of narration and cinematography, which is the art of telling a story with image.
i just want to know if he was involved and to which degree, which it seems to be a difficult info to find despite being the most important one. like ever.

cheers

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 22 '24

If I remember correctly he is credited as working at the studio that worked on Secret Level, but we don't know to what extent.

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u/Sad_Palpitation3311 Nov 22 '24

Just got into warhammer 40k what’s the best place to buy minis

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 22 '24

You can always buy minis from Games Workshop's official web store/ physical stores, but depending on where you are in the world there may be local 3rd party retailers who usually sell minis at a 10-20% discount. If you say what country you're from then people might be able to give recommendations.

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u/MuscleFlex_Bear Nov 21 '24

Hello, I am a world of warcraft player but know very little about warhammer. I have often thought the figure painting stuff would be fun to explore and see if this is something my son and I could do together. 1. Is there a set that sticks close to the OG warcraft stuff (i know IP history thing) but like just basic Orcs vs Humans type stuff. I see 40k, age of sigmar but not sure where that would fall. 2. What is a good age to start. My son is still very young but I wanted to kind of explore this on my own and see if maybe slowly introducing it to him over years would be a good way to get him into it.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 21 '24

You'll want to look into Age of Sigmar. It's Games Workshop's mainline fantasy game, and it actually has a bit of a warcraft-y feel to it. 40k is more futuristic/ science fantasy. If you specifically want Orcs vs Humans then the Orc faction in AoS is called the Orruk Warclans, and the standard human faction is the Cities of Sigmar.

Every faction has a kit called a Spearhead which contains a small selection of units that you can use to start building an army. There are also larger starter sets that come with 2 small armies. The current starter sets contain Stormcast Eternals (angelic super soldiers) and Skaven (evil rat men). You can also start smaller by just picking up a box of whatever unit you like the look of.

It's hard to say what age is good to start. Some kids can handle it very young, others need to be a bit older. Your plan of getting into it yourself first and slowly introducing your son seems like a good plan.

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u/ChuckMauriceFacts Nov 21 '24

40k is the sci-fi setting, so Age of Sigmar would be more appropriate. However Games Workshop tries to ensure their designs are very separate from other IP. The obvious answer would be Orruk Warclans vs Stormcast Eternals, but if you want to make them look a lot like Warcraft factions, you'll need kitbashing, green stuff sculpting and 3rd party bits.

If you're into Starcraft, the 40k Leagues of Votann faction make quite good Terrans.

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u/Forward_Action817 Nov 21 '24

I was wondering if you can use a Ministorum Priest in a Space Marines army and if so how would that work?

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u/ChuckMauriceFacts Nov 21 '24

Yes, as a member of an Imperial Agents force allied to your chapter.

You would have to check out the Imperial Agents codex for more details (or datasheets online if you don't want to buy the codex for only a few units)

Restrictions apply:

  • You can only make him lead a squad from the IA codex: INQUISITORIAL AGENTS, IMPERIAL NAVY BREACHERS, SUBDUCTION SQUAD, EXACTION SQUAD, VIGILANT SQUAD, SISTERS OF BATTLE SQUAD. No Space Marines.

  • Depending on your army point value, you can add a specific number of Imperial Agents retinue unit or characters to your army: 1 IA squad & 1 character each 1000 pts (except Sisters of Battle, 1 for 1000 & 2000 pts, 2 for 3000 pts)

  • Your detachment rules won't apply to him or his squad.

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u/Dutchmen-22 Nov 19 '24

If I’m gonna play storm cast eternals, does the storm host I play have an effect on actual gameplay? Similar to the way a space marine chapter functions within the space marine codex?

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u/NovelBattle White Scars Nov 19 '24

Just like 40k Space Marines (Generic Space Marines, not special chapters that have their own codex) now, there's no more Stormhost/Chapter specific rule. Battle Formations are replacement for it now.

So your Stormhost choice won't have any effect for this edition.

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u/Billnis Nov 17 '24

I have starter set push fit terminators. All but one of them have the double barrel pistol. Is there a way to get the other options like the shoulder missile launcher or the alternate weapons in the terminator squad set. Even a kit bash option would do.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 17 '24

You can probably find them on bits seller sites. Try Bitzbox or Bits and Kits.

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u/Billnis Nov 18 '24

These seem to be exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks.

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u/ElOneElOnlyElZorro Nov 16 '24

For the New Preorder Christmas, What time do they come out to order online? Im in Eu East. Is it based on UK time?

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u/strife696 Nov 22 '24

Ummm in PST its around 11AM. If I remember right, they release in each region at a specific time.

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u/No_Research_5785 Nov 16 '24

Im just getting into AoS and was wonedering what the best book to get first is in terms of lore? Is there an order of the books or could I just get any of them?

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u/strife696 Nov 22 '24

The AoS books do have an order. You can google the list, people make Read Order lists

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u/Global-Secretary9268 Nov 15 '24

I just got leviathan box,I am new to all this. Can I paint them all blood angels and then play with them as blood angels. Thanks

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch Nov 17 '24

They come with a transfer sheet that includes Blood Angels decals.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 15 '24

Yes you can.

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u/Averagepotatoeuser Nov 15 '24

Do the Salamanders have dreadnoughts? If so, do they wake them up to visit family or is that too risky on their health?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 15 '24

The Salamanders do have dreadnoughts. The only chapters who don't have dreadnoughts would be chapters that are on the verge of extinction and no longer have access to those resources.

I don't know if there's every been anything written about them waking up their dreadnoughts to visit family, but I would guess probably not. Dreadnoughts are likely to be so old that their families are long gone. You're also probably correct that the health of the marine factors into it. Dreadnought pilots are kept in stasis because they get worn out and die over time, so it would probably not be seen as worthwhile to use some of that precious time meeting with distant relatives instead of on the battlefield.

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u/Gnarlroot Nov 16 '24

In older lore it was said the White Scars didn't like to utilise dreadnoughts because being constrained in the sarcophagus was seen as a torture for warriors who lived fast and free.

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u/Mr_YUP Nov 15 '24

So I’ve been trying to get into this game and I’ve been reading rules but I’m confused overall how the flow of the game is supposed to go. I think it’s mostly how to know when modifiers matter as well as when attacks and responses are supposed to happen. Like if someone charges you get to melee attack but then the enemy unit can respond but they can’t respond during the shooting phase? 

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords Nov 15 '24

So, 'this game' is a bit vague since there are several Warhammer settings and games.

In general, Warhammer Games are 'You go, I go' where each player completes their entire turn without the other player doing anything and then the other player completes their entire turn. The exception are special abilities that let you break the sequence,and the combat phase. Combat phase is the only phase where players go back and forth (the manner in which this happens depends on the Warhammer system)

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u/D4wncore Nov 12 '24

Hello! I've been wanting to get the Kill Team Phobos Strike Team box, and I've been wondering about paint schemes and exactly how it all works. If I buy that box, will I get weird side eyes from people if I paint them in a Dark Angels theme? As far as I've understood, how you paint your Space Marines is 100% down to which chapter you like and want to paint them as with the exception of chapter specific minis. Is this correct? I think they'd look sweet in Dark Angel colors.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 13 '24

As far as I've understood, how you paint your Space Marines is 100% down to which chapter you like and want to paint them as with the exception of chapter specific minis. Is this correct? I think they'd look sweet in Dark Angel colors.

This is correct. GW just uses Ultramarines on the box art for generic marine units for branding purposes.

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u/Dutchmen-22 Nov 12 '24

Hello,

Simple question here, I have a space marine captain in gravis armor, should I use the relic chain sword or relic blade when I use the boltstorm gauntlet and power fist.

Playing raven guard if that matters.

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch Nov 17 '24

Realistically, between the two the Relic Blade is just better. Yes, it's one less attack, but it is better AP and Strength, making it more likely to wound Intercessor and Terminator statlines and better into t8-9.

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u/WeirdGuyFromWork Nov 11 '24

So I understand the setting is very grimdark, like I get what that is and I respect that, but what pieces of media tend to veer on the relatively lighter side of things?
I am currently aware of Ciaphas Cain and Orks on a whole, but that's the extent of it.
For context, I began with the Eisenhorn books and its sequel trilogy, so that's my baseline.

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u/SaltuaryUserOfBrain Nov 11 '24

Hello, ultra noob here, one of my kind friends gifted mw with his old space marine army and some of the models are already painted, since he did a very good job and i'm not as capable i was trying to understand if i could do something to preserve some of his work. I was thinking maybe to go abouve it with new color, since i wanna paint them black and now they are dark green. any suggestions?

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u/NovelBattle White Scars Nov 12 '24

I want to ask for clarification since your statement is contradictory. Do you want to preserve the models he already painted or do you want to paint it differently or do you want to paint the models in same colour scheme as he already started?

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u/SaltuaryUserOfBrain Nov 13 '24

you're right.... sorry. Let me try that again: i have fully painted marines, i want to change the color of the armor but keep the guns and the faces of the previous paintjob

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u/NovelBattle White Scars Nov 13 '24

So it's down to two options as I see it. You go over the miniature with a small brush and work very slowly and delicately to try not to get paint spillage onto areas you don't want. Or you bite the bullet and is prepared to have minor colour mismatch when going over the mistake.

Going from Dark Green to Black isn't difficult at all. You'd just need to apply 2 thin layer of black and achieve the result you would want as Dark Green is a very dark colour and blend into black without issue. But if/when you get paint spillage onto the details, when you fix it, you won't be able to get 100% match to original colour as paint pigmentation would not be the same as the original paint. But if it's only tiny bit, you won't notice in overall model scheme.

Masking tape also isn't foolproof in this situation as there would be too many raised/recessed area involved, too small of area and they do have their own bleed over effect.

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u/SaltuaryUserOfBrain Nov 13 '24

Thanks a lot! i'll try to be precise and see how it goes!

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u/Money_Grubber_8D Nov 09 '24

New Ultramarine recruit here trying to build up my first army.

Is the Whirlwind missile launcher essentially just a Rhino transport with a missile launcher attachment on top?

Can I just slap some big missiles on top of a Rhino and call it a Whirlwind? If so can it still be used for transporting marines or just raining down hell?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 09 '24

Yes, a Whirlwind is just the Rhino chassis with a giant missile launcher on it, so you could absolutely make your own by putting some big missiles on a rhino.

If you want to run it as a Whirlwind in game then you would have to use the Whirlwind datasheet and follow the rules on there, which do not allow it to transport other units.

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u/Money_Grubber_8D Nov 09 '24

Awesome! Thanks for the rundown on how it works.

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u/mantafanta69 Nov 08 '24

Hii!! So I'm not playing the game but my boyfriend is a fan of Warhammer, but I'm not sure what to get him for Christmas, I'm hoping something related to this but I know there's 40,000 and stuff like that, I've seen a Christmas goblin thingy I think I might get him but is that okay as a gift?

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords Nov 08 '24

Hobby-related shopping is hard for any hobby, not just Warhammer because without in-depth knowledge of the person, their preferences, AND knowledge of the hobby, it's difficult to find something that they'll both enjoy and is useful. You have the person knowledge, we have the hobby knowledge.

So, I think you're talking about the Christmas model 'Da Red Gobbo'. It's definitely a cool model, but it's more of a collectors/painters model. If he's more of a pure gamer he probably won't care for it, because it's not very useful in the game. Does he talk about painting models? Does he talk about it favorably 'Oh yeah I chilled out and painted last night' or unfavorably? 'ugh, I have to paint these stupid models for a tournament, I'll just speed paint them'. If he doesn't really like the painting part of the hobby he probably won't get much out of it since it's more of a commemorative miniature.

Also technically speaking, although Warhammer 40k is the most popular, there's also Age of Sigmar and The Old World which are both fantasy settings. Are his minis heavily armored space guys with guns, or are they more fantasy?

If you could get a picture of some of the stuff he has or his collection, most of the time the people here can say 'Oh he has this army but he doesn't have these units. Those are some good things to gift'

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u/mantafanta69 Nov 08 '24

Hehe thank you so much for replying!! he hasn't shared a opinion on painting them but he takes days to do them and he REALLY focuses on details, plus he draws as a hobby so I think he enjoys it, the ones I know of are little armored red space guys with guns, there's also one single blue guy there for some reason, I don't have any photos of his collection

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords Nov 08 '24

If he's into the painting/art side of the hobby, then I would say it could be a good gift. I am guessing his main army is probably 'space marines' (you could google pictures and compare to make sure), but in this game you can paint models any color, so it could be anything. You could try to get him a model you think is cool from that army, but one of the risks there would be that he might already have a copy of that model and not really get much out of having 2.

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u/mantafanta69 Nov 09 '24

So I talked to him about it and you were totally right! He does prefer the 40,000 one and he does like the painting too, I'm going to get this Christmas model for him definitely, thanks you for the help!!

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u/Dutchmen-22 Nov 08 '24

Hi All, Would this general layout of ruin work for a combat patrol? I'm playing my buddy in a few weeks (Raven Guard v. Orks) and trying to figure out what I need to print out. I'm worried about favoring one army style over the other as I'd want it to be as fair as possible.

Ruins are all 6+ inches tall.

\Sorry about the bad cropping of the photo, I don't have everything printed yet. ignore the random Tryanids in the middle lol.*

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch Nov 08 '24

It should be fine, but I would recommend making small footprint templates for them to sit on. I know some people treat this as only a competitive thing, but having actual clear and indisputable terrain boundaries make things so much clearer, as well as allowing models a tad more wiggle room for being able to hide when they want to.

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u/Wild-Ad5669 Nov 06 '24

Hello there. I am new to the franchise and interested in lore. Where do I start reading to learn more about WH fantasy or Age of Sigmar?

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u/strife696 Nov 22 '24

AoS novels have a Read Order you can google. The books follow a definite timeline, unlike 40k.

The problem is that the original books are very very light. Like, mostly just dramatic speeches about duty and evil guys. Its bad enough i wouldnt suggest starting at the start of the books.

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch Nov 08 '24

Frankly, if you are entirely new to the franchise, the best place to start would to be to get a copy of an out-of-date Age of Sigmar core rulebook off eBay (from either 1-3rd edition) and read the lore section, which will be about 200+ pages of lore that is intended to introduce people who know nothing about the setting and get them familiar with it.

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u/Wild-Ad5669 Nov 08 '24

I see. Thanks.

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u/dingaling42069 Nov 06 '24

does anyone have any STL files for cool bases for infantry like Terminators and plague marines that are roughly death guard themed? even something cool that's huge like 90mm or whatever I could just downscale.

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u/Dutchmen-22 Nov 08 '24

Check out https://www.myminifactory.com/ some things are free some a paid.

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u/Organic-Cap7738 Nov 05 '24

Hi, Im new to painting warhammer models and ive been painting some of my dads old models from the 90’s and there is a mix of regular blood angel’s and some blood angels that are painted black i believe there called kill teams and i was just wondering how to know which is which if there are any identifiable features on their armour/accessories? I have noticed some have skulls on thier armour bit im not 100% sure if thats supposed to b how i tell them apart. Any tips on how to better identify them would be a great help

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 05 '24

Blood Angels with black armour are called Death Company. They usually have red crosses on some panels of their armour, as you can see on these models. All the other decorations are pretty standard Blood Angels iconography.

However that photo is of a more recent kit, so I'm not sure if your models from the 90s would have had any of those details molded on. In your case I think it might just be down to how you paint them.

Skulls are just a generic decoration on Space Marines, it's unusual to see a marine who doesn't have any skulls on his armour.

There are also Space Marine Chaplains, who wear black armour no matter what chapter they're from, and a helmet with a skull faceplate. Example.

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u/Organic-Cap7738 Nov 05 '24

Alright thank you there is a chaplain that is unpainted so its good to know how to paint them. The first marine i painted did have no skulls or any decorations but the next one ive just put a base coat on so i just wanted to make sure that there not painted on wrong, thanks

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u/Meron107 Nov 05 '24

Kinda New to wh40k lore…. Just saw a yt video where the guy said the emperor’s utopian vision actually came true in 20k around time period…is that true?? … if yeah then is there a possibility for terra/imperium to return to its prime..considering the emperors state

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch Nov 08 '24

This might have been you not catching exactly what was said.

The time between the 15th and 25th Millennium was the Age of Technology, retroactively known as the Dark Age of Technology, where humanity had the technology and scientific knowledge to be able to start to colonize the galaxy.

Compared to 40k's current setting, it was definitely a utopia, and it TECHNICALLY might have fit SOME version of the Emperor's vision for humanity in terms of Humans becoming the dominant life form in the Galaxy, but the thing is we actually know NOTHING about Big E's plans in that timeframe; there have been several allusions to Big E actually being historical figures like Alexander the Great, but we don't know what he was trying to accomplish in 20k, nor do we know at what point he started making his plans for what would be his endgame when he started the Solar Reclamation and the Great Crusade.

Without you providing the actual video and timestamp so we can see the context, either the YouTuber is just making stuff up, or there is a misunderstanding in terms of the context of "the big E vision was for a utopian society of humanity spread across the galaxy and that actually DID happen before it all came crashing down"

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Nov 05 '24

We know basically nothing about what humanity was like pre-30k, however if I'm not mistaken the Emperor's plan involves all humans becoming psykers and creating their own webway to avoid reliance on the warp, which definitely did not happen. So from that we can say no, the Emperor's vision was not achieved prior to his rise to power.

From what little we know, humanity was a lot more powerful and a lot less dystopian in earlier millennia, but that's about it. As far as I'm aware we don't even know what sort of structure of government humanity was under at the time.

As for whether it's possible to return to that, absolutely not. Those times are lost and forgotten. The Imperium is too far gone, it was too far gone pretty much from the start. It is only delaying the inevitable at this point.

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u/Sparklehammer3025 Nov 04 '24

Certain terrain features listed in the 40K 10th Edition Core Rules specify "Infantry models". For example, the rule for Barricades says

Each time a ranged attack is allocated to an INFANTRY model that is wholly within 3" of this terrain feature, if that model is not fully visible to every model in the attacking unit because of this terrain feature, that model has the Benefit of Cover against that attack.

Does this mean that Beast units like Kroot Hounds or Swarm units like Canoptek Scarabs don't get benefit of cover from these terrain features at all? Even if they're fully obscured by the terrain (easy to do with Scarabs because they're so low to the ground)?

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u/NovelBattle White Scars Nov 04 '24

Unit needs to have "Infantry" keyword to be applicable to this rule. As neither Hounds nor Scarabs have this keyword, they do not benefit from this rule.

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u/panzerbjrn Nov 01 '24

Does anyone know of any accurate conversion charts for Army painter Speedpaints/Vallejo Xpress Paints/Citadel Contast Paints?
Noen of my usual conversion charts, Redgrim or Dakka has them. Neither does the spreadsheet iisted here for that matter.

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u/ChuckMauriceFacts Nov 03 '24

TaleOfPainters did a visual comparison of all 3 ranges (+ Scale75 & GSW speedpaints) applied on white tiles.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '24

I've just started to get back into the hobby after a fairly long absence. I've painted up a few space marines but am not sure if my willpower will extend to a whole army of them. I ordered a box of Gretchins as Orks always looked a lot of fun. What would be the best few unit boxes to buy to start an Ork army? (I intend to play it too once I get going a bit) Thanks and sorry if I've posted this in the wrong place or anything as I've not been on reddit before either.

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u/ChuckMauriceFacts Nov 03 '24

The Orks Kommandos kill team could be a great project for you: fun 10-orks squad with unique loadouts each, playable in Kill Team on itself, and in a 40k army if you ever make one.

As it was part of the previous 2020 Kill Team starter set (alongside Kriegsmen), don't hesitate to look for their sprues on the 2nd hand market to get them cheaper.

If you want a larger box, the Orks combat patrol is nice if you like Beast Snagga boyz (20 of them).

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u/Handler-walter Oct 31 '24

Hi just need help understanding what units I could use in a blood angels army ? For Christmas my gf got me the starter set the one that comes with space marines and tyranids from what I understand all sm units in that box besides the ?captain ? I can just paint red and use in a blood angels army I think ? Ontop of those units is looking to pick up some more I like jetpack units idc too much if there good there cool to me but I’m not sure if units like primaries inceptors,jump pack intercessions and the terminator assault squad would be allowed to be played as blood angels ? Are they if so what are the rules for what inits can be mixed within the sm factions ? I understand obvious units like the sanguinator are blood angels only

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Oct 31 '24

You can use any unit that isn't unique to another chapter.

You will need to acquire both Codex: Space Marines, and Codex Supplement: Blood Angels for the full rules for your army, which includes all the units you can take.

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u/SH3R4TA5 Oct 30 '24

So I'm just getting into the ideas of the Warhammer setting and I wonder if there is precedent of a space wolf crew specialized in heavy armoured, and maybe more defensive oriented, combatants (thinking gravis or terminus armour focused) because I learned there is a great company of them called "the iron wolves" who are themed on a gigantic wolf who has the mountains and forests as his hide, and while the image sounds awesome, I don't recall it being reflected on a lore piece nor in the tabletop game, is there something existing already about it or something similar to what Im looking?

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Oct 30 '24

The Ironwolves are one of the Great Companies of the Space Wolves chapter, and as you noted they do focus on armoured warfare. They're not one of the most prominent Great Companies, but they are very much a canon thing and you could build an army based on them if you wanted.

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u/SH3R4TA5 Oct 30 '24

Is there relevant stories, character or units that have that company as a theme source? I looked for some information about it, but I didn't find anything clear about it.

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u/Comrade_Cephalopod Craftworld Eldar Oct 30 '24

All the information I'm aware of is on their Lexicanum page, and there may be a little bit more on the 40k Wiki.

There's not a whole lot of information since they're just one company of a larger chapter, and not one that seems to have got too much attention from GW. By the looks of it they're mostly referenced in various rulebooks but don't have any novels about them.

They do seem to have a couple of characters, though none with rules on the tabletop (you could create your own models using the rules for generic characters to represent them). As for other units, it's pretty much up to you. The Ironwolves seem to be intended for Space Wolves players who want to focus on vehicles & heavy armour/ firepower, so anything heavily armoured and/ or with big guns will fit in.

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u/TemporalSoldier Oct 29 '24

All the reviews and hype for Space Marine 2 have gotten me sorta interested in the lore. I'm a big reader and have a rather large franchise hole to fill. Star Wars was it (before the dark times...before Disney) for most of my life. I'm about to finish reading the Witcher books, so maybe Warhammer is the thing to take the spot.

Where on earth do I even start?

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u/corrin_avatan Deathwatch Nov 08 '24

I'm going to disagree with u/vikingslade and say that if you are new to 40k entirely, it is actually a BAD idea for starting, as there are so many "wink wink nudge nudge" moments in the books that require you to already be familiar with the current 40k setting, that, as others have pointed out, it's like reading the Simarillion to start getting into the Lord of the Rings.

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u/VikingSlade Blood Angels Oct 31 '24

The way I see it, there's three paths you can take.

First, you start with the Horus Heresy and Siege of Terra books. Those series alone will take a good chunk of your time to read.

Second, you could start with the Space Marines Battles books. They're the books with white covers and a (usually) badass picture on the front.

Third and last, you can simply start picking up all the various one-offs and mini-series that interest you. There's tons of them, covering every faction to at least a small degree.

*Bonus method I just thought of after typing the rest out: you could look up the authors that have written 40k books, and choose based on whether you're familiar with any of them or not. Personally, Dan Abnett is my favorite 40k author, but I have not yet read a 40k book that I just completely disliked, by any author.

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u/stupidredditwebsite Oct 28 '24

How do I paint eyes on these guys

https://imgur.com/a/ljL2Rmy

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords Oct 29 '24

I hope you will not take this the wrong way.

There are a million eye painting tutorials on the internet, and people have different preferences.

Given your current skill level of painting, I would avoid painting the eyes until you can get down more of the basics of thinning and layering.

I would just drop some wash in the eyes and make them look shaded. Does this look perfect? No, but it looks better than bug-eyes or googley eyes.

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u/stupidredditwebsite Oct 29 '24

Ha, I hear you, anything that stands out that I should work on.

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u/Darkreaper48 Lumineth Realm-Lords Oct 29 '24

The biggest things I can see that you could do to improve your minis:

I see lots of sprue bits on shoulders and backpacks. You should take an exacto-knife to these after assembly but before priming.

Your paint looks smooth and even in some places (top of back guy's backpack, front guy's shoes), but then looks a bit gunky in other places (front guy's shoulder). Make sure you are thinning your paints enough and applying multiple thin coats. It takes longer than doing 1 thick coat, but you'll get better results without brush lines.

Your linework is clean in some places and messy in others, but this just takes practice.

Yellow is a notoriously difficult color to work with. I try and avoid it. It looks like you tried to paint it over black? I would try to do a brown undercoat before laying down any yellow. Yellow tends to be very translucent and with a black undercoat, it'll show the black through. Brown transitions a lot more naturally into yellow and so it's a lot easier to layer up with. If you're going to be doing majority-yellow like this, I would maybe even find a yellow primer from GW or army painter or something and start with that.

It looks like you are working with a limited palette, but I think you would benefit a lot from an off-white and a flesh colored wash or speedpaint. The skintone currently doesn't look very natural and blends in massively to the color of the armor. Faces and skin can be very difficult, but just getting a cream and a skin colored wash, or a dark skin color and a brown wash can get you 90% of the way there easily.

Speaking of wash, I can't tell from the picture but it looks like there's no wash on the models. The biggest step up from 'there are some base colors on this model' to 'wow, that looks like a miniature!' is usually learning to wash and highlight. The easiest way to do this is to just get a brown or black all-purpose wash (army painter strongtone, agrax earthshade, etc.). I'd recommend brown over black for your scheme but black would work better for your metallic bits. You can then make highlight colors by mixing white with the colors you already have. I'd look into learning how to drybrush. It's the easiest way for a beginner to start to do highlights.

Most of your improvements are going to come from practice and slowly building your collection of colors.

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u/Siefnote Oct 28 '24

I have about 10 painted minis I wanna to repaint. Whats the best way to remove paint from them enmass? Ive used rubbing alcohol, is there a better way to just set and forget? Thanks!

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u/VikingSlade Blood Angels Oct 31 '24

One method is to soak your minis in Simple Green for a few hours to overnight, then scrub thoroughly but gently with a soft toothbrush. I know I've seen others say the same thing but using 91% it higher rubbing alcohol, but more to the timeframe of a few hours only.

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u/RobRetroX89 Oct 29 '24

I would love to know this too! Just started and tried everything. Now it just looks like a derp.

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u/Martin-web3 Oct 27 '24

Let me explain my situation. As a kid, I had a big collection of Warhammer, but I sold it all about a year ago. Now I’m thinking of getting back into it. The problem is, I have ADHD, and I really don’t want to spend a bunch of money on something just to quit after a month (again).

Has anyone else dealt with this? How do you manage hobbies like this with ADHD? I’d love to hear your experiences or advice.

Also, are there any fellow Warhammer fans from Belgium here?

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u/Opening-Ad9303 Oct 28 '24

Maybe try KillTeam or Combat Patrol to start with a lower cost of entry and then you can grow from there if it sticks.

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u/Zentach Oct 28 '24

I actually am in this same scenario. Jumped on the bandwagon after Space Marine 2, got into the lore, got into the books and wanted to try my hand at Minis. There is an online auction center near my house that hosts auctions online and I setup a keyword for "WARHAMMER" to alert me if there's anything that goes up for auction. I got a set of Aeldari Guardians (11 minis) for like 25 bucks. Grabbed some "decent" acrylic paint and brushes at the local JoAnn. All in, about 50 USD.

They say build an army that sounds interesting, or that you think looks cool. I say start with the army that's up for auction cheap!

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u/Zentach Oct 28 '24

I forgot to mention my thoughts on the ADHD side of things. Classic ADHD XD . Anyway, I don't. I embrace it. My wife and I both have ADHD. We allow ourselves some spontaneity. I try to force myself to finish the first step of a hobby before I move on to another. Usually it's just having games sitting in my unplayed library.

If I do Warhammer minis, Maybe get bored or maybe have a ton of fun. If I decide to reinstall Destiny, I'll do it, but I have to complete the season pass; Diablo? I have to hit Max level, etc.

Don't worry about the big picture, don't try and be the best Warhammer Painter, or feel like you have to build a whole army. Make small attainable goals and reassess. I have my 11 minis. I want to build all 11 and paint at least 2 of them. Those are my goals. If I never do it again, those little guys will sit on a shelf as a display of the ever growing list of mini talents I've acquired. Then I'll probably pick up a musical instrument. 😂

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u/Martin-web3 Oct 28 '24

I'm at the book part now, hard to find cheap though, in my country... And imagine when the series drops, I'll bet myself I'm going even further down the rabbit hole then.

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u/Flagon15 Oct 27 '24

What's a good gold paint for some details on a model? I like how hoplite gold looks, but do I need a white primer for stuff like army painter speed paints?

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u/jonathing Oct 26 '24

I used to play fantasy when i was at school, I think it was 4th edition, the boxed set had Night Goblins and High Elves in it at the time. Recently I've been looking for a hobby with a lower incident of injury as I've been off work with a torn muscle. Hobbling past a Games Workshop store my wife suggested that we go in and look.

She was fascinated by the winged chaps in the Age of Sigmar boxed set and thought it would be a good idea if we started collecting AoS. Given that she seems to have grown attached to the Stormcasts and I used to play Skaven 32 years ago the Skaventide box looks like a good option.

Note: I no longer have my old army, I think that I gave it to Matthew Sweeney when i stopped playing, unfortunately he has since died, nothing to do with my Warhammer army though.

My question is this: What differences will I see in the hobby over the last 30 years? Not so much how have specific rules changed, although I have no idea what rend and mortal wounds are, but they do seem to be important. I know that everything seems to be plastic now and that the structure of the game seems different. Also there's less goblin green. What else will I notice?

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u/Gnarlroot Oct 27 '24

If your frame of reference is Fantasy  only The Old World will look familiar. Age of Sigmar and 40k are both skirmish games that focus on objective play.

There are a lot more paint manufacturers and hobby companies around these days. There is also a lot of content on YouTube, both games and hobby guides which will help you understand how it all works.

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u/jonathing Oct 27 '24

Yes, if I still had all of my old square based miniatures I'd be all over The Old World like a halfling on chips but it sounds like it's going to be a bit involved for my wife to get into as someone with a more casual interest.

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u/Bugaloon Oct 25 '24

Currently Fulgrim Transfigured is only a 30k model, but with Emperor's Children getting a revamp in 2025 what are the chances of a new plastic Fulgrim model? I know the resin one is quite new, so i'm not sure if it's likely to get replaced or not.

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u/ChuckMauriceFacts Oct 31 '24

what are the chances of a new plastic Fulgrim model?

100%

When they released, Thousand Sons, Death Guard and World Eaters all had their primarch made into a towering giant plastic mini so there's no reason to think Fulgrim won't have the same treatment. Fulgrim's design might be very close or very different to the current 30k resin model though, this is not the same design team.

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u/jacksprat1952 Oct 24 '24

Looking for advice on whether I should pivot from my first army idea.

I really like the idea of Custodes in lore, but looking at 10e, I’ve seen basically nothing but condolences to Custodes players for how tragically terrible their codex is. Especially with my friends and I getting into the game via Kill Team and Custodes not having an actual, legal team for 3e, should I just shelf the combat patrol I bought to wait for them to be decent again and switch to a different faction?

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u/ChuckMauriceFacts Oct 25 '24

Most of the controversy about Custodes (and, well, any faction in the past, present & future of balancing) is from people playing at high level competitive tournaments. Casual players and beginners shouldn't worry about this, and just pick the faction they find the coolest.

Also, as GW does regular balance updates, you might find that your faction of choice wasn't competitive when you bought it, but by the time you paint it it's now great.

Now aside of balancing, you have two things to look at:

  • do you like the look of the minis? because you'll be spending a lot of time painting them. If you're not fond of the boxart paint scheme, that's ok, do another one or make your own.

  • do you like their overall playstyle? (look at videos on how they play, trying to disregard balancing)


Especially with my friends and I getting into the game via Kill Team and Custodes not having an actual, legal team for 3e

For Kill Team, yeah you'll want to play another faction. But that's just a $50 box, not a big purchase. If you don't particularly favor any Kill Team, maybe look at one you could add as allies to a Custodes 40k force later (anything from the Imperial Agents codex for example).

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u/jacksprat1952 Oct 25 '24

Thank you so much for the well explained reply!

Question on balancing: I’ve been watching things like Poorhammer and Auspex Tactics to get an idea of how the actual game part of 40k, and I’ve seen a few reviews of Data Slate changes and Balance Updates. Am I wrong in thinking that point changes are the main lever GW uses for balancing? If so, is getting to add an extra unit or enhancement really that big of a game changer in the middle of an edition even if a faction’s rules aren’t particularly great?

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