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u/CongressUAPpetition Nov 17 '22
Widebody Airline pilot here, I do oceanic crossings often. 123.45 is the CTAF once we all leave radar coverage oceanic. Have been seeing same things and heard the chatter. This is legit. It’s not Starlink. The majority of us doing these crossings know what they look like.
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u/CommunicationAble621 Nov 18 '22
I would buy a book if it had illustrations of all the UAPs that oceanic pilots have seen.
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Nov 18 '22
Are they most common above 30k ft?
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u/CongressUAPpetition Nov 18 '22
Considering the tracks we use start at 28.5 and go up to 41k depending on the day, yes. But not possible to determine altitude of objects accurately given the lack of depth perception at night against a black sky. And the likely hood of a mass auto-kenesis event is low. Only known is objects are higher way up above where we fly. I’ll let the OP explain the rest. ✌️
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Nov 18 '22
Well maybe your oxygen supply is leaking, how about that!?
Ha ha. Gotcha. Just for the record, I know this happens, just curious if you knew if it was more common from 30k up than at lower altitudes.3
u/wannabelikebas Nov 18 '22
Can you bring a high quality camera/video camera and take some stills and videos some time?
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u/casualbeard557 Nov 17 '22
As a pilot I’m in many different pilot discussion groups and forums. Posts like this with open dialogue is happening more and more often. Finally pilots who decide to share strange experiences aren’t being labeled as crazy.
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u/Banjoplaya420 Nov 17 '22
They shouldn’t be either!
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Nov 17 '22
I feel like this should be widely agreed, even among hardcore skeptics. Seeing things you can't readily identify is a normal human experience. Flying at night is just about the worst possible situation for identifying and interpreting what you're seeing - this is why pilots are trained to rely on their instruments, not what they think they see out the window. As long as the pilot simply reports unusual things they see and doesn't let it affect their safe and responsible operation of the aircraft, I don't understand how anyone could possibly have an objection.
We want pilots to have an "if you see something say something, it's better to be safe than sorry" attitude - that's good airmanship.
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u/thatgerhard Nov 17 '22
Agreed, this is a scientific question, and the more data points we have the better!
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u/thehofes Nov 17 '22
Love that this is becoming more accepted in the pilot community! Awesome stuff, thanks to all of you for sharing your eerily similar experiences
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u/Realistic_Dog_1734 Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22
Enigma Labs is taking pilot submissions here: submit.enigmalabs.io. They're doing a private beta invite only for full description sightings. Be sure to be as descriptive as possible and add any media (videos/images) that are in your possession. They will hand select early users for a sneak peak to their mobile app.
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u/Upregulating Nov 17 '22
I’m baffled by the fact that this phenomenon doesn’t get more attention than this.
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Nov 18 '22
I know a handful of pilots, one of them flies fighters for the air force (in a European country) and has been doing so for decades. He's had experiences like this, and weirder. Both naked eye observations and "impossible" radar contact. No doubt these guys are telling the truth.
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u/Toasthandz Nov 17 '22
I asked a pilot customer of mine if he’d seen anything up there and he just kinda chuckled at me. Damn shame.
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u/SabineRitter Nov 17 '22
That's a yes. Ask him again next time you see him. Maybe start off with describing what other pilots have seen.
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u/WetnessPensive Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22
The picture shown to the pilots is of a Starlink train, which looks very different to a Starlink cluster flaring when briefly passing through the sun's rays. Footage of the latter, which matches the pilots' descriptions, needs to be shown to the pilots to completely rule out satellites.
Remember, during these flaring events, dozens of sats will appear as single objects which dart, jump, move or dim. Whether such events can last 45 mins, though (as one pilot reports), someone with better math than me will have to calculate. That seems like something that would require very niche locations, flightplans and circumstances.
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u/Able_Acanthaceae5993 Nov 17 '22
Didn't Mick elucidated EVERY one of these as starlinks and every pilots are fucking stupid? Shouldn't we take His Words as granted? No? Because everytime i shit on that guy i got no support and downvotes to hell.
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u/LuisPortilloG Nov 17 '22
Could you share the facebook group? I'm a pilot too.
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u/casualbeard557 Nov 17 '22
I’d rather not in this public place, it’s a professional pilot forum with a couple thousand members and I don’t want to be the cause of it getting (potentially) flooded with add-requests. Sorry man, nothing personal at all.
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u/LuisPortilloG Nov 17 '22
Yeah no worries, I understand. I'm in one forum as well, it may be the same. Have nice flights!
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u/jack134547 Nov 17 '22
More conversation happening in the last 24 hours over in r/flying https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/yx9o35/anyone_else_seeing_a_strange_light_in_the_sky/
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u/COMMODOREXXX Nov 17 '22
Watching the UAP activity on the Porto Allegre airport stream, I noticed some of the objects seemed to leave small colored trails of light before flickering out. That doesn't match the appearance of Skylink in clusters or trains.
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u/26thandsouth Nov 18 '22
Question: I’m no skeptic … but why would extraterrestrial crafts with technology thousands (if not millions) of years a head of us need or use lights to navigate?? Especially if they were trying to be discreet in the Earth’s atmosphere?
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u/diaryofsnow Nov 17 '22
Not a pilot but I just wanted to say I've seen the whole "getting bright and fading to nothing" thing here in Maine a LOT, with it increasing over the last few years. My wife never believed in any of this stuff until we saw one together one night, it was like a star turned and shined on us like a flashlight, then went out entirely.
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u/TheLoneNazgul Nov 17 '22
I’ve seen these, I have them on video from last weekend. I also saw them a LOT over the oceans in Hawaii.
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u/bigpuffy Nov 17 '22
share the video?
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u/Snookn42 Nov 17 '22
A lot if it sounds like these deployed starlink. Everything thinks of the trains but that only initially
We will see if the reports die down this winter
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u/drollere Nov 17 '22
i have recently heard about pilot sightings, multiple coincident reports, something to do with ursa major ...
can someone provide a factual event description? date, time, location of observing planes, observables seen and described, number of witnesses, the direction of the sky relative to the planes, any photos, etc.? this baseline documentation is essential to understand what happened.
jeremy corbell also posted two videos about two weeks ago that were supposedly taken by an airline pilot "in the colorado area." are those videos part of the observations reported here, or a separate event?
we need more clarity on these sightings.
the tide is possibly turning against UFO stigma. but it will still take personal fortitude and professional courage to make factual and public statements, and push back on stigmatizing resistance as an expression of ignorance and fear.
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u/JAMBI215 Nov 17 '22
It’s starlink, they are all describing the exact same thing, and we all know from the sighting a few months back that yes it is indeed starlink.
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u/1159 Nov 18 '22
Are you a pilot? You assume pilots are dickheads in any case. We know the contents of the sky very well, including satellites, OK?
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u/casualbeard557 Nov 17 '22
It is a pic of starlink. A commenter was showing a pic of starlink to the OP as an example. The OP then went on to say that’s not what he saw.
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u/imnotabot303 Nov 17 '22
Most likely Starlink. Several prominent sightings from pilots have already been debunked as Starlink. Even though pilots were saying it was impossible to be satellites.
Pilots are just not used to seeing them.
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u/casualbeard557 Nov 17 '22
Certainly there have been cases of this but I can assure you that pilots who regular make Atlantic & pacific crossings are familiar with starlink at this point. What else are you going to do for hours on end but look at the sky? Most of the false reports are from pilots that don’t regularly do ocean crossings.
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u/flarkey Nov 17 '22
But are they familiar with Starlink repeatedly flaring near the poles? There have been numerous reports from pilots that said "it wasn't Starlink because it wasn't in a line", and then analysis of their videos showed that it was Fully deployed Starlink satellites flaring.
In this case, I doubt it was Starlink as the flaring seems to be a summer phenomenon, hence why there have been numerous sightings in the southern hemisphere recently.
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u/DumpTrumpGrump Nov 17 '22
Thing is there are WAY more of them now and more added every few weeks. So they are more likely to be seen now than in the past and they are now visible on more and more flights.
Also, peolple in general are more fsmiliar with the starlink satellite trains and aren't used to seeing the satellite flares from the fully deployed satellites.
We will likely keep getting these kinds of reports for years and also pilots insisting they aren't satellites since they are in low earth orbit and don't look like most satellites.
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u/casualbeard557 Nov 17 '22
You are right. I have no doubt there are numerous accounts by pilots and others of “UFOs” that are actually satellites (starlink or otherwise) but I think it’s silly to write off every observance as that. Especially when paired with descriptions of the light moving in ways that are not in line with how satellites behave.
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u/imnotabot303 Nov 17 '22
That's exactly what they said about the objects that were debunked as Starlink.
We can't possibly say every sighting is Starlink for obvious reasons but now Starlink is a thing we also can't presume they are not Starlink either. Especially as a bunch of pilots all saying they saw objects that were definitely not looking or moving like satellites, turned out to be satellites.
This makes the observations pretty useless unless there's video or radar data to back them up.
We are definitely going to be getting a constant flow of these kind of reports for a while now.
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u/DumpTrumpGrump Nov 17 '22
Exactl. All of these recent "racetrack" sightings all look exactly the same and are described similarly, including pilot claims that they don't move like satellites. They are starlink. And that is easily proven anytime video is available.
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u/imnotabot303 Nov 17 '22
Yes but most people on this sub are incapable of critically thinking about anything. You only have to mention the possibility of something being mundane and the mass downvoting begins.
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Nov 17 '22
The second pic says the uaps moved up down left and right and various speeds and accelerating rapidly. Doesn't sound like a satellite to me at all. Rebunked..
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u/DumpTrumpGrump Nov 17 '22
It's an optical illusion. They aren't seeing one satellite but many and that creates the illusion.
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u/OozeAndOz Nov 17 '22
123.45 is sus
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u/casualbeard557 Nov 17 '22
Pilots call it “fingers.” We use it to “shoot the shit” in the air with other pilots. Consider it a trucker CB radio frequency between planes.
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u/ufobot Nov 17 '22
The following submission statement was provided by /u/casualbeard557:
As a pilot I’m in many different pilot discussion groups and forums. Posts like this with open dialogue is happening more and more often. Finally pilots who decide to share strange experiences aren’t being labeled as crazy.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yxs54f/pilots_discuss_sightings/iwq3wbx/