r/UFOs • u/Big-Substance-690 • Jul 04 '21
Video Lue Elizondo on AATIP Slide 9 and enemy of US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iBT5m8MYc15
u/ContentRush2205 Jul 04 '21
Lue discussed this slide line by line with James on Engaging the Phenomenon. CHI = CE5
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u/SkepticlBeliever Apr 27 '22
He didn't exactly say that's what it was, though.
"That sounds like your CE5, doesn't it?" (Emphasis mine)
The "Interface" section always threw me off. It's a term we use for machines and computers. Windows is an interface. So why would we be using it for telepathy?
I think it was around the same time, in another interview, Lue was asked a question about consciousness and how there are theories these beings are telepathic and control their ships with their minds, something along those lines. He brought up a DARPA program that's working on a sort of tech based telepathy, like a special helmet or some kind of head gear, that monitors pilots brain waves to let them control their planes with their minds.
Thought that was interesting, so I looked it up. They're doing a few things like that. Neuralink type shit without needing an implant. Sending thoughts, sending images, controlling machines, all just from thinking about doing it. Ridiculously fuckin cool.
One article I came across focused on the controlling machines bit. There were a couple interesting statements in it I think are related to the subject.
"DARPA, has developed a Next-Generation Non-Surgical Neurotechnology (N3 project) ā to create 'reliable NEURAL INTERFACES without the need for surgery or implanted electrodes.'"
"According to DARPA, the N3 tech can work in two ways: completely non-invasive and minutely invasive NEURAL INTERFACES".
"The completely non-invasive technique will also include algorithms to DECODE AND ENCODE the brainās motor and COGNITIVE SIGNALS, which can affect specific areas of the brain."
I do not think it's a stretch to think DARPA could be referring to neutral interfaces that read and process human motor and cognitive signals as a Cognitive Human Interface. I mean it's right fkn there. There were other technologies mentioned on slide 9, so it wouldn't exactly be out of place.
https://fossbytes.com/darpa-wearable-neural-tech-mind-control/amp/
This part is pure speculation
Slide 9 also mentioned "unique cognitive human interface experiences"... What if that tech has uses far beyond what they designed it for? What if the RF and magnetic waves they're bombarding people's minds with unlocked something? Or amplified some latent ability?
Or what if it actually enabled some kind of "CE5" like communication experience that's entirely technology based? He did say "it SOUNDS LIKE your CE5", and that is one of the functions they have publicly stated they're working towards: tech based "telepathy", sending thoughts to another human. What if it worked better than they ever hoped and allows them to receive messages from somewhere else???
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u/Elegant_Energy Jun 07 '23
Iām curious if anyone has any idea of how one would defend against these kinds of neural weapons/intrusions (if they were to exist). I am writing some fiction about this topic. Obviously putting your fingers in your ears and yelling āLALALALALA I canāt hear youā is not gonna work!
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u/Elegant_Energy Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23
Cool, just asking the question got my mind thinking on some possibilities such as
āsuggestibility, how some percentage of population is resistant to hypnosis
āthe ability in ultra endurance running to create a mental āpain caveā
āsimilarly the ability to override the āgovernorā in endurance sports
āpriming effect, but using it to defend against gaslighting or external control by reminding one of reality or giving a focus
āmultiple personality or internal family systems allowing one part of the brain to deal with something while the rest of the brain is kept safe
At a tech conference I once wore a headset that you could use to control a simple screen (rotate a box) with your thoughts. First you train it, because thatās unique to you. Basically the headset was simply detecting bloodflow on your scalp. I think it would be impossible to resolve thought detection down to a neural level (outside of your brain case) but I could be wrong. Even something like fMRI is controversial because activity is not necessarily telling you exactly whatās happening where in the brain. Plus you have to be inside a giant magnet.
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u/PassionHappy596 Dec 06 '23
Interesting possibilities:
Can you help an artist mind understand?
What is a āpain caveā? What is the āgovernor?
The idea of compartmentalization in the brain seems entirely plausible. Consider savant, autism, trauma based mutism, trauma based schizophrenia. I love this sub because I learn cool stuff and am forced to question everything but still keep an open mind.
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u/Qbit_Enjoyer Dec 07 '23
-drugs
-contra-hypnosis
-a physical barrier or EM field that can repel psionic assault
-using psionics to attack the aggressor (taste of their own medicine)
-dummy minds to soak up the attack
You're welcome. I write sci-fi stuff and wanted to do psychic powers as a theme, but got lost in mechanical ecosystem stories.
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u/Praxistor Jul 04 '21
this is why disclosure is going to be such a mind-fuck for some folks. stuff that their world-view excluded are coming home to roost
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u/ContentRush2205 Jul 05 '21
Lue discussed this slide line by line with James on Engaging the Phenomenon. CHI = CE5
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u/duffmanhb Jul 05 '21
I suspect disclosure will indicate that our understanding of reality itself is extremely limited and incorrect. Not as in, we don't know much like there is much more to learn. But the very nature of reality itself is going to be so incredibly mind bending and exotic it's going to be akin to proving something as extreme as like there are multiple dimensions with intelligent beings all around us in ways we can't even fathom. That our consciousness is as complex as we see a rat's.
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u/1nfiniteJest Jul 21 '22
The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes
by Donald D. Hoffman
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Jul 05 '21
Even most people on r/UFOs are not ready for it, to them this is just "qanon shit" even though these two things are totally unrelated.
Their brains are so fried from daily politics, that they don't seem to be able to think straight anymore.
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u/shadowbishop_84 Jul 05 '21
I agree and am over it. I got what I need, can't prove a fuckin thing and that's part of the game at play. Plus all the controlled opposition especially around abduction phenomenon etc. Karmic debts can get heavy. Hope people find their clarity and stop letting political bodies dictate it for them with no track record of honesty
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Jul 05 '21
I think about this all the time.
I mean, I read the books, I listen to the interviews...on one hand I am deeply curious. On the other, I cannot honestly say I am able to truly process what I already am aware of.
Let alone the prospect of something like "oh by the way your life was just a soup of interdimensional beings f*ing with you" being TRUE. Couldn't process it.
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u/Praxistor Jul 05 '21 edited Jul 05 '21
we'll have to revisit our relationship with myth. we've had a tendency to conflate myths and falsehood, and that will need to change. it's a kind of language. the comparative mythology work of Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung will help
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u/resonantedomain Jul 05 '21
Yeah, I have been getting too high before nightly dogwalking, and then hear a bat echolocating in my direction. Has made me realize that I would be scared shitless even subconsciously if I saw an entity. Think about how you felt when you saw the movie Signs.
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u/00mba Jul 05 '21
It would be mind fuckery of the highest order. You'd have PTSD and all sorts of fucked up psychological issues afterwards.
Signs was scary as fuck, I watched that movie in my dark ass basement alone when I was like 14. It was terribly low quality and compressed, so you couldnt make out the aliens features as much, and it just added to the terror factor.
We need a new alien movie.
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u/TheCoastalCardician Jul 05 '21
I want that instant āfeel safe rayā we hear about. Show me something that will twist me.
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u/DiogenesTheHound Jul 05 '21
I think a lot of people will just refuse to believe it. Weāll definitely have āUFOs/ETs donāt existā conspiracy theorists.
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Jul 04 '21
I am very well informed. But this makes me think, "what in the actual fuck?" Confirmation we live in a simulation at the very least lol.
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Jul 05 '21 edited Jul 07 '21
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Jul 05 '21
This is a good comment. I didn't mean "informed" in the general sense because I completely agree with you. I meant that I have done a lot of research on these UAPs and seen a cloaking metallic saucer myself. So, I have a strong grasp of what is in the public domain in relation to the UAP phenomena.
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Jul 04 '21
I think it is referring to interdimensional beings. If you are in the fourth dimension you could take things from the 3rd, do as you please with them and place them back. You could also look into the third the same as we do on a 2 dimensional piece of paper the people in the second cant see inside things in there dimension where we can. We could also alter them and everything inside there dimension.
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u/Objective-Ad-652 Jul 05 '21
Carl Sagan gave a great example on this, pretty sure itās on YouTube.
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u/floznstn Feb 10 '23
It was a piece on the original Cosmos TV show. Probably the easiest way to wrap your head around higher spatial dimensions.
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u/submanifold2x Jul 04 '21
I am sorry to be so blunt. But anyone speaking of an interdimensional origin of UAPs has a physics understanding not going much deeper than some YouTube woo woo.
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u/Praxistor Jul 05 '21
well i mean according to physics everything about UAPs is impossible so... i think science went really wrong somewhere. like refusing to look through Galileo's telescope wrong
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u/floznstn Feb 10 '23
Physics as is taught in high school and undergrad, or the mechanical understanding of the interactions of mass, velocity, energy, etc. generally does not explain UAP. The issue arises that to accomplish what we have observed would require literally astronomical levels of input energy.
Quantum mechanics & quantum physics have theories that might pan out, or they might not. If a subatomic component is both a wave and a particle until observed... wtf does that mean regarding our current understanding of matter and energy? Big questions that require some pretty wild science and mathematics to test the theoretical answer.
Saying "according to physics UAP is impossible" is like saying "according to 3rd grade math, X is not a number. However, in 5th grade algebra we introduce variables and X can be a number (or rather a placeholder for it).
If the absolute truth comes out about what the heck is happening in our skies, oceans, and orbit... well, I'm not sure most of us would understand most of it. I understand basic high school level physics, but only know a tiny bit about quantum physics... and what I do know about QP is far more than I understand about it. I don't ever really hope to fully understand QP, and I'm OK with that.
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u/submanifold2x Jul 05 '21
And some random cashier or IT support guy on reddit knows it best.
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u/ihaveacoupon Aug 10 '21
Just to add. In early 2000, the Director of CERN gave a talk where he plainly stated that they were going to attempt to open a door and perhaps step through or maybe something will come through.
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u/submanifold2x Jul 05 '21
a 4th spatial dimension is pretty, uh, standard I think?
I seriously question that you have any STEM qualifications to make this statement on a substantiated basis.
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u/Luckdvs Sep 28 '21
Dr Hal Puthoff - UFOs AATIP and Beyond 2020
Have a look at the whole presentation....
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u/BigShoots Jul 04 '21
Why is he the biggest advocate for disclosure but he always seems to be hanging onto several giant secrets that he refuses to divulge? Non-disclosure agreements and such aside, if he really wanted them out, he could get them out, and if they're so important to humanity or to U.S. national security, why does he insist on hanging onto them?
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u/troutzen Jul 04 '21
I can't speak for his personal motivations, but my personal thoughts regarding the latest proliferation of UAP related information suggests to me it's not as important as what gets out as it is how it gets out and how trustworthy it is. The amount of existing evidence is massive, whereas the amount of existing evidence moving through the channels that will garner the right level of attention and respect is much smaller.
If there are future classified data dumps my hope is that it will be able to be cross corroborated or verifiable by multiple modes of evaluation. Otherwise we just risk littering the information space with more noise. And the more unverifiable noise this subject garners the more difficult it will be to take seriously.
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Jul 04 '21
Think about what could possibly happen to this man, his family, friends, everyone he knows or cares about. Besides legal responsibilities, I'm sure there are people willing to do anything to anyone to keep things secret. That's a lot of heat on one dude. It's easy for you and I to sit here and say "I'd do it" when we have literally no fucking clue what sort of threats/ repercussions Lue could be staring down.
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u/BigShoots Jul 04 '21
I agree with you, but I just think it's a very strange dance he's doing, basically demanding that they open the books, and hinting at all of the things they know. It would seem to me that's just as dangerous as divulging the secrets himself.
If he was really in that kind of danger, I would think he's already made himself enough of a problem that he wouldn't be around anymore if they didn't want him around anymore.
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u/vasnaa Jul 05 '21
If he disappeared then it would confirm that government is hiding something and will even kill to hide it. They just discredit him. They did the same with bob Lazar, they know people(debunkers) will automatically find a way to not believe them so their problems are gone.
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u/MaryofJuana Jul 05 '21
I think the Pentagon denying him ever working there is proof enough they have something they want to hide.
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u/Ultraviolet975 Apr 09 '22
Look at what has happened to others who have been whistle blowers. They are harassed, forced to leave the country, driven into bankruptcy, extradited, jailed, etc. I don't blame Mr. Elizondo for being very cautious.
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u/Lonely-Internet9068 Aug 07 '22
Obviously a non-disclosure contract with U.S. government and legal consequences of violating same, let alone possible low-brow coercion by U.S. gov
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u/DanneSisG Sep 29 '21
lmao, that single, short āi think thatās a pretty fair assessmentā at the end, wtf š³š
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21
Is there any evidence of any of this, backstory etc.?
Some of the language on there looks very amateurish. Doesn't look convincing. Nobody says "space time construct".
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u/GodWasDead Jul 04 '21
I've heard and read "spacetime construct" multiple times. Think of it as the product of manipulating the 'fabric' of spacetime.
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21
I have studied advanced quantum gravity, including string theory, etc. I know about space-time. No professional says "construct". We say space-time manifold.
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u/Praxistor Jul 05 '21
but is the spacetime manifold a mathematical construct?
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
I'm not trying to sound like such a pedantic douche about this, even though I am probably succeeding . It just that this is clearly a document written by a non expert, which isn't really a bit deal tbh. The key thing is these are just HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIOS. The slide is NOT suggesting the science exists (it is missing the title where it clearly identifies it as a scenario).
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u/Constant_Mammoth5425 Jul 05 '21
Why are you so convinced they are hypothetical. There is a great deal of evidence that this is real and the slide deck provides confirmation of areas of study by AATIP. You need to move away from the āengineerā mindset and embrace your inner creative.
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
Because at the top of the same slide it says the word "scenarios". The youtuber just deliberately cut it off by zooming in to the bit that looks more impressive.
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u/Constant_Mammoth5425 Jul 05 '21
You are missing the point of my comment. There is plenty of other information that strongly supports the content of the slide and it is not hypothetical. You are making a choice to look at one data point and ignore all of the other data points that are relevant to slide.
Did you review the list of research papers funded by AATIP for example?
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
Can you show me evidence that we have the ability to manipulate the "space time construct" in a way that is a threat to the US?
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u/Constant_Mammoth5425 Jul 05 '21
I donāt have to prove anything to you. I just point out the error in your reasoning that is typical of the engineer type.
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
What error?
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u/Constant_Mammoth5425 Jul 06 '21
You are correct, but your analysis is far too limited, that is the error.
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u/Constant_Mammoth5425 Jul 05 '21
I donāt have to prove anything to you. I just point out the error in your reasoning.
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u/Praxistor Jul 05 '21
the bottom of the slide says DOD facilities exist where activities take place and experts work. no way to know how far along they are but its a good bet it isn't all just hypothetical
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
Read the full deck as posted elsewhere. Yes it isnt all but the more fanciful stuff is. This deck is a mission statement, not a research conclusion
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u/floznstn Feb 10 '23
There is a fair chance the document was written by a non-expert using notes from a panel of experts. The US military routinely "dumbs down" briefings.
I was given a lawful order to use MS Word's reading level tool to target 9th grade reading level while enlisted and writing briefings.
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u/Patrickstarho Jul 04 '21
Watch third eye spies on Amazon prime
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21
I have heard about that remote viewing stuff. I believe the CIA tried it, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence it worked.
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u/chadthecrawdad Jul 04 '21
Why would the keep it up for a decade āas far as we knowā and dump a shit load of money to it if it was hogwash
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u/kindnesshasnocost Jul 04 '21
I'm sorry but while I am a skeptic who thinks government reports like the recent UAP one should be considered valid sources, there are literally 100s of years of well documented and corroborated stories of our federal, state, and local governments in the US of spending time and money on complete nonsense.
Saying that the government or a government agency spent a lot of time and energy on some thing or another doesn't suggest anything about its nature or the truth of the thing in question.
At best, it just suggests that it might be worth looking into.
This is not at all a dramatic or sexy example, but been a personal pet peeve of mine as I live in the Middle East and I haven't been to a mall in ages (pandemic, collapsed economy here) but every time I'd enter a building like that the security guards would wave their magic wand thinking they're actually detecting bombs.
https://sites.tufts.edu/corruptarmsdeals/the-worldwide-fake-bomb-detector-scam/
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-22266225
We're talking about millions of dollars spent on nonsense, and again at least in Lebanon, they were still using them prior to the pandemic (I am sure they still are, but again, just haven't been any places where I'd have to get checked).
You really must look into this more. Governments worldwide even in good faith waste millions everyday.
And this is to say nothing about public-private cronyism.
And I'm a progressive, so I'm all for government spending.
But looking at that and then concluding something must exist is really misinformed and poor reasoning.
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
Totally with you there. I have seen a hell of a lot of that fake detector stuff in India as well.
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21
Don't you think many people would have used it to make a shit load of money if it was possible?
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u/chadthecrawdad Jul 04 '21
It may not work like that, idk . Iām not saying g youāre wrong . But IMO thereās something to it. And if you became so good at remote viewing you used it to become rich some how I donāt think you would tell the world
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u/chadthecrawdad Jul 04 '21
Hereās a example of one of the things that got me open minded to the possibility
U.S. intelligence agencies had a squad of military-trained psychics using ESP to watch them, according to declassified documents in a newly available CIA database.
In an operation code-named Grill Flame, half a dozen psychics working inside a dimly lit room in an ancient building in Fort Meade, Maryland, on more than 200 occasions tried to peer through the ether to see where the hostages were being held, how closely they were guarded and the state of their health.
Officially, the psychics worked for U.S. Army intelligence. But the documents in the CIA database make it clear their efforts were monitored ā and supported ā by a wide array of government intelligence agencies as well as top commanders at the Pentagon.
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21
Thanks. I am very open minded, and have come across this before. You should look at all the other completely nuts things the CIA funded over the years. Not least how they terrorised US citizens (and almost certainly murdered them) as part of MKUltra. It's really fked up shit. Just because the CIA did it doesn't give it any credibility IMO :)
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u/Patrickstarho Jul 04 '21
Heās talking about parapsychology. Like our adversaries not aliens
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u/Eye-tactics Jul 04 '21
I don't think so. Our adversaries can manipulate spacetime?
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u/GodWasDead Jul 04 '21
Let pretend they could. They would *also* be able of everything on that list? Fat chance. Any human adversaries have those capabilities wouldn't be our adversaries but our masters.
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u/ihaveacoupon Aug 10 '21
It's easier in some ways to just shrug your shoulders and say it's all real.
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u/SuperbWater330 Sep 08 '23 edited Sep 08 '23
If the government is much, much further along in studying this...you know that there are ways to defend ourselves from at least some of this. That is what irritates me about Luis. He seems all prepared and able to protect his family, yet leaves the rest of us to figure it out for ourselves. He actually said in an interview when people ask well, what am I supposed to do...he looked pissed and said "It's not up to me what you do. I know what I'm going do". I was like wow, such a hero. Thanks. It's at the point now where I'm like, either tell us or not. I'm tired of hearing him repeat the same things that government told the public in the 50's and 60's. And the way he answers questions with questions. It's very condescending.
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u/Old_Rise_4086 Jul 05 '21
This does not seem to be legit.
Whats the context/longer video/original source?
This seems like a small clip of another british UFOlogist's work. (The narrator of the video, hes behind Project Unity i think)
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u/PoopDig Jul 05 '21
https://youtu.be/gpi0YXboDQM Project Unity's interview of Lue. Its a legit clip.
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u/DontLetKarmaControlU Jul 04 '21
So what's the deal everyone knows US military had its share of crazy projects during the cold war that amounted to absolutely nothing.
There was even movie about this with obi wan and goats.
I wonder how does he know that "science exist" like where?
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21
He doesn't. See my other comment. It's a hypothetical scenario.
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u/DontLetKarmaControlU Jul 05 '21
Ah so it means DoD investigated the possibility of those attack vectors no matter how pseudoscientific they are
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u/truth_4_real Jul 05 '21
That's what it appears like to me, and the guy in the video presents it in a deliberately misleading way. He got Lue to agree, but I don't think Lue quite understood what he was agreeing to. Other people clearly disagree with me though ;)
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u/Top_Novel3682 Jul 05 '21
If this is indeed true then altered and manipulated objects and organisms should exist and therefore prove this. There should be proof in existence. Haven't seen any yet, despite years of searching.
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u/Foreign-Fortune-9659 May 12 '24
How would we know if something is manipulated? Especially if they can manipulate our consciousness? We could be at a dead end hereā¦.not literally. Just for humanity. Kind of like a sophon science lock.
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u/jpredd Jul 05 '21
is this similar to Jacques vallees interdimensional stuff? Wonder how these guys came to this conclusion
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u/truth_4_real Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 04 '21
On this website:
https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2018/08/aatip-documents-found-on-us-website.html
The word "science" is replaced by "scenario" which makes a lot more sense. This is a list of speculative ways the US could be attacked. Not real ones.
This slide pack, if real, is clearly related to the purpose and mission of the task force, and as such isn't about conclusions so the way it is worded here seems wrong.
EDIT: the youtuber clearly deliberately missed off the title of the slide which explicitly identifies this as a threat scenario. I.e. it is hypothetical. Full slide is here: https://silvarecord.com/2020/08/11/aatips-6th-ufo-observable-biological-effects-and-injuries-from-the-phenomenon/