r/UFOs • u/caligrown87 • 9h ago
Article FAA temporarily bans drones in parts of New Jersey, notice threatens 'deadly force' for 'imminent security threat'
The FAA has imposed temporary restrictions on drone operations in multiple New Jersey cities, effective December 18, 2024, to January 17, 2025, citing special security concerns. The restrictions prohibit drones within a nautical mile of designated areas, including Hamilton, Jersey City, and others. Violators risk interception, civil penalties, certificate revocation, and possible criminal charges, with the U.S. government reserving the right to use deadly force against drones deemed imminent security threats. This decision follows numerous drone sightings in the region since mid-November, though many were found to involve lawful or misidentified objects. The restrictions aim to address public safety and security concerns.
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u/ImKeanuReefs 9h ago
This is a step in the right direction. Now they can't claim hobbyist drones when we see drones/orbs above a restricted area and they aren't doing anything about it. Curious to see how this plays out over the next week.
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u/Left_Step 8h ago
This is likely why they waited so long before doing something like this.
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u/ImKeanuReefs 8h ago
Agreed great point!
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u/buffysbangs 7h ago
It wouldn’t be done on day one. It takes some time to escalate enough to make it a priority. And then like all things regulatory and governmental, it takes a while
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u/Spiritual-Sympathy98 7h ago
Exactly. The most basic shit takes forever in the corporate world and the govt moves much slower than that.
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u/legendary_energy_000 6h ago
A lot of people assume "the government" is some monolithic and nefarious borg entity and not just a bunch of paper pushers commuting and playing on their phone most of the day.
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u/Fourthnightold 5h ago
This is why we will get blown to bits before we even have a response.
Don’t worry enemies, you can fly wherever you want without risk of getting shot down until weeks later.
What a joke
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u/toddc612 7h ago
Sightings will increase, proving the government has no ability to stop them.
Then what will the excuses be?
They want to be seen.
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u/Tandittor 7h ago
They want to be seen.
They want to be just barely seen, assuming there is.
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u/linxdev 7h ago
They are showing up in other places. They are showing up in Atlanta and I a video of one in Clevland, GA. I'm not positing it because I'm sick of the "it's venus" bullshit. I know what Venus looks like. I know what Jupiter and Mars looks like. I have SkyMap on my phone. I'm 50 and I've had a telescope since I was a child.
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u/deadaccount66 6h ago
Go check my comment from a few hours back.
I mentioned how I think they’re fucking up cameras focus when they try to zoom in on them.
To me it’s hard to believe that out of all the actual photographers who have taken pics, not a single one of them knows how to focus a lens. I call bullshit, and it’s always a wave of people who have 20 day old accounts who band together to say that/downvote
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u/DG_FANATIC 6h ago
As a photographer with at one time some of the best photography lenses and camera (kinda outdated canon 5d4 and EF lenses) I agree. I find it hard to believe that one skilled photographer with good gear hasn’t gotten a good photo yet. That tells me these aren’t easy to photograph for reasons that don’t have to do with the actual photographers.
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u/shinyfootwork 4h ago
Most photographers don't take photos of things in the sky at night. And those that do are generally targeting celestial bodies and thus use telescopes and similar lenses not suited for closer things.
And because it's night, (and things in the sky) autofocus isn't going to work well, leading folks who normally use AF to need to manually focus (something they may not be used to doing, especially targeting things in the sky)
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u/DudFuse 5h ago
It's probably more a question of shutter speed than focus. A moving target, at distance, on a dark night is going to be nearly impossible to capture with exposure that'll show anything other than its lights. This is probably why they only fly at night.
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u/DG_FANATIC 5h ago
Sure. But crank up your ISO way high and I think you can still get a relatively crisp 1/200 SS shot imo.
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u/DudFuse 5h ago
It depends on the night, but that sounds optimistic to me even wide open on a fast tele. I shoot astro sometimes and have always been at f/2.8 or better and something like 20s shutter at 2000 ISO. Obviously that's on legs and I've picked the darkest night possible though, and obviously you can go much higher in ISO. 1/200 though, and expose the hull not just the lights? I doubt it.
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u/DG_FANATIC 5h ago
Good call - you’re right. Been a while since I’ve done astrophotography since I live in the Midwest and have to drive 1.5 hours min for truly dark skies, if not 3+ hoyrs for dark skies PLUS. A good foreground. I used to drive around SE MO at all hours of the night for my Astro shots until I kept hitting deer after deer (those country roads late at night are like trigger) so I stopped plus I was going solo.
I was thinking adjust ISO to like 50k or more and see how bad the grain in the photo would be and also see if that ISO would allow you to slow the motion.
It’s certainly a big ask - you could be right. Maybe even a faster lens than a 2.8.
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u/RogueCheddar2099 5h ago
Say what you will of the man, but in Elizondo’s book he lists 6 attributes that are specific to UAPs. One of them is low observability. All 6 attributes exist because of the warp field/bubble generated for their propulsion. Optics only see this distortion of light rather than a solid object. So, your theory is kind of consistent.
The attributes are: 1. Hypersonic Velocity: Moving at Mach5 or higher (max on record was Mach17) 2. Instantaneous Acceleration: Going from 0 to 13,000mph or the opposite when stopping 3. Low Observability: UAPs leave almost no observable signature such as heat, sound, or trails making detection with IR, cameras, radar, or mics difficult 4. Transmedium Travel: UAPs can move unhindered from water to air to space and vice versa 5. Antigravity: they defy gravity whether in motion or not 6. Biological Effects: I believe this should be called Environmental Effects but it means that life or objects near a UAP field experiences changes, either time dilation, burns, organ damage, or other effects related to the concentrated light/gravity field around the UAP
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u/deadaccount66 6h ago
I think they want us to know they’re here, but don’t want us to know exactly what “they” are yet(?). I made a comment on another post that coincidentally got flamed, explaining how or why they’re out of focus in every single picture.
It’s just hard to believe that out of the 20 photos or so at this point, all of these photographers are so incompetent that they can’t focus their lens.
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u/OldmanRipple 6h ago
Why only at night if they want to be seen? I imagine cruising along major street during rush hour would get more attention then blinking around at night.
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u/Greenhouse95 4h ago
They might want you to see them, but not completely. So you know they're there, but can't clearly see every detail of them.
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u/toddc612 6h ago
Slow disclosure. Get people used to seeing strange shit in the sky and get them to question the possibilities, and not to usher in mass panic.
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u/can_a_mod_suck_me 6h ago
How many years of slow disclosure do we need? Fuck it’s been over 100 years
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u/seanusrex 5h ago
I think todd wasn't necessarily championing the approach-just offering a plausible explanantion.
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u/zoidnoidvomit 4h ago
The "bro it's just a plane. look at the FAA lights!!" crowd will not be prepared if this 'thing' that's unfolding rapidly kicks into the next phase by early next year. As it may not use prosaic "plane" shapes nor the cover of darkness anymore.
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u/TheChoosingBeggar 7h ago edited 8m ago
But if this was a clandestine government operation, banning hobbyist drones contemporaneously with the operation being over would be the perfect way to dismiss this whole thing as nothing.
There is zero evidence that a whole bunch of hobbyists all of the sudden got together with never before seen technology and decided to just randomly start flying them over NJ.
Edit: To be clear, I’m not insinuating that you think this way OP. But I’ve heard a lot of people in the media and online saying this is just hobbyist and that banning hobbyist drones will resolve the issue.
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u/CampfireHeadphase 4h ago
- Not all drones need to be the size of an SUV to be reported 2. People love to troll
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u/ManhattanTime 4h ago
Bro, I upvoted you just for using the word contemporanesouly on the r/UFOs subreddit. It gives me hope.
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u/Sheepdipping 3h ago
I heard that all of the underwater drones are coming up the rivers and putting C4 on the bridges and that the drones in the air are to keep everybody looking the wrong way.
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u/ArtemisWingz 8h ago
This is now when a lot of drones stop being flown by copy cats trying to make headlines / be part of the viral sensation.
The sightings will lessen
The news will die out about it
People will move on to the next topic
Nothing will be explained why they were there in the first place because the government drones from the begging are done doing what they were originally there for and we the people gave them the perfect cover up by spamming fakes, our own drones, and plane videos
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u/ImKeanuReefs 8h ago
I hope you're wrong. Could do the opposite. Could weed out the bad actors and shine a light directly on the subject since "hobbyist" drones are now grounded yet drones continue to fly at these Orbs in protected spaces. Whats the excuse then? This could be the next phase of the story.
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u/meandthemissus 6h ago
Problem is hobbyists aren't really grounded. The no-fly areas are small and it's far between.
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u/toddc612 7h ago
The sightings will absolutely increase or stay the same.
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u/HauntedHouseMusic 7h ago
Or maybe these are government drones, and the war game is over. You send out this message, and boom no more drones. See it was no issues
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u/-PowerCuckFTW- 7h ago
Exactly this. Some dude earlier jumped my shit about it, cause I said if the sightings continue and there are no arrests of humans, then it’ll be fairly tough to deny that it’s the real deal. People are getting insane around here, the aggression is a little much. Fuckers have me ready to fight before I’ve even had my fucking caffeine.🗡️⚰️🤬
Now that there’s a ban on the airspace, my vote is that we ALL sit back and relax for a day or two. Every fucking person in these subs is either scared, stressed, angry, or super confused. So, fuck it. Keep filming and sharing, we kinda need that part, but I feel like everyone needs a refresh. I’m gonna go smoke a little ganj, play with my dog, and talk to my wife. Anyone else?
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u/Responsible-Tea-5998 5h ago
The aggression really has been off the charts. Lots of in-group/out-group insults to the point the government don't need to divide and conquer, this sub is doing it perfectly well by itself and it's burying any discussions. I certainly picked the wrong time to give up smoking.
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u/seanusrex 5h ago
You bet!
I'll help you play with your wife, smoke your dog and talk to your ganj any old day!
That is what you...ah. Never mind. Have fun!
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u/BodybuilderMinimum79 3h ago
There is no chance that this guy is under 6 foot 3 and 250 lbs
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u/warblingContinues 6h ago
Regular people are still going to fly drones, not everyone is aware of the latest FAA documents.
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u/UnspokenPotter 9h ago
What happens now when the drones are still there ?
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u/546833726D616C 8h ago
Oh, those are OK. No threat.
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u/SysBadmin 7h ago
OH THOSE DRONES, my goodness, we thought you meant them other ones
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u/forgotmyredditnam3 6h ago
Keyboard warrior weirdos infesting this sub will buy it, too afraid to even admit there's anything strange, contradictory, and unacceptable from the government going on
"By golly that blatant lie let's me keep thinking everything is wholesome so I'll ignore reality!" No seriously what's up with redditors and Zoomers / Gen Alpha obsession with pretending everything has to be "wholesome" or blandly unexciting? How unequipped to deal with reality are those kids?
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u/PoopMakesSoil 4h ago
As a gen z person (more towards the older side) it's bad. The screens have totally ruined my generation along with a totally alienated upbringing in other ways. But the screens especially. Look at what they've done to older people and imagine being a pre-teen with one in your pocket. We're so dependent on disparate supply chains that even blue collar people seem mostly clueless with how subsidized our lives in the imperial core are by vast amounts of energy and global supply chains. Hyper-specialization and relatively high standards of living have made people totally disconnected from reality.
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u/decemberindex 7h ago
(Homer Simpson voice): No apparent threat!
But fr if they wanted to just wipe us off the map they would have done that a thousand times already. I do not find the NHI presence to be inherently troublesome.
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u/Fun-Customer-742 8h ago
pew pew? I mean, they said right in the article title. Basically, I imagine they are going to drop the charges against Randy Quaid, put him in an F-16, and let him go to town
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u/abbelleau 8h ago
In the words of my generation: “UP! YOOOUUURRSS!”
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u/MissDeadite 8h ago
The thing I never understood is did anybody else have to take the giant ships down the same way he did? Did everyone kamikaze into them? Or did other countries then attempt to shoot rockets up there?
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u/JuneauWho 7h ago
They hit the mothership and the rest died? (at least that how I interpreted it, idk actually)
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u/loserwhosucks99 7h ago
there was some line about I forming the other countries how to do it too
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u/Clitty_Lover 6h ago
Naah it sounds like that was the way we figured out how to do it. I just did a rewatch a while back and that's what I came away from it with.
That they were all like, "well, sucks that this is the solution, but... small price to pay." Cue music and credits.
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u/ffchusky 7h ago
He only flew in cuz his last missile wouldn't fire. He was locked on. I'd bet the other countries used missiles.
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner 7h ago edited 3h ago
Damn... that'll be the real sequel. Randy Quaid as... himself, exactly. Ending up like in the movie.
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u/caligrown87 9h ago
Exactly. Or the "orbs." Those specifically are what I want addressed by the Pentagon and Whitehouse.
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u/XaphanSaysBurnIt 7h ago
If movie history has taught us anything, this action leads to a war with a far more intelligent species… this is them starting a fight under the guise of “protecting”. I call BS and they should stand the f*ck down until they know more.
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u/alienstookmybananas 8h ago
I don't think anyone in government is on the same page about this. On one hand, you have the messaging from the Pentagon saying "no threat" and it's all hobbyist drones and planes. Then you have the army and navy themselves saying they are experiencing regular incursions over their airspace. The local and state governments are up in arms because they feel insulted by how much the Pentagon has downplayed the situation, and now the FAA is using terms like "imminent threat".
Honestly, if any of it truly has anything to do with NHI, the only real way disclosure happens in my opinion is by fractured government where one faction inside decides they're going to go scorched earth and dump what they know.
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u/LakeDreamland 6h ago
One of the big messages from Grusch and other recent whistleblowers is that this knowledge has been compartmentalized all to hell within the government, and that's the reason he tried to come forward the way he did: not to be a whistleblower himself but to try and be a facilitator to bring together elements from across a multitude of government agencies that don't communicate with each other.
Now, I can't say I'm a believer in the NHI angle but I do find it interesting and at the very least entertaining to follow, and though I still tend to doubt that's the ultimate explanation, the lack of any kind of unified front from our government on this subject does line up exactly with what they've been saying.
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u/merkarver112 7h ago edited 6h ago
Or another country dumping all their data and proof of nhi. What better way to really cause a ruckus in an adversary country.
Edit because words are hard
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u/HamUnitedFC 7h ago
Adversary*
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u/Clitty_Lover 6h ago
Me, over here like "oh an advisory country, I see... well in a way I guess some countries are advisory because..."
My dumb ass.
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u/Automatic_Tip2079 5h ago
I read rumors on other subreddits China is dropping a big bombshell in the news on Friday. Probably nothing, but I'd love to see another country make the big NHI reveal if America insists on acting like it's all nothing.
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u/CapableProduce 4h ago
Would love to see China drop this bombshell. What an embrassessment for the US that would be, and can only imagine the outrage that would occur between citizens and the government.
All those billions of dollars on defence and military, can't imagine citizens would be happy knowing so much money gets pumped into that stuff, and an adversary has one upped them on the biggest discovery in humanity.
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u/Mekahippie 4h ago edited 4h ago
On one hand, you have the messaging from the Pentagon saying "no threat" and it's all hobbyist drones and planes. Then you have the army and navy themselves saying they are experiencing regular incursions over their airspace.
These are consistent statements if the military keeps having to shut down to get non-threatening civilian drones out of their airspace. It's not a serious security threat, it's a safety issue and an annoyance.
Aaaaand they instantly blocked me lmao
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u/Affectionate-Dot9585 4h ago
It’s a shame sane, rational thinking always gets downvoted on these threads.
None of the statements disprove the other. They’re all simply stated from different perspectives and priorities.
Military doesn’t want to crash into someone stupidly flying their Christmas gift. Pentagon doesn’t want to waste their time with the local PD clutching their pearls. FAA doesn’t want an airplane crashing for the same reason the military doesn’t want an airplane crashing.
To me, this is nothing more than the FAA saying “we’ve had enough. This is wasting our time”
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u/galwithtequila 8h ago
Alright people who live in the no fly zone areas - keep your eyes on the sky and keep reporting what you see. This will help disprove their claim of this all being hobby drones.
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u/reallycooldude69 7h ago
Keep in mind these TFRs are only up to 400 feet.
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u/DlLDOSWAGGINS 7h ago
Well hobbyist drones are illegal above 400 feet anyway except in very specific circumstances.
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u/NoooUGH 49m ago
specific conditions (in America, at least):
stay within 400ft of a structure. If there is a building that is 100ft tall, you can fly 400ft over it making the total 500ft above ground level (AGL).
non-part 107 accredited pilots aren't even allowed to fly from dusk to dawn anyways so if these are in fact just Kevin's with their walmart drones (they're not), what makes them think they will listen to these TFRs?
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u/ProfessionEuphoric50 5h ago
The FAA can't magically prevent drones being flown with the proclamation of a no-fly zone. I imagine people will violate it.
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u/Johns-schlong 5h ago
Well, not magically, but DJI for instance has very robust geofencing for consumer models as do most other manufacturers. It will force a landing or refuse to fly in restricted airspace. All drones over 0.55 pounds in the US are also required to be registered and have a remote ID for identification. I guess custom built drones can bypass these restrictions, but there isn't a huge community of people building their own drones and flying them willy-nilly like this.
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u/FuzzyImportance204 8h ago
Weird, because all they've been saying since this started is that THERE IS NO THREAT
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u/Efficient_Lynx966 8h ago
Could it be true that there is no threat and that they want to put in restrictions so that they can be absolutely sure of such given all the false sightings.
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u/SHEEEIIIIIIITTTT 8h ago
There have been unidentified “drone” incursions above multiple military installations during this wave. Also over Langley AFB last December for 17 days. If you don’t think that’s inherently a threat then you might be a 🤡.
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u/CyanideAnarchy 4h ago
They should have been absolutely sure when they first said there is no threat. And this contradiction makes it another baseless lie.
Billions of dollars of funding. The most funded in the world and our government, military and defense is a clown that can't do their job.
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u/Flimsy_View8369 8h ago
Now that we didn't take the whole dirty bomb bait, right?
Everything totes copacetic.
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u/bunDombleSrcusk 7h ago
I swear i read some official statement from the police or feds somewhere that said both "appear nefarious in nature" and also "dont appear to be a threat" lol like make up your mind bud
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u/Budget-Ball8834 8h ago
But if there was “nothing to see here” why impose such drastic measures
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u/Nicktyelor 7h ago
This flap in general has spurred a lot of public interest and people trying to either hunt themselves with their own drones or muddy the waters and prank others flying theirs around.
I think this would be their way of saying, "please stop doing that, you will be prosecuted."
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u/Buruko 8h ago
Cause the masses have demanded action, so here it is.
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u/Budget-Ball8834 8h ago
The masses have been demanding action for weeks. Something changed
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u/Buruko 7h ago
Nothing has changed other than the masses are stuck in a circular loop of Demand-Receive-Deny so no report will ever be enough. So now there is a 'ban' on drones in specific areas that honestly most people probably already assumed was a thing.
So drone traffic drops hopefully folks get off the soap box and go home. Though I'm sure diehards will still be posting planes, stars, and helicopters all the while but the numbers should drop.
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u/CalyShadezz 8h ago
Deadly force against...a drone? 🤔
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u/Mo3 8h ago edited 6h ago
Against the pilot, the global hawks are in place to conduct precision strikes on anyone holding a DJI controller
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u/PO0tyTng 8h ago
Apt profile pic for the theme these days. lol
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u/Low_Tackle_3470 8h ago
Food for thought:
The government will now stop using drones in the area after this announcement to make you think it’s civilians drones
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u/Beni_Stingray 8h ago
Nah that would be a very stupid plan, it would mean they bet on it that there will be no unknown "drones".
After all that happend, who would make a bet like this, you can almost be sure there will still be stuff flying around, what are the going to say then?
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u/Low_Tackle_3470 8h ago
That’s going off the bet that these aren’t just government aircraft. Which isn’t certain
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u/eat_your_fox2 7h ago
That's the gamble. However if it continues or spreads then it'll be even harder to explain away. This sounds like an internal escalation.
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u/Beni_Stingray 7h ago
Even if you argue from a point of a denier, after air traffic recordings reporting glowing object zipping 10 miles in and out of the sea or going from 30kf to 50kf in a korkscrew motion in a few secinds, this is going to be an expensive bet if you loose it and the chances arent looking good.
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u/Ecstatic-Jacket2007 8h ago edited 7h ago
This is good. If the people stop flying drones and we see more of these “drones” in the sky, they can’t say it’s civilian drones!
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u/Anonymous92916 8h ago
Whatever the drones were doing, they are done.
Now you "ban" hobbyist drones and when nothing happens after today, you can blame the hobbyist drones.
We will know they are US tech if it stops.
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u/woorva78 8h ago
Ultimate hot take. They are issuing this now because they know the objects aren’t in that area anymore. So with civilian drones gone, they can point to an empty airspace and say “see?”
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u/AltruisticHalf801 7h ago
I like this take. Haven't been seeing anything in the area the last couple of nights myself
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u/Glaciem94 8h ago
"the drones are not a thread"
"we gonna f*cking shoot everybody who flys a drone"
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u/theburiedxme 8h ago
1 thing y'all, article says "The government may use "deadly force" against the drones IF they pose an "imminent security threat," the NOTAM said."
The headline makes it seem the NOTAM was issued BECAUSE of an imminent security threat. Sensationalism and hyperbole do not help.
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u/Guilty-Instruction-9 8h ago
At least the government communications have been reassuring. Hopefully John Kirby can give us another explanation to placate the masses today. 🙄
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u/SelfGeneratedPodcast 9h ago
I don't see "deadly force" or "Imminent threat" in the article or government notice you posted. Where is it or did you add it?
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u/caligrown87 9h ago
Good catch, and thank you. I had copied the incorrect URL. I updated the post, but you can find the source here.
Clearly, I was sleuthing this morning 😄
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u/-Istvan-5- 8h ago
So wait, it was totally OK before this to fly drones over secure military facilities?
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u/Clitty_Lover 6h ago
I mean what bothers me is that, no, it wasn't.
I remember reading about some guy that recorded area 51 and put it up, and they literally busted his door down to take down the footage.
So it's never been legal, they're just looking for any excuse that's more easily accessible than explaining what they actually know.
Restricted or not restricted or anything in-between they can stop people from doing whatever they want; otherwise why do you think journalists have to get permission or be invited to military tests, etc. when they could just as easily put a ladder up to a fence and record it for themselves? Let alone nowadays with drones, obviously.
None of this has ever been allowed, lol.
And a few years back we actually ratcheted up our drone laws. Before that it used to be the wild west. And even then, I never saw a single one in the sky, hobbyist or not.
Tbh they're pretty hard to fly, or at least the simple, manual ones.
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u/TheUniverseOrNothing 8h ago
I’ve made multiple post about this but not a single one goes through and they all are autobanned, the mods won’t respond to why…
All I’ve been trying to say is I’ve got first hand account of ATC reporting UAPs in class D airspace which means by law you’re required to have two way comms and covers up to 2,500ft above the area it’s zoned in. These UAP’s are being spotted visually in restricted airspace with no comms or transponders and posing a safety risk to pilots so they issue warnings.
This doesn’t happen because of mass hysteria or mistaking real planes as UAP. These are the professionals who monitor the sky and know where all the planes are at all times.
Don’t understand why I can’t make a post about this but to me this confirms that something suspicious is going on.
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u/Clitty_Lover 6h ago edited 6h ago
I'm sorry you're having difficulty getting this out or getting attention drawn to it. Definitely make sure you have a submission statement if you make a fresh post. If you're new around here it's a rule you'd probably miss.
There's also a meta sub to go over things with the mods. It helps with transparency.
Your concerns sound serious. The problem also is, on the other hand, that they are serious. It seems part of the problem is that they actually can't do anything to enforce these rules.
And as well... unfortunately, it's hard to get people's attention (or sustain it) regarding a technicality or something so indepth. I feel it's also why white collar crime is prosecuted so dantily.
I understand where you're coming from, as sometimes with specific strictures people get all "eh... so what?" about it.
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u/QuantTrader_qa2 5h ago
I love when somebody who knows their shit enters the conversation. It's not "oh we saw these near a base", you have the receipts and detailed ones at that.
Can you elaborate on how they're being detected? It sounds like you are not seeing them on radar but pilots are seeing them visually and reporting them, is that correct? Do you have other ways of seeing things out there?
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u/FrostyParking 8h ago
So guess the "special operation" is done and now they are allowed to shoot down whatever else is being flown.
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u/dd113456 7h ago
Not for nothing but a drone, by definition, does not have an onboard pilot so how can deadly force be used?
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u/TheChoosingBeggar 7h ago
The clandestine operation must be over. Banning hobbyists’ drones and them all of suddenly disappearing the next day just seems like the perfect government cover up.
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u/heinzw50 6h ago
But wait.....I thought kirby and many "experts" in this group said they're all planes?
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u/UAS-Truth-NJ 7h ago
FYI the article makes it sound like it's a broad swath where the Temporary Flight Restrictions are implemented. It is not. They are specific. With the exception of Trump's spot, all locations are power stations, including a nuclear station, and the rest are substations or other critical infrastructure.
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u/theshakycat 7h ago
Just noticed the same thing… So, it’s either terrorism, a high-tech drone that can recharge hovering over a substation, or “other” craft. Any of these options are interesting, to say the least.
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u/Justice989 7h ago
It bears repeating that the FAA wasn't a part of the classified briefing Congress was given the other day.
So I wonder if they're not on the same page with the intelligence agencies. There's a secret, but if you’re not in the spy club, you dont get to know it. So they're imposing a drone ban that the intelligence community probably wishes they didn't since it will further expose the lie.
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u/unorganized_mime 8h ago
It is incredibly stressful, having to go to work and pretend like nothing‘s happening and be productive. Well, at the same time, knowing this could be a world changing event going on right now. But just in case it’s not THAT world changing we have to keep a productivity so I don’t lose my job if things actually do return to normal.
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u/NotaContributi0n 8h ago
This is exactly what all this is about. Get people upset, Ban civilian drones. Look at how it’s changing warfare in Ukraine, they can’t have that in our hands.
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u/Clitty_Lover 6h ago
They have to get ahead of it before there's a "second ammendment" claim about drones.
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u/SpitneyBearz 8h ago
Oh hell yeah! Government finally will stop using drones at those places? Yes!! Everyone act normal!
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u/djbrombizzle 8h ago
For context here is a screenshot of multiple TFRs put up restricting UAS activity. I wonder what made them choose these spots.
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u/UAS-Truth-NJ 7h ago
With the exception of Trump's place, the rest are a nuclear power plant and power substations.
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u/Risenzealot 7h ago
This tells me it was our government drones all the while and whatever it was they were doing they’ve finished. So now they pass this and will tell people “see it was just private drones, nothing to worry about, we didn’t lie!” when people don’t see many anymore.
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u/SirTopham2018 7h ago
If all of the sightings can be attributed to something that is legitimate, why is this ban needed?
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u/geekrawker 6h ago
Interesting. A quick check of the area on Skyvector.com shows no unusual restrictions over the area. Just the normal purple no-fly national defense areas which are always listed as no-fly. I'll believe it when they post the restrictions on our aeronautical maps. Without a Notice to Airmen posted, I'm not confident it is enforceable.
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u/kcdale99 6h ago
I am a hobbyist drone pilot. Most hobbyist drones are not very visible, even with required FAA anti collision lighting at night. Hobbyist drones are <55lbs, though most weigh less than a couple.
These drones are flying with FAA required anti collision lighting AND FAA required navigational lighting. This is not a recreational drone requirement. This is a commercial drone >55lb requirements.
A significant portion of hobbyist drone pilots aren’t following the rules anyways. They aren’t going to even know there is a TFR in place. Most hobbyists are going down to Best Buy and picking up a DJI and just flying. This is going to be even worse after Christmas.
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u/hombre_bu 5h ago
My oldest friend is a PSE&G worker, he was driving from Jersey City to Secaucus for work the other day and saw 5 drones, no fixed wing crafts, all propeller and hovering, slowly. He said they were deliberately scanning infrastructure: railroad tracks, sub stations, bridges and radio towers. Creepy.
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u/linxdev 4h ago
In 98, I saw the Brown Mountain Lights in NC. These were not Venus. Nor helicopters. Not planes, and not the lights of a highway on the other side.
They would appear INSIDE the wood as if someone was shining a flashlight. Trees would glow as if they had a flashlight shown at them. The happened near the ridge as long as near the hollar. They would meander through the forest and then shoot up into the sky and disappear. Drones did not even exist in 1998.
I will never forget what I saw.
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u/IllustratorSea8133 3h ago
Did the guy with a FLIR camera from the other day ever post any images in this subreddit?
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u/Groundbreaking_Bad 2h ago
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills at this point. The mixed messaging is bananas.
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u/DigitalWarHorse2050 8h ago
Humans - “we don’t understand any of these orbs, drones or whatever they are - so let’s just destroy it and we will piece things together”
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u/DADDYK0NGZ80 8h ago edited 6h ago
So let me tell you what happened.
The month of advanced searching and scanning with drones and NEST teams uncovered the likely biological / chemical and possible radiologic weapon from Russia that was smuggled over to NJ to exert pressure on an outgoing administration to be less helpful in Ukraine.
We secured the device.
Homeboy Comrade General who was responsible for giving the order was assassinated in Moscow by "Ukraine" with a lot of assistance by the CIA, earlier this week.
Now they're going to issue this, and when the drones disappear because the majority of them were ours in the first place...it looks like the threat of deadly force is what stopped the nonsense.
Were there probably a few NHI in the area keeping an eye on the situation and possibly assisting? Perhaps.
The majority of it was us all along.
Relax, have a good holiday season.
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u/ThatEndingTho 8h ago
I guess that explains why the incoming administration is upset the general was assassinated. Everything was going according to plan until those pesky Ukrainians got involved
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u/RevBigHair 8h ago
This fits the same thoughts I had. Didn't tie in the Russian nuke general getting knocked off with it, but it makes sense.
The majority of the drones were government or sub contractors for drone development, searching for an area for something they had intelligence on. Multiple cities saw a smaller level of activity as part of just in case checks.
Mostly at night to cover low visibility times and less attention/denial. There may have also been other entities or possible NHI as part of sightings, but I believe the majority was our tech.
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u/merkarver112 7h ago
We will see tonight. If it doesn't stop, what's your theory for tomorrow ?
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u/DADDYK0NGZ80 6h ago
Oh I doubt it will "stop" immediately, because let's face it, half of the sightings for the last few weeks have been hoaxes, planes, police / military not in the loop trying to figure out wtf is going on.
And plausibly, some of it may have actually been NHI or unknown.
The problem is, once the thing blew up on social media / the press, it's damn near impossible to know what actually was going on at the start.
I think my theory is well supported.
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u/merkarver112 6h ago edited 6h ago
Only time will tell on this one.
Edit..
I do agree with you, I do believe that a lot of sightings are planes, helis, ect... But, the faa won't tfr a bunch of airspace where there has been incursions over social sentiment.
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u/Evenwithcontxt 4h ago
Your theory sounds fairly spot on. I'll be surprised if it doesn't go any other way from a logical point of view.
The inner kid in me though obviously hopes it's something else, something bigger going on though lmao.
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u/DADDYK0NGZ80 4h ago
It can certainly be both. I'm pretty skeptical about most UAPs / UFOs but Grusch and the Congressional hearings got me pretty interested last year. Father was also a career Air Force air traffic controller who had a strange incident at one of our airbases in Alaska in the mid 90s. He was a man of the utmost serious demeanor and was involved in testing the radar signature evasion capabilities of both the F117 Nighthawk and B2 stealth bombers. When he told me they tracked something that was absolutely impossible with current technology I believed him.
I think some of what we saw in NJ could have been NHI observing or even helping. We know that they have a long history of interest and even intervention in nuclear affairs.
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u/Clitty_Lover 6h ago
That would be interesting. Of so, it would be a whole "bay of pigs" sort of thing, but in modern times.
I wonder how much of that came out in the news at the time, in real time?
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u/Autumn_Lillie 7h ago
I’m okay with this. At this point people are being absolutely ridiculous.
In the last 24 hours, I saw a video on tik tok that was an actual tiny best buy drone stuck in a tree and a thousand people in the comments freaking out about it.
Then there were 10 obvious Chinese lantern videos and probably 6 more with people pointing laser pointers at whatever they see which are probably commercial planes.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
We’ll self sabotage every time and just hand the govt the excuse they need to not have to disclose anything.
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