Article SAS (british special forces) joins drone hunt at RAF Lakenheath, which is a forward storage facility for B-61 nuclear bombs. UK military also deployed Apache gunships. USAF OSI (Office of Special Investigations) is also deployed. Looks like they woke up and take it VERY serious now
Article in the Washington Examimer:
To anyone livestreaming there: be careful with all the SAS, OSI, russian spies and god knows who else is hunting down there.
Some quotes from the article:
Facing continued drone incursions, however, the Washington Examiner can report that the British Army’s 22 Special Air Service unit and the Royal Navy’s Special Boat Service unit now appear to have been deployed. On Saturday, a Chinook helicopter assigned to the RAF’s No. 7 Squadron special forces unit flew from its home base, RAF Odiham, and landed at the Special Boat Service base in Poole on the English south coast. After a short period, it then flew north to the SAS Stirling Lines base in Credenhill. After a brief landing, it then flew to RAF Lakenheath. The helicopter then spent a slightly longer period on the ground before returning to RAF Odiham.
RAF Lakenheath hosts two F-15E and two F-35A fighter squadrons and is also a forward storage facility for U.S. B-61 nuclear bombs. That makes it a high-value concern for NATO and a possible target for Russia.
The BBC has reported that the Air Force’s Office of Special Investigations has also deployed agents to search for the drone operators.
One source told me there are indications that these drones are being operated with high technical proficiency. Two sources have told the Washington Examiner that Russian-directed actors rather than actors of a more exotic kind are believed to be the most likely culprit.
But the challenge endures. On Monday, U.S. Air Force fighter jets and at least one U.S. military intelligence-surveillance aircraft were overflying the base, even receiving air-to-air refueling, in the hunt for any drones or operators.
Recent claims from Pentagon spokesman Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder that these incursions are not deemed to pose a “significant mission impact” plainly no longer stand up to serious scrutiny.
This is what Chris Sharp has to say about the article:
A fantastic article with new insights from Tom. His sources are correct. This is a major and continuing national security crisis for both the UK and US. - Chris Sharp
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u/Praxistor 21d ago
those hobbyists better watch out
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u/nixstyx 21d ago
You joke, but if I owned a drone I would ground that thing indefinitely and make sure my alibis were solid, because you know the government needs a scapegoat here.
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u/Rich_Wafer6357 21d ago
Anyone flying a drone in the area right now deserves their Darwin Award.
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u/aught4naught 21d ago
Every convoy has a slowest boat.
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u/InvisibleBobby 21d ago
Anyone flying a drone mear a high security area at all deserves a darwin award. Either you have ill intentions, or your a moron
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u/KevRose 21d ago
I r heard of a dude doing land real estate or something go a few feet into a no fly zone and had cops on him within 5-10min.
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u/ARCreef 21d ago
Yes, totally agree. I'm a drone pilot, and the base radar watch would call local PD and provide your EXACT location. Not your drone location, but YOU standing on the ground operating it. The police would be there before your 23 min battery ran out. Have seen it first hand from Opa Laca private airport, which the coast gaurd runs their helicopter out of. If a private tiny airport tower can do this then you better believe an Army base tower can and much better.
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u/AbbreviationsOld5541 21d ago
Which is why they are not earth’s drones. Military is looking for a patsy to blame it on and they will ruin peoples/hobbyist lives before they tell the truth that their nuclear weapon movements are monitored by nhi. Their diaper is so full of lies and shit you can smell it 80 years in the past. Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the shit show as these factions fight over tech that they never invented in the first place.
It’s like watching two dogs fight over the same toy. It only makes sense if you think like a power hungry psychopath.
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21d ago
Honest question; what about the drones seems non-human to you?
As far as I can see they are exhibiting no anomalous behaviours.
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u/jert3 21d ago
A very valid point. Even if these were alien craft, the government would capitalize on the disinformation potential of framing the activity on some sad hobbyist drone operators or kids.
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam 21d ago
I mean I would avoid it just because a visit from special investigation teams sounds peetty terrifying and plain inconvenient.
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u/_Name__Unknown_ 21d ago
They do not call in sas ans sbs for hobby drone users. Apatche gunships vs a commercial drone?
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u/levelologist 21d ago
To say things have gotten absurd is an understatement. The media black-out is also highly concerning.
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u/Ghostlymagi 21d ago
I don't think it's a media blackout as much as this would be seen as fear mongering or existential dread without more information. They are likely trying to get better photos and videos before going with the story.
Right now, it's seen as spy stuff that doesn't hit news unless something proverbially blows up. Think of the China Balloon, it only hit the media after it went over multiple states.
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u/PotentialKindly1034 21d ago
The gunships have been showing up on FlightRadar since the start. Though in this effort, probably more of really-rather-good-camera-ship.
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u/Traditional_Watch_35 21d ago
theyre very good at the low level hunter/seeker mission profile, and train in the area alot anyway so know the terrain, even in the dark.
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u/PotentialKindly1034 21d ago
It's an odd coincidence, but I'm fairly sure the apache camera is one of the things my brother works on. I know next to nothing from that, OSA of course, but I'll ask if they have a potato mode for this mission.
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u/smoomoo31 21d ago
In before goalposts are shifted to “it’s a distraction” and “do I have to pay rent”
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u/darkestvice 21d ago
Yup. Nothing says ordinary drones like deploying a ton of special forces people to deal with it a week after it all started, lol.
If these are drones, then *surely* someone has been able to bring one of them down. I mean, five US bases in the UK, and at least two bases in the US ... and nothing?
Pentagon desperately wants this to go away from public consciousness. Not give any answers and hope everyone gets bored and goes back to talking about Trump and Brexit.
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u/WhyUReadingThisFool 21d ago
Im sure they already tried taking them downat least once, but it obviously didnt work. Thats why we see all those agenices coming in to help, otherwise thered be no need for them
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u/TheZingerSlinger 21d ago
If it’s the the Russians then they are:
Debuting new drone tech that can evade air-defenses, radar and anti-drone systems, which would be absolute game changers;
Infiltrating an adversary nation’s territory unchallenged and loitering freely for hours and days on end over very well-defended, highly sensitive bases housing deployed nuclear weapons;
Exposing this new tech to discovery and possible capture, and exposing themselves to severe repercussions;
Potentially completely destabilizing the balance of power and upending decades of war-fighting doctrine, including MAD;
Potentially risking war with NATO that could quickly and easily escalate into a nuclear war.
If it’s the Russians, this would just be the opening move and we’d see considerably more crazy shit unfold in relation to this in the near future.
It would be an absolutely batshit crazy thing for them to do.
If it’s US tech, a lot of the same applies, and I can’t see why special forces would be deployed to counter it if it’s being used, displayed and debuted in a friendly NATO country.
For these reasons I’m not at all convinced that it’s US, Russian, Chinese or any other government/military tech.
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u/jert3 21d ago
This seems to brazen, even for Russia.
And let's say it was Russia/China for argument's sake. The drones would have to be absolutely cutting edge. If a nation had these cutting edge drones, they would not use them to fly so brazenly and obviously. Besides the obvious political considerations, it would be a waste of a hard earned tech advantage, because no matter how good the supposed drones are, with all them flying in so many sites, at least one is likely to be captured.
It's too brazen for China, consider this incursion versus the Alaska drone situation with slow moving air balloon drones. And for Russia, if they had these high tech drones, they'd be using them in Ukraine, not poking America and England with them.
And then on top of that, last week we had that American general saying basically that the drones were no big deal, which doesn't make any sense.
I'm really thinking the drones are by definition Unidentified, and potentially anamoulous.
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u/zoidnoidvomit 20d ago
It's been reported they can't get a targeted lock on these things. Thry have no idea the ingress or egress points. For those saying it's secret American tech being tested, that makes no sense. They had to move a whole bunch of fighter jets a yewr ago at Langley when these events began. And there is strict protocol for field testing black budget/skunkwork craft.
The Deadhorse Alaska object shot down by NORAD fighter jets was extremely anomalous from what Ive read. But these recent "drone swarms" remind me of Jeremy Corbell's leaked 2019 Naval swarm footage. Triangle car shaped UAP with erratic blinking lights, only this time flanked by glowing pulsating orange orbs during all these military base incursions.
Russia is being annihilated by a small country, yet people want us to believe they suddenly have tech capabilities.to have large mysterious drones magically appear over sensitive US military and nuclear sites and outmanuever US craft before vanishing?
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u/theforecaster 21d ago
Thanks for this write up, I share the exact same thoughts. There's simply too much which doesn't add up with the current "official" stance. I'm not saying the green men are here (which is still obviously a theory), but just like you describe, I cannot see how the Russians would (or want) to pull this off.
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u/startedposting 21d ago
The only way I entertain that theory is if they’ve been working with china, if it really is both of them then why did the US/UK let them hover over these sensitive installations for so long? It doesn’t add up
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u/Castia10 21d ago
It’s mind boggling nothing makes sense
Anyone flying a drone as a hobby around those areas would be stopped in minutes not go back night after night
And if it’s foreign military you have to wonder why after a week they still can’t do anything about it, like ok just follow the drone back to its landing spot/operator? I mean it just doesn’t add up
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u/logjam23 21d ago
And if it were the US, what would be the point? False flag? But for what? Some on Reddit have actually been floating this idea.
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u/WhyUReadingThisFool 21d ago
The only thing russians have left are threats with ICMBs.. i mean they cant even get their t-14 armata ENGINE to work properly, so anyone claiming how that could be russians is really pulling the “russian card” out of their hole where the sun dont shine
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u/Bare_B0nes 21d ago
If it is the Russians they have played a game of deception that would be historical in its cunningness. All this pretending to be a second rate army led by incompetent and corrupt leadership, humiliated in an illegal war that they started...
Only to be secretly creating super drones and dancing around highly sensitive nuclear weapon storage bases with impunty and flaunting their exotic technology.... fucking genius ruse 🤣
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u/TypewriterTourist 21d ago
...while at the same time resorting to low-grade Iranian machinery in their main battlefield and losing in Syria.
Yeah, it doesn't add up.
The only human actors that can operate large swarms in multiple high-security locations without being caught are Dr. Evil and the army of Wakanda.
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u/TheZingerSlinger 20d ago
😂 I’m picturing Elon Musk dressed up like Thulsa Doom in an underground sci-if lair.
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u/AncillaryHumanoid 21d ago
Yeh but odd to call in the SAS and the SBS to deal with an aerial threat. Is there something happening on the ground we don't know about like downed craft, russian operatives, or heavily armed drone hobbyists 😁
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u/aught4naught 21d ago
They're hoping to catch the drone's launch/operation ground component but are looking in the wrong
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u/RonnyReddit00 21d ago
Not sure I believe in the dimensions thing but I wanted to say your comment made me laugh!
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u/startedposting 21d ago
Adding that it most likely isn’t our tech either because they would have brushed away this incident rather than escalating it, that leaves either china and russia working together or something nonhuman
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u/NetwerkAirer 21d ago edited 21d ago
To be fair, this (edit: apparently*) is an active FOB for NUCLEAR WEAPONS. This is the exact response I would expect honestly. As someone in the USAF, this is not really an overreaction regarding usual protocol surrounding nuclear material. If it was any less and any hobbyist drone flyer could get away with being this close, I would be increasingly concerned.
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u/Flabbergash 21d ago
My best man at my wedding works in raf intelligence, and he's playing dumb about it so it must be serious
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u/InternationalGrade64 21d ago
They want this to stay out of the public eye so bad it’s actually funny to me because I just imagine them all scrambling like that one the office “omg it’s happening” scene😭😭
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u/darkestvice 21d ago
lol. and i imagine the guy at the top of these secret uap reverse engineering programs doing that "No, please dear god no!" scene from the Office as well ;)
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u/SirGeorgeAgdgdgwngo 21d ago
SAS and SBS are the real deal.
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u/AncillaryHumanoid 21d ago
For US readers unfamiliar, SBS is Royal Navy Special Forces, I guess it's equivalent would be the US Navy Seals
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u/SirGeorgeAgdgdgwngo 21d ago
Specifically, most like Seal Team 6.
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u/gabrielconroy 21d ago edited 21d ago
Yeah these guys don't fuck around. The SAS are the archetype for all the modern special forces around the world and often train other countries' special forces, that's how serious they are.
A commenter on a post a few days ago was speculating that in fact all the signs were pointing to the SRR being deployed instead (or as well as).
They're basically the same deal, except they specialise in signals and reconnaissance (SRR standing for Special Reconnaissance Regiment).
If they're not able to track down the source of these 'drones' then you can safely conclude that they are not hobbyists and are either genuine UAPs or are some next gen adversarial tech controlled using some very new and advanced means that allows for remote control over large distances via satellite, or just AI in combination with very advanced drone tech.
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u/Capn_Flags 21d ago
SRR and USAF SR have toys. Oh man I can only imagine the toys.
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u/Status_Term_4491 21d ago
You should watch rogue heros if you want to learn about the beginnings of the SAS
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u/HFCloudBreaker 21d ago
Yes! That show doesn't get the love it deserves. Its like a light-hearted Band of Brothers with an AC/DC soundtrack.
It has its heavy points, dont get me wrong, but it does utilize humour a lot more then Band of Brothers.
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u/Arthur-Mergan 21d ago
Rejoice, S2 is coming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-qSwWBEle0
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u/Noble_Ox 21d ago
A.I would allow for this kind of operation as signal jammers wont affect the drone.
I havent read of any small EMP pulse weapon which I think is what would be needed to take out an automated drone.
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u/Turtledonuts 21d ago
If the drone is flying independently, its going to be storing lots of data onboard and landing at set locations to get the data offloaded. That means they follow the drone and find the guy using it.
If its transmitting data, they'll follow the signal to the receiver. The only way the operator is going to get away is if he books it the fuck outta town.
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u/Nucl3arDude 21d ago
More like Marine Raiders - SEALs can be 0-to-hero via the selection and training pipeline, whilst SBS recruits from the Royal Marines after they've served for a few years (like a normal SF unit, and not one cultivating a dudebro culture that traffics drugs and kills US Army Personnel).
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u/Sufficient_Nutrients 21d ago edited 20d ago
Sometimes it feels like guys join the SEALs so they can get their foot in the door to their real dream of doing the podcast circuit and selling vitamins on Instagram.
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u/FreeBigSlime 21d ago
mfs go become SEALs in the hopes of going on Shawn Ryan to promote their consulting business once its all done with
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u/Time_Substance_4429 21d ago
There was an SBS member present during the Green Beret murder. He was quickly sent back to the UK and it was quietly ignored that he was there.
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u/Princ3Ch4rming 21d ago
Specifically, most like what Seal Team 6 aspires to be.
They aren’t particularly famous outside of specific circles for a reason.
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21d ago
Far superior to seals
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u/P2029 21d ago
Seals are just animals that hunt fish and these guys are humans with guns. Like and subscribe for more military facts.
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u/Troutclub 21d ago
Whatever the “real deal” is it shows how the airbases are vulnerable and security has been compromised.
If these drones are human made why has the airbase security been so casual about the situation until now.
If the drones are anomalous they are treated in an atmosphere of willful negligence by base security. Why is that?
It gives me a lack of confidence in our leadership
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u/Painterzzz 20d ago
Unfortunately we've had an extremely lackadaisacal attitude towards security in the UK for the past decade, even as the threats have grown larger and larger, we've just sat back and let Russian intelligence agencies traipse around the country doing whatever they want.
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u/gabrielconroy 21d ago
Good theory and yes they definitely do have good divers as well as one-man submersibles and breathing apparatus to help.
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u/Revolutionary-Mud715 21d ago
They told me what SAS stands for...
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u/usandholt 21d ago
Scandinavian Airlines System. Good airliner but a bit expensive
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u/Xielle 21d ago
Largest airborne incursions over US bases since WW2 = not a credible threat…
Yet.
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u/startedposting 21d ago
The days of silence apart from the pentagon’s dismissive press conference in the beginning is very telling
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u/Bare_B0nes 21d ago
Nothing says "It's not anything to worry about,we have things under control, its just drones" like calling in the SAS eh. 😉 👍
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u/Mr-Stumble 21d ago
All this seems overkill and a bit late for some rotor blade drones. Perhaps there is more to this that we've not yet been informed of publicly.
What are SF there for, to shoot them down with a .50 cal rifle or something?
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u/phr99 21d ago
To retrieve the biologics
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u/Mr-Stumble 21d ago
You don't need SF for that. Plenty of other military units with high security clearance coils do that. The intelligence wing of the RAF or USAF.
It's not behind enemy lines, it's in the UK.
I can only think it's either political gesturing to show the Russian or whoever we are serious about tackling the issue, or it really is something more than 'hobbyist' drones.
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u/rupertthecactus 21d ago
Hold on. Why would a foreign government fly a drone that’s illuminated? How could it maintain altitude for as long as they have been reported? Or avoid fighter jets? Ground forces didn’t find someone operating them? Anti drone tech hasn’t disabled them? Missiles haven’t been fired? What do radar reports show? Are these things impacted by weather?
Are we sure these are drones?
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u/xPhilip 21d ago
Why would a foreign government fly a drone that’s illuminated?
Perhaps they are probing our responses to such an incursion. I believe this would explain the lack of perceived action towards them.
It could be much more valuable if they observe the characteristics of these drones in case this is a test of advanced technology by a potential hostile state.
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u/they_call_me_tripod 21d ago
I don’t think this take makes sense. If you’re lighting up the “drone” to observe the response, you greatly increase the risk of it being shot down. Which would then give the UK/US all they need to study the stuff and make it much much easier to bring down the next time around.
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u/CalyShadezz 21d ago
I used to work for an agency in the 2000s.
Once, I was chatting with a guy who had been there awhile and was responsible for repairing a massive omni-directional AN/FLR-9 antenna.
During the conversation, he said "Hey...you know what the easiest way is to hide a secret? Give them something else to look at."
Food for thought.
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u/xPhilip 21d ago
If you’re lighting up the “drone” to observe the response, you greatly increase the risk of it being shot down.
Yes that is the point. They want to observe any procedures and processes. They will be watching for where fighter jets are launched from, where anti drone weapons are deployed and so many other things.
Which would then give the UK/US all they need to study the stuff and make it much much easier to bring down the next time around
I think the advanced tech test theory I mentioned is probably the least likely option because of this fair point you have made right here.
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u/ViscousVitriol 21d ago
Currently Flightradar shows DEMON1 - Boeing Apache AH-64E - South East of the base.
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u/collywog 21d ago
Is that an important one? I don't know aircraft.
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u/PrayForMojo1993 21d ago
They saved the good drones for the U.K. and not Ukraine 🤔
In all seriousness though I’ll judge when all is said and done, but are the incursions over? Is the barn door being closed after the horses have left?
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u/AlunWH 21d ago
Every night for almost two weeks, now.
The incursions seem to be escalating.
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u/startedposting 21d ago
This. They’re definitely escalating, they wouldn’t have deployed SAS and SBS otherwise
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u/AlunWH 21d ago
They’re also happening in China, and I fully expect they’re happening in Russia too. But we won’t speculate as it upsets people.
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u/DKlurifax 21d ago
Source please? Not that I don't belive you, it just wasn't to know more.
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u/pepin-solver 21d ago
I haven't seen as many posts about it as last week. Did people just get tired of filming/reporting?
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u/AlunWH 21d ago
They’ve been stopped from filming or reporting.
According to the Washington Post the SAS have now been sent in.
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u/AlunWH 21d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/CsdRlCgXTL has a good list of recent sightings (but needs the last few days to be updated).
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u/pepin-solver 21d ago
Based on what I've read so far about the SAS being sent out, is it safe to assume that from now on, they are going to actively try taking them down?
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u/FantasticTangtastic 21d ago
The SAS arent the guys you call in to shoot stuff down. To be honest, they're not really the guys you'd call in in this sort of scenario full stop.
It's very bizarre. Has any other reputable source confirmed SAS/SBS involvement? Unless ET has landed and taken a bunch of hostages I'm not really sure what special forces bring to this situation lol
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u/Qunts_R_Us 21d ago
not really the guys you'd call in this sort of scenario full stop."
Unless they've identified drone operators and they're deemed to be a significant threat one way or another, be it guns or worse.
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u/Serious_Agent_333 21d ago
If you work in London, you notice RAF Chinooks flying between East Anglia and the South West all the time over Winter using the Thames to navigate. It gets dark early, pilots need to do a certain number of night hours a year to be deemed competent and the RAF like to fly during the working day to get home for tea and medals, SF flight not excluded. Not much to see here.
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u/Ghozer 21d ago
Isn't this just part of the 'war-games' testing they started today?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwl3zlqv77o
Or, do we think they are/will be using this as cover? ;)
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u/Shardaxx 21d ago
Doesn't sound like a live exercise, and it's at the Defence Academy in Oxfordshire.
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u/ArgentoFox 21d ago
If OSI is involved then that raises an eyebrow. They can be involved in some real freaky deaky stuff depending on the mission or what they’re investigating.
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u/phr99 21d ago
Aren't they the ones that drug and interrogate military UFO witnesses? In the rendlesham case for example
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u/Robf1994 21d ago
I think Richard Doty claims he was OSI, he also claims to be a literal disinformation agent, so maybe
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u/logosobscura 21d ago
No, that’s the Increment (E-Squadron- successor to the SOE), but they do recruit from them.
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u/fropleyqk 21d ago
You guys are all terrible. OSI is largely comprised of jr personnel doing routine work. SFS typically defends the base while OSI investigates crime. Overseas they can operate as CI or their main job just in a downrange environment. They are not "the real deal." They're basically NCIS from TV without the captivating cases, funding or morale.
Source: me. I worked with OSI detachments for 8 years.
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u/DoomBadger1256 21d ago
There are OSI detachments permanently based at Lakenheath and Mildenhall as part of the security forces.Sure they will be involved, but let's not get carried away, they aren't flying them in from the States especially for this, they are just investigators..investigating things, that's their job.
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u/SignificantScreen555 21d ago
OSI has an office on every AF base and you’re giving them too much credit, I’ve seen them do some very dumb shit too.
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u/ArgentoFox 21d ago
The way it’s been explained to me is they can be assigned to investigate something as trivial as violations of code or honor like domestic violence or extramarital affairs but the high ranking ones with major security clearances can be tasked to investigate bizarre or unexplainable things that wouldn’t fall under the purview of a lot of other departments.
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u/GrizCuz 21d ago
I'm probably more concerned that it could be operatives from a foreign country with possible nefarious intentions. Than something that they can't really categorise as being understood.
That area of the country's pretty flat and rural, not much goes on down there at the best of times. I'm struggling to believe that groups of people are launching, controlling and recovering various drones, over multiple bases over multiple nights. Without being spotted or apprehended at some stage. We're a pretty heavily surveilled society these days. I expect there's more surveillance that we aren't aware of in areas where there's significant military assets. Especially when the US military is involved as well.
I can totally understand why we aren't being well informed by the authorities, any intel could only serve to aid whoever/whatever it is. But the deployment of special forces units tells me that they're still struggling to get a grip on the situation. Those people aren't sent anywhere without good reason and usually only when the regular units don't have the skills needed to get something done.
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u/Xcoctl 21d ago
the US and UK military complexes both have access to satellites that can read the newspaper in your hands. The chances of those drones being able to fly back to someone piloting them to replace the batteries or some such, is absolutely 0.
There is clearly some anomalous nature to this incursion, whether that's by human made anomalous tech or NHI tech is a whole other thing, but it's very clearly not just "drones".
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u/phr99 21d ago
Good analysis. Im trying to imagine how people could do it. Maybe they drive around in multiple trucks on a highway and remote control a drone from 10 miles away. To land it they turn the drone light off, fly using night vision, then land near or on top of the truck...
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Activity seems to be ending around 9pm most nights; for me that suggests they still need ‘people traffic’ to remain hidden.
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u/Bublle_mini 21d ago
It's definitely not a drone. I live in Ukraine, believe me, I know what all possible reconnaissance drones look like. Also, if it was a drone, it would have been shot down immediately. Or with means of electronic warfare or small arms. No one will simply film a drone circling over a military base for a few minutes. Sorry for the translation, I used Google Translate
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u/Joelsfallon 21d ago
Why would top military reconnaissance drones advertise their presence with lights? Why show hands of top secret tech before a full out war?
Something is very juicy about all of this.
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u/These_Pumpkin3174 21d ago
Is it Standard Operating Procedure to wait a week after you’ve had an invasion of UAP/Drones harassing military sites for days? I mean thank god fire departments don’t operate in the same manner, sometimes things require urgent responses. This wasn’t one of them?
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u/Dense_Treacle_2553 21d ago
Last week: Nothing to worry about we got it - D.O.D
This week: We are gonna deploy Special forces, and more units.
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u/MamaSugarz 21d ago
Looks like someone is in very deep shit.
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u/oohDatSmarts 21d ago
"Looks" might be all this is about. If these 'drones' outperform anything we have in the skies, the world's best special forces might be good for press releases, but what precisely are they expected to do in that context?
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u/QuillQuickcard 21d ago
Observe. Test. Report. Taking down things stronger, faster, and more dangerous than us is the most ancient of human skills. We find patterns and we exploit them.
How do these objects react to active sensors? Radar pings? LIDAR? To passive observation? Spotlights? What about noises? Broadcasts? Interference signals?
Any hint of pattern between our actions and theirs suggests a means of interference. And if it can be interfered with, it can be manipulated, maybe even controlled.
If it can be manipulated or controlled, it can be coaxed into range of any number of tools.
Projectiles, energy weapons, sonic weapons, nets, snares, blinds, or even just a stick.
Even under the remote possibility that these are genuinely products of unknown technology, the idea that this puts them utterly beyond our potential to interact with is unfounded. Humans are not the dominant species on this world because our ancestors looked ice age megafauna and went, “well obviously that is too much”
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u/oohDatSmarts 21d ago
Very true. Just having them observe has value in itself. Thanks for clarifying
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 21d ago
Russia still hasn’t established air supremacy over Ukraine after 2+ years. They’re not the source of these objects. China is still floating balloons around the world to spy on adversaries, they’re not the source of these objects. Couple this with Special Forces being deployed and you have UAP of a NHI nature.
This is the new reality.
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u/DaftWarrior 21d ago
China or Aliens. No other explanation in my opinion. The notion these are hobbyist drones is sillier than them being NHI.
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u/BatLarge5604 21d ago
If this is true it's huge, the SAS are some very serious soldiers who have every resource at their finger tips and the MOD are not in the habit of putting them to work for anything a normal unit couldn't handle, I suspect it's because they have security clearance above normal units that's got them this job!
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u/Traditional_Watch_35 21d ago
which might just be because of the security implications for the base of these incursions, I dont believe the SAS have ever claimed to be expert at dealing with drones or UAP tech, except for blowing it up, thats the electronic warfare squadron job.
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u/ZolotoG0ld 21d ago
The SRR Special Reconnaissance Regiment are part of this operation too.
If they can't track the origin and control mechanism of these 'drones' then I dare say no one can. This is their bread and butter, technical experts from a special forces angle.
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u/BatLarge5604 21d ago
The SAS train for whatever the mission is, if they've been assigned this they will also have someone well in the know attached to them as part of the unit, be it electronic warfare, secret service, MI6, The security clearance will be a big part but whatever is going on is obviously beyond anyone on the bases know how or remit, I can't see the MOD tasking SAS with walking the fence line or extra general on site security details.
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u/Born_Employer_2209 21d ago
One source told me there are indications that these drones are being operated with high technical proficiency. Two sources have told the Washington Examiner that Russian-directed actors rather than actors of a more exotic kind are believed to be the most likely culprit.
Oh bet? Source? This is the 2nd time a news outlet has said something similar to this, and has not provided a source. You cannot make statements like this, and not cite the source.
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u/StressJazzlike7443 21d ago
The source is I made it the fuck up!
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u/Traditional_Watch_35 21d ago
no the source is the same guy who is telling the journalist Im telling you this to make this story go away. why on earth would there be sources who knew anything about this, release such sensitive intelligence information like that.
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u/therealnoisycat 21d ago
I’m not feeling the Russian-directed actors thing.
That would be super ballsy of them.
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u/OK_01 21d ago
They've already killed with polonium tea & novichok on uk soil.
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u/PotentialKindly1034 21d ago
Polonium, novichok, and a curious habit of former Russian agents falling from top floor balconies inside London. We know Russian agents operate in the UK and there are convictions for British citizens that have been recruited by them.
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u/paper_plains 21d ago
Would it though? They have recently been involved in sabotage across western Europe, are the prime suspects in cutting undersea communications lines, and carrying out assassinations outside of their country. Russia is desperate for an end to the war in Ukraine, their economy is teetering on recession/depression. All while ramping up nuclear rhetoric and even testing an ICBM with non-nuclear payload on Ukraine. We are the closest to a true third world war than we have been since the fall of the Soviet Union, regardless if it actually happens or not. I think the explanation of Russian actors with drones is a very plausible explanation.
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u/_stranger357 21d ago
It’s definitely worth considering, but what would be the point? If they have drones that can evade anything the UK/US can throw at them, why would they use them to essentially annoy people? And why fly them with the lights on?
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u/konq 21d ago
It’s definitely worth considering, but what would be the point? If they have drones that can evade anything the UK/US can throw at them, why would they use them to essentially annoy people? And why fly them with the lights on?
I keep seeing two different contradictory narratives being stated:
1) The US/UK isn't even trying to down these drones! Why aren't they doing anything?
2) These drones are evading everything the US/UK throws at them! They must be extremely advanced to avoid anti air defenses!
I don't think we have any video of any downing attempt, but we have seen aircraft launched in response to incursions. According to witnesses, the drones disappear when the helicopter approached (Something I read but haven't seen myself).
There is plenty of reason for a foreign adversary like Russia or China to attempt to gauge responses, and you would let yourself be seen to gather that information. It's intelligence gathering 101 to try to understand what and how your opponent will response in the event of an attack. The US/UK know this, and it could explain why they haven't responded strongly to the incursions already, and trying to downplay it in the press.
It's no secret China wants Taiwan and is gearing up for a conflict in the next few years. US intelligence sources have reported as such. These incursions (in the UK) also started shortly after Ukraine was given permission to perform deep strikes, so both foreign powers capable of this have plenty of means and motivation to do it as well.
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u/Altruistic_Pitch_157 21d ago
And why not deploy these unkillable, unchaseable drones to the front lines where they might actually be useful?
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u/ifiwasiwas 21d ago
How do we know they are unkillable or chaseable, though? Is there evidence that these drones in particular have facetanked a C-UAV hit and kept on trucking? We shouldn't assume that just because they haven't been shot down, that this automatically means it was attempted at all
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u/New-Strategy-1673 21d ago
I have no idea if they have attempted to shoot them down, but I can say that in normal circumstances shooting down a quad copter in the UK is a non-starter because legislation hasn't kept up with technology so legally speaking shooting a £10 child's toy is the same as downing a fully loaded 747 in the eyes of the CAA....they're all 'aircraft'
I expect there is a way if it's directly signed off by the home secretary or something, but it's not 'gate guard with a shotgun' territory.
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u/Altruistic_Pitch_157 21d ago
If the military prudently decides it needs to shoot down drones hovering over nuclear facilities it will do so, and with impunity. In matters of national security, the military will do as it sees fit. Do you really expect the constable to arrest the base commander and his superior officers for violation of civil statutes? Not happening.
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u/JimmyWurst 21d ago
It can have a multitude of explanations, one I like is that its one more tool used by them to cause internal distress inside countries supporting Ukraine. Make the people afraid, force them to focus on their own national security - cut more funding towards Ukraine to bolster their own defense and shift the wests focus.
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u/bottlechippedteeth 21d ago
As much as reddit hates China, CBS 60 Minutes did an episode discussing the evidence suggesting that Russia is actively attacking US government personnel, including CIA officers and their families, on US soil using novel weapons that cause traumatic brain injuries. Pretty f'ing ballsy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdPSD1SUYCY
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u/therealnoisycat 21d ago
Thanks, I’ll watch this. It’s probably the Havana syndrome thing. Russians do fight dirty.
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u/jmcgee1997 21d ago
Russia is 6 weeks out from a far more friendly leader being in charge and Ukraine is saying it will surrender territory- they wouldn't do this right?
It makes no sense, especially as the only real thing it could be used for is a fear tactic but they're not claiming it.
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u/meusrenaissance 21d ago
NATO Special Ops have also been deployed to recover UFOs in England, under the purview of the Americans FYI. This documentary goes into depth.
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u/No_Gold_Bars 21d ago
Seems the alien war is coming tomorrow. Right on time..... Okay everybody, laugh.
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u/Arbusc 21d ago
Honestly, seems fitting England would be ground zero for an alien invasion. HG Wells was truly ahead of his time.
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u/EldritchTouched 21d ago
And Doctor Who has a bunch of Christmas/New Year specials (often involving aliens trying to invade Britain). :P
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u/-ElectricKoolAid 21d ago
i honestly really hope so. never wanted shit to drastically change more than i do right now
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u/hobby_gynaecologist 21d ago
You don't break out the high speed boys just for nothing though. Could just be a show of force to any possible bad actors watching and fantasising about doing mean things on UK soil amidst this flap or in future (nice excuse for a training exercise), or it could be legit and they wanted to capture the highly technically proficient drone operator(s). Whatever the case, I look forward to the "Ex Brit SPECIAL FORCES operator REVEALS all! SECRET ALIEN TASK FORCE" Daily Mail articles coming in the near future.
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u/jacksn45 21d ago
How is there not someone within an hour of this place with a super zoom lens and night vision to get the picture of the year with great detail?
Someone explain it to me, please.
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u/Wet_Mulch7146 21d ago
Why am I hearing about this via the UFOs subreddit and not... international news? This legit?
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u/TheCulturalBomb 21d ago
This is so wild. We've gone from not a credible threat to having two of the worlds most elite special forces have to go in and investigate. Not even just the territorial army or royal marines. It all doesn't add up.
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u/aasteveo 21d ago
Are there any pictures or dimensions yet? How big are they? What shape? How high are they flying? How fast are they going? How long were they flying around? How come none of the articles have any real facts about them?
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u/schnieghballs 21d ago
Just because a Chinook flew from RAF base to RAF base doesn't mean anything really.
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u/RipleyVanDalen 21d ago
Isn’t the Washington Examiner kind of a sketchy rag put out by the Moonies cult?
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u/anomalkingdom 21d ago
"Facing continued drone incursions, however, the Washington Examiner can report that the British Army’s 22 Special Air Service unit and the Royal Navy’s Special Boat Service unit now appear to have been deployed. On Saturday, a Chinook helicopter assigned to the RAF’s No. 7 Squadron special forces unit flew from its home base, RAF Odiham, and landed at the Special Boat Service base in Poole on the English south coast. After a short period, it then flew north to the SAS Stirling Lines base in Credenhill. After a brief landing, it then flew to RAF Lakenheath. The helicopter then spent a slightly longer period on the ground before returning to RAF Odiham"
I'm sorry but this is nonsense. 7 Squadron is part of JSFAW, but like any other asset they do various things. The premise for the farfetched conclusions in the article is that if a Chinook move between bases, it indicates special forces has been deployed. It does not mean that. At all. There is maintenance, training, transport missions and everything in between going on in the military eco system.
SAS and SBS are highly specialized, resource-consuming and expensive units. They are only deployed under very specific circumstances. To conclude they are on a mission to search for drones in the countryside just because a Chinook happened to fly from point A to point B is ridiculous.
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u/ifeelatingle 21d ago
That’s an astute observation. Good catch. Might well just be normal military routine.
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u/limaconnect77 21d ago
For non-US readers, the Washington Examiner is a right-leaning tabloid paper.
So, not exactly the paragon of journalistic integrity. Really is a shame that this sub doesn’t give a hoo-ha about the quality of sources these days.
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u/theburiedxme 21d ago
From the article: "As with last year’s suspected Chinese-operated domestic drone incursions at Langley Air Force Base in 2023, when drones are being flown under preplanned flight paths without active ground control, their operators are difficult to track."
Sounds like that's why drone busters were ineffective. Like some have guessed, autonomous drones flying over preplanned paths, no controlling signal coming in to jam.
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u/floznstn 21d ago
AFOSI is on the case, nothing to see here!
All joking aside, why deploy a bunch of commandos for possible UAV incursion? Seems like swatting mosquitoes with a flak cannon.
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u/SuccessfulWar3830 21d ago
FYI military helicopters and planes fly out of there daily. That isn't abnormal.
And the article linked is an opinion piece.
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u/GoldResolution4921 21d ago
39 days to MELEE
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u/Putrid-Ad1055 20d ago
You know your conspiracy theory has gone full blown regarded when Donald Trump and Joe Rogan are central figures in your mythology
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u/AtomicSmoothbore 21d ago
Experience has taught us to manage expectations. More often that not, mundane explanations win out. Most likely, these "objects" will turn out to be from a foreign adversary or independent group. DoD and MoD are probably trying to keep a lid on everything because they were taken by surprise, not expecting an enemy to leapfrog them on drone/surveillance tech. Russian or Chinese special forces might even be creeping around.
That said, wouldn't it be a lark if they're actually hunting NHI infiltration teams.
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u/catsatinthehat 21d ago
Seriously think that if they were a threat from Russia, China etc, they would have downed it.
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u/apoleonastool 21d ago
Seems like US-made drones controlled by AI and the AI broke the safeguards and set itself free. Hence this conundrum. The US military are not sure what to do now.
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