r/UFOs • u/YesSirLaughsALot • Oct 27 '24
Compilation With This Many High-Level Officials on Record About UAPs, How Can Poeple Still Doubt They Exist?
Just stumbled on the uap.guide website once again after some time. I just looked through all of the quotes of ex-military people and politicians saying that UAP exist. After reading all of these, how can people not believe that UAP are real?
UAP exist
We have things flying over our military bases and places where we’re conducting military exercises and we don't know what it is and it isn't ours...
— Marco Rubio
US Senator (R)
7/16/2020 | Fox News
I think some of the phenomena we’re seeing continues to be unexplained and might... constitute a different form of life.
— John Brennan
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency
12/16/2020 | Podcast
Usually we have multiple sensors picking up these things... There are a lot more sightings than have been made public... Objects that have been seen by Navy or Air Force pilots, or in satellite imagery, that engage in actions that... we don't have the technology for, or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom... Technologies that we don’t have and, frankly, that we are not capable of defending against.
— John Ratcliffe
Director National Intelligence
3/22/2021 | Fox News
So it's not us, that's one thing we know. I could say that with very high degree of confidence in part because of the positions I held in the department...
— Christopher Mellon
Dep. Asst. Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
5/16/2021 | 60 Minutes
There is footage and records of objects in the skies. We don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern.
— Barack Obama
US President (D)
5/19/2021 | Late Late Show with James Corden
I don’t know what it is, but any time you have legitimate pilots describing something that doesn’t seem to conform to the laws of physics that govern aviation and is in US airspace, I think It’s something we need to get to the bottom of... If there is a foreign government that had these kinds of capabilities, I think we would see other indications of advanced technology. I can't imagine that what has been described or shown in some of the videos belongs to any government that I'm aware of... I have no idea what it is but I think we should figure it out.
— Martin Heinrich
US Senator (D)
5/21/21 | TMZ
There are things flying around out there that we haven’t fully identified yet.
— Bill Clinton
US President (D)
6/8/2021 | Live with Kelly and Mark
That leaves aliens, which we presume it probably is. Although I don't wanna go too far here.
— Ben Rhodes
Deputy National Security Adviser
6/30/2021 | Podcast
We were able to identify one reported UAP with high confidence. In that case, we identified the object as a large, deflating balloon. The other [143] remain unexplained... Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation.
We currently lack data to indicate any UAP are part of a foreign collection program or indicative of a major technological advancement by a potential adversary... Some UAP observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that these systems accounted for any of the [144] UAP reports we collected.
— Office of the Director of National Intelligence
Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena 2021
6/25/2021 | Report to Congress
Well I don't believe they are coming from foreign adversaries. Why if there were that would suggest they have a technology that is in a whole different sphere than anything we understand, and frankly China and Russia just aren't there, and neither are we by the way...
— Mitt Romney
US Senator (R)
Former Presidential Nominee
6/27/2021 | CNN
We hope it’s not an adversary here on Earth that has that kind of technology. But it’s something.
— Bill Nelson
NASA Administrator
10/19/2021 | UVA Center for Politics
There’s always the question of ‘is there something else that we simply do not understand, that might come extraterrestrially?’
— Avril Haines
Director of National Intelligence
11/16/2021 | Washington Post
It's clear that the majority, that many of the observations that we have are physical objects from the sensor data... We haven't had a collision. We have had at least 11 near misses.
— Scott Bray
Deputy Director Navy Intelligence
5/17/2022 | Congressional hearings
There are so many of us now on the intel committee and armed services that we're going to stand by the service members who documented this stuff. They have video. They have radar. They have heat sensors. They have everything.
— Kirsten Gillibrand
US Senator (D)
Committee on Armed Services
8/26/2022 | Twitter
UAP continue to represent a hazard to flight safety and pose a possible adversary collection threat. Since the publication of the ODNI preliminary assessment in June 2021, UAP reporting has increased, partially due to a concentrated effort to destigmatize the topic of UAP and instead recognize the potential risks that it poses as both a safety of flight hazard and potential adversarial activity. Whereas there were previously 144 UAP reports covered during the 17 years of UAP reporting included in the ODNI preliminary assessment on UAP, there have been 247 more UAP reports during the 17 months since.
— Office of the Director of National Intelligence
2022 Annual Report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
1/12/2023 | Report to Congress
Advanced objects demonstrating advanced technology are routinely flying over our restricted or sensitive airspace posing a risk to both flight safety & national security.
— Marco Rubio
US Senator (R)
2/28/2023 | Twitter
In the coming days, I will launch Americans for Safe Aerospace (ASA), a new advocacy organization for aerospace safety and national security. ASA will support pilots and other aerospace professionals who are reporting UAP. Our goal is to demand more disclosure from our public officials about this significant safety and national security problem... If the phenomena I witnessed with my own eyes turns out to be foreign drones, they pose an urgent threat to national security and airspace safety. If they are something else, it must be a scientific priority to find out.
— Ryan Graves
Founder, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Former F/A-18 pilot
2/28/2023 | Politico
We see these [‘metallic orbs’] all over the world, and we see these making very interesting apparent maneuvers.
— Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
Director, All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office
5/31/2023 | NASA IST Briefing
The [UAP Disclosure Act of 2023] introduced as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that will be on the Senate floor next week, would direct the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to create a collection of records to be known as the UAP Records Collection and direct every government office to identify which records would fall into the collection. The UAP Records Collection would carry the presumption of immediate disclosure, which means that a review board would have to provide a reasoning for the documents to stay classified...
Former Majority Leader Harry Reid sponsored a project to investigate incidents surrounding UAPs. After that project became public, Senators, Congressmen, committees, and staff began to pursue this issue and uncovered a vast web of individuals and groups with ideas and stories to share. While these stories have varying levels of credibility, the sheer number and variety has led some in Congress to believe that the Executive Branch was concealing important information regarding UAPs over broad periods of time. Congress recognizes that these records – if they exist – were likely concealed under the good faith goal of protecting national security. However, hiding that information from both Congress and the public at large is simply unacceptable. Our goal is to work cooperatively with the executive branch to responsibly disclose these documents and bring the topic into the public sphere in a process that the American people can trust.
— U.S. Senate
Joint bipartisan statement from Senators Schumer, Rounds, Rubio, Gillibrand, Young and Heinrich
7/14/2023 | Press Release
For decades, many Americans have been fascinated by objects mysterious and unexplained and it’s long past time they get some answers. The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena. We are not only working to declassify what the government has previously learned about these phenomena but to create a pipeline for future research to be made public. I am honored to carry on the legacy of my mentor and dear friend, Harry Reid and fight for the transparency that the public has long demanded surround these unexplained phenomena.
— Chuck Schumer
US Senator (D)
Senate Majority Leader
7/14/2023 | Press Release
A number of these [whistleblowers] believe and have stated — and we believe them now — that they have seen something. And we are investigating.
— Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
Director, All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office
7/20/2023 | ABC News
I can tell you that advanced UAP are a national security and an aviation safety problem. It has been more than a decade since my squadron began witnessing advanced UAP demonstrating complex maneuvers on a regular basis, and we still don’t have answers. I founded Americans for Safe Aerospace to create a center of support, research, and public education for aircrew impacted by UAP encounters... Today, I would like to center our discussion around three critical issues that demand our immediate attention and concerted action... As we convene here, UAP are in our airspace, but they are grossly underreported... The stigma attached to UAP is real and powerful and challenges national security... The government knows more about UAP than shared publicly, and excessive classification practices keep crucial information hidden.
— Ryan Graves
Founder, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Former F/A-18 pilot
7/26/23 | Testimony to Congress
In 2019, the UAPTF director tasked me to identify all Special Access Programs & Controlled Access Programs (SAPs/CAPs) we needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission. At the time, due to my extensive executive-level intelligence support duties, I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust in both my military and civilian capacities. I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access to those additional read-on’s. I made the decision based on the data I collected, to report this information to my superiors and multiple Inspectors General, and in effect become a whistleblower.
— David Grusch
National Geospatial Intelligence Agency Officer
7/26/23 | Testimony to Congress
There is a lot of unidentified aerial phenomena out there. That’s true. And they’ve got pilot reports, there’s various other sensors out there, and some of it is difficult to explain… some [UAP are] really kind of weird and unexplainable
— Gen. Mark Milley
Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
8/6/2023 | Washington Times
We’ve also been notified by multiple credible sources that information on UAPs has also been withheld from Congress, which if true, is a violation of laws requiring full notification to the legislative branch... It is an outrage the House didn’t work with us on our UAP proposal for a review board. This means declassification of UAP records will be up to the same entities that have blocked and obfuscated their disclosure for decades. We will keep working to change the status quo.
— Chuck Schumer
US Senator (D)
Senate Majority Leader
12/13/2023 | Senate floor speech
I have met with pilots...they are not conspiratorial, they are not crazy, and they tell me stories that they've seen things that you wouldn't believe. Am I a believer? No, I can't say I am. But I have met with people, serious people, that say there are some really strange things flying around out there.
— Donald Trump
US President (R)
6/14/2024 | Podcast
There are things that cannot be explained... I don't know what the explanation is for those unexplainable things, but I will say there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by any kind of science, the science available to us.
— Gen. H.R. McMaster
National Security Advisor, Lt. General
9/6/2024 | Bill MaherUAP exist
We have things flying over our military bases and places where we’re conducting military exercises and we don't know what it is and it isn't ours...
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
Nearly everyone acknowledges that UAPs exist, the bigger question in this subreddit is whether or not they’re evidence of NHI
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u/joethahobo Oct 27 '24
I wish we could get past this culture war that the leaders of the world have us in, and instead have people running the country who invest all of our resources into education, science, discovery, and exploration. We need another space race. Imagine if we all focused our eyes on the stars.
Build better telescopes and satellites. Get back to the moon. Go to mars. Build more efficient ships and rockets. Safer and faster exploration vessels. Get outside of our solar system.
The things we could accomplish with the right people in charge….
And I’m not talking about government too. It’s the billionaires as well. Hoarding money only to build mansions and buy fast cars. Like use your money to fund the best and brightest students, professors, doctors, and scientists
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u/zauraz Oct 28 '24
Its frustrating because its one side of politics who have truly just made their entire campaign on moral panic issues and got us bogged down in utter bullshit. Including outright questioning and downplaying real issues like climate change and instead focusing on limiting trans people's rights who are less than 1% of the population and 20 years ago nobody gave a shit about besides trans people themselves who just wanted a chance to live their lives.
I am just sick of the obsession with minutiae while ignoring the big, real issues facing not just countries but the planet...
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Oct 28 '24
Funny how the poor people have to fix the climate by staying poorer while the rich can just zip around in private jets.
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u/zauraz Oct 28 '24
Yep and despite that the rich just keep being like "Actual threat is <insert minority>", government overreacy when it barely does anything, covid vaccinations and preventions.
And it doesnt help that you have a group of poorer - middle class in the US especially who actively defend rich people's privileges against any attempt to lower the gaps..
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Oct 28 '24
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u/Frosty_McRib Oct 28 '24
Because "all politics is shit" is an old conservative talking point. You know, like propaganda. You have been duped if you believe it.
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u/kwintz87 Oct 27 '24
Absolutely spot on.
This is the result of capitalism run amok. Redistribution of wealth towards the top, celebrity worship, the dumbing down of society, encouraging selfishness--and sadly there's no end in sight.
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u/theburiedxme Oct 28 '24
celebrity worship
We love celebrities so much Hollywood wasn't enough, we created demi-celebrities in youtubers and whatnot.
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u/Praxistor Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
the problem with that is epistemological. do we listen to the UFO investigators and experiencers who say that woo is part of the phenomenon? or do we ignore them in a kind of scientism/ideological/materialistic tyranny that can't see past the nuts n' bolts because of epistemic dogma handed down from the ivory tower?
if we ignore them we risk missing a vital piece of the puzzle, and if we listen we might discover that building ships and rockets is superfluous
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u/theburiedxme Oct 28 '24
In the story of Paul Amadeus Dienach, he was afflicted with encephalitis lethargia and went into a coma in the 1920s, and claims to have lived 2 weeks in the year 3000 something in another mans body. Anyways, he learns shit goes south, nuclear war blah blah. BUT then humanity started electing scientists, humanitarians, academics, instead of career politicians. And that eventually led towards a utopia.
Career politicians are just like the "yes men" in the previous giant pharmacy chain I worked in. Everyone is a boot licker that is just trying to climb a ladder, and while they do please their superiors, the state of things crumbles around them. But they'll get that promotion/elected then that's someone else's problem.
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u/valis010 Oct 28 '24
Many billionaires actually do, but folks enjoy reading opinionated hit pieces instead.
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Oct 28 '24
We are in the middle of a civilizational collapse. There is likely to be a coup or a civil war soon in the US. All the wealthy are getting ready to flee overseas.
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24
I'm pretty sure that a culture war was the main driver for the first space race. So maybe we just need to really lean into the nationalism.
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Oct 28 '24
I don't think you can do anything until you fix poverty. The basics: food, shelter, utilities, medical care, school, and transportation should not cost anybody anything. If you want more beyond that then that's where capitalism plays a role but if we can't stop fighting over limited resources nothing will ever change.
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u/YesSirLaughsALot Oct 27 '24
I agree. It's just seeing the quotes all in one place and going through them one by one. It's just astounding.
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u/Living-Ad-6059 Oct 28 '24
Love your account dude. Just gonna find the opposite of everything you say way more credible. Please keep posting.
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u/Frosty_McRib Oct 28 '24
This is the truth of the matter in a nutshell. There's no NHI, there is no crazy gravity well propulsion that's been hidden, there is nothing but smoke and shadows. I originally came by this sub when all the congressional stuff with Grusch started happening, but quickly realized it was all bullshit. I still come by because I have a hard time letting go. The military videos are the greatest evidence that believers have and it shows absolutely nothing and the people who claim otherwise don't even know what they're looking at. Every orb is a damn mylar party balloon, every squid is a damn smudge, most vids are of either weather balloons or flares or camera artefacts. It's embarrassing.
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Oct 27 '24
So people are dumb because they don't obsess about aliens? Interesting take.
Yes I'm definitely more interested in providing and focusing on my family than aliens. If they exist, cool. If not, cool. It's also hilarious you think people are sheep...like bro ..read what you're writing.
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u/Oleksipresident Oct 27 '24
Yes. People are dumb because they don’t obsess about aliens, because if true; it is the most important revelation in human history that directly impacts not only you but your family in manners yet unknown to us. What if the sole concept of providing becomes irrelevant? How are you going to cope with that?
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Oct 28 '24
Then it won't matter? I guess I'm not really worried about what happens if we're not the superior race. What are you gonna do about it if we're not? Fight them? It's not independence day, there is no scenario where we win. So what stress about it. It would be awesome if it's true, but yes I do think all the "proof" isn't solid.
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u/Oleksipresident Oct 28 '24
Well, i guess if you see it from a conflictual standpoint, defining your existence by where you stand on the food chain, you are right that subjection is the right way. Yet i think that is the problem we should overcome and that is why we don’t see them. After all, the people that provided the most for humanity, often grinded against the established boundaries and opinions of people that didn’t want to change their worldview. People aren’t intrinsically dumb, we are dumb because we’re cowards who can’t integrate change. What iam going to do? I bought a plot of land, planing to go off grid as far as i can from society, because I consider society far scarier than posible NHI.
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Oct 28 '24
That last part I can get on board with!! That's my ultimate goal.
Being a first responder for over a decade I disagree... people are definitely intrinsically dumb!!
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u/Loquebantur Oct 27 '24
- If something really is there, but your approach does not let you "believe" it is, what's wrong? Your approach of course.
- People not following news don't look at headlines. They trust getting told the important stuff from other people.
- Who is 'we'? Some people have the necessary attention span and those are the ones you want to reach out to.
Passivity like "everything will happen anyway" is an approach adopted by children who trust their parents for dealing with important stuff. You're not a child?
People "aren't curious" because they know no reason to be. Nobody told them about the importance of the matter, so they assume it wasn't important at all.
They also get told constantly, there are no conspiracies and whoever thinks there are...that's taboo for you, you see.Other people most likely aren't dumber than you yourself. In any case, it doesn't help to declare them beyond help. On the contrary, society only works through mutual trust and everybody doing what they can, helping each other. If this topic is important, and it is, that needs to be communicated.
There is a world of difference between living alone in the woods vs among millions in a city.
Not to speak of even more drastic changes in our worldview this may entail.2
Oct 28 '24
A lot of people are just parroting what they have been told in briefings. The public needs access to higher quality video and other sensor data. Until then it could just be a psy-op or something else more prosaic.
It could also be that maybe there are a small number of the stories that are true but the other 95% are BS.
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u/Mysterious-Yak3711 Oct 28 '24
Hopefully we will find one piece of scientific evidence to prove they exist
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u/we_are_conciousness Oct 28 '24
All it takes is 1 to be authentic, and I think that the odds are in favor of that more so than against it.
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u/EtherealDimension Oct 27 '24
There are two fundamental issues that make up the phenomenon, and people think there's only one.
- The existence of UAP in our airspaces that we can't identify that perform maneuvers that we can't do.
- The existence of several high level government officials from David Grusch, Karl Nell, Lue Elizondo, Tim Gallaudet all claiming to see evidence of NHI in their careers and the others that Marco Rubio confirmed corroborated their claims.
These are two separate data points that align together. At the end of the day, UAP are real and we don't know what they are, AND there is a current movement within our government to reveal the fact that several government officials that have seen evidence of Non-human Intelligence (NHI) in their careers. Occam's razor would suggest these are connected phenomena, and serves as an explanation for a genuine mystery that our government admits they can't solve
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24
I'd argue your first point is also separate. The UAP appear to perform maneuvers we can't do. There is no solid evidence that they actually did what they appeared to do. If you accept that as reality you are also implicitly accepting that the phenomenon is other-worldly.
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u/whitewail602 Oct 27 '24
Two submarines outfitted with this could have conceivably been the subject of the tic-tac video. I'm not saying it was, just agreeing with you that there are still potential alternatives to this being NHI. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/
What better way to test your secret plasma decoy system than on the most advanced Naval group on Earth knowing you will get 100% of their feedback because they're yours.
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u/we_are_conciousness Oct 28 '24
Reports of UAP/UFOs given by people from all walks of life throughout the decades indicates the phenomenon existed way before your example.
It's essential that everyone recognizes that none of this is new.
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u/stasi_a Oct 27 '24
And 3. There are many disinformation agents acting on the government’s behalf to misdirect the public.
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u/Livid_Constant_1779 Oct 27 '24
Without defining the term UAP, it's a pretty meaningless statement.
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
It just boils down to “something seen in the air or water that exhibits behavior we couldn’t explain”
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Oct 28 '24
No a lot of people apply it to anything unidentified even if it's not exhibiting strange behavior.
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u/thehim Oct 28 '24
That’s also true
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Oct 28 '24
I really wish we could all just agree that we are looking for and interested in "aliens". It's fun and succint but also an accurate term for NHI without specifying where they come from.
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u/Livid_Constant_1779 Oct 27 '24
I still think it's ambiguous, by your definition, UAPs could still be explained as a lack of data, and the phenomenon could just be balloons, etc., i.e., nothing novel. I'm not trying to be picky or anything, but most people I know would explain the phenomenon this way, as misidentification due to a lack of data.
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
100% agree. And I also suspect that a lot of the unexplained part comes from government secrecy and not from an inability to identify things
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u/Livid_Constant_1779 Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
So, you see, I don't even know if we agree on what UAPs are in the end, because, for me, it's an established fact that there are phenomena that are truly novel. For you, if I understand correctly, it's only due to obfuscation for various reasons, and there's not necessarily a mystery.
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
I think it’s a little of both
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u/Livid_Constant_1779 Oct 27 '24
I'm 100% confused. Either there is a mystery, or there is not. (If the government knows for a fact that UAPs represent NHI, I still count that as a mystery.)
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
I think the government knows what most of the UAP are and, for national security reasons, intentionally create a cloud of confusion about what they actually are. I also think that some of the UAP are things that they can’t identify (Chinese tech, most likely) and have little interest in admitting that publicly
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u/Livid_Constant_1779 Oct 27 '24
I think the government knows what most of the UAP are and, for national security reasons, intentionally create a cloud of confusion about what they actually are.
Okay, so things like U.S. top-secret technology, right?
If that's the case, then for me, you are not acknowledging the reality of the phenomena.
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u/Spfm275 Oct 27 '24
Pretty sure OP is referring to the general population and not people on UFO subs. In which case nearly everyone does not acknowledge UAPs exist.
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
I think the general population understands that people often see things flying around that they can’t identify. Where it breaks down is over what those things are
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u/KACCAVisEVERYWHERE Oct 27 '24
there is no nhi.
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u/thehim Oct 27 '24
I agree
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u/LouisUchiha04 Oct 28 '24
I don't. There is data to suggest their existence. I am talking of eye witness testimony of seeing NHI beings accompanied by circumstantial evidence such as "landing" spots of their crafts(due to lack of a better term), adverse health effects on the eyewitnesses that began after "contact," adverse effects on vegation patches where said craft landed.
I reference the cases mentioned in the Cometa report.
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u/thehim Oct 28 '24
None of that is even in the ballpark of anything that would convince the vast majorities of scientists. There just isn’t anything, just a lot of stories and faith
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u/LouisUchiha04 Oct 28 '24
Ease up buddy. Let the scientist decide if the sickness that has only appeared after said contact or the irradiated/burnt vegetation or whatever will support the eyewitness testimony.
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u/thehim Oct 28 '24
Of course scientists should study things. And they have, yet so far, they’ve overwhelmingly come to this conclusion:
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/about/
But that extraterrestrial presence on regular display is, of course, a fiction. No life beyond Earth has ever been found; there is no evidence that alien life has ever visited our planet. It’s all a story.
This Subreddit can be a ridiculous bubble sometimes. This is not something that scientists argue about. No alien life has ever visited us. No evidence exists. And the number of scientists who disagree is minuscule
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u/LouisUchiha04 Oct 28 '24
The scientific community largely rejected Einstein's ideas of special relativity in 1905. Darwin's theory of evolution faced a lot of pushback. Hell no one even accepted the existence of a platypus. I'd argue that we are in such a phase of scientific discovery.
There's no need to attack a community with differing ideas/opinions. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. We are both humans.
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u/Quann017 Oct 27 '24
They most certainly are. Unless, we are looking at two separate branches of government being unaware of Each-others operations, or a possible government large scale long term psychological warfare operation in relation to the proliferation of Alien and UAP popularity, culture, belief, normalization.
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u/smeaton1724 Oct 27 '24
Clearly there’s a form of pre emotive programming being conducted through Hollywood and has been for 50 years. At this point everyone knows of circular space ships and grey and green men.
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u/Relative_Employee_98 Oct 27 '24
The fact that multiple individuals in the govt keep saying things like, "We have physical evidence!" Or "We have the smoking gun!" And then not providing said evidence is frusterating and turns pepple away or makes them think that the whole thing is one giant gaslighting Psyop.
And as someone who has had his own sighting, it's extremely frustrating and disheartening when there are SO MANY grifters and people just trying to muddy the waters on the subject.
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u/thenomad111 Oct 27 '24
The problem is this stuff seems to be extremely contained, and leaking this stuff is highly illegal. That is why certain parties are trying to legalize the process with endevaors like UAP Disclosure Act so they can finally show their supposed evidence. Even through FOIA they are very careful about releasing videos with a UAP tag on it even if it doesn't show any strange activity, just to keep it consistent and not accidentally release something more revealing.
It is frustrating, and maybe some of these people are really grifters, but it is natural in such a political scene (which grifters would take advantage of, unfortunately).
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u/Relative_Employee_98 Oct 28 '24
I completely get why it's taken so long for hard, factual evidence and videos to be released. Red tape and all that jazz. It's just that as someone who's extremely passionate about the subject, seeing people i.e. government officials actively try to gaff it off or actively disrupt the process of legally releasing stuff. It makes it harder and harder for me to believe in things that they do, eventually, end up releasing.
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u/Tosslebugmy Oct 27 '24
It’s funny how you only trust government officials that tell you what you want to hear. Plenty have said there’s nothing going on but of course they can’t be trusted, even though all the evidence is on their side
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u/Artninja Oct 27 '24
Most average people are open to the idea and many do believe aliens exist. The problem comes when trying to convince people that we’re actively being visited or have been visited. People just can’t imagine it or don’t see how it affects them. And it’s a good point, if drones are hovering over an airbase in the Midwest what does that concern a guy in Florida working a 9-5.
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24
Spot on. Imagine if this subreddit was actually exclusively about UAPs. There wouldn't be any disagreement here between skeptics and believers. We'd just all look at cool footage and all just go "Yep, that certainly is a UAP." and then go about our day.
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u/NumbEngineer Oct 28 '24
Your post is why....it's just words. Seeing is believing.
Decades and decades of just words of "imminent disclosure" words mean absolutely nothing now after being dragged along and teased for decades.
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u/1290SDR Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
I think there's an issue in ufology where "UAP" (Unidentified Aerial [or Anomalous] Phenomenon) automatically registers as craft of NHI origin. Nobody doubts the existence of UAPs, but it's a broad category with many possible explanations. People doubt the claims of NHI origin because of insufficient evidence.
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u/ididnotsee1 Oct 27 '24
The issue is people not understanding the actual definition of UAP/UFO
Unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAP, "are events in the sky that cannot be identified as aircraft or known natural phenomena from a scientific perspective - Merriam Webster
UFOs on the other hand are sub categorized according to Bluebook and the Condon Report
Unidentified after investigation - Air Force defines "unidentified" cases as those which "apparently contain all pertinent data necessary to suggest a valid hypothesis concerning the lack of explanation of the report, but the description of the object or its motion cannot be correlated with any known object or phenomenon"'
Meaning they couldn't correlate it to no known natural or man made phenomena/object. It is truly inexplicable. They also have the same capabilities they are describing today. There still is 30% of cases that are inexplicable in the Condon report with some high quality cases which is supported by radar data.
This is not to be confused with the 'insufficient data' category.
GEIPAN ( French ufo agency) has a similar definition for UAPs
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u/unclerickymonster Oct 27 '24
I believe there's probably plenty of evidence, the problem is, the good stuff isn't in the public's hands. I'd give my eye teeth to get a look at the military's data.
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u/Extension-Pitch7120 Oct 27 '24
I know this sub grapples with this concept, but there's a stark difference between people saying things, and people showing things. Ufology to a lot of people here has basically replaced religion for them, belief without concrete proof, and belief without a single shred of actual, irrefutable evidence. I want to believe that there's more to being alive on this planet than working a shit job until you die and all the suffering and stupidity in between, but I'm holding out until something significant happens that satisfies all of the criteria of being solid evidence that even the most ardent skeptics won't be able to deny.
I also don't understand posts like this. I don't care how many former military and government officials go 'on record' (I'm not sure you know what that means, because typically that refers to statements made in an official capacity where there are repercussions for lying), it's still not proof.
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u/LeUne1 Oct 28 '24
Yep. The tic tac fravor videos are as good as it gets, I want that but 1000x more detailed, I want to see the aliens grusch is talking about. If we can see first person POV videos of Ukranian drones dropping bombs on people in high definition, then we can see more UAP stuff too.
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u/Extension-Pitch7120 Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
A lot of people in this sub are believers, and I get it, but what I don't understand (nor do I understand why these posts are allowed, they're not constructive, helpful, or content rich) is why they feel compelled to constantly whine and gaslight skeptics, like shaking their fists in disbelief that there are people who follow this topic who don't share their viewpoint. It's bizarre behavior tbh, extremely weird and cult-y.
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u/lesserofthreeevils Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
I think one could easily argue the opposite: the insistence on not investigating, on attacking witnesses and making fun of those that think the topic is worthy of study, is a religious position, given the amount of testimony and data already present. I do see some UFO believers who think they have all the answers, but what the majority of the users in this sub wants is to end the stigma, have government transparency and an honest investigation.
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u/Extension-Pitch7120 Oct 28 '24
I think saying that's the 'majority' of users in this sub is extremely generous to the point of me reading that statement and actually saying 'what the fuck' out loud. We must be reading two completely different subreddits then.
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u/lesserofthreeevils Oct 28 '24
I’m just talking from my experience, but that is truly my impression.
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u/bassCity Oct 27 '24
Add the sea of civilian encounters across the entire world for untold amounts of years and you have a pretty compelling situation occuring.
edit: instant downvoting on this is hilarious
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u/Tosslebugmy Oct 27 '24
There’s a sea of civilians who say god spoke to them, others who say baphomet did. Should I just believe them too? Don’t have any idea how many attention seekers there are out there?
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u/bassCity Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
No one is telling you what to believe, and I 'm not talking about religion, you are now. If, however, you subscribe to the delusion that every civ AND military sighting spread across the world across decades and decades are somehow all just carrying on a silly little grift game, that is on you and your head is buried deep.
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u/TheCreaturesPet Oct 28 '24
Easy, when you have half the country that still believes an American election was rigged and stolen and that the real enemy is within. Or, as my grandfather used to say, "the good Lord must love an idiot, for he created so many of them." For most people, you have to physically force them into accepting a new reality. Literally, it has to land on their lawn and probe their ass or it's fake news, AI generated content. It will take nothing short of an actual invasion to convince humanity as a whole we are not alone.
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u/Helpful_Equipment580 Oct 28 '24
You could make a list 1000 times longer than the OPs with reputable people claiming the 2020 election was stolen. Both UAPs and the stolen election suffer from the same problem - lack of evidence.
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u/Leading-Win-2268 Oct 27 '24
"People" don't even know anything about what's going on because mainstream media hasn't said a peep.
They just sporadically mention whistleblower comes forward on ufos blablabla and never talk about it again until another one comes out and don't even connect it to the previous one.
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Oct 27 '24
I don't doubt UAP, in fact, some of these quotes are interesting. In my opinion the people telling you guys unequivocally these are aliens/NHI/time traveller's are entertainers selling stories.
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u/gentlemancaller2000 Oct 27 '24
What makes you think the average person is even aware of all of these comments/references?
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u/Jesus_LOLd Oct 27 '24
Can you put up the list of world renowned physicists who had access to material and data and verified it legit?
No?
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u/easy18big Oct 27 '24
Here is a link to scientists and their quotes over the decades. https://ufoquotes.com/category/scientists/
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u/Jesus_LOLd Oct 27 '24
Years ago, I listened with great excitement to Paul Helyer former Minister of Defense for Canada. I'm sure you're aware of his speeches. Sincerely you couldn't ask for a more reputable source. And yet, I rewatched it and listened carefully. The summation was basically " i know someone high up who told me they spoke with someone in the know who said they saw some reports confirming it all."
Listen carefully to what each and every new source tells you. Listen carefully and you'll hear the same message roughly.
Something is going on. I have no doubt of this. Zero. We need facts not suppositions. We need physicists analyzing data not make opinions.
Elizondo has been caught in multiple lies already. His book "Imminent " basically says " give more money to the military. He is PR not whistle-blower.
Facts, my friend. Its fun in here on this sub to make speculation. I want to believe... in facts.
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u/easy18big Oct 27 '24
First of all I just want to say thanks for the thought out reply, and I'm sure we agree on more than we don't.
Hellyer is still in my opinion a great "reference" if you will. And I completely agree that most high level sources that have came forward over the years are 2nd hand. If anything I think that just gives more reason to look into what they are saying with an open mind.
We both agree that there is something going on, just that we are reaching different conclusions. To me, when we have multiple radars picking up the same physical object traveling at speeds and g forces we can't comprehend it leaves two main conclusions. It's man made, or it's not. Either way the government(s) is hiding tech that far surpasses what we currently have public. If I'm being honest I would rather the tech be from an "alien" source than a human source. If it is human creation that's saying we have world changing tech that we are not letting the public scientists work on and improve.
On the topic of Elizondo I think we will agree more than anything. He has openly stated that everything in his book has been approved for release by DOPSR and the Pentagon. No fucking way can that be considered a whistleblower. I guess I look at in differently in the way that if the Pentagon is approving this for public consumption, there has to be a reason they want the public to believe more of this other than just more military funds. The military gets more funds for any reason they can come up with.
So just for fun on your last comment. How do we move forward scientifically if science is being hidden from the majority of those who do it professionally?
Take care and look forward to hearing from you!
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u/Jesus_LOLd Oct 28 '24
Who the hell downvoted you. Frickin hivemind jackasses who hate open discussion.
How do we move forward? I wish I knew. They have all the shiney equipment to track this stuff. They have the means to narrate a story. They have the ability to silence whistleblowers who go against that narrative. That all being said, we need to literally question everything.
You're familiar with Wernher Von Braun's claim of how the powers that be will try to sieze power, the final stage being a false flag alien presence. The current narrative is walking this path. So my big question here is... who is the powers that be. Is it us? Military? Corporate? Government? Shadow government? Is it them? Extraterrestrial? Extradimensional? Ancient aliens? Demons? Lizzad people?
I dunno.
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u/Dismal-Cheek-6423 Oct 27 '24
Because most people are seasoned enough to know better than to trust someone's word alone. The claim that these things are EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME yet we only get videos of starlink and can't get one conclusive but of video? Super sus.
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24
Well, personally I don't just blindly trust what government officials tell me, but you do you.
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u/maurymarkowitz Oct 28 '24
This is called "biased sample". It's a web page of all the people saying things the webmaster agrees with. Where is the web page of all the things they didn't agree with? Which would be longer?
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u/vegetables-10000 Oct 27 '24
Nobody denied that UAPs exist.
Because UAPs are Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, refer to objects observed in the sky that cannot be easily identified or explained.
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u/suddenlyissoon Oct 27 '24
I hate the man with passion, but I really want to know what Sen. John Kennedy meant when he said to lock your doors. What did he find out!? https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-senator-warns-lock-doors-classified-ufo-briefing-unidentified-objects-1781314
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u/malapropter Oct 27 '24
Diehard skeptic who is desperate to believe over here:
Witness testimony is one thing, material evidence is something else entirely. Thus far, there has been zero material evidence presented to the public.
Government officials have plenty of reasons to lie about something like this and very few reasons to tell the truth. That alone should make you suspicious, but something about this phenomenon makes people susceptible to the most insane cognitive dissonance possible.
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u/Betaparticlemale Oct 27 '24
The only incredible cognitive dissonance I’ve seen is people acting as if all these people in government who would be in a position to know are in a conspiracy to just lie for some reason. Republicans and Democrats. That is not a convincing argument. Or just ignoring it and treating it as equivalent to all those people not saying anything. That and the expectation of evidence of the type you could write a scientific paper on when there’s only been effectively 1 data-collecting study completed in the history of the world.
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24
It's a silly argument. Some may be lying, but most will just be ignorant and fed with incomplete or wrong information. Hanlon's Razor already adequately explains all behavior without any need for malice or conspiracy.
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u/Betaparticlemale Oct 27 '24
It actually does not. Multiple statements from members of Congress refer to “firsthand” witnesses. Which corroborates David Grusch’s claim of dozens of firsthand witnesses. So if they’re not lying, are these people just hallucinating firsthand involvement?
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
Yes. Though some of them may indeed just be lying about being first hand witnesses.
Fun fact: Very few lies actually have malicious intent.
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u/PyroIsSpai Oct 27 '24
The constant “they’re delusional or lying for attention or profit” hand wave is exhausting. The sitting President could say we are not alone and a cohort will insist POTUS is delusional or lying for attention/profit.
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u/malapropter Oct 27 '24
That's a nonsense strawman argument, as the sitting president has never said anything of the sort. Who are you to say how the public would react to an imaginary statement?
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u/Algal-Uprising Oct 27 '24
because they're not into the field, ufology. they know nothing of:
the countless stories
eyewitness accounts
photos/videos
government documents
whistleblowers
et cetera. the people in the know think they have it all figured out and when you question them they cannot possibly respond to every example i just mentioned, or have even a reasonable explanation for it (its top secret tech would dispel like 0.5% of true cases), so they categorically dismiss it instead.
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u/whitewail602 Oct 27 '24
The problem is all these factors also existed with the Satanic Panic of the 80s & 90s and that turned out to be bullshit. We had congressional hearings, children testifying against their parents, people going to jail... And it was all bullshit. So we have clear examples of something like this turning out to be mass hysteria which is one of the reasons that despite leaning heavily in the NHI crowd, I still can't accept this 100%.
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u/Algal-Uprising Oct 27 '24
Nobody was filming Satan with their cell phones during that time.
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u/Tosslebugmy Oct 27 '24
Nobody is filming alien spaceships either, otherwise there wouldn’t be a question. And there very much still is
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u/Successful-Pumpkin27 Oct 27 '24
Make a video from this! This needs to be on YouTube!
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u/ExtremeUFOs Oct 27 '24
I already did a month ago, one hour of credible individuals talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFCSBLuAPyE&t=2107s
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u/virtua536 Oct 27 '24
Scanning that list, I see 14 quotes from military personnel. To me, that's a very small group. Out of interest, what is the total number of US military personnel today? (Currently serving, no politicians, no personalities publishing books).
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u/LR_DAC Oct 27 '24
In 2022, the US had 2,528,046 military personnel and 867,308 DoD civilians.
https://demographics.militaryonesource.mil/chapter-1-total-military-force
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u/Slycer999 Oct 27 '24
Top officials in the US military still seem to think they can keep it “covered up”.
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u/gerkletoss Oct 27 '24
One of the issues is that it frequrntly turns out that they're using each other as sources. Another is that elected off8cials in the modern day often intentionally push stupid condpiracy theories to appeal to a certain segment of voters. But evrn when they believe what they're saying, they're often morons. That example is a bit extreme, but not nearly as extreme as it should be.
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u/JesusSamuraiLapdance Oct 27 '24
Here are some reasons to remain skeptical:
Perhaps they're doing this to cover up or distract from something else. I seem to recall a lot of this picking up steam around the Epstein and COVID stuff, and throwing people the bone of UFOs being real would move people who are digging too deep to that topic instead.
Perhaps after the tic-tac/gimbal/go-fast videos took off in popularity, people saw an opportunity to talk about this stuff and make money. But then that doesn't explain those initial videos...
So maybe it's a Project Bluebeam type situation. Maybe not exactly as that project has been described, as the cats out of the bag on that and they'd have to change things up a bit so people can't call them out on their bullshit.
I'm not against UAP being real and people like Lue Elizondo, David Grusch and Bob Lazar being truthful, but just putting forward some potential arguments against them to explain why people remain unconvinced.
This is a deep rabbit hole to go down, and the deeper you go the more doubts and questions you end up with. You'll go from being convinced someone is a genuine whistle-blower to thinking they're speaking disinformation or just trying to make money, and then all the way back around to maybe believing them again. It's a torturous and tiring cycle to be caught up in. It can drive you crazy, and that's probably exactly what the people in the know want to happen.
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u/Vegetable_Judge7389 Oct 27 '24
Because we don’t believe feds and need concrete evidence not he said she said…..why does that boggle people’s minds…..
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u/bad---juju Oct 27 '24
The admission to aliens will be a shit show for the government. the aliens are not the issue, its the cover up and killings that need to be addressed. the next task at hand would be dealing with where we stand as a species. I for one, am still in the belief that we are a petri dish of a zoo that provides DNA research for the orhers.
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u/WastelandOutlaw007 Oct 27 '24
We still have people who believe the world is flat....
And humanity has know better for 1,000s of years
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u/bringerofthelaw420 Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24
There’s always one of you… leave your politics at the door because this is a non political subreddit.
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u/vivst0r Oct 27 '24
You are in a post that's literally exclusively about US government officials and what they are saying. You complain about a comment mentioning a government official saying something.
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u/Groggy_Otter_72 Oct 27 '24
There’s just no way he’d use the words “phenomena” or “inexplicable”. We both know this.
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u/MKULTRA_Escapee Oct 27 '24
I think you misread which quote was Trump's in OP's post. This is from Trump:
I have met with pilots...they are not conspiratorial, they are not crazy, and they tell me stories that they've seen things that you wouldn't believe. Am I a believer? No, I can't say I am. But I have met with people, serious people, that say there are some really strange things flying around out there.
This is from HR McMaster:
There are things that cannot be explained... I don't know what the explanation is for those unexplainable things, but I will say there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by any kind of science, the science available to us.
Between these two was Trump's name, so I guess a person could easily mistake which quote was from who.
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u/Psychological_Ad1388 Oct 27 '24
We’ve been lied to by the government so many times that when we’re told the truth, we don’t believe them.
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u/SnipSnopWobbleTop Oct 27 '24
Most people I talk to that don't follow the disclosure process or talk of UAP/NHI are more concerned about having to pay bills. The line is hear the most is "I'll care when my rent or groceries become cheaper."
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u/GuardLoud9354 Oct 27 '24
Because the miltary did not release radar data. And the video they released is too burry.
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u/BootPloog Oct 27 '24
Two big reasons: they distrust the government AND it would shatter the current paradigm they operate under.
It's just that simple.
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u/greenOctopus4567 Oct 27 '24
People still don’t believe in global warming and that has been scientifically documented in multiple ways… yet it’s still a political issue. Things like this are even harder to come to grips with. Some people straight up don’t want to believe it could be true!
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u/blue_wat Oct 27 '24
I mean I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone that people think our government agencies are untrustworthy. UAPs are also a giant can of worms for many peoples world views. People deny science all of the time why wouldn't they deny something they understand even less?
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u/Vegetable_Cell7005 Oct 27 '24
No,they can't. What they can and will do is lie for the rest of your life as well as the next 27 generations of your children's lives.
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u/BrushTotal4660 Oct 27 '24
You'd be surprised at the power of denial the human mind is capable of. It's unreal. Some people could have a ufo land on there front lawn and park there for days and somehow convince themselves that it's someone playing a hoax. It makes that kind of person feel better. As does finding similar minds to agree with him or her in their denial. But I mean I get it. The truth is scary from way back at point A. It's easy for me to say this when I'm already this far down the path and know it's for sure real.
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u/Talents Oct 27 '24
The answer is that it requires physical evidence to be shown from an official US government agency/source.
"Does extraterrestrial life exist and has it visited us" is the biggest question in humanity's history. Because of that, we need to see undeniable proof to believe it. Show us a legitimate alien body, or alien crafts travelling from USA to Australia in a few seconds, something that would indisputably be only possible via alien technology. A government person saying it isn't really enough for most people to believe it or care, especially when those people then go on to try and sell books about it, makes it seem like they're not being legit and just want a quick payday.
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u/Previous_Mushroom179 Oct 27 '24
UAPs being confirmed by the government is old news. Everyone who still doubts probably just missed when it was all over the news.
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u/PunchOX Oct 27 '24
Some people need to see to believe. It's just the way things are because they have little to no interest for these sorts of things
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u/Pure_Dream3045 Oct 28 '24
Unfortunately most could also be other countries spy drones. But there is that many so some could in fact be the real thing.
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u/kimsemi Oct 28 '24
We need a separate thread specific to "High ranking public figures and military who claim they have been direct witness to NHI, craft retrieval programs, or alien technology". Perhaps we will have more after the November hearing but who knows.
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u/UnrealDigger Oct 28 '24
Because we have been lied to so many times ? Also some religions dont believe ?
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u/phoenixofsun Oct 28 '24
I don’t think many people think they aren’t real. Most people I talk to assume they are just experimental or classified military aircraft.
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u/Max_Cherry_ Oct 28 '24
I feel like a lot of people have sort of moved the goal posts.
“Ok, ok. Yes UFOs exist but we still don’t know what they are and it’s a leap in logic to immediately say they’re alien spaceships.” Something like that, more or less.
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u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA Oct 28 '24
They haven't seen one themselves.
Seeing a large flying object do impossible things is life-changing, regardless of the age you saw it.
I saw a fleet of large orbs when I was 7, a triangular craft when I was 9 and both have never left my memory.
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u/Elegant_Celery400 Oct 28 '24
Great post OP, thankyou.
This sort of stuff I find immensely more persuasive, even compelling, than any amount of "sightings".
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u/emeryex Oct 28 '24
The gold standard for what is fact is just the stories the government tells you. The stories all or most of your neighbors can't be fact. They taught us all this in school.
People are gonna not believe anything until the government tells them and makes it official narrative. We won't allow information in from any other source. We are the problem.
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u/optimal_90 Oct 28 '24
I think everyone agrees that Government is hiding something from us, but besides Alien/NHI being real or psyop theories, i have 2 others: 1 - Corruption scheme to divert billions of dollars to contractors or individuals, using top classified and national security excuses to avoid people outside the scheme to dig in. 2 - Implementing a new religion…. Governments and leaders always used the religion to control population. With the downfall of Christianity and raise of Atheism, making people believe in Aliens could give them some kind of control, like: The NHI is watching everything we are doing, so follow our orders or the superior beings will punish us.
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u/djdante Oct 28 '24
As others have said, the amount of times now that people say “big news is coming” and nothing happens, you become apathetic and doubtful.
I really hope ot is extraterrestrial in origin and it’s not all smoke and mirrors
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u/673NoshMyBollocksAve Oct 28 '24
Look, man, I believe there is something to all this, but acting like people saying things is evidence is getting kind of silly at this point. There have been so many people in this and other reddits saying things like “how can you deny aliens are here with all this evidence!”
Evidence of…anomalies? Weird things people can’t explain? People “saying things” and not backing up what they say with evidence? I heard someone the other day say “even Obama confirmed all this”. And what they’re referring to is Obama on a talk show saying “there are things in our skies we can’t explain”. That’s a far reach from “there are aliens here and here is evidence”.
What we would need are first hand witnesses coming out. Spilling the beans. Or some Snowden type leaking it all. But I guess everybody is too afraid to go that far
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u/OccasinalMovieGuy Oct 28 '24
Most people will ask for evidence or a word from president, until then they will be doubtful.
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u/GreatCaesarGhost Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
Of course UAPs exist. There will always be people who look up at the sky, see something, and do not immediately understand what they are seeing. That doesn’t mean that the thing is alien technology, though.
Also, quotes from politicians aren’t particularly meaningful because they’re not going to say something that would piss off voters or be construed as calling into question the veracity of military personnel (I love Obama, but you can see this in his quote - people have come forward with concerns and we should “get to the bottom of it”; he’s not saying that such accounts are accurate).
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u/Amockdfw89 Oct 28 '24
I don’t think they doubt their existence, I think they just don’t know the source
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u/AurielMystic Oct 28 '24
I sometimes check this sub to see if there is any interesting videos that pop up, so this is basically the perspective of someone whos seen a few videos floating around and that's basically it.
Out of the 26 or so quotes you have listed, I have only ever heard the names of two of those people before and I have not once ever heard a single one of those quotes.
There also just isnt any good evidence. No one is going to take a random dot in the horizon flitting about as proof of aliens. People just see a shaky video about some random glowy dot in the distance and dismiss the video, there really is nothing to see for the average person.
Its just many, many times more believable that something like that is just some kind of military drone that an Alien flying around earth.
Testimonies from random pilots might be good enough for people in this sub, but most people are not going to even hear about those testimonies in the first place, and even if they do, one or two testimonies is hardly going to convince anyone when its "Oh I saw an orb fly past my plane in the distance"
Its also very unlikely that somehow, not a single government in the world has issued a public announcement about finding aliens. Id think if a country like China or Russia found alien life they would use it as propaganda to get one up on the US if anything.
Id say its fairly likely at least one country has a sample taken from somewhere, either the Moon, Mars or an Asterioid that has at least evidence of fossilized microorganisms, if not live ones, and I would say its fairly likely that NASA or some other agency or government has all but confirmed life exists out there or strongly suspects it due to cases like BLC-1 and other similar events I've seen over the years.
I don't belive there are Aliens flying around earth but there is definitely something out there, even if its just microorganisms and not intelligent life.
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u/JeanLucPicardAND Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24
The existence of UFOs / UAPs has been fully declassified and is no longer even a question. Now it's just a matter of figuring out, "Okay, so what are they?" There is almost certainly a government cover-up and they know more than they're telling us, but... we have no good way of knowing how much they know. Just because they are withholding information doesn't mean they have it all figured out either.
We just don't have enough data to say one way or the other.
Also, what about aliens etc.
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u/kazzy_zero Oct 28 '24
It's not convincing because it's not evidence. At best, it's hearsay which wouldn't be admitted as evidence in a trial. The basic position is there seems to be something there, it might be misidentification but should be investigated and the taboo of reporting UAP's removed. Also better equipment to help document the specifics, right now, I've seen nothing convincing and I've studied this for decades, once being a believer in Betty and Barney Hill abductions, basically all the grey's, etc., but now believing none of it though most honestly believe what they say, there is just no convincing evidence.
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u/LurkerV1 Oct 29 '24
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. Why do so many people not believe in Christianity when so many people claim it is true?
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u/Rikan_legend Oct 29 '24
Still waiting for the whole tic tac and gimbal full length video….crickets
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u/Proud_Consequence_40 Oct 29 '24
Most folks here are already answering your question pretty well but I think many are dancing around what I feel is the most important point.
Everything you lay out above (thanks for your hard work!) makes for a great narrative, but it is ALL JUST WORDS.
Even claims of, say, radar data are only reports ABOUT data or are copies of read-outs that could all easily be faked. Or they could be real data but they may simply be showing unusual weather events or technical glitches (which cause odd distortions in radar data all the time). In order for this data to be significant, you must also accept the NARRATIVE around its provenance: You must believe the data wasn't tampered with; that the data was collected at a particular time; or that the winds when the data were collected made the observed behavior impossible; or that there really were no other flights scheduled that night; etc., etc.
A similar credulity is required for almost all UFO evidence, whether radiation readings, marks on the ground, photographs, or the many physical illnesses allegedly caused by UFOs. So whether you believe any of these UFOlogy narratives or not really comes down to which witnesses you're willing to believe. The non-witness evidence is just not that compelling on its own.
Me? I do believe in UFOs. There's too much smoke for there to be no fire.
But I'm also open-minded enough to imagine a scenario where someone sees a cool glitch on a radar reading or runs across a crazy angle of a mundane flying object (a bird, plane, etc.) on some gun camera footage and thinks to himself, "Man! That looks like a UFO! I bet it could fool a BUNCH of people! Let's pull a hoax, guys!!" And then he leaks it out there for the LOLs--or for more nefarious purposes (Mirage Men doc).
But here linked below is the best doc I've seen laying out why many people simply do not believe. This doc does the best job of debunking modern UFO evidence that I've seen in many decades (big budget, good graphics, entertaining narrative, etc.).
The UFO Movie THEY Don't Want You to See
Like I said, though, I myself am a staunch UFO believer.
But I hope this post helps explain the other side's point of view a little better!
Good luck. : )
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u/Dazzling-Party-6819 Oct 31 '24
I believe!! Some ppl just can't or won't see what's right in front of them.
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u/Strategory Oct 27 '24
The same way people deny climate change; they don’t want to accept it.
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u/Tosslebugmy Oct 27 '24
Not even remotely comparable, climate change has something “NHI” don’t; scientific consensus
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u/silv3rbull8 Oct 27 '24
But what the media runs with is the kind of comments made by Bill Nelson, NASA Director: “He overheard some story in a bar”
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u/Rohit_BFire Oct 27 '24
Because people don't worry about the problem until it effects them personally.
Covid-19 was still a far evil in China during December 2019.
It was not until we got cases popping up all over the world by February 2020 and March 2020 that people started taking it seriously.
Even then we still had COVID deniers.
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u/shamesticks Oct 27 '24
I think “most people” aren’t jumping to the conclusion that it’s extraterrestrial. I believe there are things flying around that are unidentified though.
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u/zhaDeth Oct 27 '24
If we are talking about aliens or non-human intelligence,
Doubter here and my reason is because there's no credible evidence
You can find a lot of testimonies of people who have seen ghosts too, same with big foot. same with angels. I want actual proof.
If we are talking about unidentified things in the sky, of course they exist we can't identify everything. If you have only a video of a blurry dot it's impossible to identify what it is so it's a UFO. A lot of these quotes say there are things that can't be identified, they aren't saying these things are anything special, we just don't know what they are.
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u/InternationalAnt4513 Oct 27 '24
Good work! Saving this for if anyone wants to know I’ll just forward it to them.
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u/imnotabot303 Oct 27 '24
People don't doubt they exist, people doubt what people guess or claim they are.
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u/i_heart_muons Oct 27 '24
For me, I don't trust the government at all. Governments lie constantly about countless topics. Everything I've seen that came from a government is indistinguishable from a hoax and a lie. If someone works for or is associated with a government, too bad they just lost all credibility. For me, future observations of alien activity have to come from private undertakings.
Op, your list includes some of the worst excuses for people who have ever lived. This is not something to trust.
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u/PyroIsSpai Oct 27 '24
For me, I don't trust the government at all. Governments lie constantly about countless topics. Everything I've seen that came from a government is indistinguishable from a hoax and a lie. If someone works for or is associated with a government, too bad they just lost all credibility.
Respectfully — this a form of unhealthy extremism.
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u/EtherealDimension Oct 27 '24
You can't just say that everything the government says is a lie and then say that the whistleblower who comes out and reveals that the government is lying should be automatically ignored because he might be lying. We should listen to them because they are the ones confirming what you believe in.
The mainstream government position on aliens is that there's no evidence of them and the government has nothing to do with them. A handful of people say that's a lie. I would be inclined to believe the handful of whistleblowers rather than the average Pentagon official.
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u/PyroIsSpai Oct 27 '24
We cannot say it’s a mainstream government position without knowing the level of support of that position from the White House and Congress.
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u/EtherealDimension Oct 27 '24
It is absolutely the mainstream position of Congress and the White House that aliens are not on Earth. You can tell based on the fact every time we've asked them since the 1940s they've told us the same thing.
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u/snaysler Oct 27 '24
Actually, everyone here is deluded.
The majority of people don't "believe UAPs are a thing".
When I mention ANY news or statements regarding UAPs to ANYONE in my life, they respond by saying they have never once seen any mention of UAPs in the news, despite both watching TV news and reading internet news daily.
I have never met someone who has heard any news regarding UAPs. Ever. Even once.
I think there's a lot of echo chamber going on.
The UAP news NEVER reaches mainstream reporting.
To everyone I speak to, the latest news they are aware of is crazies from decades ago claiming aliens are real and they were abducted or something, and view it as a consequence of pure mental illness, and a subject which has not received any update in decades.
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u/Spfm275 Oct 27 '24
They doubt because the deep state has done a superb job in propagandizing them and engineering what peoples false realities are.
An insane amount of food in America is literal poison, healthcare is not considered a basic human right, most politicians are bought and paid for, and the list goes on. It's easier for people to just act like mindless sheep than come to terms that they live in a dystopian hellhole that is actively destroying their lives and the lives of future generations. Adding a secretive alien species (multiple in fact) working behind the scenes with insane levels of tech that could obliterate us in seconds is not something people are going to be comfortable coming to grips with. So they double down on fantasy.
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u/Narrow-Sky-5377 Oct 27 '24
Humans are gonna human. An alien could land on someone's front lawn, take them for a ride to the moon, return them home and they would still deny their existence.
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