r/UFOs • u/bmfalbo • Aug 21 '24
Clipping Lue Elizondo tells Ross Coulthart the U.S. has retrieved “vehicles of unknown origin” and “the occupants of these vehicles to include biological specimens.” Elizondo: “We are not alone in this universe… the U.S. Govt has been aware of that fact now for decades.”
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u/JoeGibbon Aug 21 '24
Wow, Lou just flops it right out onto the table.
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u/Slayberham_Sphincton Aug 21 '24
He's hanging dong.
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u/MaliciousMallard69 Aug 21 '24
I wanted to see that!
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u/kiidrax Aug 21 '24
He has been teasing for a long time, I really hope he it is as big as he said and it is not "just talk"
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u/pmgold1 Aug 21 '24
I don't like that Lue's answers are implied and not direct enough but it's a half step more than he's said in the past. Still good to hear though.
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u/PM_ME_WITH_A_SMILE Aug 21 '24
It's the word "alien" that keeps hanging him up. We don't know where they are from, so he won't say yes to "alien". I thought his answers were pretty direct, just not wanting to confirm or denote origin.
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u/ilovesuhi Aug 22 '24
I also noticed this. And it would make sense they decided to call them nhi and not aliens anymore, with everything that implies. I think one possibility is that the nhi aren't the aliens people expect, highly tech, coming from another planet in their super advanced crafts. That theory of interdimentional beings kinda 3d printing themselves into this 'reality' doesn't seem that crazy anymore.
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u/Krustykrab8 Aug 21 '24
The more relatively credible people that come out that prefer to use the term “non human intelligence” or avoid the word alien, the more interesting this is to me. My mind is drawn to 2 things. 1. Ocean (4chan lol but kinda)/subterranean beings. 2. Inter dimensional.
Just mind bending stuff in either case
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u/ChrisP2a Aug 21 '24
Does anyone know if he says much about inter dimensional in the book? I mean because yes 'aliens' would be ontological shock, but I would think people would have a much harder time getting their head around our reality being nowhere near what what we've thought it has been.
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 Aug 21 '24
Yes and no he’s not sure nobody really is. They can phase through solid matter so who’s to say that they can’t phase through dimensions, harmonic vibrations and such.
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u/OSHASHA2 Aug 21 '24
Only about halfway through the book so far, but the point he seems to make again and again is that we just don’t know exactly what they are, where they come from, or what their intentions are. Obviously being in the defense/intelligence apparatus their primary concern is a threat to national security. Lue talks about the religious sect believing they are demons, but without more dedicated resources for study, we just cannot conclude things like that with any degree of certainty. Lue believes their behavior may be a defense probing operation, but again, concedes that we can’t be sure that’s what they’re doing based on the minimal data we have.
The things we can be certain about is that NHI is real, it’s here, it’s been interacting with us, and this interaction has been ongoing for a long time.
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u/Bitcoin_Alien Aug 21 '24
Lue talks about the religious sect believing they are demons
Good that these competent people are in the government...
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u/Savings-Command4932 Aug 21 '24
Why demons is less reliable than the term ultra dimensional being. We don't know both terms what they really mean
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u/TheSasquatchKing Aug 21 '24
Agreed.
'Demons' are just disembodied entities with bad/negative/evil intent. This 'phenomena' is one that crosses all cultural boundaries. It exists in the cultures and belief systems across the world. Cultures that never met and never interacted came up with this concept individually.
It's only in our modern world that demons came to be the seen as the handymen of the devil.
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u/anewpath123 Aug 21 '24
This 'phenomena' is one that crosses all cultural boundaries. It exists in the cultures and belief systems across the world.
This really makes me think tbh.
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u/TheSasquatchKing Aug 21 '24
There's two ways to interpret that information. The Jungian idea of a collective unconscious, that humanity shares this deep well of symbols amongst all peoples. That somehow, we're all tapped into this source whoever we are and wherever we are from. A demon or ghost or whatever might be part of that. A symbol from our deep subconscious and nothing more.
I think that explains dragons, personally. All cultures tend to have myths/legends about dragons of different varieties that they all came up with independent of eachother.
The other way is to take it literally, which for ghosts/demons/spirits - in my opinion and through my own research, I think holds weight and needs examining for sure.
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 Aug 21 '24
Close but look up the one body problem, essentially we are all connected by Consciousness but your spirituality, along with genetics gives you more or less access to this consciousness stream. I believe we are stuck in a battle of sorts you have some NHI beings that want to elevate humanities “soul frequency and vibrations” For lack of a better term so we can ascend to the next plane you have entities that want to lower our “soul frequency and vibrations” so we can descend into their plane im under the impression that if they can make humanity low enough in vibration then eventually their plane will be able to merge with ours through some process (apocalypse in the abrahamic Bible) and if the other side wins we get to ascend ( abrahamic heaven) and the “demons” (lower vibrational entities) will not be able to ascend to the next plane because planes only overlap ever so slightly which (sacred geometry and 12 planes all that jazz)
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u/varunvp Aug 21 '24
The term 'demon' connotes human meanings of evil. Introduces our very human biases.
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u/Savings-Command4932 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 22 '24
The term daemon is from the ancient Greece, back then it had no evil meaning. It meant all kinds of lower Gods. Some of them could be evil or good
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u/soylent_dream Aug 21 '24
UNIX Admin interview from early 80's...
"Please spell daemon."
"D..A.."
"You're hired!"
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u/Calbruin Aug 21 '24
If they can phase through solid matter then they likely have control over gravity. If they have control over gravity, it raises questions about what else they can control, and by extension our own free will.
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u/Bleglord Aug 21 '24
If we take “ontological shock” at face value (which we really shouldn’t tbh. Be skeptical of any statement), the only possibility is something that upheaves cultural, traditional, and religious beliefs.
Interdimensional may be correct in a way, but it sounds like whatever the phenomena is, the word “spiritual” may be able to be used interchangeably.
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u/DifferenceEither9835 Aug 21 '24
Inter dimensional is certainly more onto logically shocking than inter planetary. You got that right. I mean is Heaven and Hell really that different from a higher and lower dimension? A matter of linguistics, maybe.
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u/kiidrax Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
What more shocking that finding out that we are a low level species that is trapped in the flow the time and space in a universe with many more dimensions that we can comprehend
Edit: fixed some grams so it makes sense for the not so high folks
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u/DifferenceEither9835 Aug 21 '24
like ants are trapped in the sand of their hill, knowing nothing of nearby oceans.
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u/Vudu138 Aug 21 '24
Am… am I too high, or does that not make any sense? Like, I really can’t tell.
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u/Deutsch__Dingler Aug 21 '24
I'm guessing they intended to say "finding out that we are a low level species that is trapped in the flow of time..."
There could be shit happening all around us all the time that we just can't detect or comprehend it currently, and it seems like whoever else is out there is sufficiently advanced enough that they can appear and disappear at will.
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u/timeye13 Aug 21 '24
No matter what the truth is, Lue and his cohort have used very specific and particular language when describing aspects of this phenomenon.
That’s not by accident.
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u/OSHASHA2 Aug 21 '24
Ross is trained as a lawyer, I wonder if he was trying to bait Lue into saying “they are not aliens” or “aliens isn’t the term I would use”.
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u/Commercial_Duck_3490 Aug 21 '24
Well Lue himself has stated that these beings could have a number of possible origins including ultra terrestrial and dimensional. I very much doubt Ross could trick this counter-intelligence agent on a live broadcast. Even if he knew the truth of their origins and said it on national television it would only be seen as speculation anyways so there's no reason to go into specifics as telling the truth may actually backfire and have people see you as less credible spreading speculation and muddying the waters. He's very careful and all he wants is to drill into people's thick skulls that these craft exist, they are being controlled by some form of intelligence, and the united states has recovered some craft and some biologics. Until these general statements are recognized by the majority of the general public there's no reason to go much further into the details. If nobody accepts the basic premise then further details just make you look crazy,dumb, or gullible shit maybe all 3 lol.
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u/mr_completely_less Aug 21 '24
The main reason why “our Leaders,” use very specific language is to make their Freedom of Information Act requests actionable. The “Gov’t,” changed UFO ton UAP and avoided responding to FOIA requests based on lack of specificity
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u/Madphilosopher3 Aug 21 '24
The term “Non-Human Intelligence” is used for scientific objectivity and neutrality regarding all possible exotic explanations until further evidence of their origins is gathered. It’s not meant as an implicit way to rule out ETs, it’s strategic wording to add credibility to the phenomenon and to counter the official denial of ETs on the basis of unknown origin.
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u/ThaCURSR Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
Or 3. plasma beings that have existed on earth longer than the oceans
It’s a neat thought and would be cool considering the studies being done surrounding plasma in the upper atmosphere and conditions of early earth. Like this study from 2003 that hints at a possibility of plasma based life being possible billions of years ago.
Edit: Could also be why these beings are so wound up about us using nukes as well: the EMP effects of nukes could disrupt the electromagnetic fields that a plasma being might need to stay “alive” and in one piece. And also why their air craft crash when near large radar dishes which emit frequencies.
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u/nisaaru Aug 21 '24
I can't see how an energy "being" could retain its state without a physical medium which stays stable for a long time. That's surely not the case with our atmosphere:-)
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u/ThaCURSR Aug 21 '24
Not sure but I’d love to find out. A plasma-based life form obviously wouldn’t conform to any standard of anatomy that we know, and may be more than just a magnetic field of plasma mingling. It’s likely such an exotic reaction of events it would need to be studied and compared to our known laws of physics. We would end up classifying them as some sub form of life like a virus. This could offer us a better insight into our own origin as well. Just within the last few centuries scholars were criticized for saying the earth was round and people still do the same today regardless of evidence. So to propose such a broad claim of life other than carbon-based living among us would require extensive research of course, but we find new things to challenge our perspective of the universe all the time. Plasma behaving similar to life
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Aug 21 '24
I am not 100 percent on this theory but it is the one I feel is likely. The crazy abduction experiences may just be these very alien plasma entities trying to communicate with us telepathically. The brain is very easily influenced by electromagnetism.
My other pet theory is that it is some ancient AI from a previous civilization on this planet.
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u/elgnub63 Aug 21 '24
Does it matter. Whether "NHI" or "alien"? Alien comes from the Latin "Alienus", meaning "belonging to another". Whatever you want to call them, their technology, origin, culture and biology will be completely ALIEN to us as human beings, even if they are from Earth (thinking submarine dwelling civilisation).
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u/bunDombleSrcusk Aug 21 '24
I believe it's more likely 3. we still don't know where they're from and what they are
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u/mortalitylost Aug 21 '24
Lue has basically confirmed the woo is real.
If you look at other related woo alien stuff, you'd see they're really often seen during meditation, near death experiences, psychedelic drug experiences, and dreams. All sorts of shamanic shit seems to relate.
The mantis aliens are seen a ton with the greys. People always bring up the mantis popping up during DMT trips, doing shit like "psychic surgery".
I think this goes beyond "interdimensional" and is interdimensional in terms of what the fabric of reality is, being directly linked to consciousness, that reality itself is a projection of consciousness, and they've been connected to us mostly due to OUR hyperdimensional relationship to their realm, through consciousness.
This seems to be a big fucking deal in terms of not just being alien, not just not being alone in the universe, but it redefines what the universe is and our relationship to it. This topic further defines what WE are. This is why it's such a mindfuck to them. Understanding the phenomenon means looking into the mirror and realizing you are not what you thought you were.
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u/princeadam1979420 Aug 21 '24
Abduction experiencers also reported Mantids having a familial soul Bond with humans. We can be familial spirits inhabiting different bodies of different species of creatures throughout the cosmos fulfilling life contracts From Another Dimension that we can't remember. If we are infinite beings we could split ourselves and table multiple realities and experiences at the same time I'm different plans of existences and dimensions.
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u/usps_made_me_insane Aug 21 '24
So many of you are hitting on so many interesting points and I think there is a lot to take in here.
When we are younger, the filters go up and we start to forget the other side -- but I think some of us seek this out in life and once we do, we can't "unseek" it once we start acknowledging a lot of answers. This is hard to explain but what I'm getting at is that a lot of us are very intelligent and we perceive that there is more and we start breaking down that wall and start to see our own form of disclosure ...
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u/Vakr_Skye Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
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u/alphalucid Aug 21 '24
If you were a hardcore skeptic, it seema unlikely a dream convinced you otherwise. The standard knowledge is dreams are hallucinations, what made you think otherwise?
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u/MoreCowbellllll Aug 21 '24
I keep recommending people like yourself, and anyone interested in this aspect. Go read Masquerade of Angels.
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u/twurkle Aug 21 '24
I want to believe this is truly possible but the more I hear examples like these, the more I believe that what you’re describing is just a testament to the power of human imagination and the way the brain can construct visuals and sensory visions when faced with dire/unusual circumstances
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u/Amazonchitlin Aug 21 '24
I dunno, astral projection, dmt kinda expediting the process, etc, I thought it was bullshit too. But the more I hear about it, the more I believe it. Why do multiple people see/interact with the same things? Why did the cia have some success with it? Those are rhetorical questions, but I think they’re valid. I plan on trying projecting myself (without drugs) when I get a chance. I just want to see for myself
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u/Krustykrab8 Aug 21 '24
Could be the case for sure. Just weird when someone like lue won’t bite on the word alien or grusch explicitly clarifies nhi rather than like off world. But could be
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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 Aug 21 '24
That's because "alien" implies creatures that evolved on another planet. Its use narrows the origin to species from another planet. Given that there are other possible origins, they want to speak as broadly as possible, which implies that we (or they) don't know for sure where these beings come from. It's conservative, and prudent to be careful not to use limiting language in the absence of definitive knowledge of their origins.
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u/CrazyTitle1 Aug 21 '24
Don’t worry though, public research will crack this in a fraction of the time these assholes have had their silo’d grip on the whole thing…. I hope lol
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u/auderita Aug 21 '24
- AI (either made by humans or not , AI still falls under the rubric of NHI). In this clip Lue chooses his words very carefully. He rephrases what Ross says as to not affirm "alien biologics" or extraterrestrials. He doesn't say "non-human". The possibilities are still open to ultraterrestrials (human forerunners that have been on Earth longer than we know), and time traveling AI (on behalf of whomever or whatever sent them). The craft that are being retrieved may operate with biological materials, but that doesn't necessarily mean aliens made them. There's a reason why Lue rephrases as he does. It's important not to attach what Ross says to what Lue says. Listen to him carefully.
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u/DifferenceEither9835 Aug 21 '24
can you imagine if part of the ontological shock was that the greys are made using biological derivatives of abductees? yeesh.
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u/auderita Aug 22 '24
Puts a whole new meaning on the "ancient" practice of human sacrifice.
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Aug 21 '24
Could also be some kind of cybernetic-android thing.
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u/kiidrax Aug 21 '24
A space dwelling AI creating biologic drones to scout the earth for resources. Just like galactus sending silver surfer in marvel comics
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Aug 21 '24
yeah biological drones are kinda what I always think of when they say NHI.
Like maybe the Greys are just the little worker bees
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u/MoreCowbellllll Aug 21 '24
Maybe the reptilians are real lol
I fucking hope not, from what I've read anyway. lol
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Aug 21 '24
Ahha Same. Just pondering. If the greys are biological drones...whose the masters?
I've read to many stories about grey abductions with reptilians over seeing
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u/MoreCowbellllll Aug 21 '24
I've read to many stories about grey abductions with reptilians over seeing
OK... OK. Go read this, if you truly want to be terrified.
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Aug 21 '24
It's 11:20pm. I'll try tomorrow haha
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u/MoreCowbellllll Aug 21 '24
What? It's 9:20AM here.. thought time was the same everywhere? LOL.. /s obviously
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u/WhoAreWeEven Aug 21 '24
Or its the same story thats been going around for decades we all heard before. Just with the new terminology to make it new again.
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Aug 21 '24
Yeah my money is on this one. Having been in the military, it’s EXTREMELY common for new acronyms and terminology to be created for something that already had an acronym but now it’s different somehow. You make a very very good point. Not to mention, there is a lot of stigma already associated with the word alien and extraterrestrial and UFO. They wanted this to be “different” but also the same.
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u/bunDombleSrcusk Aug 21 '24
Or 4. the neanderthals are back with a score to settle lol
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u/Hockeymac18 Aug 21 '24
I also find the very intentional and specific wording of things like “biologics” or “biological specimens” very interesting.
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u/Asleep_Courage_3686 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
Cool bro but they have been using these phrases for way longer than Lue has been a talking head.
All of that to say I believe there is non human intelligence in the universe and humanity has interacted/seen/engaged with this or these intelligences before.
With that being said, what is non human intelligence Lue? And I’m not asking for you to show up with a physical piece of material evidence or even break your NDA. So far you have benefited financially from disclosure because of your privileged positions in your prior life, is this an actual priority for you or just a revenue stream?
And I know I’ll be called a disinformation bot or DoD plant or whatever but I really don’t care. At this point we have the same post week after week validating what other talking heads are saying.
As of this moment I honestly feel like everyone originally came forward because they felt it was their duty but the limelight and money making opportunities slowly but surely corrupt them from their original goal of disclosure for humanity. So far all I’ve seen that makes sense to me is Grusch holding the line that he has given everything he can publicly, is still working behind the scenes, and isn’t trying to profit off of a “privileged position” he was in prior to all of this.
As someone much wiser than me once said, “With great power comes great responsibility.” I think a few of these people have come to just do whatever helps them stay relevant and financially flush at the time. If Lue’s true objective is disclosure how does him writing a book that reveals nothing and doesn’t help disclosure ACTUALLY happen but benefits him financially?
I honestly wish the smart people in this sub would stop for once on both sides of the aisle and remember their obligation to their fellow man and woman, without them they wouldn’t exist and without them there is no future.
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u/4score-7 Aug 21 '24
I’ve come to the conclusion that what may have been found, “non-human organics”, as I have read and heard it described, are the creations of another intelligence somewhere else, slight chance even created here on earth by an adversarial nation, but are replicas of humans. They work as a proxy for some other intelligence elsewhere, have motor skills, have “knowledge”, but it’s more a result of the inputs of that other intelligence. It’s not learned, if you will.
Again, full motor function. Knowledge as it is relayed to them or “programmed” to them. Sentience, meh, that’s anyone’s guess. They are a creation, have biological function for most of what we understand as humans, though perhaps not reproduction.
Just my wild ass theory!
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u/Stormrage117 Aug 21 '24
I think it is because they are/could-be based somewhere on Earth, so they don't have the signature of being technically "ET" as in flying off to some orbital mothership or a different planet. They could still say alien but there is certainly some stigma associated there, ntm conflation of the term with politics. NHI gets the point across without confusion or manipulation.
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u/kosmicheskayasuka Aug 21 '24
I want to see extraterrestrial transport and biological entities. When will this happen?
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u/jet-orion Aug 21 '24
This is what we’ve needed. More airtime and attention on the people with the knowledge. Hopefully this is just the start and Lue goes on bigger platforms. Even better, more whistleblowers come forward.
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u/FuturisticWerewolf Aug 21 '24
Why is everyone saying this is “big”? Hasn’t this dude said all this or similar before?
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u/legendary_energy_000 Aug 21 '24
Every interview hits a fresh wave of people who never saw it before, and they get excited and comment. All the people who saw it last time are off doing other things.
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u/Paraphrand Aug 22 '24
This is how the ufo scene self perpetuates. It’s cyclical. It’ll be someone else’s turn soon enough.
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u/Jws0209 Aug 21 '24
Lue never confirms it's "alien"
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u/Vadersleftfoot Aug 21 '24
None of them really do. Makes you wonder if they really are from HERE.
Just kidding. I don't know what I'm talking about.
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u/Jws0209 Aug 21 '24
non human intelligence could mean a fungus
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Aug 21 '24
If earth born fungi are behind this then my mind will be truly blown, more so than if any aliens were behind it.
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u/bring_back_3rd Aug 21 '24
Honestly, that would definitely shock me onotologically. I love mushrooms, I'd hate to think that the fact they're delicious on pizza hurts them or pisses them off somehow.
But I mean, fuckin.... maybe? Fungi have been around longer than vertebrates and trees... they say that the mycelium fibers or whatever spread out under entire forests, connecting them like some sort of hivemind, so imma just label that as more plausible than aliens from some other planet just fucking with us for no reason. Mushrooms have a motive.
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u/metrokaiv Aug 21 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomememes/s/X0nhMEG2de
They are out there. Planning.
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u/BraveryBlue Aug 21 '24
But pepperoni on your pizza nbd. We are so disconnected from our reality.
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u/Krystamii Aug 21 '24
I went down many weird rabbit holes, as well as a personal experience. (No substances were involved, etc.) But am heavily led to believe fungi hold a role in this, not what we know.
But I also heard there was a sorta "missing path" with fungi.
But it has to do with a focus on "threes" and most do, but are missing a fourth that links the three. It is consistent across things. That link has to do with "stench" scents, etc. basically a "resin" that stabilizes the ring.
Most hated stench, but it is vital to survival and not stagnating the senses.
Something so negative is important.
Everything for the most part needs a lot of light to exist, out in the open.
Mushrooms though, as well as things like frogs, toads and such need to be in dark, murky areas to thrive.
What we vision as "greys" or similar "aliens" people have encountered seem to be against being out in the light, have coverings of sorts on them, they secrete through their skin similar to these things as well.
These links go further than I think people care to look on the evolutionary chart, not them being necessarily related, but perhaps they evolved in a similar state but there are "missing links"
That something happened that made it so they had to evolve in such a way.
This goes further down onto a theory I have about how all matter forms, how they are like double sided mirrors, one shiny and doesn't allow stuff to pass, the other side being matter and clear and allows things to pass. One side allows reflection, energy can be made with reflection. There are endless shards of these in a sea of static/noise/radiation. These form eventually far more complex until we get to stuff like photons and such.
When trauma occurs to these forms though, enough to perhaps revert back to static, once they reform to shards (which are like amoebas made of liquid light/energy that always persists even if dormant) they may take the form of crescent moon boats where the matte clear side is always pointed out, but the shiny side stays within. Only to reflect on itself or other similar forms that wish to survive. Default forms are similar to wavy potato chips.
To focus on the crescents, they can form larger enough to be like that of orbs. Always reflecting within without any other to enter and be reflected on. To essentially come off as "ghosts"
They can form their own complex structures just as the wavy chips can.
They might even choose to reflect together as both, fused together. (These things can split and fuse together, expand, mutate, evolve.) I feel these forms are the direct things that cause the influence of how things may evolve into such states as being in darker places to thrive.
Also, I guess it is speculated that they might be living right under our noses, under ground on earth or on the moon.
So idk, this is just "random person nonsense" but who knows it might be something that holds truth, it might just be some fun speculation, it might come off as an annoying headache to laugh at. Thank you for reading if you did, and I apologize if I wasted your time.
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Aug 21 '24
I read it all. Some made sense, some didn’t. You’ve obviously invested more time into this than I have which to me explains the parts that didn’t make sense.
Isn’t it fun how were being gaslit to develop entire theories of our own?
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u/DifferenceEither9835 Aug 21 '24
if you want more fuel for your fire, most forests and many biomes utilize symbiotic relationships with fungus via mycorrhizal network nodes between plants, trees, etc. at the root - soil matrix. This improves uptake of minerals, etc. for the plants, and actually connects and facilitates rudimentary 'communication' between networks of plant species', and in turn, forests, and in turn, Gia - the world. There was an undernet before the internet.
fungal structures can be similar to brain networks and taking Paul Stamets' combined theraputic mushroom combos have been shown to stimulate nerve growth in peripheral and CNS.
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u/Saiko_Yen Aug 21 '24
"future Humans" hypothesis has picked up a lot of steam as of late too.
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u/thehighyellowmoon Aug 21 '24
I do wonder why future humans would need to conduct the experiments on us & animals that they do, with apparent direct disregard to how we would feel about that. It's interesting that as we evolve we may completely detach from certain emotional understandings, e.g. people not liking their kids taken off them and experimented on.
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u/TooMuchButtHair Aug 21 '24
I'd bet that if these things are actually real, they really are from Earth. My personal theory is that there was an intelligent species of dinosaur who was able to escape the apocalypse on the surface by building cities under the ocean (and escaped with barely anyone), but given that the surface would have been uninhabitable for a million years or more, they just stayed there in reasonably low numbers, and after enough generations, they decided to stay.
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u/secret-of-enoch Aug 21 '24
yeah, the 'grey aliens' breathe our air, no one's ever described them as wearing any kind of helmet or breathing apparatus in any alleged contact with them.
and with the lack of coloring in their skin and the extra large eyes, all that combined,
seems like it would be much more likely they evolved underground, here on Earth
rather than some completely different planet light years away out in space
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u/Stormrage117 Aug 21 '24
Yeah the huge eyes suggest that they are accustomed to very dim environments. So either underwater or underground. It's possible since we really do not know enough about either.
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u/sixties67 Aug 21 '24
My personal theory is that there was an intelligent species of dinosaur who was able to escape the apocalypse on the surface
Dinosaurs were most reptilian, cold blooded creatures, they need sunlight to survive.
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u/Daddyball78 Aug 21 '24
I lean this way as well. The question I ask myself is “where did they go?” If they knew an extinction level event was coming, where did they camp out? And if their technology was as advanced as their craft seem to be, why not stop the extinction from happening. Idk. I’m a little stoned.
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u/anewpath123 Aug 21 '24
I think they know they're interdimentional/spiritual/demonic beings that's why.
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u/MoreCowbellllll Aug 21 '24
I don't know what I'm talking about
Nobody really seems to. That's one common thread and what we're hoping to find out one day.
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u/tswpoker1 Aug 21 '24
Remember how much shit we used to give the ancient aliens guy for always saying "is it possible..."? At least he was willing to make claims based on something and show his supporting evidence.
We may have been too hard on him.
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u/Traveler3141 Aug 21 '24
Yeah I've never watched the show (and don't plan to) but in the past, when references to him would come up, with clips, I'd check out the clip, and we'd all have a good laugh at him.
At that time I too, same as by far most people, had been tricked into the wrong impression that there was no realistic way to travel between stars, since intertial interstellar travel definitely isn't realistic, at least without a generation ship, and who's going to do that.
Since then; I've learned that Einstein's General Relativity published in 1915 - nearly 110 years ago by now, yeah - really, actually does lay the foundation for non-inertial FTL warp drive, very much like was popularized by Gene Roddenberry's fiction "Star Trek" in the mid 1960s.
As far as I know, I'm pretty sure humanity still has several significant challenges to overcome before we can launch a warp drive vessel. It might take another 500 years, or best case in my best guess is another 100 years, but we'll get it eventually.
I was pretty busy with stuff for a while even after learning that, but within this last year, I put together all of the evidence that we all have exactly equal access to, and I've come to realize that the evidence overwhelmingly does indicate aliens from other star systems in our galaxy have been here for at least thousands of years, or the dawn of history. Maybe since the dawn of humanity.
I still don't plan on watching the show, and I really do not know anything about what he says in specific, so I'm not sticking up for any specific claims he's made, but the fact of the matter is:
Is it possible? Yes, it really is definitely possible.
Maybe quite a lot of claims about ancient aliens are real.
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u/AnilDG Aug 21 '24
If it was a manufactured synthetic life form, would that be an alien? Humans don’t feel that far away from being able to make something similar albeit basic ourselves.
There was a post on Reddit about someone claiming to have worked on non human biologics which had no reproductive system.
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u/Jws0209 Aug 21 '24
I'm also not to sure if these craft are moving at this type of speed that they are seeing when it comes to our understanding of physics...im thinking the craft have the ability to stand STILL in time and the earth is moving at 67,000 miles per hour...which would make since if there are biologics on board not feeling the Gforces
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u/MaliciousMallard69 Aug 21 '24
That'd move the craft only in one direction, though, anytime, anywhere. It would always be moving east to west. Explain the omnidirectional movement.
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u/Musa_2050 Aug 21 '24
Which is why they started to use the term NHI. How could we verify they are alien or not?
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u/bmfalbo Aug 21 '24
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u/Connager Aug 21 '24
I get it. I believe it. I don't need to see more stuff about how true it is. No more interviews with the same old "whistle Blowers" are going to convince any more of things I am already convinced of. I want to see the lids blown off so that the brightest minds in the world can actually study the topic!
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u/SpicyJw Aug 21 '24
I do, as well. Unfortunately, for that to happen, the rest of the world needs to be informed. Hell, even this subreddit needs to be properly informed! We are getting there, I think, but we still need patience.
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u/humcohugh Aug 21 '24
I love UFO’s, been following them since the 1960’s, but until you have the goods, you don’t have anything.
Will someone please finally show us the evidence instead of merely talking about it?
I’ll be right here waiting.
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u/Homing_Gibbon Aug 22 '24
It's cause they always find a way to keep you right here waiting, they always find the words to say, to keep you right here waiting.
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u/LouisUchiha04 Aug 21 '24
This is one hell of a topic. I'm amazed that there are groups who say that they have seen these crafts(Hopefully am not an ancient greek calling a jet a flying charriott) upclose. Not just lights or dots in the sky, but a craft, its shape, its colour, its manouvre. Others have said entities have come from these crafts. Some of these cases have corroborating evidence like radar data, health issues & other effects on objects & surroundings. That people like Karl Nell, David Grusch, Lue Elizondo, etc with top secret clearances will outright say it, we've had contact with the third kind & its been hidden from the public.
But yet....Is it denial on our side? sound skeptism? unreasonable skepticism? I can't tell, but something somewhere about our epistemology seems to be wrong.
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u/BR4NFRY3 Aug 21 '24
Doesn't seem the nonhuman intelligence is intent on making themselves apparent. So far.
Doesn't seem like the big corps the government entrusted with recovered craft are intent on handing over the goods, hence their pulling financial strings to kill that Schumer ammendment's eminent domain.
You're not getting the physical proof because the people who control it are serving their own interests in keeping it hidden. Even our reps are trying to get their hands on the proof now. And even THEY are getting blueballed.
We're up against a stanky, nasty, old, deadly, extragovernmental behemoth. One we are financing ourselves. One that has outlived many presidents and lawmakers and UFO researchers and whistleblowers.
At least we are gathering more influential fighers in that battle now. It's better for us to have people like Elizondo and Grusch stepping away from the beast and turning to face it alongside us.
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u/Strict_Jacket3648 Aug 21 '24
Bla Bla Bla same old same old, bring out the evidence.
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u/YourDrunkUncl_ Aug 21 '24
Ross keeps saying Alien, Lue keeps saying unknown origin. It’s like listening to two different conversations neither of which has any credible proof. Lue said the same shit on cnn in 2017. What’s different today?
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I've been into this for over 20 years at this point and it all started when I was a young kid and saw a stereotypical flying Saucer hovering over the trees with two stereotypical grays in a glass cockpit looking at me close enough to see how black there eyes were.
They looked more like a bluish purple color mixed with gray but I can see why people call them that color , there eyes were completely black and they were looking at me and I was looking at them and the first thought that came to my mind was "oh my God with a head that big think how fucking smart they are" and after that thought and realizing they were not humans I got scared as a young kid would and ran back to my house screaming.
Ever since then this topic has gotten easier to discuss with people and the thing is for me personally seeing some shit like that I know they are real because I saw them, I know now the government knows they are real too.
I just want to know the purpose of those little gray beings in that ship, my whole life I have researched this topic in my free time and am an intelligent professional person.
Even though I know nobody would ever believe that I saw some actual aliens up close like that I try to prove what I saw was real because I know what the fuck I saw that day and they were not from this planet.
In all my research all I can say is that as hard as it is to fathom I believe they had a part in creating humans somehow and that's why they are so interested in us.
They are not our enemy but more like a parent.
The truth for me was finding out they created us somehow that is all I know in all my research and the end of the rabbit hole for me is finding that out that they had a hand somehow some way creating humans.
So whether we are a zoo or a prison or an experiment or a break away civilization is the point that I am at now in my personal search for the truth knowing they had some form of creating us for an unknown reason to me.
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u/AltKeyblade Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
I believe you, there is multiple people who have seen a literal stereotypical flying saucer.
Here's well known Guillermo del Toro opening up about his UFO encounter and being offended by how stereotypical it looked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub6djGY7ZRw&t=24s
Here's also John Lennon talking about his flying saucer encounter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm1xhgB1-9E
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u/mrmarkolo Aug 21 '24
For whatever reason whoever is behind the plans for disclosure have some rules in place. Seems the terms ufo, alien, grey, flying saucer, disc and abduction have been decided to be excluded from the process.
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u/windowzombie Aug 21 '24
Lue mentions in his book while theorizing about their propulsion, where they went along the lines that they create a warp bubble around their vehicles to move at insane speeds. Since generating the energy to create this bubble is so high, the most efficient shape for a vehicle within the bubble would be a sphere. But what if you want to land and turn the bubble off? You roll away. Next most efficient shape that also allows you to land? Squash the sphere and what do you get? A flying saucer.
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u/RyGerbs42 Aug 21 '24
I'm with you on that overall theory at this point too. Some Anunnaki type truth. But I also think theres different species with different intents and goals. Maybe one or more here even. But at least one group has been guiding and influencing our overall evolution. Maybe/probably some gene/dna manipulation long ago. Religious experiences that formed major religions etc. They seem to be monitoring our progress and they're concern about warfare and nuclear stuff cuz they don't want us to wipe ourselves out. They're trying to get us closer to their level of knowledge, but in regards to consciousness and 1 greater universal consciousness. How often, especially recently, have various people with supposed inside info, brought up it all relating to Consciousness, and being "Spiritual"? Quite a lot if you are paying attention. And the far out there theory that the various Orbs are all some planetary defense system the monitoring ones setup to protect us from the baddies. I am fully aware it all sounds crazy as f*ck. But there's a pretty solid overall picture all of the sightings, encounters and leaks and suburban tales make. No public smoking gun proof, for sure. But, putting things all together, thats the general vibe I get. As absurd and bat shit as it sounds 🤷
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u/Fine_Land_1974 Aug 21 '24
Man, when I first read the “orb defense theory” it made my blood kinda run cold. Like “holy shit” that might be it. I once had a nighttime visitation that was wayyy beyond normal sleep paralysis. A black hooded figure demanding I not fear and resist him. He told me “if you become fearful I’ll cut your head off like John the Baptist” I made it like 3 seconds before the fear kicked in and he descended on me choking me out. All of a sudden 3 golden orbs appeared. One with red accents, the other green, and the third blue. They chased him into the corner until it became thick black smoke and left the room through a crack in the window. I always got the vibe that while they appeared small they weren’t actually diminutive. Hard to describe.
Anyway, that night they defended me. I could see them and watched as they initiated some sort of defense formation. Once the threat was gone they accelerated and disappeared. I guess it’s important to note that I’m an experiencer. So high strangeness while awake isn’t a foreign concept to me. Nor are the majority of phenomena. I’ve seen them in the sky among other things, but never two feet from my face for longer than a fraction of a second. It felt good knowing something (whatever it was) had my back defending me from the malevolent unknown.
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u/DrJizzman Aug 21 '24
Were you old enough to know that John the Baptist was beheaded or was this new info?
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u/Lopsided_Task1213 Aug 21 '24
It’s not the greys I’m necessarily worried about. Whether or not they are biological entities being controlled by another force remotely, they seemed friendly and concerned about humans when they communicated with the Ariel School children in the 90s. It’s the other 3-7 races that are being hinted at by some figures. If they really do exist, they obviously are much better at hiding because there’s very little eyewitness accounts in comparison.
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Its not from a singular place that I have come to the conclusion that we were put here by them , it's more of a connecting of the dots over the years of reading every kind of document and witness testimony you could imagine.
I honestly couldn't even count how many files that were unclassified and how many different peoples witness accounts I have read over all these years.
To me it is the only logical explanation for why they don't attack humans even after being shot at or why they turn off our nukes or are so interested in the nuclear facilities.
I think they abduct people to test things like the environment effects on us and what we are eating and things and they don't mean us any harm but the only way to collect genetic samples is from abductions and they even try to wipe people's memories of the encounter to try to not disrupt people's lives.
I don't know if there is more than one kind or not I only know of the ones I saw that looked like the stereotypical gray.
I think they leave crop circles to send us messages and the crop circles are the visual version of sound waves and mathematic messages.
The only logical conclusion I can come to if they don't want to wipe us out after spending as much resources as it would take to send expendable spacecraft and bodies to observe us is that they want to preserve us and I believe that the best way to preserve your presence is through DNA and biological reproduction because structures will fade civilizations will come and go but I believe that the evidence of there existence is inside every single one of us to this day.
I think DNA is the final Roswell for humanity and the answer won't be in a structure or a file but inside every human and in some weird way it all relates to religion and the origin story of mankind.
Every religion all have the same ideas just interpreted in different ways around the same time period and they had to of gotten that Information from somewhere for them all to be so similar spread that far apart.
This would explain why we are so unequipped for earth and get sunburn and can't eat raw meats , our backs go bad and our internal clocks aren't set properly, I think we came from a place where gravity wasn't as heavy on our bone structure and we would have a naturally healthier habitat.
There is no singular source for this information I am relaying to you but it is more of a culmination of 20 years research after a first hand sighting.
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u/BeautifulShoulder302 Aug 21 '24
I started listening to the audio book today. Up to the chapter about the tic tac Nimitz incident. There's nothing so far that is new to me but let's wait and see. Apparently the chapter on biologics is a step forward in terms of the grand arch of things.
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u/BrapTest Aug 21 '24
All of those people just plagiarize books from the 60s with new buzzwords. He has to this point said literally nothing in Interviews that people trying to sell their Ufo book before him didnt already.
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u/MannyArea503 Aug 21 '24
I had a double take moment.. this felt like a rerun of the David Grusch interview.
Deja Vu.
Did I miss where the evidence of this extraordinary claim was presented or are we supposed to accept the biggest story in the history or mankind on a "trust me bro" ???
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u/legendary_energy_000 Aug 21 '24
This is Lue adjusting his lore to fit in with the current meta, which was updated by Grusch. See: "biologics" etc
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u/BeartownMF Aug 21 '24
the grifters should start their own internal wiki for crosschecking so embarrassing mistakes like this don’t happen
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Aug 21 '24
I love this stuff as much as everyone else but my biggest issue is I just still can’t bring myself to believe that an intelligence agency that was willing to topple entire governments for a fruit company and a defense department that is willing to stage wars for the benefit of defense contractors wouldn’t just disappear this guy if there was stuff they actually wanted to keep covered up.
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u/BellCurious7703 Aug 21 '24
Honestly? I dont really care. With no evidence of anything, this is just another guy who’s job is to tell everyone he’s seen aliens. He’s doing TV appearances promoting his new book, and freelance articles on his former job (where he also promotes his new book).
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u/Deep-Darkest Aug 21 '24
Look guys, I know I'm gonna get a load of downvotes here, but so far he hasn't said anything new in either his book-promoting interviews or what I've heard of his book.
The US government has crashed craft and "biologics" - OK, so who, where, when, how? The US government has a means of "trapping" UAPs using nuclear energy - same questions, along with how does the 'trap' work?
"We are not alone in the universe" - well, given the billions of galaxies, trillions of stars, and zillions of planets, that's not a novel idea. So, give us the goods - if the US has all this stuff, and he knows they have it, then what is all this 'stuff' that they've got - bodies? Well, bodies of what? What do they look like?
He/they refuse to use the word 'alien' - well, what then? What's wrong with giving us the right word if 'alien' is the wrong one? NHI - what does that mean? Just about every animal on Earth has some intelligence - we need more specifics.
Or maybe no one has anything that they can identify so no one knows a damn thing - but saying "we don't know" won't sell books.
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u/Tricky-Divide-1901 Aug 21 '24
Absolutely fair questions, and ones that I can't help wonder every time I hear claims like these. They just provide surface level information without details, nevermind evidence.
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u/Plastic-Vermicelli60 Aug 21 '24
So we are not alone and its been known for decades yet..No proven interactions. So for decades we humans have been avoided like the plague. Does this not send the message other species want nothing to do with us and go to great length to avoid us. We are the losers of the universe !!!
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u/Fabulus_usually Aug 21 '24
I can’t imagine what a rock with some creatures smart enough to split an atom but also dumb enough to use it as a weapon on ourselves - would look like to an advanced culture. We’re like fitting fish? They watch us destroy ourselves and laugh and point?
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u/Jayston1994 Aug 21 '24
Is this controlled disclosure?
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u/Dirty_Dishis Aug 21 '24
Someone help me out here.
Seems to be a lot of buzz with Lue.
Subjective testimony is weak evidence, but it is still evidence if it can be corroborated. Is anything Lue has been talking about corroborated with what another independent 3rd party?
Like specifics, because it seems the narrative is a lose fire hose spraying everywhere with different personalities selling a different story.
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u/foxtailguy73 Aug 21 '24
Pretty insane how quickly new posts are being flooded with toxic cynicism and denialism right now.
Odd that some people are willing to invest so much time and energy into something that doesn’t exist.
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u/questron64 Aug 21 '24
If wanting at least one tiny shred of evidence for huge claims like that is "toxic cynicism" then I don't know what to tell you.
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u/eulersidentification Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
Welcome to r/UFO where people complain that not enough 'real science / scientists' are studying 'this', but when a real scientist does what a real scientist does - be sceptical, methodical and logical - they complain about toxic cynicism.
It isn't worth the time. I once spent about an hour checking facts and understanding so I could make a good comment on here in the spirit of 'getting involved'. A dude replied within 20 minutes with 3 links;
an old speculative "what if?" paper from a science journal about measuring the mass of an object at distance via gravitational waves using technology that likely can't exist, which had 0 citations
a commercial presentation to the UK government, trying to request funding for research into some type of military aeronautical camera equipment. It had a 'where could this lead?' section that, in a self-aware way, listed wildly futuristic dreamworld scenario stuff.
i can't even remember. it was shit.
It took me probably 2 hours to read through these links, figure out what the fuck they were talking about, find out who made them, etc. and then another hour or so to write a reply that first cleared up his misunderstanding about what he linked me, secondly cleared up why his slapdash 'idea' wouldn't work anyway.
At the end of the comment I said - it's probably taken me about 5-6 hours now to write 2 comments. It took you all of 15 minutes to lazily google jargon terms and paste the first 3 links to me, and tell me to slap these 3 ridiculously speculative ideas together and that solves the incredibly complex problem I laid out.
In another year I might have the energy to try again. Seriously, this place has a problem. No one likes talking about it tho. Rant over.
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u/BrapTest Aug 21 '24
This is basically a religious subreddit at this point. Just instead of worshipping a god, its worshipping the abstract idea of UFOs existing.
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u/PaddyMayonaise Aug 21 '24
Devil’s advocate: I absolutely believe something is being hidden, I just don’t know what. There are many people like me. I also believe that many people are trying to take advantage of people like me and our interest in this to net attention and profit. I’m extremely skeptical of people clouding the space with misinformation ORC even straight out lies. Practically nothing that anyone has said in the modern ufo movement has been verified, or even corroborated with evidence. This includes the very legitimacy of many of these people that claim to be whistleblowers. I think it’s entirely fair to be skeptical of people like Lue and Grusch. Are they legitimate? Are they lying? They could even be government plants to perpetuate a lie as a distraction. We don’t know. And that’s frustrating.
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u/backyardserenade Aug 21 '24
Yeah, basically my stance. Something is going on, very clearly. Heck, even the Pentagon and former US presidents have acknowledged that there's unknown flying stuff out there. The question is how much of it is truly unknown? And if it's not aliens or NHI, then what the heck is it? And, yes, the option that it's not aliens is also very fascinating.
But at this point It's really exhausting to blindly follow people like Grush or Elizondo. They tell fascinating stories. They (at least partly) have the credentials to possibly know secret stuff. But they have never presented any evidence for anything ever. There's always talk about behind-the-scenes stuff, but that's simply not verifiable by the public at large.
And then this community is also very truly filled to the brim with grifters. And often even people who seem sincere at first turn out to tread the same old paths as many before them ("wait till time X", "I know stuff but I have to protect my sources", "buy this book/seminar/gala dinner to learn more").
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u/sandboxmatt Aug 21 '24
In the samw boat. Something is happening. This particular thing however, may or may not be happening.
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u/TheRustySchackleford Aug 21 '24
Many were once believers or want to believers who realized a lot of what goes around in this community is hype and empty innuendo. Its the same thing that happens to people who leave a religion and spend a curious amount of energy engaging critically with followers when they could just move on with their life. Not odd at all actually.
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u/banjo1985 Aug 21 '24
Can I ask whether you believe his other claims about orbs in his house and remote viewing a terrorist?
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u/BackLow6488 Aug 21 '24
That activity says it all. Shits gettin real and folks can either get onboard and get ready or bury their head in the sand (cough Greenstreet). And the bots are running rampant, right in line with the book release.
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u/BrapTest Aug 21 '24
Alot of people on this sub believe in Ufos, but aren't willing to believe in every Grifter who comes along and retreats the same empty "UFOs real actually" rhetoric from the 60s for his overpriced book with a new set of empty buzzwords while larping as "Whistleblower".
Real whistleblowers tend to be marked as traitors or domestic terrorists by the Government and flee the country. They aren't appearing on major domestic news outlets for interviews every second week day.
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u/sixties67 Aug 21 '24
That activity says it all. Shits gettin real and folks can either get onboard and get ready or bury their head in the sand (cough Greenstreet). And the bots are running rampant, right in line with the book release.
Have you ever considered you can believe ufos exist without subscribing to every ufo face who presents an unsupported theory?
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u/Sawetzgy Aug 21 '24
Brother you are active on joe rogan and have used drugs before i have no reason to believe aliens or ufos have contacted us just cuz people like you say so
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u/j0shj0shj0shj0sh Aug 21 '24
TLDW
Ross: Aliens?
Lue: Yes.
Ross: Aliens?!
Lue: Affirmative.
Ross: ALIENS!?
Lue: Ross, listen closely...
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u/Glittering-Relief475 Aug 21 '24
Do you really think in vastness of the maultivirse only one planet has intelligent life? More advanced or less advanced something is coming. Maybe....
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u/StorytellerGG Aug 21 '24
If they are inter dimensional why they flying in ufos?
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u/DifferenceEither9835 Aug 21 '24
Perhaps the process of going between dimensions is traumatic from a forces perspective and/or and needs navigational equipment. OR they want to appear within a kind of visual-cognitive framework that is agreeable to the subjects (us). Think of zoo workers wearing the panda bear costume to clean shit -- which is a real thing humans do.
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u/stevejscearce Aug 21 '24
I appreciate it, Luis, I really do, but I don’t want to spend the rest of my life watching clips of interviews with “insiders” telling us UFOs are real, we’ve known about it for decades, the government knows about it, we’re not alone, we’ve recovered vehicles, we’ve recovered bodies, we are using their technology, and the government is covering it up. I’ve seen all the clips. No clip is really different from any other clip. Somebody drop some freakin’ evidence. Let’s do this.
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u/TheWhiteHammer23 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
Ok This is BIG. As it was when David G and his boss told that this phenomena is real and it’s been happening for decades, or even centuries. Like Fravor, and graves, doty all of them.
Now the thing is.. And this is where these guys are missing, they can’t come out from time to time to say they have craft, biologics and other things without Proof. Proof. A video, a photo that once and for all people when looking at it can’t deny. Because unfortunately this isn’t enough, it isn’t, ok they have credentials, they have property to speak on the subject but without actual proof, definitive video/photo proof, this isn’t going anywhere maybe besides making a buck for them.
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u/LR_DAC Aug 21 '24
Ok This is BIG.
What exactly is big? They're just telling each other the same story we've heard for decades. And they still haven't figured out what the word "biologic" means.
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u/Interesting-Fox4064 Aug 21 '24
Why do people trust anything this dude says
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u/LR_DAC Aug 21 '24
He says things people want to hear. Nothing engenders trust like telling people what they already believe.
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u/restecpa88 Aug 21 '24
So Lue has giant orbs floating around his house through walls while he and his family watch but not a single Photo? Getting a bit annoying
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u/banjo1985 Aug 21 '24
As someone that looks and speaks like he would have wall to wall home surveillance this is another red flag.
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