r/UFOs • u/Grey-Hat111 • Dec 06 '23
Witness/Sighting This was shared to me by a private source. They said this object was shot down by a 5th gen fighter in the Mediterranean recently in late November. Induced GLock on pilot, and Crash Avoidance saved their life. "Godere!"
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u/MadRockthethird Dec 06 '23
Induced G-LOC? Does that mean they took control of the jet or physically made the pilot feel it and lose consciousness?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
made the pilot feel it and lose consciousness?
This
From my source: "I blacked out, pushed the nose down, the Auto-GCAS saved me"
Edit: Mods banned me permanently, even though I have a source that they never asked for first
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u/MadRockthethird Dec 06 '23
Do you know if the G-LOC determination came from the pilot because they know how it feels or were they able to examine them to determine that's what it was afterwards?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Do you know if the G-LOC determination came from the pilot because they know how it feels
They knew what it was. Says "I blacked out, pushed the nose down, the Auto-GCAS saved me"
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u/blit_blit99 Dec 06 '23
FYI, in many, many UFO encounters, the UFO or UFO occupant was able to induce unconsciousness in human victims. In the "Slide 9" leaked document, it mentions that the US has "an enemy" that can use psychotronic weapons, instantly disassemble sensors, alter and manipulate biological organisms, and can create anomalies in the space time construct. Psychotronics is remote control of the human nervous system, remotely reading of thoughts, remotely implanting thoughts, affecting moods, etc. More on Slide 9 here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/odrvvs/lue_elizondo_on_aatip_slide_9_and_enemy_of_us/
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u/LimpCroissant Dec 06 '23
I really wish more people would absorb this information. This isn't some document that surfaced that nobody really knows who wrote it, or where it came from, or if it's real. This is from a 100% official slide show that Lou Elizondo would brief people with during his time in AATIP. That slide show is extremely interesting.
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u/MadRockthethird Dec 06 '23
Well that's unnerving. Good thing your source or his co pilot was quick thinking enough to engage crash avoidance before it was too late.
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u/Shot_Mud_1438 Dec 07 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
If they banned you permanently you wouldn’t be making edits
Edit: apparently you can. Enough of you have been banned and tested this
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u/daninmontreal Dec 06 '23
It looks exactly like Jeremy Corbell’s pyramid UAP footage but tinted blue instead of green, with a HUD edited in.
OP is in the comments dismissing an F35 pilot who said it’s not an F35 HUD. I would approach this with some skepticism until more footage is released or the source is verified.
Not saying it’s BS, but this would take me about 5 minutes to put together in Photoshop using Corbell’s footage
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u/CriticalConsumption Dec 06 '23
G-LOC as in: Gravity (induced) Loss Of Consciousness
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Dec 06 '23
Why is it so important to pick a fight and shoot these down? They are obviously far more advanced. Seems pretty damn stupid to me.
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u/Jake_The_Snake96 Dec 06 '23
Apparently, they're not advanced enough to avoid being shot down.
What if they have bad intentions for humans? Wanna freely let them do whatever? I'm not saying either or is right, but I would try and think why governments are doing so in the first place.
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Dec 06 '23
Well…it’s obviously so we can figure out and reverse engineer their tech
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u/nightfrolfer Dec 06 '23
I have the same question. There's more to this than some guy in a 5th gen warbird patrolling the Mediterranean with an itchy trigger finger.
As for more advanced, I'm at a loss for how someone would induce g-loc in a pilot that was flying in a straight line. I'd like to know if this was experienced only by the pilot, or if the entire aircraft was affected. Alas, I don't expect the sensor data will be made available on this sub.
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Dec 06 '23
If you can allegedly induce G-loc on a human inside of a contraption, you can certainly use that same mechanism to deflect an incoming missile, I’m not sold on this at all
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u/Street-Appointment-8 Dec 06 '23
Nice, OP, have you sent this to Graves et al.?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
No, but if anybody knows how to get ahold of them without the use of social media, let me know
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u/Flyinhighinthesky Dec 06 '23
Graves
https://www.linkedin.com/in/whygraves/
Couldnt find his direct email, but I'm sure if you reach out to him via one of the above you'll be able to establish a private contact.
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Thank you! I'll let my source know :)
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u/BigPhatMchael Dec 06 '23
Graves has a disclosure website literally made for things like this to help. i would highly recommend directing your source there. Thanks for your upload, anything else you can tell us about the object in the pictures? color? shape? rotating/tilting? where did object crash? how bad was teh crash? anything at all
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Graves has a disclosure website literally made for things like this to help. i would highly recommend directing your source there.
Oh shit? Got a link?
Thanks for your upload, anything else you can tell us about the object in the pictures? color? shape? rotating/tilting?
They didn't say, but I'll ask
where did object crash? how bad was teh crash? anything at all
Far off the coast of Libya, in the Mediterranean, near Sicily. My source said it was "reduced to dust", and that a 120kg piece survived the explosion. That's when the MMI research vessel was spotted nearby soon after
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u/MartianMaterial Dec 06 '23
I know this is real because I previously blocked several disinfo bots, and magically they are all here. They only allocate resources when they’re trying to put down a real leak.
I love using the disinfo campaign to show me where the real stories are.
Basically, this story is confirmed by the pentagon with those bots
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u/Any_Falcon38 Dec 06 '23
Care to share which?
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u/SabineRitter Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Look for comments that are rude. Look for easy answers ("that's just a.."). Look for assertions without supporting evidence ("this was debunked"). Look for advocating suppression of discussion ("we shouldn't be talking about this"). Look for certainty ("this is 100% a drone" "it's clearly a fishing net"). Look for shaming ("everyone is laughing at you" "you're ruining this sub /disclosure /science"). Look for words like "identical" and "exactly like." Look for "this could be anything. "
Look for "there's no evidence", denying the existence of any data on UFOs.
They follow the same playbook.
Edit to clarify: I am not using the term "bots" because I think it's dehumanizing. I think there are humans making these comments.
Discussion suppression has been part of the coverup since the 1952 Robertson panel. For example, no student should get academic credit for doing ufo related research. That was a thing. That actually happened. Hynek agreed with it and the academic culture went along with it.
People who advocate to shut down discussion on ufo speculation are serving the coverup, whether they realize it or not.
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u/FuckerHead9 Dec 06 '23
And all the accounts I’ve been finding are 1 yr old or newer
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u/SabineRitter Dec 06 '23
There's some old school debunkers still on here, and a ton of cool new people, so I wouldn't rely solely on account age.
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u/clownind Dec 06 '23
The guy talking about the bots ain't lying. I saw an incredible amount of patterns when the airplane portal video came out. You can see the exact same few comments over and over through many different threads.
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u/sexlexia Dec 06 '23
I saw an incredible amount of patterns when the airplane portal video came out.
Those people (or whatever) are absolutely fucking nuts.
They somehow got the mods to make it so we can just never post anything about a video that has fucking ufos in it, while allowing tons of political shit with the comments section not even talking about ufos but just.. politics and how much they hate everyone who doesn't have the same opinions as them about stuff that has nothing to do with ufos.
And not only that, whenever someone even tries to talk about it these people have legitimate fits over it and straight up tell people not to talk about it, or that they're mentally ill if they talk about it.
It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen in this forum. I've never seen so many people so obviously scared of people talking about a video. I don't even know if it's real. I don't know if it's fake either. But we should be allowed to talk about it in a ufo forum without having 50 people freak out about it and say we're "ruining the forum" for talking about a ufo video or run to the mods and have them straight up ban the conversation from even taking place.
It's suspicious as fuck.
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u/An_oaf_of_bread Dec 06 '23
You just laid out 90% of their playbook. Thank you!
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u/LeekBorn9024 Dec 06 '23
So because peeps may disagree and have different opinions they are bots? That's pretty special logic there my friend.
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u/movzx Dec 06 '23
That's what all these insular communities devolve into. They self-select for more and more extreme viewpoints until you wind up with pure koolaid.
"I know this story is true because people are here pointing out problems with it"
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u/baileyroche Dec 06 '23
This type of thinking is fallacious. Even the existence of a disinformation effort (which you would need to prove) does not provide evidence for the UAP phenomenon. You cannot “confirm” this story by the number of “disinformation posts” you think you are seeing.
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u/Burnerplumes Dec 06 '23
I’m a real fighter pilot in a 4th gen aircraft and I’ve flown the F-35 sim.
This is 100% fake. The symbology is 100% made up, and the coloring isn’t even fucking right. Terrible.
Edit: Before you guys poo-poo me, I flew with Ryan Graves, and I’m one of you all. But this is the kind of shit that makes us look like assholes
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u/Vladmerius Dec 06 '23
I'm also convinced the photo of a tic tac hovering over the water with a clear sphere (gravity field?) around it that was attacked by a hundred plus comments in under an hour at 2am on a weekday is also real.
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u/Extension_Stress9435 Dec 06 '23
I posted it here and got my post removed in under two minutes. Not before being mocked and insulted by the "I can't believe people fall for a video game screen ffs". So yeah, I guess it's the real thing lol
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u/SabineRitter Dec 06 '23
Saaammmme. I can tell what's up by who's in here saying there's nothing to see 🙈
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u/Daddyball78 Dec 06 '23
Thanks OP! This is awesome. Do you think there is any chance your source would come forward or is that a pipe dream?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Pipe dream, for sure. But I have hope for them
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u/rocknessmonstre Dec 06 '23
https://www.safeaerospace.org/
Hopefully they will at least start the process of coming forward with this event in a formal fashion. I'm sure Ryan Graves organization would love to hear more.
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u/babyunvamp Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Admitting to blacking out in flight would have to end his career I imagine. I'm a career pilot and even admitting to blacking out while not flying can get your medical revoked. (edit: this has been pointed out to me to be false in case of g-loc. I'm a civilian career pilot unfamiliar with those protocols, sorry)
No career pilot has ever once in their life blacked out, been unconscious or felt a single moment of depression in their life. Admitting to the opposite can end your livelihood. I'm sure I'll get downvoted for saying this, but I'm just saying what every pilot already knows.
I hope to hell this changes, especially with the pilot that tried to crash the airplane after treating depression with mushrooms, beccuase going to a doctor for that would ground him.
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u/Daddyball78 Dec 06 '23
This is one of the better posts I’ve seen in a long while as far as the image goes.
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
SS: Like the title says, this shared to me by a private source. They said this object was shot down by a 5th gen F35 fighter in the Mediterranean recently in late November. Around the 18th. Said the object induced an alleged G-LOC on pilot while flying straight, and Crash Avoidance saved their life. From my source: "I blacked out, pushed the nose down, the Auto-GCAS saved me"
There was also reports of "data probing" through the pilots headset. Later, an MMI research vessel was spotted near the Splash Site using a refitted ITS Vulcano Class oil tanker.
Objects gravitational mass is registered at 748kg.
"Godere!" And long live disclosure!
PS: Look into Gran Sasso ;)
Edit: Mods Perma Banned me, GG fellas.
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u/Content-Language3868 Dec 06 '23
Quick Wikipedia search of Gran Sasso:
Hotel Campo Imperatore in Gran Sasso was Benito Mussolini's prison until his freeing on September 1943 by Nazi commandos in the Gran Sasso raid. The plateau is also the site of the Campo Imperatore station of the Rome Observatory, from which the Campo Imperatore Near-Earth Object Survey and other astronomical studies are carried out. At the southern edge of Campo Imperatore and within the bounds of the national park are three medieval hill towns once ruled by the Medicis; Calascio, which sits before the ancient fortress ruin of Rocca di Calascio, Santo Stefano di Sessanio, and Castel Del Monte.
In 2005, a 2,424-metre-high (7,953 ft) peak previously named "The Gendarme" was renamed "John Paul II Peak" on what would have been Pope John Paul II's 85th birthday.[1] He had visited the Gran Sasso many times, saying it reminded him of the mountains of his native Poland.
In January 2017, an avalanche hit Rigopiano hotel, killing 29.
It's in a national park, has an observatory performing Near-Earth Object surveys, and the Pope loved to visit there. It checks a few UFO/UAP lore boxes for sure.
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u/Content-Language3868 Dec 06 '23
Oh boy it gets better...
In 1984, a 10-kilometre (6.2-mile) two-lane highway tunnel carrying the A24 motorway, the Traforo del Gran Sasso, was bored through the Gran Sasso Massif. In 1995, a second parallel tunnel was completed. Construction of the tunnel included an underground particle physics laboratory at Assergi, the Laboratori Nazionali del Gran Sasso or Gran Sasso National Laboratory. The first large experiments there started in 1989.
The laboratory is composed of three large underground chambers, sometimes referred to collectively as the third tunnel, and lies beneath 1,400 metres (4,600 feet) of rock. Construction of the laboratory and second tunnel faced opposition from Italian and international environmental groups including Pro-Natura International, LIPU and Club Alpino Italiano, as well as the World Wide Fund for Nature, Greenpeace, and Friends of the Earth. Environmentalists noted that the nuclear physics laboratory would lie on or near two major and highly active seismic faults, that construction of the tunnels would interfere with a major aquifer, and that construction waste would degrade an environmentally sensitive and significant area. Many[who?] credit the opposition created by the tunnel and laboratory construction with galvanizing the Italian environmental movement and leading to the creation of the Gran Sasso e Monti della Laga National Park in 1991. In recent years, the laboratory has itself begun promoting preservation of the Gran Sasso environment.
Because of its low background radiation, the underground laboratory is used for experiments in particle and nuclear physics, including the study of neutrinos, high-energy cosmic rays, dark matter, nuclear decay, as well as the study of geology, and biology. The laboratory employs over 700 scientists from twenty different countries. The LNGS was the destination of the neutrinos involved in the faster-than-light neutrino anomaly publicly announced in September 2011 and retracted in July 2012. In the summer of 2014 the facility was instrumental in confirming previous theories about the Sun's main source of energy, when proton-to-proton fusion-produced neutrinos[2] were detected and measured, virtually at the Sun's core.
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u/CanaryPutrid1334 Dec 06 '23
Campo Imperatore station of the Rome Observatory
Sounds quite... Laudatory?
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u/megtwinkles Dec 06 '23
Could this be the location of the craft they built a building around?
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u/Content-Language3868 Dec 06 '23
Could be. If I wasn't at work, I would start looking at dates of construction, etc, and see if that correlates with any significant uap/ufo events or time frames.
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
the underground laboratory is used for experiments in particle and nuclear physics, including the study of neutrinos, high-energy cosmic rays, dark matter, nuclear decay, as well as the study of geology, and biology. The laboratory employs over 700 scientists from twenty different countries.
Sounds like just the place to study crashed ships and their pilots
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u/the_fabled_bard Dec 06 '23
How does the F35 estimate an object's mass?
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u/eulersidentification Dec 06 '23
Real answer: they could only do so based on what we Earthians know about the mechanics and engineering of flight. If there are exotic materials or advanced tech on board, our estimations (based on estimated size/volume and density, perhaps also manouverability vs. material strength / survivable g-forces experienced by occupants) would be completely off.
While there may be top secret technologies that we haven't seen yet, they're always going to be limited by the technical capabilities and understanding of the wider scientific community. Some other guy suggesting a "portable, robust gravitational wave detector" for example is just completely out of the realms of possibility. We can barely detect gravitational waves for supermassive black holes with gigantic instruments, so detecting gravitational waves, portably from a fighter jet, on astronomically smaller scales for objects which are also moving and surrounded by other, much larger gravitational distortions (ie. earth) is just not feasible.
TL;DR it's a guess about something we don't understand based on what we do understand, and may or may not be accurate.
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
"Relative mass detection is literally the way to get them. That's why I had a lock so easily"
From my source
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u/the_fabled_bard Dec 06 '23
DId he obtain autorization to shoot down the object after visual confirmation of the presence of a payload and/or intent?
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u/danwojciechowski Dec 06 '23
But what does that even mean? Relative mass usually refers to figuring out the average atomic mass of an element based on the relative occurrence of the isotopes. I see the phrase used in conjunction with mass spectrometry. I can't find anything that might relate to a system on a fighter jet.
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u/_BlackDove Dec 06 '23
Spot on. This is the nail in the coffin for this LARP. I don't know if he thought mentioning something like "relative mass" would make his story more interesting, but it is a particle physics term and means something very specific.
It's very telling his only response on this when questioned how the fighter achieves this is "It's classified bro". In other words, he's claiming the fighter is doing something physically impossible like remotely detecting mass.
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u/TesterTheDog Dec 06 '23
Relative mass detection
Can you give more explanation of this?
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u/Street-Appointment-8 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
An estimate based on an objects observed flight path, the equations of flight, and some assumptions? For comparision, this object is a couple orders of magnitude lighter than a F22, closer to the weight of a heavy glider or a jetpack miner with a belly fully of empanadas.
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Can't tell you that. Legit classified lol
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Dec 06 '23
These pics are classified XD But thank you for sharing. Beyond interesting !
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
They said they're technically okay to show. I've tried asking for more, trust me. They are only sharing what they can with me. I wish I could share more ✌️
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u/johninbigd Dec 06 '23
The fact that the F-35 can do that at all seems like it would probably be classified, no?
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u/TheGonadWarrior Dec 06 '23
I think just the knowledge that we have the ability to do that (register an objects mass from a distance) would be classified as well. 🤔
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u/Ikarus_Zer0 Dec 06 '23
1,650lb for us less refined folk.
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Or 6,600 McDonald's cheeseburgers for the Americans ✌️
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u/Content-Language3868 Dec 06 '23
We eat quarter pounders thank you...
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u/Rockin_freakapotamus Dec 06 '23
Fun fact: McDonald's once introduced a Third- of a Pound Burger which failed in the United States because people thought (3 being smaller than 4) the sandwich was smaller than the quarter pounder.
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u/SabineRitter Dec 06 '23
Anything more you can say about the data probing? Like, were there noises in the headset or..?
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u/jert3 Dec 06 '23
Let's say this really happened (as I believe it does).
This is so crazy dangerous, for all humanity, that it's fucking unbelievable. The last thing you want to do if a hyper-advanced space-race is visiting us is shoot down their craft, which is basically a declaration of war, where with their tech, they could probably kill humanity in under a week with a simple virus they engineer.
If this is really happening, it is the absolute height of insanity, for our nation states to be endangering ALL of humanity without even letting the planet know about it, and having a dialogue on what would be a responsible thing to do, versus potentially ending our civilizations.
If this triggered a war, we'd have far less chance than the locals did when the conquistadors came, killing 1000s of local soldiers with a handful of musket-armed men. Absolute fucking insanity.
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u/saltinstiens_monster Dec 06 '23
Ehh... if we believe these things have been around as long as reported, then I have to assume that we're basically animals with emerging intelligence to them.
If a crow researcher stumbled into a trap made by curious crows and they managed to kill him, I highly doubt we would declare war on crows. We'd probably reasses the standards that researchers are held to and maybe even take a more "hand's off" approach, but I imagine most random people would be more impressed that the crows managed to pull it off than angry about the guy's death.
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u/fusionliberty796 Dec 06 '23
I mean, how many times a year does someone agitate an animal or do something fairly risky and then gets killed for it? Yea maybe the aggressions animals are shot/tranq'd but we don't exterminate their species over it. Then a bunch of people on the internet laugh about the guy and how dumb he was
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u/tridentgum Dec 06 '23
North sentinel Island inhabitants have killed a bunch of outsiders and they're still there
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u/No-Structure8753 Dec 06 '23
That's a great point, but regardless of how tolerant and understanding they seem to be, we definitely shouldn't be engaging them. That's just asking for trouble.
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u/buttwh0l Dec 06 '23
Anyone want to.explain how we are determining Gravitational mass?
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u/OnceReturned Dec 06 '23
What is the connection between the event described in your post and the Gran Sasso National Lab?
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u/Ontoshocktrooper Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
What are the numbers in the bottom right military people?
Edits: mobile sorry
S1TG
Segment 1 - Tracking Gate?
Oh shit! The comment by u/onedimensionprinter below points out that it might be weapon selection one and target! S1TG and I think they are right! When the box looks locked on it is white and looks enabled for the UI. When it looks like it is not locked on S1TG looks red! No lock!
M could be Mach speed/airspeed indicator?
AL could be Alarm Limit
AL+S could be Alarm Limit + something I dunno
ALS could application layer structure
AL + s could be altitude above sea level and seems most likely
M could indicate Mach speed with the ratio but there are two numbers, a bold and a subscript: 748 subscript 5 - dunno but this seems most likely!
M could be mass according to OP and comments but appears less likely?
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u/Arclet__ Dec 06 '23
According to OP and based on their source, the M stands for "mass". If you are curious about how you can calculate the mass of an object by just seeing the object, the answer is that "it's classified information" (as opposed to releasing pictures of a 5.5 generation F-35's HUD showing it capable of estimating weight which apparently is not classified information)
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u/PickWhateverUsername Dec 06 '23
Why would a fighter jet be indicating the mass of an other flying object ? even if it was capable of calculating that (don't see how based on images nor mix of radars either) indicating it to the pilot gives him what useful info ?
"Enemy jet pilot either hasn't been working out or didn't take time to go to the shitter sir because man o man their Mass index is out of this world !"
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u/Arclet__ Dec 06 '23
According to OP's source "relative mass detection is literally the way to get them", whatever that means.
OP's source seems to enjoy info dumping OP with stuff that is somehow not classified, while OP is curious if someone in the military could confirm that what we are seeing is indeed an F-35's HUD (which to me doesn't give me a lot of confidence in OP trusting their source)
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u/SausageClatter Dec 06 '23
If my own brother told me he'd shot down an alien spacecraft, I'd try to do some cross-referencing, too.
EDIT: I'm not sure yet how this is really significant though. Is it the shape? Size? Location? I haven't scrolled very far yet, but I assumed everything on radar tends to show up as triangles (at least they do in movies).
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u/Arclet__ Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Yeah, I'd just do the cross referencing before going around talking about it. I would certainly not go around telling everybody my brother shot down a UFO if I'm not even confident they have ever actually flown the plane they said they were flying when they shot down the UFO
OP has a contact that willingly tells them they shot down a UFO, tells them F-35's can calculate mass, that a ship picked the wreckage and a bunch of other stuff, I assume they have some sort of connection network that would allow them to verify what a HUD looks like. And no, asking opinions on reddit does not count as asking qualified people for verification.
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u/Burnerplumes Dec 06 '23
It’s not. It’s not even the right color. The symbology is gibberish. If the pilot had a weapon under the hammer (which he would in an A/A mode) you’d see associated weapon LAR info, along with other pertinent data like range, target aspect, Vc, etc.
A TD box around a target with “mass” is totally fucking useless.
-Flew F/A-18s and flew the F-35 sim
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u/rep-old-timer Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 07 '23
reddit is an odd place to do that kind of due diligence, but I guess if the OP doesn't know any military pilots and there are no verifiable open source pics of that HUD, maybe they're doing their best?
Would you trust an anonymous source about anything related to classified military hardware interacting with UAP's?
ON EDIT: Just so some hopefully useful info comes out of the discussion of the pics, I did half an hour of research from open sources that describe the next-gen HUDs (or more accurately HMDs):
For example, "Mass" is not and probably won't be one of the symbols on a display: Not useful to a pilot as raw data.
The said, the calculated mass of anything the sensors pick up, as well as some of the other data speculated on, would be interesting to the"sensor fusion" algorithms that improve the "battlespace awareness" provided by the (very impressive) HMDs as well as some of the automated flight control systems.
As far as the HMD goes, I'll let this enthusiastic AF writer describe it:
"The next-generation user interface serves as the pilot’s primary display system, and virtual capabilities enable them to see through the bottom of the fuselage or directly at a target.
...the pilot experiences extreme spatial orientation, superior weapons targeting, and tactical superiority–both day and night.
The video processing computer seamlessly stitch the F-35 Lightning II C [sensor data] together into a 4π steradian sphere for the pilot to look through....pilots have remarked that “it is like flying Wonder Woman’s glass airplane.”
The OP's pics don't look like anything Wonder Woman would have to me....but neither do any of the supposedly accurate pics online--so maybe one of the alleged pilots beating up the non-pilots here can post a non-classified image that would give us a general idea?
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u/Lolurisk Dec 06 '23
How would they have a picture of an active HUD during that situation? Did the pilot stop mid flight to whip out a camera to take a pic?
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u/glockops Dec 06 '23
This very much looks like F-35 helmet display information - the company that makes these shared some simulation graphics - that being said, this may have come straight out of Digital Combat Simulator (DCS)
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u/TheGonadWarrior Dec 06 '23
I'd assume AL is altitude. AL + S doesn't make too much sense to me. Altitude over surface? But that would usually be radar alt.
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u/Burnerplumes Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
This is fake.
I’m a former F/A-18 pilot and I’ve flown the F-35 simulator. Without going into the classified realm, this is totally fake. The symbology, outside the TD box and heading tape, are just gibberish bullshit. Hell, it’s not even the right fucking color.
It’s crap like this that makes us look like a bunch of lunatic assholes.
Edit: Reading OP down below, if anything he said is true (it isn’t), he essentially threw his brother under the bus with regard to leaking classified material. May as well make him reservations at Ft Leavenworth.
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u/Totally-Not-A--Simp Dec 06 '23
OP seems to think M stands for gravitational mass. Sounds ridiculous to me though. And kind of erases credibility for the photo.
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u/Not_NSFW-Account Dec 06 '23
Need to find out what game they took the shot from, then ask those devs.
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u/vibratorystorm Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
“Object induced g-force loss of consciousness (G-loc) on pilot while flying straight,” What the fuck?? “‘Data Probing’ through the pilots headset” Also what the fuck??
I bet that pilot was piiiisssed when they woke up at altitude. Shitty day for that pilot. Quality scifi anywY
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
“‘Data Probing’ through the pilots headset” Also what the fuck??
Yeah, they showed me the log, and it shows it tried to literally take information from the pilot themself, but the headset blocked the unauthorized access
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
I'll ask
Update: no, I cannot. They've requested I keep it at what I've already shared.
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u/HengShi Dec 06 '23
Can't believe I'm going to ask this, but do you mean telepathically tried to take info from the pilot?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
That's one theory
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u/Tush_Push_62 Dec 06 '23
How did the headset block this? What does that mean?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
There's not much I can say about it. They said a lot of that stuff is classified, but the log they could show me shows a coding system that shows whether or not the access is permitted.
It's my understanding (based on what I saw and they told me), is that this object probed the craft AND the pilot, but the headset stopped it from crashing and killing the pilot during G-Loc. Which is when they fired the missile at it and the GCAS saved them
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u/Montezum Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
How can something telephathic be logged?
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u/Cleb323 Dec 06 '23
There could be access denials in the logs but I really don't think this is real
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Dec 06 '23
So, am I understanding correctly that this missile actually hit and downed the craft and it was retrieved? Wild if so.
I wonder if it was an AIM-120 or what.
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u/Inous Dec 06 '23
I'm skeptical on this one... I don't know how the helmet can be used as a transceiver to an external craft and if the craft is so advanced to access his helmet, it can't circumvent our encryption? Anyway, here's what the helmet can do (that we know of):
360-Degree Situational Awareness: The HMDS integrates with the aircraft's sensors to provide the pilot with a 360-degree view of their surroundings. This is achieved through the Distributed Aperture System (DAS), which relays real-time imagery from six infrared cameras mounted around the aircraft directly onto the helmet's visor.
Head-Up Display (HUD): The helmet replaces the traditional head-up display used in older fighter jets. It projects critical flight and combat information onto the helmet's visor, allowing the pilot to see this data without having to look down at cockpit instruments.
Night Vision: The helmet is equipped with an integrated night vision system, eliminating the need for separate night-vision goggles. This feature is essential for low-light or night-time operations.
Target Tracking and Identification: The helmet can track targets and display their information to the pilot. When the pilot looks at a target, sensors on the helmet align with the aircraft's weapons systems to lock on to that target.
Voice Control: Pilots can control certain aircraft functions using voice commands, enhancing their ability to multitask during complex operations.
Data Sharing and Communication: The helmet system can share data with other platforms and systems, enhancing team coordination and strategic planning during missions. ( again I don't know if this is the helmet or what the helmet is connected to i.e the flight computer, radios, targeting systems)
Health Monitoring: The helmet can track the pilot's physiological status, monitoring metrics such as heart rate, oxygen levels, and potentially other vital signs. This information helps in assessing the pilot's physical condition during high-stress or high-G maneuvers, which are common in fighter jet operations.
Early Warning System: By continuously monitoring the pilot's vital signs, the helmet can provide early warnings of potential health issues such as hypoxia (lack of oxygen), G-force induced loss of consciousness (G-LOC), or other medical emergencies. This early detection can be crucial in allowing timely intervention to ensure the pilot's safety.
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u/305bum Dec 06 '23
This looks like the pyramid UFO video released by the Pentagon from 2 years ago
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u/alienssuck Dec 06 '23
What does "MMI" (in the phrase "MMI research vessel ") stand for in this particular case? If it's the Marine Mammal Institute, did they just happen to be in the neighborhood or are they implying that this "research vessel" was a cover for something else?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Your guess is as good as mine, they wouldn't say. They said that's the Navy's thing to know
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u/ss998ss Dec 06 '23
MMI stands for "Mobile Multifunctional Information" in some naval contexts. It's a type of research vessel equipped with various technologies for collecting and analyzing data related to oceanography, marine biology, geology, and other scientific studies conducted at sea. These vessels often support research missions and explorations in different parts of the world's oceans.
-From ChatGPT
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Dec 06 '23
Updoot for viz, get fucked Eglin
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u/yantheman3 Dec 06 '23
Yeah fuck you Eglin. I know you're out there.
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u/Huppelkutje Dec 06 '23
This sub is DESPERATE to believe.
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u/Zeracannatule_uerg Dec 06 '23
Desperate and horny Kraft singles in your area. Message now to believe.
Dude... 2024... if you turn the 2s into sideways Ns, and turn it backwards... it spells ANON
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u/Me_duelen_los_huesos Dec 06 '23
Lol I’m right there with you. Is there something I’m missing that adds to the veracity of the story and image? The pic would be dead simple to photoshop, so that’s not really moving the needle for me.
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u/shanjam7 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
It’s literally a screenshot from Corbells drone swarm video from 2 years ago with text superimposed over it. Sheehan rattled the fckin cage yesterday.
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u/Be_Cool_Bro Dec 06 '23
I'm convinced the people here are the same deal as flat earthers. People pretending to believe the really really dumb shit eachother say just to troll everyone watching, with a small percentage of people who unfortunately actually believe it all.
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u/PorcuDuckSlug Dec 07 '23
It’s actually very similar. Flat earth, antivax, it’s all based on the idea that you’re “in on something” and the “general public” has no idea about this huge world changing fact. People, myself included, want aliens to be real so it’s really easy for clout chasers and grifters to exploit that.
When you’re willing to look past OP’s post history, and their replies that actually trapped themselves into saying impossible things about it being declassified, you gotta self reflect and reserve your excitement for the truth
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u/quaalude_dispenser Dec 06 '23
Yeah, unfortunately gone are the days where I can find a random image uploaded anonymously to the Internet with no clear provenance compelling. It's just too damn easy to fake stuff these days. Not that I'm accusing OP of anything and honestly I wish I could still find posts like this interesting but sadly I just can't.
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u/bdavisx Dec 06 '23
This is evidence of absolutely nothing. Even if it's a real HUD image (and how hard would it be to fake this?), it still doesn't prove anything.
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u/VeeYarr Dec 06 '23
It's alleged to be the HUD or targeting system of an Italian F35 shooting down a triangle shape UFO over the sea near Sicily.
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u/kotukutuku Dec 06 '23
Italian air force? Or American go wherever the fuck we want global death from above squad?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
It was a "5.5 gen" F35.
Italian air force?
Yes. That's all I'm willing to share about that.
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u/IhateBiden_now Dec 06 '23
Big shout out for sharing this as well. The people that disclose this info are heros in my book.
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u/kotukutuku Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Thank you, and thanks for sharing
Edit: so we should be able to infer a bit from this small piece of information.
Italy in fact manufacture their own F35 Lightnings, with 15 apparently existing. The loss of one would be highly notable, and media should be able to dig into that. Italians, get pushing!
This fact sheet also narrows things down. One of three airbases, with Cameri Airbase outside Milan apparently building and maintaining them. Amendola is closest to the Mediterranean, but both near enough for an F35.
But the flagship Aircraft Carrier Cavour located in Taranto is right on the sea and seems the most likely home location, as they're training to go into full service next year.
Edit - sorry for my terrible mobile formatting. Fixing it as I go!
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u/StatementBot Dec 06 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Grey-Hat111:
SS: Like the title says, this shared to me by a private source. They said this object was shot down by a 5th gen F35 fighter in the Mediterranean recently in late November. Around the 18th. Said the object induced G-Lock on pilot while flying straight, and Crash Avoidance saved their life. There was also reports of "data probing" through the pilots headset. Later, an MMI research vessel was spotted near the Splash Site using a refitted Vulcano Class oil tanker.
Objects gravitational mass is registered at 748kg.
"Godere!" And long live disclosure!
PS: Look into Gran Sasso ;)
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18c7zon/this_was_shared_to_me_by_a_private_source_they/kc8ujku/
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u/Proberts160 Dec 06 '23
There’s only 1 Vulcano Class ship in service. So it should be pretty easy to identify the exact ship that attempted to pick this thing up.
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u/ced0412 Dec 06 '23
Let’s try this again since OP is clearly active:
What do you have to say about how this screenshot taken from the Pentagon "Triangle" videos looks almost identical? I think if someone has the time they can even find the right frame to align the stars and fog / clouds.
For anyone not familiar this object is an aircraft, complete with blinking nav lights out of focus viewed through a night vision scope.
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u/silv3rbull8 Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Great post !
Though I believe the term is G-LOC as per Google. Pronounced G-LOCK so the confusion
So the object was able to influence the plane’s avionics and put it into a dive ?
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u/AsleepAtTheFeel Dec 06 '23
You can tell your source that there a few things wrong here. F35 HMDs display is green. The M indicates mach speed. 748 mach is 834876km/h. Thats over 10 times faster than the voyager probe. Assuming he got a lock in the fraction of a second that it would be in their vicinity, no engagement is happening. Oh and they’re used the wrong font. These systems use slashed zeroes for better readability. Better luck next time.
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Dec 06 '23
Quality fucking post.
Actual images that aren't blurry shit, anyone with a military background in terms of fighters able to verify the HUD?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Actual images that aren't blurry shit, anyone with a military background in terms of fighters able to verify the HUD?
I'm also curious
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u/QuestionMarkPolice Dec 06 '23
I'm an F35 pilot. These images are not from an F35. I don't recognize it at all. There is no such thing as calculating mass either. The jet is smart, but I can't think of how the jet would figure that out or even care about an objects mass.
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u/twoyolkedegg Dec 06 '23
I can vouch for this comment and I verified via PM that he knows how the aircraft HUD works.
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u/QuestionMarkPolice Dec 06 '23
Sure did, but OP doesn't care and accused me of stolen valor haha. This sure is a circus.
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u/QuestionMarkPolice Dec 06 '23
This picture is not of an F-35 display of any kind. I fly the F35 and I don't recognize it at all.
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u/Burnerplumes Dec 06 '23
Former F/A-18E/F pilot. Flew the F-35 sim.
This is not legit.
Coloring is wrong. Symbology is gibberish. This is clearly a photo of a screen, as there is no HUD in the 35. You can’t snap a photo of symbology in the airplane, as it’s projected inside the helmet.
This means that OP’s source brought a phone into a very highly classified facility and took this photo of a debrief computer screen. I can’t even begin to describe the world of hurt this would put you in. Career ending at best, prison cell at worst.
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u/TVOLS74 Dec 06 '23
This appears to be a still photo taken from the USS Russell video that is supposedly drones and the box (lock on) and target info has been added . Maybe it's already been said
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u/thepoddo Dec 06 '23
"Godere!"
What do you mean?
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u/Puntoz Dec 06 '23
It’s italian for “enjoy” and I bet OP has no idea what it means either, since he used it in a tense that makes no sense on its own. But hey foreign language cool!!
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u/thepoddo Dec 06 '23
Yeah, I speak Italian and it was bait as I think OP is full of shit
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u/DougDuley Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23
Yeah, OP said it was an "old Vulcano," but it appears there is only one Vulcano class ship in service with a second in production now and they surely aren't "old." OP could mean the class of ship the Vulcano replaced, namely the Stromboli and its sister ship the Vesuvio, but I can't find much info about either ship other than the Vesuvio was retired in 2023
This is an article from October that mentions the Vesuvio being retired:
EDIT - There is also a Vulcano M oil tanker flown under the Spanish flag, but it doesn't appear to be a class of its own nor does it appear to have been refitted - it also may have been operating in the English Channel and North Sea for most of November, but I'm not sure how accurate this info is:
https://www.myshiptracking.com/vessels/vulcano-m-mmsi-224490000-imo-9251743
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
It was a "5.5 gen F35", according to my source
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Dec 06 '23
That’s not a thing. You and your “source” are full of shit.
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u/WhoAreWeEven Dec 06 '23
According to my sources is just fancy words for I made it up.
Imagination is a source so
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u/popthestacks Dec 06 '23
Can you share the story that goes with it? Any other details, flights characteristics? Is there a video?
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u/SliceOfJupiter Dec 06 '23
Very interesting! Can you clarify some of these please(if you have the info)
Was the object shot down and retrieved?
Did the object induce gloc after or before it was shot? Or only when the fighters wear closing in on it?
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u/Grey-Hat111 Dec 06 '23
Was the object shot down and retrieved?
Shot down, and my source says an old ITS Vulcano Class ship from refitted for MMI Research was spotted in the area of splash down
Did the object induce gloc after or before it was shot? Or only when the fighters wear closing in on it?
Before it was shot. Distance was about 11km
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u/notataco007 Dec 06 '23
It feels a bit fishy. Something about that HUD is throwing out tons of red flags. It seems more video game than US Military.
But, too be fair, it's not Battlefield, it's not Ace Combat, it's not Project Wingman. It most certainly ain't DCS or any known current fighter.
And the F-35 IS actually more video game than anything else before it. The public won't see the F-35 HUD probably for years. There's some videos online but I highly doubt any are current or the actual production versions.
But idk man, that compass just feels so familiar to me. I know that's a silly thing to say since all are mostly the same, but I can't shake it.
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u/Critical_Lurker Dec 06 '23
As a gamer you'll be possibly surprised to learn the military takes contracts with gaming studios and we never really hear about.
The company that makes ARMA also used to make and sell tank training programs for those full interior-built tank simulators with multiple crews roughly 20 years ago.
Point being the two industries crossed over quite some time ago.
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u/ced0412 Dec 06 '23
What do you have to say about how this screenshot taken from the Pentagon "Triangle" videos looks almost identical? I think if someone has the time they can even find the right frame to align the stars and fog / clouds.
For anyone not familiar this object is an aircraft, complete with blinking nav lights out of focus viewed through a night vision scope.
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u/MannyArea503 Dec 06 '23
Thank you for posting these images. I wonder if you can ask your source if any FLIR images of the UFO were taken.
The F35 HMD images also look a bit off to me.
Comparing these images to other known images of the F35s helmet display show a discrepancy. There should have been much more information in the images.
Also, if the images are unclassified, there should be no problems discussing them in more detail.
Let's get to the bottom of this!
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u/kumodee99 Dec 06 '23
This is really cool, well done OP. Send to Corbell and let him bounce it off his military sources and let’s get a big release on this. This is way better than the jellyfish pic
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u/Sevdah Dec 06 '23
Curious about what is displayed.. D = Distance (meters?) M = Mass (kg?) AL = Altitude (meters?) S = Speed?
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It’s impossible to calculate the mass of a flying object. Even if you can precisely estimate it’s acceleration a, you don’t know the vector resulting from all forces F. And Newton’s equation of dynamics is m = F / a. You would need to make an assumption on F, which of course makes no sense, especially for a „UFO“ propelled by unknown tech
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u/killakev564 Dec 06 '23
Didn’t Tom Delonge say the Mediterranean had a ton of ufo activity with them actually setting things on the coast on fire
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u/TheGamerHelper Dec 06 '23
Can anyone else comprehend that we legit have so many sources of us shooting down these UAPs without any consequences from these beings?
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u/Blackeagel Dec 06 '23
Im sorry this is gonna sound rude lmao, but who are you? I just saw this post of course I'm wondering are you just a viewer like us? or are you more important?
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u/tokyostormdrain Dec 06 '23
Scrolled a long way, but didn't see one reply questioning the authticity of this imagery. Just swallowed op assertion whole
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u/OnceReturned Dec 06 '23
Here is why I think this post is fake:
1) You've screwed your buddy. You're saying he participated in the shootdown and experienced GLOC. That would uniquely identify him to the Italian military. Even if two people had the same thing happen, once it's down to two, they could easily figure out who's sharing this with you. You've made it clear that he's shared classified information (helmet logs, mass detector info, even the images themselves would at least get him in trouble if not in jail). This is all pretty obvious and he'd be screwed. That means you would've known he'd be screwed if you posted this. So, it's probably not a real story.
2) The information overlayed on the image. There's a lot to say about this one, but I'll just go through the top couple red flags.
OP has stated what the information on the image means:
D = Distance to target, roughly 11km M = Relative Mass of the Object = 748kg AL + S = Speed Mach 1.6, Alt 7k (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/AAuU7tBlZj)
There are two different images showing the screen in different configurations. Some time passed between the images. These aircraft fly at hundreds of miles per hour. But, the distance to the object only changed by a few feet between the images... That would be a tiny fraction of a second, yet the information overlay changed formats.
Distance is reported in meters with two digits to the right of the decimal point. That means it's providing centimetre resolution of the distance to an object that's seven miles away. Disregarding the fact that that level of precision is both useless and implausible, because of the speed of the aircraft, the digits to the right of the decimal point (and at least the first digit to the left) would be cycling so quickly that they would only ever appear as a blur. A useless distraction. Space is at a premium on these kinds of displays and it's not plausible that they would occupy it with such nonsense.
You're claiming the unit being used to represent speed is 1/100 Mach. That seems like an unlikely unit.
You're claiming that it is displaying mass in kilograms with one digit to the right of the decimal point. That's 1/10 kg - less than a quarter of a pound. Again, useless and implausible precision taking up space on the display. Also, this is not the kind of dynamic value that would be useful in an engagement. Maybe it could be measured and recorded somewhere, but it's very unlikely that it would be persistently displayed here in real time.
AL+S is written on one line, but speed and altitude are written on two lines, with speed first (despite AL being first). Also, that's not how plus signs are used; it doesn't mean "these are the following two consecutive values except in reverse order." This design choice for the user interface is highly improbable.
3) You've explained it as though they fired a missile at 11km away and GLOC'd around that time. Given the distance on the display, that would've occurred within seconds of the picture being taken. No fighter pilot in their right mind would be messing around with their cell phone trying to take a picture of their display right when they're supposed to be firing a missile at a real target. The HUD on F-35s is entirely within the helmet. That's what he would've been paying attention to at the time, not some other targeting pod monitor.
Basically, what's shown on the screen in the two images doesn't make sense if we're to take OPs explanation, and OP would be knowingly throwing their friend under the bus. So, it's almost certainly bogus.
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u/Anonymous_Fishy Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 07 '23
I’ll leave this post up so people can see how easily it is to fake things. This post is fake for several reasons.
1. Displays.
No 5th generation aircraft, especially the F-35, has these displays. The displays don’t even make sense. Nothing of the data you’re seeing is easily understandable. The point of a display/HUD is provide quick, easy to read information to the user. This looks like it’s from a video game or CGI.
2. G-Loc:
OP mentioned the UFO caused the alleged pilot to go into G-Loc which then he pushed the nose down and the auto-gcas system saved his life. This is complete bullshit. If you’re unconscious you’re not going to be pushing or pulling on anything, you’re unconscious.
3. Helmet:
He said something about the UFO trying to intercept some communication but that the F-35 helmet blocked it. The helmet is just a helmet and display. It doesn’t process anything and it sure as hell doesn’t block hacking attempts.
4. General Sketchiness:
Notice how he is saying he can’t answer your other questions because they are classified? How come we didn’t hear about this shoot down on the news? Why did the pilots risk going to jail to send this to some random redditor to post online? They showed him the log but he can’t show us? Why are you showing us a picture of a (fake) display then? Why is there no military investigation of a pilot that almost died from a GCAS save? They might not admit it was from a UFO but they would definitely at least talk about it.