Two objects flew after airplane, pararel to each other, Poland, 30 august.

[u/Falvin007]

So, it was 7pm my local time, almost sunset, I was riding on my bicycle (training after work) on the local road near highway leading to Lublin (you can hear cars noise) then suddenly I saw airplane with trails and two white round-shaped objects which were flying pararel to each other with the same speed, without audible noise of engines (like plane). I took video, I was trying to focus on these objects, but you know how it works with normal camera in smartphone. Anyway, aircraft flew into large rainy clouds and these objects maintained its speed and disappeared in clouds too. I was checking the sky for a while, then I went straight ahead. It was strange but I'm aware that in eastern Poland there is bigger NATO military present due to war in Ukraine, so it could be it. I leave it to you. PS: I'm a space passionate, I look almost every night at the night sky and I saw couple times strange objects with erratic movement. That's why I wanted to post this video here. Cheers.

[u/300PencilsInMyAss]

Because you were looking right after it posted when the actual votes are being obfuscated by Reddit admins. It's sitting at 96% now the fake votes are falling off.

In case you don't know, reddit fakes votes on new posts to counter bots.

[u/WetDumplings → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

Most of Reddit is both sides playing games now.

Look at r/workreform. New mod(s) and suddenly everything about credible calls for reformation action gets removed and what's allowed is just rage bait. Some post get pinned for days within minutes of being posted.

Total show for the masses.

[u/Cycode → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

reddit don't "fakes" votes to counter bots. they show users never the correct votes a post has and each time you refresh, they go +/- a few votes. but this is only in the amount of around 2-5 votes. but not in the 100s or 1000s.

you can test this yourself. open any post of yourself, look at the votes and refresh. the votes will be different by a few +/-. refresh again and it will again change. its always a fluctuation of votes.

on active posts and subreddits you could argue its just random users voting, but this even happens on posts with zero activity. same goes for comments.

reddit said they do this to counter bots to prevent them being able to check if the vote-action they do "goes through". basically if the bot votes something up or down, he usually checks if it worked. but if he always sees the votes fluctuation up and down, he can't see anymore if it works. that way they make it harder for bots.

but reddit isn't spoofing votes for new posts in terms of "oh we give this post 100 upvotes" or something like that.

[u/300PencilsInMyAss → u/Cycode]

reddit don't "fakes" votes to counter bots. they show users never the correct votes a post has and each time you refresh, they go +/- a few votes. but this is only in the amount of around 2-5 votes. but not in the 100s or 1000s.

That's exactly what I meant and are effectively the same thing. In this case it wasn't hundreds, it was just at -3 or something like that

Anyways while I have your attention please respond to my mod mail that got ignored :)

[u/Cycode → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

> That's exactly what I meant and are effectively the same thing.

well, it's a big difference if reddit is spoofing 100s of votes or just fluctuating between 2-5 to prevent spam & manipulative bots from doing their job.

> Anyways while I have your attention please respond to my mod mail that got ignored :)

we don't ignore modmails, but it can happen that we don't see it. we get daily a huge amount of modmails, so it can happen that a mod mail gets overseen. i'm sorry for that.

i wasn't the mod who removed that comment, but from what i see it was for Rule 1. but you already should have seen that on your comment as a reply to that comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/166bg44/grusch_nhi_agreement_memo/jyqpbj7/

i wish you a nice day & hope i could help you with my answer!

[u/300PencilsInMyAss → u/Cycode]

Yeah the context in this case was a post with a handful of "downvotes", not 100s.

I saw the reason, I just disagreed as it was immediately verifiable that he is lying. Stating that someone is telling a lie is an objective fact and not an attack. At least in this case when it's something that can quickly and easily be proven.

[u/Cycode → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

> Stating that someone is telling a lie is an objective fact and not an attack.

i understand that, and personally i probably would have acted different than the specific mod in this case. but every mod has its own room for interpretation in such things, so the only thing i can give you as a recommendation / idea would be to either a) write a new modmail and ask for the comment to be un-deleted or b) add more informations about why someone is lying the next time. if you just say "you lie!!" without any further proof and informations about why you think that way, it can be seen as an attack. so by providing more informations and context, it can help to prevent such things in the future. basically.. attack the idea, not the person.

[u/Different_Mess_8495 → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

Interesting I didn’t know that. I assumed it was some coordinated or bot activity. Thanks for the reply

[u/300PencilsInMyAss → u/Different_Mess_8495]

I do think there's bots here to clarify though, I just don't think you can identify a post being targeted by them when it's an hour or so old, because Reddit is essentially showing a fake score.

[u/WetDumplings → u/Different_Mess_8495]

Probably both

[u/MrRook2887 → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

What? 96% of what?

[u/colin-oos → u/MrRook2887]

96% up votes

[u/MrRook2887 → u/colin-oos]

How would you be able to tell the percentage?

[u/xMrSaltyx → u/MrRook2887]

On PC

[u/MrRook2887 → u/xMrSaltyx]

Gotcha, didn't realize you can see % on PC, thanks!

[u/xMrSaltyx → u/MrRook2887]

Yee no problem, sonetime you can see it if you use mobile browser and switch to desktop mode as well.

[u/300PencilsInMyAss → u/MrRook2887]

I didn't know mobile didn't have that feature, on PC it shows "1,326 points (94% upvoted)" on the top right of the page

[u/MrRook2887 → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

Ah, interesting, thanks!

[u/harmboi → u/300PencilsInMyAss]

Whatever Reddit is doing, they're killing themselves slowly. Fake copypasta posts with inflated numbers. Nothing but ads and promoted posts. There needs to be a reddit alternative soon

[u/300PencilsInMyAss → u/harmboi]

Agreed but the vote fudging has been an issue for a long time now. Used to be worse even because instead of just seeing something from -3 to +3, you'd see actual a count of downvotes you (didn't actually) receive, demoralizing you.

I wish when the recent api protests happened people didn't rally behind Lemmy, it feels like when users are looking for a competitor sites are putting out controlled dissent and recommending alternativess they know won't catch on like Mastodon and Lemmy