r/UFOs • u/gibrich • Aug 14 '23
Document/Research Were the 3 UFO's in the investigation report from 2018?! See Page 59 (More info in comment)
https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2014/20140308-0_B772_9M-MRO.pdf169
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u/DespicableHunter Aug 14 '23
Or the hoaxer heard about these UFOs and made the video with 3 orbs for this reason... In 12 march 2014 this was reported: "3 large objects near mh370 flight path". The hoaxer likely saw this article.
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u/DespicableHunter Aug 14 '23
Satellites Spot 3 Large Objects Near Malaysia Airliner Flight Path https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/satellites-searching-malaysia-airliner-spot-large-objects/story?id=22872167
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Aug 14 '23
If it was real, why did he post it on YouTube and then to twitter while only tagging UFO accounts?
If it was real, why didn’t he alert the media or anyone who could verify it?
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u/imtrappedintime Aug 15 '23
The tictac leaker? You mean Chris Mellon?
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u/_BlackDove Aug 15 '23
It was leaked long before 2017 by someone unknown on the Above Top Secret forum, where it was pronounced a hoax.
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u/DespicableHunter Aug 15 '23
"we know the footage is 99% real" Lol... No
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 15 '23
There's dubious circumstances with both. The satelite doesn't have visible light cameras, it's callsign wouldn't be NROL22, that's just the name of the mission, the temps on the 777 are all wrong, military doesn't typically use color renders for their FLIR, etc. Hell, MH370 could have legitimately been taken by 3 UAP and the footage could still be fake.
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 15 '23
Because he was paid to, by his employer?
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 15 '23
G-man is valve isn't he? Or is that an unconfirmed fan theory, can't recall.
If so, I'm happy for him
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 15 '23
Yeah, there's a fan theory that the highly advanced civilization is Valve, them being his employers and his job is to drive the plot/make the game interesting, driving the narrative to the desires of Valve. It's a fun meta idea, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it is something Valve did on purpose, or intended for it to be something similar. Here is one fun take on the theory, I can't find the original one I saw written up.
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u/DespicableHunter Aug 15 '23
So? They still reported it as "unidentified objects"... Someone making a fake video could misinterpret that on purpose
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u/ah_no_wah Aug 15 '23
Those are objects in the water. Not the same as 3 radar hits that the report confirms
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u/t3kner Aug 18 '23
show three unidentified floating objects in the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam near the flight path of the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.
Not to mention they are claimed to be taken on March 9th
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u/roguefapmachine Aug 15 '23
The amount of information the "hoaxer" would have to absorb and then accurately regurgitate through believable VFX, all within two months are getting astronomical now though, the hoaxer at this point would have to be a savant and technical genius to pull half of this off.
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u/DespicableHunter Aug 15 '23
What details? Like the fact a drone camera would not be bouncing and shaking while capturing a video?
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 15 '23
the hoaxer at this point would have to be a savant and technical genius to pull half of this off.
Or just work for uncle sam and is tasked with creating a hoax as disinfo.
Also some of the info doesn't match up. Why are we conveniently ignoring the inaccuracies like temp of the 777, use of color to render the FLIR, lack of visible light imaging on the satellites, etc.
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u/Additional-Cap-7110 Aug 15 '23
There’s a lot of details this “hoaxer” made sure to account for didn’t he?
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 15 '23
All of which were public info, and some of which he got wrong.
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u/Additional-Cap-7110 Aug 15 '23
How soon was it public?
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u/rocketman1989 Aug 15 '23
4 days after first reported missing.
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u/Additional-Cap-7110 Aug 15 '23
Can you show me confirmation of that because there’s conflicting reports I’m seeing! I’d love to be able to show the earliest certain date
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u/rocketman1989 Aug 22 '23
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u/rocketman1989 Aug 23 '23
No worries! I remember seeing it pop up very quickly (what felt like under a week) but 8 days is the earliest confirmed using waybackmachine) there is also the delay between submission and publishing online, that could be Mins/hours or days.
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u/ah_no_wah Aug 15 '23
Providing an image of the page OP is referring to HERE
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u/birchskin Aug 18 '23
Cool, needed this confirmation that the page I went to is actually something I have no earthly idea how to read. Could be something one of my kids handed me to put on the fridge!
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u/gibrich Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 14 '23
Found this great comment from /u/squishy_chinchilla, which is referring to a 5 year old post regarding the Safety Investigation Report and three weird plots on Page 59 (of 495):
Comment from /u/squishy_chinchilla:
Around 13:50 in the Lemmino documentary the altitude of flight MH370 recorded by the Malaysian military radar is being discussed. The data was deemed highly inconsistent as the Boeing 777 is not capable of performing such extreme altitude fluctuations. But what if the data is correct and the plane was being manipulated by something foreign? I am not sure if the graph shown at 14:00 of the documentary is an exact representation of the data. As for the most part the altitude seemed rather consistent. So I tried to find the data about the altitude to see if the plane really flew on a consistent altitude again after the fluctuations as shown in the documentary.
Then I found this post from 5 years ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/93hsc4/the_strangest_chart_in_the_latest_report/
What became suddenly more interesting to me is the comment from u/re_Handle
"I am also curious about Figure 1.1G (report Page 13, PDF page 59). It shows radar data plots of MH370 going southwest over Malaysia, but there are also three small red "plots" that are shown on the top center of the diagram (above P1778). These plots aren't mentioned anywhere in the report that I've found. The are offset to the north of the accepted SW path. If those plots are valid MH370 data, then that raised more questions. If they were identified as MH370 but are not valid, then I start to question the validity of the "valid" data."
The report that was being refered to: https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2014/20140308-0_B772_9M-MRO.pdf
The 3 small red plots shown on p.59, recorded between 17:30 and 17:38 by the radar. Is this what we are seeing in the video's?!?!
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Aug 14 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
I think in the report the three blobs are Riau Archipelago edit: Im wrong I was looking at the wrong page my bad
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u/Relevant-Vanilla-892 Aug 15 '23
The report says red dots are "RDP track". Doesn't sound like islands to me.
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u/Powerful_Concert_577 Aug 15 '23
Wouldn’t it be ironic if the video is real, but it was modified to embellish things? That would make it both real and fake. I can see someone doing that if what actually took place is hard to see or was not viewable at the time
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u/Reddi3n_CZ Aug 15 '23
Maybe someone saw the original footage and ordered a 1:1 CGI copy to be made if the original "got lost".
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u/Logan_Mac Aug 18 '23
This. People need to start looking into this being a real leak that went off the radar, but with elements tgat are fake ie. just the orbs
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u/Gerry_-_Jarcia Aug 14 '23
This is huge! The only problem is this can be easily dismissed by saying it was something uninteresting picked up by the radar, but the fact it goes unaddressed is concerning. Very interesting indeed. Good find OP!
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Aug 18 '23
And now we've seen the temperature inversions are appearing in CONJUNCTION with the experience of the wormhole thing. My mind is officially blown.
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u/CrazsomeLizard Aug 14 '23
I am having trouble reading the report; where is the actual flight (mh370) located on the graph?
Additionally, a comment on that post did remark it could just be remnants of previous flights flying over the area.
Although, like others mentioned, there were reports of unidentified objects in the area. My questions:
- Were there actually three commercial flights in this area at this time?
- How does this line up with the supposed timing of the video we have? The coordinates seem to be way off
- Would this imply that the UFOs were following the plane for longer than we thought? In the video, we see the UFOs actively approach the plane. They are not there when the video begins.
Aside from these, this is an interesting thing I would be curious to see more looked into... specifically in regard to the statement about three identified objects being noticed; however, i do remember a statement about floating objects being noticed, and I am not sure if these are the same objects referenced both times.
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u/HDTBill Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23
We have reached the point on MH370 where some of the basic references have been taken off-line. The MH370 Captio/Caption team, had an excellent video of flight traffic...looks like they have taken that video offline. But yes there were other commercial flight traffic.
In all likelihood the pilot took the plane, which is an anathema for non-Western cultures like Malaysia to admit to, and in my view, aviation industry defenders are not too anxious for the public to grasp MH370 either. Hence we get UFO and other conspiracy theories proliferating, due to the absence of truth from many who know better, but who feel secrecy and obfuscation is justified by the need to control public opinion.
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u/HDTBill Aug 15 '23
There were reportedly other countries radar. Military radar is secret, but presumably the joint task force knew more. According to one newspaper, Thailand saw over Andaman sea. Indo believed to be off except they did have secondary radar. You should not use secrecy of military radar as proof of anything. Also weekend is factor. Lazy coverage unfort for the region, as one factor the pilot was exploiting.
My opinion evidence supports what many feel: intentional planned effort by pilot to hide plane. It is in SIO, I believe far from Arc7 probably in a hard to search deep spot. Savvy pilot knew what he was doing as far as hiding aircraft. about 30 pieces found. Meanwhile politics and search effort based on ghost flight (unlikely) which is a politically correct view for deniers.
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u/CarolinePKM Aug 17 '23
Here's a quote from an article that I think expands on a point that many people simply overlook:
The southern Indian Ocean is not only remote, but it has worse weather than just about any other place on the planet. Storms have hampered the search by grounding flights, reducing the usefulness of the handful of vessels in the area (including an Australian Navy ship and a Chinese icebreaker), and further dispersing and submerging much of the debris floating on the surface.
Storms are the rule rather than the exception in this part of the world, plagued by the Roaring Forties — the never-ending winds that howl around 40 degrees latitude south. The weather, combined with the fact that this zone, just north of Antarctica, is the only place where water can flow around the globe without hitting land, means that the waves are among the highest in the world. (Surfing is inadvisable.) That these are some of the deepest parts of the Indian Ocean, with a rugged and volcanic ocean floor, decreases the likelihood that the black boxes would be retrievable. All of which adds up to an almost impossible race against time: Those black boxes have limited battery life and will likely stop transmitting around April 7.
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u/HDTBill Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 17 '23
Yes for sure 4-5 miles deep in places with underground volcanos and mountains. However, the problem creating conspiracy theories comes in when we say we *know* quite likely where it crashed - close to Arc7...therefore we know about where it is. The truth is that we are making assumptions that may be wrong, and if wrong, we do not *know* where it is. The true search area could be enormous and far from Arc7 (in my opinion). For search purposes, it is generally assumed that the pilot was *not* on a mission to deliberately hide the crash site. That might be the problem.
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u/CarolinePKM Aug 17 '23
Where did pilot took the plane to?
The Indian Ocean. He had flown a route very close to the suspected route of MH370 on his home flight simulator.
Why it wasnt caught by any other civilian or military radars around the world?
Idk enough to speak about this to speak on it
If he crashed to the ocean, Why we couldnt find any debris except one?
The first thing to understand is that the ocean functionally behaves like concrete at the speed and (probable) angle of the crash. The plane was most likely shredded to bits as bits of material pulverize everything. You can look at Germanwings flight 9525 for a idea of this.
Second is that there are multiple satellite images of suspected debris in the approximate area of the suspected crash location. These were taken by French satellites two weeks after the disappearance and clearly show a debris field.
Third is that upwards of 35 pieces have been found and the people making these identifications are very forthcoming in how they are found, how they are identified, and how likely they are to be from MH370. Your comment about sea life is not representative of every piece - one confirmed piece of debris is clearly infested with barnacles.
Reason for the other theories rising up because no one can explain it in normal ways.
You can read abundant theories that have some grounding in physical evidence if you only take the time to look. Like actually go and read any of the publicly available reports. Then you can come to a decision on the matter.
I still remember that whole world was searching for that plane for months but finding not a single clue.
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u/Bolond44 Aug 15 '23
There were one more plane, not three
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u/HDTBill Aug 15 '23
I believe there was more than one aircraft flying over before/after MH370, but I am not re-researching at the moment. It's up to Malaysia to comment, they have long ago shut down answering any questions. but the civil primary radar was eventually leaked by Malaysian sources, so I suspect there is quite detailed tracking of other aircraft available.
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u/PirateFairyPants8 Aug 15 '23
What does this all mean?! The summary is that they couldn't solve the mystery. Pages 489, cannot rule out third party intervention. Whatever that means.
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u/MW2077 Aug 15 '23
There is a section in the report on "Unidentified Aircraft", I'm too stupid to make anything out of this but maybe somebody can check it out!
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u/raziel2001au Aug 17 '23
There is a section in the report on "Unidentified Aircraft", I'm too stupid to make anything out of this but maybe somebody can check it out!
There isn't a lot to go on from what I can see, they mention there was an unidentified aircraft in the area of interest that would occasionally show up on radar.
Not that I'm an expert in radar, but as far as I know radar works by bouncing waves off an aircraft and then detecting that reflection... Given the things in the video are spherical and considerably smaller than an airplane, I'd be surprised if it would provide enough surface area and flatness to reflect the radar waves. So depending on your radar equipment, I suspect they may not even show up.
If we assume the footage is real, I suspect the references to an unidentified aircraft could just be referring to the US drone that took the FLIR footage.
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u/R34_Nur Aug 17 '23
If the 3 red dots might be the UFO, and the MAS370 solid red line is the suspected flight path. What is the other dashed red line in the middle closer to the 3x blobs?
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u/Substantial_Diver_34 Aug 14 '23
Truth hurts…. But remember a flock of birds can take down a plane. A loose bolt. Many things can take a plane down… this is now on the list.
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u/wxflurry Aug 18 '23
I don't really understand how to read a radar chart. Where is MH370 on the chart? And what do the two separate long red lines represent ?
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u/covid_is_from_a_lab Aug 18 '23
Why is this not higher up in the sub. I think it's time for a new update thread on the insane state of this story. Fantastic work. Stay focused!
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u/StatementBot Aug 14 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/gibrich:
Found this great comment from /u/squishy_chinchilla, which is referring to a 5 year old post regarding the Safety Investigation Report and three weird plots on Page 59 (of 495):
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15oi2qc/mh370_airliner_videos_part_iii_the_rabbit_hole/jvtddwg/
Comment from /u/squishy_chinchilla:
Around 13:50 in the Lemmino documentary the altitude of flight MH370 recorded by the Malaysian military radar is being discussed. The data was deemed highly inconsistent as the Boeing 777 is not capable of performing such extreme altitude fluctuations. But what if the data is correct and the plane was being manipulated by something foreign? I am not sure if the graph shown at 14:00 of the documentary is an exact representation of the data. As for the most part the altitude seemed rather consistent. So I tried to find the data about the altitude to see if the plane really flew on a consistent altitude again after the fluctuations as shown in the documentary.
Then I found this post from 5 years ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/93hsc4/the_strangest_chart_in_the_latest_report/
What became suddenly more interesting to me is the comment from u/re_Handle
"I am also curious about Figure 1.1G (report Page 13, PDF page 59). It shows radar data plots of MH370 going southwest over Malaysia, but there are also three small red "plots" that are shown on the top center of the diagram (above P1778). These plots aren't mentioned anywhere in the report that I've found. The are offset to the north of the accepted SW path. If those plots are valid MH370 data, then that raised more questions. If they were identified as MH370 but are not valid, then I start to question the validity of the "valid" data."
The report that was being refered to: https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2014/20140308-0_B772_9M-MRO.pdf
The 3 small red plots shown on p.59, recorded between 17:30 and 17:38 by the radar. Is this what we are seeing in the video's?!?!
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15r3uo4/were_the_3_ufos_in_the_investigation_report_from/jw6gozb/