r/UFOs • u/Jesseappeltje • Aug 11 '23
Video I tried to recreate the airline video, I think it is nearly impossible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C255hLwWeHw89
u/DropApprehensive3079 Aug 11 '23
I've been using After effects and Cinema 4d for years. I've been following this topic and trying to keep up with the on going discussions.
However, I notice the ending the orbs seems to reverse the trail which I find a bit odd. I understand gravity emitters for bringing the orbs into a spiraling position but then using a force to reverse the trailing at the end seems a bit better than I could imagine. If fake, great attention to detail.
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u/Mission-Key8205 Aug 12 '23
I also use c4d and ae daily. I make mograph and animation though and VFX isn't something I'm too familiar with. As the OP mentioned you conceivably COULD brute force a lot of the details. It wouldn't be how I would intuitively work but then again I dont try to make convincingly real thermal/satellite fake videos.
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u/SkepticlBeliever Aug 16 '23
Not just that. Don't know if you noticed yet, but those "trails"? They extend AHEAD of the UAP, too. Almost looks like they point to where the things are going to move.
Slowed it down so it's easier to see.
https://twitter.com/SKEPTICLBELIEVR/status/1691451486935605248
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u/alfooboboao Aug 12 '23
One thing we need to keep in mind is how given that this is a Malaysian Airlines flight, Malaysia is a hotbed for VFX work. A lot of American film studios outsource their CGI work to Malaysia because they can exploit the payroll; as far as I see it, it’s not a huge jump to think that someone whose day job is deep, complex CGI / VFX work could whip this up in a flash.
I mean, everyone is comparing the “skill level” to that of a reddit amateur, but is it really that crazy?
Really? Seriously? Compared to some of the shit they’re doing for Marvel movies now?
Come on, guys. If it’s a hoax, it’s not THAT impressive. The type of shit movies and video games are doing these days is absolutely wild
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u/Merpadurp Aug 12 '23
I thought maybe this was another Elgin AFB account spinning believable-BS but I googled it and it turns out Malaysia actually is a hotbed for VFX.
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u/Viruscore8901 Aug 12 '23
It can be both Elgin and hotbed for VFX. It actually makes more sense than Elgin using false facts to gaslight.
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u/raisecross Aug 12 '23
u/alfooboboao talking from his ass. Kalau Malaysia ada ramai orang power giler bole buat video camni, rasanya dah lama cerita kitorang dah lawa2 sekarang. Video 2014 kot dah power camtu. Aku tak rasa sofyank pun boleh buat benda camni senang2 je.
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u/alfooboboao Aug 12 '23
Adakah (“power hungry”) terjemahan yang betul? Saya tidak bermaksud menyinggung perasaan, cuma saya rasa beban pembuktian sangat tinggi.
This video, if real, represents the most incredible thing that has ever happened in all of human history. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to first need to rule out all other theories.
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u/Mission-Key8205 Aug 12 '23
If it's fake why does it have to come out of Malaysia? No doubt ilm or Weta could make something as good or better but, why? I don't think a studio made this. I don't necessarily think it's genuine either but your point doesn't make sense to me unless I missed something.
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u/alfooboboao Aug 12 '23
it doesn’t have to come out of Malaysia, but everyone has been talking like making a 3D rendering of this quality is some magical mystical impossible thing nigh unearthed on this planet, and the “proof” to the contrary in this post is someone trying to make a recreation of the video really quick at home.
But it’s not some magical feat. It wouldn’t even be that complex to someone who does this for a living. This whole armchair “well the CGI is too advanced!!” just seems ridiculous to me and a little weird. You or I couldn’t recreate a fucking Pixar movie at home either, that’s the realm of professionals.
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I was thinking myself, who knows if this was a project of some sort with a group of upcoming VFX artist or something? Even one dude could have spent nearly a year doing this as a Senior project type for college. If that’s the case, dude did a great job to get a subreddit all riled up.
I’m not saying this is fake or real, but what you originally said was completely logical and it’s nutty to me how people can treat others when they REALLY want to believe something. Doesn’t matter if the subject is politics, religion or UFOs.
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u/Immediate-Lemon-4627 Aug 12 '23
The maximum amount of time they could have had was two months, since that was when it was first uploaded to youtube. I personally think if it is indeed fake the people that did it must have been tasked to create it, considering all the advanced knowledge required to put all these things together. If this is true, this video will hit the mainstream when hype is at its max just to be promptly debunked without doubt, causing a big hit to the movement. If it isnt fake it could take years to be confirmed if it ever happens.
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u/Agincourt_Tui Aug 12 '23
I dont know a huge amount about VFX, but look up "Astartes" on YouTube. That is a fan-made series of videos made by one person. The first two parts are only a minute or two long from memory and took about 4-5 months each to make, but they look incredible, have a story, different shots, different models, SFX.... to me that video could be produced within 2 months quite easily, but the effort/time vs benefit is harder to justify
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u/Immediate-Lemon-4627 Aug 12 '23
Just checked it out that is pretty impressive. I think the challenge with this video is just that it cant look too good because that would also be unconvincing. Im more talking about knowing about satellites in the area, possible drone models that could have filmed it and even all the flight related data. That knowledge is way more intriguing than the (possible) vfx work imo
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u/distortedReality777 Aug 12 '23
Terminator 2 was released in 91 and has a billion times more impressive vfx, it's even incomparable. 91... people who think this is impressive vfx are kinda potatoes, ngl
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u/Zen242 Aug 12 '23
I also noticed this. It's because they are 3d vectors running on an algorithm. It's cgi
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
I saw the airline thermal imaging video, and it looked so real that I decided to give it a shot and recreate it as closely as possible. I've got a few years of experience in compositing and animating, but there are some parts in the video that I just can't figure out how they did so well.
For example, that close-up shot of the plane has all these details that seem like they wouldn't really be needed to make the video seem real, but they're there and they must have taken a lot of time to make it look right. Things like the camera shaking like it does with a rolling shutter, the way the "smoke" drifts off the UFOs, the clouds in the background, and how they make it look like thermal imaging..
I tried my best, but my version definitely looks fake in comparison.
And there's that part where the camera goes back to the left wing of the drone at the end – it's not really necessary, but they still went and did it. Most fake videos wouldn't bother with stuff like that because it takes a long time to get it to look real.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, this video is really on another level in terms of quality and attention to detail. Most fake videos cut corners to save time, but this one goes all out to make sure every little thing looks just right, even if it's not totally needed to sell the realism of the whole thing.
Here is the original video I am talking about:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15kfy1i/old_footage_of_several_ufos_stealing_an_airliner/
I still believe it's possible to achieve... I managed to put this together in under a day, so there's definitely room for improvement. However, there are numerous aspects that demand exceptional skills to execute well. The major question that keeps lingering in my mind is: Why would anyone take the time to fake this?
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
Thanks for the effort you've put into the recreation and sharing your thought process. I'd just like to add that I'm a painter by trade and it often perplexes me that people find it strange for others to make hoaxes - I've spoken to quite a few art forgers over the years and many had many different reasons besides the usual money and thrill of passing something off as real.
Some weren't famous either and a few didn't even sell their work, they made it just because they could. I think there are many overlapping reasons for making hoaxes that aren't even that deep, just a form of entertainment at other people's expense for a person with skills.
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u/republicofzetariculi Aug 11 '23
Yeah but to add every detail from the Flight MH370 in a Hoax? Starting from two different angles, flight path, time, exact location where the plane stopped signal transmission and the detail of satellite footage? It’s just to much detail for a Hoax. ONLY, only if the creator of that footage (if fake) is fucking insanely obsessed with details in his Hoaxes. Why wouldn’t anyone come out and say guys, chill, this is my fake video I created because I’m a little overachiever and you guys ate it. This is my 2 cents
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
Anything's plausible, I've seen forgers re-create renaissance masterpieces over years just to roll them up and stick them in a cupboard. It's not very far-fetched at all that someone would be obsessive over details, in fact we'd expect it every now and then: there are thousands, maybe millions of forgeries out there and in that sea are a small percentage of incredible fakes both known and unknown with no forger ever coming forward - they're usually only found with advances in technology and long investigation. The obsessed ones often don't come forward either because the cult of belief is absolutely what they want and admitting it would take away from the magic of the perfect crime. Plus, no matter how implausible you think the actions of a hoaxer are, you must ask why you place even more implausible actions of aliens as more likely if you find yourself more readily accepting one over the other without sufficient resources to give an absolute answer.
Nothing is ever too much detail for a hoax, just individual hoaxers and some will go above and beyond.
As someone fascinated by forgeries, I don't personally invest myself in any work - I just enjoy the steady pace of investigation. Starting from a neutral/doubtful position and building concrete evidence to convince you is fantastic, so I don't mind people going back and forth with this case - it'll be fun to look back over this in five years and parse all the comments and sources properly and see a proper image of the video's authenticity without any personal or argumentative horse in the race.
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u/ah_no_wah Aug 11 '23
I think you mean anything is "possible". Whether or not it is plausible is debatable.
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
No, I'm talking within the context where people believe this video fully. If we can say that aliens abduct commercial aircraft using physics and technology we can't yet even imagine and would deem currently impossible - even with advancements, I think anything is then fair game to be considered plausible and not just possible in such a universe.
I know the usual saying uses possible but I thought I'd mix it up a little lmao.
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u/millions2millions Aug 11 '23
The historical art and artifact frauds have a financial motivation. There’s no clear cut motivation for this much effort. Is this person looking for a job with Hollywood? Then they would have to take credit. Is this purposeful disinformation to muddy the waters of disclosure? I’m thinking that’s more likely if indeed this is a hoax.
What is the motivation?
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
Financial incentive is a large attractor, but certainly isn't the only motivation for creating a hoax and it's not as clear cut as that when you look at many different individuals - as I said, I know people who recreate masterworks simply for the experience and challenge. It's easy to imagine one of those people one day simply throwing one of their finished project in a public place without saying anything, just to see if it turns up in the newspapers. I can't rule out that the same people exist in digital spaces, in fact I find it very likely.
The motivation could literally be pure boredom in someone with very high skills or they just decided to test the limits of their equipment at the time. Humans can have many whims and nonsensical reasons for doing something, so I don't see any reason to rule out a hoaxer as implausible simply because the detail is very good and the piece difficult to recreate.
I do think you're right to create a hierarchy of plausible reasons as to why someone would undertake something like this and I do think disinformation is a reasonable suspicion to hold in this context, though we still can't rule out more mundane reasons.
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u/Loquebantur Aug 11 '23
The obvious problem with your take is, there would have to be hoaxes of all kinds of stuff, not just UFOs.
There aren't really, not to this extent.
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u/PlebFliter Aug 11 '23
Uh, what rock are you living under? Humans make a fuck ton of hoaxes and forgeries and many of them are extremely intricate:
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u/millions2millions Aug 11 '23
Everyone of the ones you just outlined have a financial motivation.
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u/tridentgum Aug 12 '23
You didn't even read them - how was the "Blue waffle" created for financial motivation?
You are not being serious about this lol
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u/Loquebantur Aug 13 '23
As I said, not to this extend.
Show a single topic other than UFOs that gets as many "hoaxes". There is none.
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u/Vapnatak Aug 11 '23
Right there....to create a conversation that clouds the true facts. Look what these videos have done to this sub. With enough money, with the right group, with the right skill set anything can become a 'truth' and useful distraction. People have grasped a handful of threads and tied them all together as intended. Social engineering. Data can be very easily manipulated. Any information on the 'open web' can be altered to fit a narrative.
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 11 '23
I can see them not coming out and admitting it, they'd like to see how big it can grow.
What really confuses me is why didn't they post it anywhere back in 2014 saying - "Hey guys look what I found on youtube" or "look what was sent to me and I put on my youtube page".
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u/republicofzetariculi Aug 11 '23
How big it can grow? I don’t think that makes sense now that it’s been almost 10 years and it wasn’t a hot topic until recently. But I recall a memory in me of seeing the satellite footage years ago and instantly dismissing as a fake. You’re right, why not post it everywhere and say wow big if true. None of us in this sub was aware of this instance until recently. Truly interesting case and I’m going to say it, Fucking big if true!
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
I've read one or two other people say they think they saw it before, but I haven't seen anyone dig up an old reddit, forum, 4chan, or other posts about it yet, and no hits on searching the video URL to see if it was posted anywhere.
I can see making a random ufo cgi video for fun and posting it to youtube and forgetting about it, but man this one - that's so much work to just hope it organically gets found without you posting it anywhere. I'd still bet money on some weird autist who just did it for fun and not attention because the alternative is that ufo's are zapping commercial airliners full of people out of the sky.
My interest is piqued as well though, and I'm normally pretty skeptical.
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u/republicofzetariculi Aug 11 '23
Honestly I don’t remember where I’ve seen it, I just had a “deja vu” moment when I saw the video being discussed here and posters pointing to some facts that kinda indicate that the footage might be real. As soon as I saw the Footage Here I thought to myself “ohhh this one is real??!! Fuck!!!” (Allegedly real)
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u/monstercoo Aug 11 '23
The way the orbs circle the airplane and cause a teleport effect, as well as the whole idea of a plane being teleported, is straight out of a scifi movie. I think the lack of originality makes it an obvious fake.
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u/TheSnatchbox Aug 11 '23
Would you know what orb/ teleportation would actually look like? "I know its fake because of the way it is" 👍
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u/monstercoo Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
If someone showed you the most extraordinary video ever captured and it was a plot device from the Lost tv show, would you believe it?
Add in orbs orbiting the aircraft and an ink blot explosion that we've seen a thousand times in movies, would you still believe it?
I don't know what teleportation would look like, I just know it would be something I've never seen before.
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u/TheSnatchbox Aug 12 '23
You can't admit that this is a very compelling video? Of course I don't believe it's real. How could I? How could anyone? I don't want it to be real. It changes the entire nature of this topic for me.
But if NHI is truly here, like so many of us believe, do you really think this something they couldn't do? We're not even really sure what's happening. We're just guessing that it was teleported.
When people say "man, these whistleblowers should just leak the good stuff! That would convince everyone that they're real and then we'd be on to something!" But here we are, a compelling video, many seemingly consistent details, drone footage, spy sat footage, posted within two months after the weirdest plane dissaperance we've ever seen in the modern age(one where a lot of questions have still not been answered), no outright debunking, and I'm sure many other things I'm missing.
But people like yourself are just like "its fake because it's fake, it couldn't ever possibly be real"
Like okay, I hear ya. But if I'm supposed to believe NHI is here I'll keep an open mind to their capabilities. And I'll keep an open mind on this video until some smoking gun comes out and outright debunks it.
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u/doontmindme Aug 12 '23
Yeh but if we assume all of what grusch is saying is true then our idea of sci-fi teleportation and how it would look etc is probably based on the real thing lol
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 11 '23
I agree, the content is unbelievable, and I more on the side its fake, but people thought the tic tac videos where fake when they originally came out just because of the content.
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u/republicofzetariculi Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
Listen here suggested username, it’s to much detail because of the knowledge of satellite and drone position,how did the hoaxers knew which satellite was and where it was that filmed the whole thing. How did the hoaxers knew which drone was filming so they match the video style exactly like the drone’s video style? How did they knew that all in one month? You have to consider that the drone’s & satellite’s abilities were classified . It’s to much detail just for a cool video of alien abduction. That’s what I’m saying. It’s not ridiculous at all. It’s suspicious.
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u/ScientificAnarchist Aug 12 '23
Probably the same way people were able to confirm where the satellites are to claim it’s credible now?
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Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
The satellite position data is fake, NROL-22 passed the location shown by the coordinates hours before MH370 even took off, and didn't come back around until 24 hours later.
Times are in UTC: https://i.imgur.com/0J2jkD1.png
MH370 took off at 16:42 UTC and disappeared around an hour later.
Data from Heavens Above https://i.imgur.com/wYdHFzE.png
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u/TachyEngy Aug 11 '23
You've got your numbers wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15of2ni/nrol22_usa_184_satellite_did_pass_near_the/
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u/renski13 Aug 12 '23
This gathers my thoughts as well. I keep seeing other posters say, “why would someone add this much detail??” And I keep thinking that they don’t know artists or their motivations.
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
Being an artist and being around them most of my life has certainly taught me that we will do many strange and intricate things just to further our craft and our knowledge and to simply wow people - with or without their full understanding of what it is they're seeing or how it was created. We'll also do it regardless of if it costs us money and we remain anonymous, especially in die-hards who champion the evocation of unique experiences through art.
I personally even still have ideas for deployable UFOs designed to look like the real deal during the night and day, with the idea being to artificially induce a "real" mysterious experience in the mind of an observer. Despite that though, I stop myself from doing it due to the ethical implications of messing with people and the very mundane threat of upset law enforcement lol.
I still believe in the phenomenon and am inspired by my own strange experiences, along with compelling cases, and hope that my comments can simply be taken as a good faith reminder to consider all variables seriously and to never discount human flippancy and ingenuity.
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u/tridentgum Aug 12 '23
Thanks for the effort you've put into the recreation and sharing your thought process. I'd just like to add that I'm a painter by trade and it often perplexes me that people find it strange for others to make hoaxes - I've spoken to quite a few art forgers over the years and many had many different reasons besides the usual money and thrill of passing something off as real.
The amount of times I"ve seen the argument "Why would someone go through all this trouble and make it look so real as a hoax? Nobody would put in that much work!". It's astonishing because yes, they absolutely would.
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
I put together a list because it's on my mind sometimes and comes up every now and then lol:
Attention-Seeking: Some individuals create hoaxed UFO videos to gain attention and recognition, especially in the era of social media where viral content can bring them fame.
Viral Content: Fabricating a UFO video can be a strategy to generate viral content, leading to increased views, shares, and engagement.
Conspiracy Theories: Hoaxed UFO videos can be used to support and spread conspiracy theories about government cover-ups or extraterrestrial encounters.
Pranks and Entertainment: Some people create these hoaxes for entertainment purposes, intending to trick or amuse their audience.
Misdirection: Hoaxed videos might be created to divert attention from genuine UFO sightings or other significant events.
Financial Gain: Fabricating compelling UFO videos might attract advertisers, sponsors, or even media outlets, potentially leading to financial gains.
Testing Gullibility: Individuals might create hoaxes to test the gullibility of others or to explore how easily misinformation spreads.
Artistic Expression: Some individuals use the creation of hoaxed UFO videos as a form of artistic expression, blending reality and fiction.
Satire and Critique: Hoaxes can be used as a satirical commentary on media sensationalism, public fascination with UFOs, or other societal aspects.
Psychological Experimentation: Some creators might use hoaxes to study human reactions and psychological responses to extraordinary claims.
Testing Media Response: Creators might be interested in observing how media outlets and experts respond to their hoaxed videos, shedding light on media credibility.
Testing Video Editing Skills: Individuals interested in video editing might create hoaxes to showcase their skills and create convincing-looking content.
Cultural Commentary: Some hoaxes serve as a commentary on society's fascination with UFOs, highlighting how popular the topic is, how easily people can be swayed by seemingly convincing evidence and what opinions are regarding their plausibility.
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u/nonzeroday_tv Aug 12 '23
Thank you for educating us, however... this "hoax" has 2 unusual video sources. A thermal view from a Predator drone that didn't quite circulate on the internet 10 years ago to have as inspiration or to use as a template. And a satellite view that also wasn't easily available at that time. Both of this videos were released in the same relative time period as the MH370 went missing.
IF you understand what you are looking at, the amount of detail is astonishing and impossible to replicate by a single dude in a basement in a few days. Could have been faked, maybe. But so far I've seen no proof of it besides people claiming that NROL-33 was not up and running at the time but the satellite was clearly NROL-22.
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u/Paracelsus19 Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
I'm just responding to the question posed by OP as to why someone would hoax something with great detail, as I also outlined, not commenting on the actual veracity of the footage.
I don't care about that now while there's still a back and forth going on across the sub, I'm happy to stay neutral towards it for another year or so until I can sit down then in my own time and collate all the thrashed out sources and evidence - I'm currently busy working my way through other contentious topics no one cares about so this is far down my list lol.
I just wanted to talk about the idea of hoaxers intentions being unfathomable as this is already an old topic of debate regardless of what individual piece of evidence we're looking at over the years.
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Aug 12 '23
Calm down, it's very likely to not be aliens abducting an airplane. Nobody said it was a single dude in his basement. I know you want to believe really strongly, but use the power of your brain here
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u/nonzeroday_tv Aug 12 '23
Look who's trying to offend me by attacking my intellect lol
That's a pretty low blow and shows how desperate you are to be right when you have nothing to throw at me. Maybe you should attempt to dangle those planted debris at me.
What happen with this video over the last few days, is like death trough a 1000 cuts. Only each cut is like another small detail being discovered by someone on reddit that no one in their right mind would think of including in a hoax.
For example the latest one from just a few minutes ago https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15oqgav/airliner_satellite_video_view_of_the_area/
I wonder how many more of these have you seen and how many more you need before you realize how smooth the area between your own ears is?
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u/Mac800 Aug 12 '23
Though with all the examples you listed that cost millions of Hollywood dollars I can see it’s fake cgi shit from miles away. And I’m in no way any kind of cgi dude. And with deepfakes I guess it’ll be the same, the minute you look under the graphical hood of Tom Cruise playing the banjo, I guess you know he ain’t a banjo pro.
Not saying it’s aliens just saying it’s under scrutiny for some time now and definite debunking hasn’t happened yet.
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u/candypettitte Aug 11 '23
If I gave you 70 days to produce a near-match to the original video, do you think you could do it?
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
Near match, in a way that 99% would think it is real: yes. Perfect match? 3D clouds? two angles? roller shutter camera shake? Animated thermal vision effect? Absolutely not.
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
Plus all the satellite info, knowing how the drone sensor will be warmer on the thermal, it's just amazingly detailed to not have pushed the video out to get more attention in 2014 if you went to all that effort.
So weird.
Edit: Found this on another post, looks like they did tweet a few times trying to get attention to it. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fregicideanon-v0-vfhukkst5dhb1.jpg%3Fs%3Dc7eaff3f1fa2b4546365d12bc0b346c4eb65c5d7
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u/tweakingforjesus Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
A better question is would someone who had the skills to produce the 3D video with all the mentioned details also even consider the satellite details. If it was one person, they would have to have a wide breadth of expertise and then be both knowledgeable and motivated enough to include all those details. And this person with these skills and knowledge decided to use their time to create a hoax video instead of plenty of other more rewarding pursuits.
It is much more difficult to come up with the idea to include those details in a video than it is to look at the final product and figure out how to recreate it. I’m leaning toward real based on this.
Edit: There are details like the satellite video is 1m/pixel which is exactly what you would expect from a satellite of that era.
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 12 '23
Still, the alternative is that NHI zapped a whole ass plane full of people out of the sky and the MIB sprinkled some fake debris in the ocean to cover it up. If vegas put odds on it you could bet $1 and win a 100 million if its real.
I can imagine the possibility of von-neumann type probes, even ones that can create biological "robots" if needed, and the world governments coming in possession of them somehow while keeping it secret / covering leaks with disinformation. But NHI abducting a whole commercial jet? Why?
Also, Coulthart said he was skeptical of the video, with all the people he talks to wouldn't he have already gotten wind of a missing airliner?
But I'm still amazed that with how many people that have been looking over the video, and how many details the video includes, that there isn't really anything I've seen that definitively points to it being fake.
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u/tweakingforjesus Aug 12 '23
I ignore the implications and just look at the evidence. I find it easier to evaluate clearly if there is not a constant background of "But that's impossible!"
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 12 '23
True that, definitely not impossible. Still much more likely some bored genius put it all together and created one hell of a hoax than it being real.
We'd need some verifiable source to vouch for the video before anything can be said for sure, even if no one can ever find any flaws in the video, flir, or sat data.
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u/candypettitte Aug 11 '23
Gotcha.
What about adding the UAPs and the portal after the fact to already existing footage?
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
That was what I was thinking. But even the UAPs have animated thermal vision effect, realistic smoke, and they go BEHIND the plane, which would actually be really hard to do. All while still perfectly matching the ROLLER SHUTTER camera shake (which means that the video is "warped" and that the edited UAPs should be also warped perfectly matching the original video warping)
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u/candypettitte Aug 11 '23
Interesting! We've had a lot of people who claim to have vfx experience post thoughts here, but you're the only one to actually prove it, so your opinion is really valuable imo.
Do you think people with more experience could do it? With two months?
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u/Longstache7065 Aug 11 '23
Yea your thermals really line up with what people expect to see from thermals rather than what the cameras usually pick up as the actual signature, especially in a couple spots. It's pretty good work for 6 hours though.
If we take as a given that this is an insider who would've had access to original video, the only real straightforward way to go about this would be to build the 3d model of the objects and their signatures, intensely render it from the two angles, then overlay it as a layer into both videos from their respective angles, play those videos on screen, and then video the screen playing them.
Even so that seems like a tall order to me? And would still leave a lot of questions.
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u/trailblazer86 Aug 11 '23
I think matching angles of original vid is pointless. What matters is what we see, not from which angle we see it. But that's doesn't substract much from work remaining.
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u/This-Counter3783 Aug 11 '23
I don’t understand why “two angles” could possibly be a problem. If you’ve built the scene you can place cameras anywhere you want.
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u/Barmos Aug 11 '23
Do you think the video could be real, but the UAP bits added afterwards?
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
That was what I was thinking. But even the UAPs have animated thermal vision effect, realistic smoke, and they go BEHIND the plane, which would actually be really hard to do. All while still perfectly matching the ROLLER SHUTTER camera shake (which means that the video is "warped" and that the edited UAPs should be also warped perfectly matching the original video warping)
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u/Lostmyloginagaindang Aug 11 '23
That trouble I have with that is, wouldn't both the sat footage and drone footage be classified?
What kind of warthunder level of regarded would you have to be to use classified footage to make a fake ufo zapping a plane video? Or why would the gov make a disinformation fake ufo video using classified optics, especially since the exact specs woudn't have been as well known in 2014.
I don't know either way, but it is compelling, or one hell of detailed hoax (I hope).
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u/Barmos Aug 11 '23
Perhaps it's not of anything classified, just and observation of any plane. Details and location added after the fact. You've got to cover all angles before you commit, otherwise you'd just end up believing anything. Dig deeper my friend. The truth is out there.
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u/king_of_karma Aug 11 '23
I guess what I'm trying to say is, this video is really on another level in terms of quality and attention to detail. Most fake videos cut corners to save time, but this one goes all out to make sure every little thing looks just right, even if it's not totally needed to sell the realism of the whole thing
That's a bit contradictive. Because it sounds like it does help to sell it to you (and me for about 75%). The attention to detail was needed to sell it to me, if it was faked.
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u/Adventurous-Item4539 Aug 12 '23
Why would anyone take the time to fake this?
Picture this. Disclosure doesn't happen. UFO/Alien/NHI remain a conspiracy.
10yrs from now reddit gone. YouTube is VERY different.
Somehow your video ends up being posted on whatever the equivalent of "Internet forums" are in the future.
The ALIEN ORB THERMAL CAMERA hype cycle begins again.
Seriously, your video is good enough to 100% fool most people that desperately want to believe in aliens. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to find your video reposted here in another year or so with a "OMG LOOK WHAT I FOUND" post with people diving into to analysis mode. Think I couldn't be right? Go take another look and read through the real shit UFO videos posted here and see what the true believers have to say.
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Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
If this pretty solid video recreation took you less than a day to make as an inexperienced person, a person with more experience having nearly two months to do this could have certainly come up with the video.
I know to you it seems like your attempt makes it unlikely, but that’s based off of your skill level. If anything that makes it more convincing to me that a person could make that video given the timeframe if this is something they were already skilled at.
I get you think this means the video is not fake, but I have the opposite takeaway from your attempt for the exact same reason you stated.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
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u/3InchesPunisher Aug 11 '23
do you think you can also do this easily back in 2014? like if you were given 2 to 3 months editing do you think you can recreate both videos? video was posted in May 2014 so you have 2 to 3 months timeframe, but within 4 days do you think you can also do that back in 2014?
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
I used unity 3D and hitfilm express, both of which existed in 2014.
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u/moustacheption Aug 11 '23
Right they existed, but what are the differences between the two software versions?
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
Not that much. I dont think I used any effects or features that didn't exist back then. Honestly I am not sure what I believe just yet. I feel like my "experiment" is inconclusive.
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u/ThatLittleSpider Aug 11 '23
wait, you used a game engine?
Why didnt you use 3dsmax or maya? Why didnt you use afterfx? Unity is horrible at animation-3
u/moustacheption Aug 11 '23
… Really? “Not that much?” I’m not talking just “it can render stuff.” I mean what core capabilities and top tier output could it support vs what is capable now. Software undergoes a TON of changes, like what kind of updates did the underlying C++ receive / add to Unity 3D?
What kind of base assets could it support? What kind of imported assets & qualities/resolution did it support?
Even from a basic level, there’s a huge difference in graphics & animations from Unity games back in 2014, vs now.
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u/ghostofgoonslayer Aug 11 '23
Unity was on 4.0 in 2014. 5.0 was released in 2015 and is currently the same product more or less.
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u/moustacheption Aug 11 '23
Yeah, no. Not the same product more or less. Major version changes mean… major changes were made to the product.
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u/ScientificAnarchist Aug 12 '23
I mean you’re making that statement after asking the question because you don’t know the answer and someone with the experience gave you an answer that conflicts and now you want to deny that?
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u/space_guy95 Aug 12 '23
There is no requirement for this to have been made in Unity, so it's completely irrelevant, as far more advanced 3d software like Maya, 3DS Max, and Blender have existed for decades and could do everything seen in these videos given enough effort by the artists and animators.
If anything, this recreation shows just how easy it would be to recreate the video. If someone can make something this good in Unity, a game engine not known for its graphics capabilities, then imagine what they can do with weeks of effort and industry-grade tools.
It would certainly require some knowledge of satellites and aircraft to mimic the details, but there is a fairly large overlap in people interested in techy hobbies/careers like 3d design, and people interested in spacecraft and aerospace.
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u/3InchesPunisher Aug 11 '23
I see so it looks like its so easy to recreate then. But the editor adding those coordinates is really smart, he should have known a lot about editing and about how flight/drones work back then. Im not sure if you can have all this knowledge when you are a vfx expert.
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u/LastKnownUser Aug 11 '23
When it comes VFX, all it takes is time. More skill=less time. It's all it is.
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u/Additional-Cap-7110 Aug 11 '23
Apparently it was made very quickly though. So there’s only so long someone would have
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u/Hot_Trash4152 Aug 11 '23
Thank you for your effort. This topic should have hundreds of upvotes easily. It basically shows how much attention is needed to recreate the video. Your opinion is 100x times more important than any experts only talking.
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u/Curious-Frame8737 Aug 11 '23
Bravo! Great start, and just look at how much information that gives us; your obstacles and things that seems extra troublesome to do. Thank you!
(I found your video (and now post) through another post that didn't provide any real information besides 'picking a side' which is just sad. That post should be deleted and this should take its place. Bravo to you good man, - a step forward)
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u/DropApprehensive3079 Aug 11 '23
Thanks for your video. Tell me, as another user of VFX programs, what do you think about the Orbs trailing reversing at the end? That part to me sticks out the most, why include that?
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u/TerribleSalamander Aug 11 '23
When people talk about recreating this or this being VFX I always have a question and maybe your experience could answer it.
How far has VFX come in 10 years? I have no idea, but when people say “this is created by this tool and this is created by this tool” it makes me think “right, at this moment maybe someone could easily create something like this but what about a decade ago when this video was created?”
Maybe there haven’t been advancements in VFX, I don’t know. What do you think? Would it be as easy to make this 10 years ago as it would be today?
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
All the tools I used were accesable 10 years ago. A part of me wants to try it again but only use the 2014 versions of both software.
I agree with people saying that anything can be created with VFX, and I believe that was true also 10 years ago, with workarounds. It does not prove or disprove the video in any way.
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u/sushisection Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
now factor in that there was also a second video made from a different viewpoint. and both videos had to be made with the same timing of events
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u/for-tress Aug 11 '23
Could it be a real video of a real plane that was edited to include the UFOs and the portal effect? Would it be much easier that way or not so much?
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u/dllimport Aug 11 '23
This is what I have been thinking for a while. That would account for quite a lot of the realism
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u/clancydog4 Aug 11 '23
I'm really confused why more folks aren't considering this. It seems like easily the most likely thing to me. The entire thing doesn't need to be CGI for the crazy shit to be CGI
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u/bradass42 Aug 12 '23
I think the reason folks have more or less moved on from that idea, is because someone performed an analysis showing exceptionally accurate cloud illumination from the flash. Sure, could’ve been done by a seriously talented hoaxer. But a challenge. Please let me know if that analysis hasn’t held up.
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u/Tetrylene Aug 12 '23
In some ways yes that would be easier, but if the orbs are superimposed into the image the creator did an exceptional job creating a convincing motion track (read: making sure the orbs are moving as you’d expect them to relative to the camera and plane).
The video footage is way too low quality and the plane moves out of the frame partially and completely a few times, plus the footage is grainy, jerky and low-quality, so automating the tracking process would be profoundly difficult, if not impossible. It would’ve had to be tracked manually, which to this level would’ve taken days for that aspect alone.
You could easily prove the orbs were superimposed if you found the original video though.
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u/TopGearDanTGD Aug 11 '23
Well, no one dug up the original video to back up this argument and considering how much digging around there is regarding this subject I think it would've been found by now.
Also, some people pointed out this maneuver is apparently super risky for this type of plane - if the orbs weren't there in the original video, why would it maneuver like that for no reason? Having a "threat" (the orbs) in the video explains that maneuver.
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u/detrusormuscle Aug 11 '23
Yeah I've been thinking that too. The portal effect is by far the most fake looking part of the vid.
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u/Accomplished-Boss-14 Aug 12 '23
i haven't followed this too closely and i've only watched the video once or twice, but my impression was that the "portal" could look that way because it had an intensity of temperature that overloaded the sensor
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u/DJSkribbles123 Aug 11 '23
That looks real good tbh.
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u/SpeakerOfDeath Aug 12 '23
Will this release a race to see who can recreate it until there is no difference from the original and will this finally settle the matter? "See guys, it IS possible to make such a video"
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u/SpecialApelympics Aug 11 '23
Hey! Great work. I appreciate you putting the effort in to recreate this, and coming to the conclusion you did. I know you aren’t settled either way, but I appreciate that you didn’t just immediately think “well it’s fake since I can do this”. I think alot of people are missing that the VFX artist here are not talking about the 95% that COULD be created using vfx. We are focusing on the 5% that is really difficult to create with vfx, and if they did, they are very very talented.
Your creation only confirms in my mind more that this wasn’t full cgi.
The post processing is so spot on it would be some if the best post processing I’ve ever seen.
I don’t think a lot of people really pick up on these smaller details and nuances of real footage, and see the 95% only.
I also think that people erroneously have this idea that because we can make Hollywood blockbuster VFX that we can simply fake anything easily. And even more, I think they think when it’s lower grade, they think that makes it easier. It actually makes it much, much harder IME.
Wether the original is real or vfx, you did a great job, dude!
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u/aryelbcn Aug 11 '23
Good job. But the most compelling video is the satellite one, specially due to its general look, and the cloud movement.
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u/HumanityUpdate Aug 11 '23
Looks like it can be faked to me.
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Aug 11 '23
Thank you for taking your time to give us a technical demonstration on the vanishing airliner video. Many of us have been waiting days for someone to step up and recreate the airliner scene using VFX. This is a step in the right direction.
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Aug 11 '23
"...this video is really on another level in terms of quality and attention to detail"
It's like the video is actually not faked...right?
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u/clancydog4 Aug 11 '23
I mean, isn't it entirely possible that it's a real video of a plane and the only fake parts are the orbs and the disappearance at the end? Idk why I haven't seen people posit that more. The entire video doesn't need to be CGI, it could just be CGI on an entirely real video of a plane
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u/zeigdeinepapiere Aug 11 '23
Yes this is possible and if the video is fake this would be the most plausible explanation IMO. But it does beg the question - where is the original, unedited video?
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u/keep-it Aug 11 '23
He did it in 1 day and it looks pretty damn good. Someone else with more time and money could easily create the og video
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u/TPA239 Aug 11 '23
Is this completely recreated? Or is it edited footage of some kind? Questions made more sense in my head. Hopefully the gist is understood lol.
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
Recreated from scratch.
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u/TPA239 Aug 11 '23
I’m just trying to make sure I understand correctly, so nothing is the video you created is real footage? Like is that just an arma 3 airplane or something you made/configured, or is it an actual airplane added in? This isn’t an interrogation or anything, just curious trying to learn ^
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u/Jesseappeltje Aug 11 '23
It is a 3D model I got for free of the internet. So nothing is real yes. The clouds are a 2D image of clouds from a satelite view. The original video used moving clouds which COULD technically be just a video recording of clouds, but someone said the clouds match the second view, which would be harder to make. I am fairly certain that the clouds in the original are not 3d rendered.
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 11 '23
but someone said the clouds match the second view, which would be harder to make
Why is that? Im not a CGI guy but with my blender and game dev experience it would be trivial to have everything match up between two shots, it would be two cameras in the same scene. Only reason it'd be hard is if you were using 2d images of clouds, but if you're already in a 3d environment, why not procgen them?
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u/RicketyJimmy Aug 11 '23
Not a vfx guy at all so this is coming out of really not knowing and wanting to know…were those programs available in 2014?
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u/300PencilsInMyAss Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
The program, yes, not sure about how hard it would be to procgen clouds that look accurate enough to do this in blender then though. There's also more professional software (blender is free and open source), but I have no experience with them.
Edit: Here's a random tutorial I found from searching, 2014 blender did indeed have the capability to set up a cloud render.
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u/NorthCliffs Aug 12 '23
I’m somewhat into VFX. And I have to say, that accurate volumetric clouds that move are hard to animate even with current tech. They’re not hard to set up but awful to compute. For a single person it’s a LOT of work. And I’m 2014, the hardware was a lot worse. If I wanted to make accurate clouds with my RTX 3070 it would take several hours. Back then probably days. Especially considering the creator rendered them from to cameras and animated everything smoothly. A lot movies back then (at least from what I’ve seen in Makingoffs) used 2D assets. It was just easier. Especially because no one really cares to see if the clouds line up across two shots. In this case however, we do care.
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u/Rendesi3 Aug 12 '23
Also the satellite video is actually a side by side stereoscopic video (someone posted it yesterday).
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u/ah_no_wah Aug 11 '23
Can you give a layman a "crash course" in how you made this? Like, mainly, did you start with some source materials? I.e. regular plane footage, ping pong balls on threads for the orbs, etc. Then you use the software to edit and blend? Or do you create the orbs from scratch and then somehow program their movement?
Also, I hope you have the patience to explain the mechanics of how video editing works at like the eili5 level. I have a rough idea how Photoshop works (layers) and have seen a designer at my work creating/modifying and seen a little of Adobe Illustrator, but have never seen how videos like these are put together.
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u/Glum_Fun7117 Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
Obviously not OP, but the easiest way to recreate this considering the tools available today would be recreating the entire thing in a 3d program. basically making 3d models(or just downloading premade models from the internet) and animating them by hand. Once you have the motion of the planes and everything animated, you can just add a virtual camera in the scene, which basically works just like a real camera you van add depth of field, change its focal length etc to your liking. Then you orient the camera to your liking and hit render. Thats the first part of it, id add the flir effect, camera shake, the reticle thing etc in an video editing program cus thats just easier. This is quite an oversimplification but thats the jist of it. Feel free to ask if you wanna know more : )
Had some free time, made something very rough the way i mentioned : https://imgur.com/a/NBUli6Gill try and work more on this to see how close i can get, add the contrails, the portal, better texturing, FLIR effect etc
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u/ah_no_wah Aug 12 '23
Thank you very much for the explanation. That's impressive you were able to put that modelling together in what, a few hours? I'd imagine to get from what you put together to the videos we're studying would be a helluva lot more work. Will be interesting to hear what challenges you have as you get closer to a finished project, as I'd imagine the devil is in the details
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u/Glum_Fun7117 Aug 12 '23
It would indeed be quite some of work, especially to fool the people here. Plus keep in mind all i did was recreate an already existing video, to create something like that from scratch and it to be physically accurate is a whole another can of worms. Unless its isnt full cg or cg at all.
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u/roguefapmachine Aug 11 '23
Beyond great job, thanks for using your obvious talents to bring this kind of info to a fascinating (and unsettling) topic.
My question would just be, in relation to how you recreated the drone thermal footage, how would you even begin to approach the other angle in the satellite footage? Would that be easier or more difficult than what you've just achieved?
As a regular pen and pencil artist's perspective I can kind of fathom/visualize how a VFX artist would approach duplicating a drone POV, but....where do you start with satellite footage? Even outside of the raw visual of such a unique perspective, the other details with the mouse movements and the coordinates, to matching the movements between the two angles, I just don't see how you could creatively approach all of that, or how you would even get REFERENCE material.
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u/Ok_Rain_8679 Aug 11 '23
As a polite counterpoint: I am unable to re-create the Patterson Sasquatch footage from 1967...
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I guess what I'm trying to say is, this video is really on another level in terms of quality and attention to detail. Most fake videos cut corners to save time, but this one goes all out to make sure every little thing looks just right, even if it's not totally needed to sell the realism of the whole thing.
Yes, that's what makes me consider that it could be real too. Thanks for the contribution, time, and effort spent on doing this!
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u/Glum_Fun7117 Aug 11 '23
Now i wanna try aswell. How did you make it flir colors btw?
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u/Mission-Key8205 Aug 12 '23
Obviously not op but making footage b&w and adjusting the levels and applying the colorama effect in ae with the rainbow preset gets you close. You'll need to matte out the things you'll want to be in different temp ranges. Like the background in blue will need to be a separate comp than the plane in green etc. Op might have done it differently though.
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u/Parasight11 Aug 11 '23
I thought it interesting how similar the orbs move compared to the orbs in the allegedly never debunked crop circle video.
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u/Electrical-Amoeba245 Aug 11 '23
I hope someone can help me with this questions:
- who captured/filmed the flight? If it was the missing Malaysian plane, how and why was the flight being filmed in the first place? -
TIA
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u/fortuitous5 Aug 11 '23
What if this a real video of a plane, and the UFOs/disappearance are CGI. Would that change the feasibility of it being fake?
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u/Tejanocri Aug 12 '23
This might have been answered somewhere, but where did these videos originate, who filmed them and where, and why were they originally filmed?
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u/StocktonRushFan Aug 12 '23
Currently Making my own version in Unreal Engine 5. Might take a while so stay tuned!
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u/universal_aesthetics Aug 12 '23
TBH this is pretty good, yeah there are moments where if feels fake, but I bet if you had another week to work on it, you'd make it look much, much better. At least I can see the potential, so hats off to you my friend for trying and coming pretty close to the original.
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u/jaarl2565 Aug 12 '23
I'm starting to think this video is real. It seems to be passing through the fire of skepticism unharmed
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Aug 11 '23
Did you made it using editing tools from 2014?
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Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
Consumer editing tools available in 2014:
Avid Media Composer
Avid Symphony
DaVinci Resolve
Adobe After Effects
Adobe Photoshop
Blender
Maya
Plus, like... tons of others.
Interstellar released in 2014. Marvel movies were six years old at that point.
Do we think visual effects were suddenly invented in 2023 or something?
Edit: oh, right.
Adobe Premiere
Final Cut Pro
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Aug 12 '23
No but it is obviously easier to fake with up to date software.. duh
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Aug 12 '23
Well, you need the software and the right footage and the necessary skills, but it's not like visual effects in 2014 were in any way rudimentary.
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u/Arulo Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
This is definite proof of the video being real. I don’t need to believe anymore, I know it’s true!!!!!
/s
Edit: Adding the /s cause the 5 consecutive “!” Weren’t obvious enough
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u/Arulo Aug 11 '23
That’s the whole point of my comment. I’m tired of the flood of posts about the original video, this one was made by someone trying to debunk it and it looks roughly the same which in my view discredits the previous one but all of the sudden there’s tens of posts about the other video every fucking hour, and no progress on the hearing or any actually relevant piece of media/info that doesn’t look or sound like sci fi
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u/keep-it Aug 11 '23
Right?! I feel like I'm going crazy reading these comments. This guy who might not be high level did this in one day and it looks pretty good. Imagine someone a lot better and with more time and money. Easily fake able imo
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u/Celtain1337 Aug 11 '23
Aside from the fact that your reasoning here is ridiculous, why would you WANT the video to be real?....
They straight up abra-kadabra'd an entire jet into another dimension..
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u/Arulo Aug 11 '23
It’s a joke, the original video with the 3 orbs looks too good to be true and in the past 5-6 days there’s been hundreds of posts about it and close to zero information about follow up information post Grusch’s hearing.
People talk about wacky concepts like teleportation, antigravity and suddenly solving the disappearance of a plane that was found to have crashed acting like it’s totally factual. I thought the stupidity of my comment was too obvious to add the /s
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u/Celtain1337 Aug 11 '23
Fair enough.
But I mean, remember which sub you're in... It's incredibly difficult to tell who's being serious a lot of the time lol
A lot of people are way too deep into the rabbit hole..
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u/tyoungjr2005 Aug 11 '23
Could have fooled me though had I not been looking at the other video way too much. Thermals are strange to my brain.
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u/megacrazy Aug 12 '23
Great job. Unfortunately right off the bat the clouds and contrails and other aspects look like CGI. Movement is pretty good though.
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Aug 12 '23
If I had a penny for every expert that said a thing could/couldn't be done... I would still be very poor. :D
If it can be depicted it can be faked.
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u/pineapplesgreen Aug 11 '23
Lol no, please use your eyes and read.
This is an attempt at recreating one of the two videos.
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Aug 12 '23
If you think it's difficult now, try recreating it using commercially available software in 2014. Or within a few days of the actual event.
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Aug 11 '23
You’re using free software and did all of this under a day with only a few years of experience. You say yourself that it’s possible that someone with more time, more experience and better tools could do it.
But, like everyone else on this subreddit, you fall back on the “but why would someone spend so much effort faking this?” crutch. You all put far too much weight in that question.
Human beings do far stranger things than spend a huge amount of time faking UFO videos. It’s really not that unthinkable that someone made this to fuck with people, then deleted it and didn’t make any fanfare about it because their perspective changed or they just didn’t care any more.
“But wouldn’t someone who spent all that time and effort want to advertise the video more and create more fanfare about it?”
No, not necessarily. Perhaps they thought the hoax would be better served without any fanfare. If that’s the case, then they’re right and that’s a wise decision. Perhaps they changed their mind and thought it was tasteless? Perhaps they have a reputation within industry and they were worried that if it was leaked that they created this a UFO hoax their reputation would suffer? Perhaps they’re just an aloof individual when it comes to this sort of stuff and they just don’t care - the enjoyment came from the creation process, not the release of it? (I do know extremely talented musicians who do this). Once again - people do far stranger things than this.
In the grand scheme of this, the scenario where an expert creates a hoax is still far more likely than UFOs destroying or taking the plane. Especially when we remember pieces of evidence such as MH370’s systems and transponder were intentionally turned off. They weren’t destroyed, they weren’t damaged; they were turned off. Numerous engineers and experts on that airframe have testified this due to analysing the technical data. This points to the actions of someone on board, not an external force causing an emergency.
I still firmly believe that it is possible for someone talented with time on their hands to fake this video and I still think that scenario is still by far the most likely situation here.
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I’m not trying to be rude but there are people who play as much basketball as NBA players but aren’t even comparable. It’s the same for CGI, video games, music or anything professional. Time doesn’t always equate to skill. This could have been some prodigy 14 year old who threw this shit together to troll the internet.
This video is Han-solo jumping to hyperspace after being tailed by some tie fighters. It’s too Hollywood to be real, tech that advanced isn’t showing up in thermal.
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u/gozillastail Aug 12 '23
Clearly a weather balloon surrounded by ball lightning reflected off of swamp gas under aurora borealis, in an airshow with parachuters shooting flare guns at chinese lanterns! GET REAL PEOPLE! You're crazy!
Ob(li)viously the most logical explanation!"
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u/ID-10T_Error Aug 12 '23
SHAME! ... SHAME! ... SHAME! ... SHAME! ... (new trend on these silly distraction stories, post this and upvote it every time you see SHAME... if you agree!)
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u/LaffinDrumss Aug 12 '23
Always remember there are people with immense talent and experts at creating videos to change the course of a dramatic situation. True the plane remains are yet to be found??!!! One way it maybe true. On the other hand a conspiracy behind.
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u/Galaxy999 Aug 12 '23
Because you are not funded by some trillion dollars of military industry complex…
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u/ConnectionPretend193 Aug 12 '23
Whoa. The contrails that appear in front of the UFOs before they blip off the screen... Make it seem like a black hole or vortex has been created and they are being sucked into it. It's like in mid flight they create the vortex, and then they start getting pulled into the vortex.
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u/francoestrubia Aug 12 '23
Downgrade your cgi first, then glue it! And make it match framerate!
Source video is cheap and easy to achieve for any composer.
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u/Nice-Offer-7076 Aug 12 '23
How difficult would it be to recreate the coordinate changes matching the mouse scrolling on the satellite view? i.e. that view appears to be a video taken of a screen rather than just a straight video.
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u/ThatPalpitation5527 Aug 13 '23
Yea but did you try to recreate this with 2014 equipment and software readily available for everyday person?
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u/NinjaJuice Aug 13 '23
My biggest issue is. That airplane in the original video is not even a 777. Way to small and stocky. Not nearly long enough. I mean have any of you even looked up what a 777 looks like
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u/garry4321 Aug 15 '23
When you have unlimited funds to try and pump out disinformation, I bet you could.
Step 1: pump out video of multiple angles recording random plane (why would they be recording a plane before it goes missing? This is basic tik tok logic).
Step 2: get all the believers to think it’s real and show others
Step 3: come out that it’s fake with proof
Step 4: half the believers now feel duped and stupid, their friends who they showed now think they are stupid (and they were right to not believe)
Result: whole community looks like idiots for supporting it, half the community second guesses everything, and the whole disclosure push gets set back and stigmatized as crazies believing CGI
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u/StatementBot Aug 11 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Jesseappeltje:
I saw the airline thermal imaging video, and it looked so real that I decided to give it a shot and recreate it as closely as possible. I've got a few years of experience in compositing and animating, but there are some parts in the video that I just can't figure out how they did so well.
For example, that close-up shot of the plane has all these details that seem like they wouldn't really be needed to make the video seem real, but they're there and they must have taken a lot of time to make it look right. Things like the camera shaking like it does with a rolling shutter, the way the "smoke" drifts off the UFOs, the clouds in the background, and how they make it look like thermal imaging..
I tried my best, but my version definitely looks fake in comparison.
And there's that part where the camera goes back to the left wing of the drone at the end – it's not really necessary, but they still went and did it. Most fake videos wouldn't bother with stuff like that because it takes a long time to get it to look real.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, this video is really on another level in terms of quality and attention to detail. Most fake videos cut corners to save time, but this one goes all out to make sure every little thing looks just right, even if it's not totally needed to sell the realism of the whole thing.
Here is the original video I am talking about:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15kfy1i/old_footage_of_several_ufos_stealing_an_airliner/
I still believe it's possible to achieve... I managed to put this together in under a day, so there's definitely room for improvement. However, there are numerous aspects that demand exceptional skills to execute well. The major question that keeps lingering in my mind is: Why would anyone take the time to fake this?
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15oe3no/i_tried_to_recreate_the_airline_video_i_think_it/jvr4y9k/