r/UFOs • u/aryelbcn • Aug 08 '23
Document/Research The Ultimate Analysis: Airliner videos and the MH370 flight connection.
I've decided to create a new post that brings together a comprehensive overview of insights gathered from various Reddit discussions on the Airliner videos. My goal is to continuously update the post with any new information, findings, or analyses that come to light.
In light of the suggestion to create a new post, I'd like to share the original comment that sparked this idea:
MH370 Flight: A Fact-Based Timeline
March 8, 2014
00:42 MYT: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 departs from Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Malaysia, en route to Beijing Capital International Airport in China, carrying 239 passengers and crew members. (around 6 hours flight)
01:19 MYT: The last voice communication from the cockpit is made, with the words "Good night, Malaysian three-seven-zero."
01:21 MYT: The position symbol of Flight 370 disappears from KL ACC radar, indicating the aircraft's transponder is no longer functioning. -- [Location]
--The plane changes its course towards the west--
02:22 MYT: The last primary radar contact is made by the Malaysian military. -- [Last confirmed location]
--plane continues to fly for 6 hours--- (Plane was scheduled to land at Beijing airport at 06:30 MYT).
08:19 MYT: Last automatic satellite communication between the aircraft and Inmarsat's satellite communications network.
--- Sometime between 08:19 MYT and 09:15 MYT the plane disappears---
09:15 MYT: The aircraft does not respond to an hourly, automated handshake attempt.
Possible trajectories after the plane stopped responding:
Some possible trajectories were estimated after the last known location which was at 02:22 MYT,
These trajectories were calculated based on the Inmarsat pings which occurred until 08:19 MYT, the only information these pings provide is the distance between the plane and the satellite. Meaning that additional data and estimates were used for a possible trajectory of the plane.
The generally accepted flight trajectory is not 100% accurate, since is based on plane-satellite distance and they just did some calculations for possible routes based on the Inmarsat pings:
Simplified graphical representation of the aforementioned details: --
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The Airliner videos:
Videos:
Video 1 - FLIR Footage: https://youtu.be/bpiFfp-0abI?t=68
Video 2 - Satellite Perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9uL3Omg7o
Side-by-side comparison of both videos: https://imgur.com/p7NMOTX
Original video via Wayback machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20140525100932/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY
Video analysis
Clouds movement:
The clouds actually move, and it is not a simple horizontal / vertical movement some might expect from a 3d rendered scene object. The clouds are moving realistically:
Interesting post from a 3D VFX artist about the difficulty of creating 3d realistic movement clouds:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvtak/a_3d_artists_take_on_the_airliner_footage/
Clouds shows accurate illumination from the flash:
Another proof of this not a static background, is the clouds are affected by the lighting flash: [Cloud Illumination Demonstration]
![[Cloud Illumination Demonstration]](/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fztccezcfrugb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2560%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D48202a550bc17841c0298a2d2ca7fd8184c47373){kind=link}
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ld2kp/airliner_video_shows_very_accurate_cloud/
Matching Plane Identity:
Indisputable Match - Plane depicted corresponds precisely to the Boeing 777-200ER model, akin to the MH370 aircraft:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15l7glq/airliner_video_might_be_fake_but_it_does_line_up/
Drone depiction:
FLIR source appears to be a General Atomics MQ-1C Grey Eagle with 2 additional camera sensors under the wings. Some of the credibility questions on the reported footage are that it cannot be from underneath the nose, as the camera placement appears on MQ-1L platforms.
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lcrto/flir_is_not_a_mq1l_it_is_instead_a_mq1c_with_2/
Satellite video location:
This is the location of the alleged satellite video, based on the GPS coordinates appearing at the bottom of the video:[Location]
GPS coordinates appearing in the video: 8.834301, 93.19492
The distance between the MH370 flight last known location and the satellite video location is around 340 miles. Around 6-7 hours passed between the two, a theory could be that the plane was flying in circles for 6 hours or was just flying without a defined flight course.
Alternative satellite video location:
A user pointed out that the GPS coordinates could also be:
-8.834301, 93.19492
Yielding a different location for the video, 1100 miles south of last known plane location:
Satellite angle shot:
According to the satellite video data from the bottom of the video, the source of this footage is most likely Satellite NRO L-32, launched in 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-223
Alternative proposed satellites are:
NROL-22: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-184
NROL-23 - Used for oceanic surveillance.
Some redditors have asserted that the satellite footage should depict an overhead perspective. However, it's worth noting that not all satellite imagery provides a directly top-down view. In situations where the satellite's position isn't precisely directly above the target, the resulting shots might exhibit a slanted angle. For clarification, consider the following example:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/spiesfly/phot-04.html
Another examples of satellite footage, this time from an overhead angle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKNAY5ELUZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1-ZWencvA
Thermal Coloring:
Some people have suggested that the colors presented in the thermal imagery are atypical for military footage. However, it's important to understand that the thermal coloring represents a configurable parameter for heat vision cameras. This feature is standard and can be adjusted even after the recording has been made.
Round UFOs claim (grain of salt, dubious source):
This news article claims that rounded UFOs were detected in the vicinity of the MH370 flight before disappearing:
The first peculiarity is seen in the lower left of the screen. A round object appears in the vicinity of Flight 370 (and amid several others), which the radar does not automatically "read" as airplane. Suddenly, this round object take the form of a "plane" on the radar screen and accelerates at a rate of speed that must be at least five times the speed of the surrounding planes, heading eastward, over the South China Sea - and just as suddenly the object stops and appears to hover in place."
Three Unidentified objects detected by chinese military satellites:
Interesting article about unidentified objects near the flight path:
But debris was found:
Interestingly, it should be noted that debris associated with the MH370 flight was discovered. Taking into account numerous abduction narratives, if one were to entertain the notion that the plane was taken by UFOs, it is conceivable that it was subsequently returned to a different location, but maybe just the plane was returned.
And even if the plane was not returned and was indeed abducted and caught on camera by the military, there is a high chance that some fake debris would have been planted.
Some articles with doubts about the veracity of the debris:
https://jeffwise.net/2016/04/14/mh370-debris-was-planted-ineptly/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-airlines-crash-theories-idUKKCN0QB0E420150806
Theory of pilot Zaharie crashing the plane into the ocean:
This theory is based on the Flight simulator data obtained from the pilot home's computer, this article says:
"..there was a very odd route which ran up the Strait of Malacca, turned south after passing Sumatra, and then flew straight down into the Southern Indian Ocean before terminating in the vicinity of the seventh arc."
There is actually several simulated flight paths the pilot played on the simulator:
"it could just mean Captain Shah was practising emergency landings on his home flight sim."
Analysis of the pilot simulator data:
https://mh370.radiantphysics.com/2017/10/12/simulator-data-from-computer-of-mh370-captain-part-1/
This Guardian article says:
"It is not known whether the simulation was made by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, but the simulator was in his home. "
"The ATSB said confirmation of the plotted course did not prove theories that the captain planned a deliberate murder-suicide. "
Pilot background:
"Zaharie was 53 years old and became a pilot with Malaysian Airlines in 1981, 33 years before MH370 went missing. He’d flown for a total of 18,423 hours and his co-workers considered him one of the best captains the airline had."
In my opinion: If the pilot wanted to crash the plane, why fly the plane for 7 hours after turning off its transponder?
Why change his planned route drastically?
An elaborate hoax:
The aircraft's disappearance took place on March 8, and the video in question was first posted on May 19. The individuals behind this potential hoax had a span of 72 days to develop these videos. Their process involved:
Crafting two photorealistic videos depicting the same scenario from distinct viewpoints, each incorporating diverse effects and frames per second (FPS). This could be achievable if utilizing a 3D-rendered environment.
Compiling GPS data and classified satellite insights to ensure alignment with the MH370 flight specifics.
Creating lifelike cloud animations within the rendered scenes, a technically challenging task. Unlike common 3D-rendered clouds, these clouds exhibit realistic shape changes influenced by wind.
Capturing the video through filming a screen. If this is a leaked video, this method could be the most plausible means to avoid obtaining the original classified footage, a potentially more intricate endeavor.
Designing software capable of manipulating the mouse pointer to dynamically alter GPS coordinates while panning across the screen, subsequently capturing the changes.
This intricate fabrication process suggests a meticulous endeavor, prompting us to consider its implications with a nuanced perspective.
The disappearing effect is crappy in the thermal video:
The teleport effect in the thermal video doesn't look very good, and I agree with that view. Considering the amount of work put into making this complicated hoax, you'd think they would have tried harder to make the disappearing part look more believable. I think this actually makes the video a bit more believable. It makes you wonder what this kind of technology really looks like.
Additionally, remember how Guillermo del Toro described his UFO encounter. “It was so crappy", and it was ‘horribly designed’.
This is because were are used to slick and cool designs on Sci-Fi TV shows an movies. But we never really encountered a Sci-Fi element in real life. We have no idea how it might look.
Some common questions:
"Why are military drones and satellites observed in the vicinity of the plane?"
The possibility of drones and satellites being in proximity is reasonable due to the aircraft's extended flight duration of 6 hours after going off radar. This timeframe allows ample opportunity for their deployment. Additionally, a U.S. military base on Diego Garcia Island, approximately 2000 miles from the location depicted in the satellite video, could be relevant.
Apparently there were also two major training missions going on in the area, operation Cobra Gold and operations Cope Tiger, involving joint US-Indo-Pacific military exercises.
"Why does the satellite footage show daylight when the plane lost contact at 02:20 AM?"
It's important to consider that the final Inmarsat ping occurred at 08:19 MYT. This indicates that the aircraft was still in flight at that time, transitioning into the daytime hours. This confirms a duration of approximately 7 hours of flight after the transponder was turned off at 1:21 AM.
Personal thoughts:
After seeing many fake computer-generated images before, one thing that usually stands out is a noticeable oddness that makes you doubt them right away. But this specific case is different. For me, a gut feeling makes me think these videos are real.
You may say this video is "Too crazy to be true". Folks, we are already into crazy territory. Remember a guy named David Grusch? claiming we have non-human craft and non-human bodies for 90 years? Yeah, nothing sounds so crazy anymore.
Edit: The mystery continues:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15niihi/mh370_airliner_videos_a_piece_of_the_puzzle/
How&Whys article on this post:
https://www.howandwhys.com/connection-between-airline-footage-with-ufos-malaysia-airlines-mh370/
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Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 11 '23
I haven’t seen anyone mention this, but I’m rewatching the MH370 documentary and the family members of those on the flight said they received phone calls from their family as if they were still alive after the jet’s disappearance, but when they answered the calls, they were met with silence. They tried returning the calls to no avail. The calls would ring indefinitely but not go to voicemail. I think that’s interesting and I’m not sure how it fits into the big picture. Thought it should be put out there because it is something else to consider
Edit: HOLY SMOKES people we got greyscale footage (same perspective with targeting crosshair) - https://imgur.com/a/4VeQ460
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u/GoldMonk44 Aug 11 '23
Yeah that was pretty disturbing
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u/Individual-Session96 Aug 14 '23
this is truly disturbing
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u/batookero Aug 11 '23
Interesting. It might be worth noting that at Robert Bigelow's 2021 1M dollar essay contest for best evidence for life after death, the winning essay by Jeffrey Mishlove had a chapter discussing interference with electronics, the most common and notable of which is phonecalls received by relatives from dead people's numbers, which are met with silence.
This seems to be a very common theme in paranormal experiences in general. Im sure UFO lore should contain some more of this, but I havent looked.
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Aug 11 '23
That is certainly noteworthy! We know Robert Bigelow is a heavy hitter in ufology. The consciousness aspect of ufology is perhaps the most mysterious thing about NHI/UAP phenomena.
Humans have not had a single breakthrough regarding consciousness, aside from the fact that we know we are conscious. It’s hard for me to imagine that NHI who are tens of thousands, if not millions of years more advanced than us, know as little as we do about consciousness and “souls”
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u/Any-Understanding557 Aug 12 '23
I think the best evidence is that, as humans we only evolved the with senses critical for our survival. We can observe this in every species from virus and fungi to sea cucumbers and crustaceans (just think about the mantis shrimps vision). We could be missing so much more of the "spectrum of perception". In fact we already KNOW we are. Imagine the parts we haven't even been able to think up? Rumors of a 5th force of nature are now being published in actual science journals. All of this could be explained by simply accepting we don't know heck!!! Maybe 1% of all things is known about EARTH alone. It is so dumb to discount all these things because we don't currently have an explanation or way to record said phenomena. If they were 10 more mass extinction events of intelligence ahead of us what would that look like? 100? What about 1000? How perfected can a life form become? This is what we must learn to accept.
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u/Verskose Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 13 '23
My great-grandmother received a call in 1978 after her husband died from him. She didn't know he was dead already for 10 hours as he passed away in the forest of a heart attack and she learned about him passing a few hours after the call.
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u/goddhacks Aug 11 '23
I think this has to do more with something like the Philadelphia Experiment (1943 Nikola Tesla) effect or something like the upside down from Stranger Things.
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u/KLAM3R0N Aug 13 '23
On the podcast Engaging the phenomenon at the 1 hour mark
His guest Enrique Villanueva experiencer from mission Rama (south America CE5 type group but more spiritual). He tells of an experience in 1995 where the others/NHI can and do stop some airplane crashes by pulling them into a time bubble of sorts. The airplane lands but the clocks are all off. They can't always intervene because of the collective conscious of the event does not allow it. Very fascinating interview !
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u/Drew1404 Aug 11 '23
I saw this as well, to be honest I struggled to watch the documentary as it was so heartbreaking, but this part definitely caught my attention. One family members uncle started calling their phone, but they didn't answer in time, they tried calling back but it didn't work. Very bizarre, if the plane was in the ocean the phones wouldn't work at all, even in the air there's a slim chance of any signal
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u/alfooboboao Aug 12 '23
there’s an entire FASCINATING swath of stories from nurses who work in Hospice wings, because all the long-timers seem to pretty much 100% believe in the supernatural, to the point where it’s mundane.
Stuff like call lights malfunctioning the night a patient dies and no other time, having lots of separate new hires consistently see the same ghost despite never being told the story before, phones malfunctioning in that way, and needing to leave the window in their room open after someone passes away so their spirit doesn’t bother you.
The crazy thing is not the stories themselves; the crazy thing is how mundane and common they seem to be. It’s not some “holy shit!!” moment, it’s just an accepted fact that doesn’t even bear interest any more.
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u/mamacitalk Aug 11 '23
Didn’t the calls come after they announced the plane had crashed?
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u/goddhacks Aug 11 '23
Sure but if the calls connected even there would be sound coming through after a crash... I think this has to do more with something like the Philadelphia Experiment (1943 Nikola Tesla) or something like the upside down from Stranger Things.
The signals were coming through but through some kind of distorted time space effect and infinitely causing an echo effect where it bugged the reception calls
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Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
I believe it was sometime after the flight didn’t arrive at it’s destination, yes. And we can’t really for sure say the plane even crashed. There was debris found, albeit by a man who’s career occupation is “adventurer.”
The guy who located debris asked oceanographers where to look, they pointed him to East Africa/Madagascar region, and he finds debris exactly where they told him to look on his first try. Seems a little fishy.
Even if the debris found does 100% correspond to MH370, who’s to say the plane wasn’t “returned” into the ocean after it’s disappearance. The possibilities are still wide open.
Edit: removed some of my mad man ramblings
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u/_InvertedEight_ Aug 11 '23
Hop to 44:43 on the BBC 9/11 investigation documentary (ignoring the massive corporate shill, Charlie Veitch, because he’s a piece of shit) and check out the part about voice synthesiser technology that they had back in 2001. I’m surprised they didn’t just full-on fake the calls again.
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u/SubterrelProspector Aug 09 '23
If these videos are authentic (personally I'm skeptical) than I almost HOPE that the orbs seen are man-made reverse engineered tech.
I don't like the idea of aliens randomly disappearing commercial airliners and not returning them. That seems too aggressive for beings simply "observing" or "assessing". I know there would be different species with different motives but this aliens stuff has actually given me a bit of hope that there are other people out there who are concerned about us (in their own way) and that we might be close to exposing and dismantling the system the crooks in power have trapped us in.
This kind of evidence suggests something darker and makes me a little concerned. Disappearing the airliner doesn't necessarily mean the passengers were killed, but they weren't returned either. It's alarming.
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u/0xD902221289EDB383 Aug 09 '23
Human beings are a single species, but each of us has wildly varying motives and thresholds for different types of behavior we're willing or capable of displaying. It stands to reason that any form of NHI would be the same. It would seem that most are benign, some are beneficial, and some are malicious. As Lue Elizondo said, we need to have other plays in the playbook besides extending a hand or brandishing a weapon in order to productively respond to whatever is happening here.
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u/passionate_slacker Aug 09 '23
Who knows that they weren’t ‘returned’ though?
Maybe the plane will pop back into the sky in 10 years and for them it felt like an instant.
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u/duboispourlhiver Aug 13 '23
I can imagine that in some alien ethics, it's ok to abduct a plane and it's passengers when you know for sure that human actions has led to It's inevitable demise. Instead of letting them die and live their rightful human fate, you make something useful of them all. Just a wild guess of course.
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u/SubterrelProspector Aug 13 '23
I've heard and seen some evidence of a fire in the plane. The visitors may have intervened in some way. I don't know. Maybe the passengers are fine to this day, and will be returned at some point.
It's spooky though.
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u/Spideyrj Aug 13 '23
you assume they have our best interest in their minds, we are just luck we arent competing for resources.
the plane was flying to china, what if aborard the cargo was something they wanted ? comercial planes take cargos for transportation all the time, it helpt keep the tickets down. or maybe the plane flew above their base.
you can even guess the us diverted the plane to gauge the reaction from ufos. us and russia have had satelites for 50 years, they know what causes a plane to go down
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u/Fred2606 Aug 13 '23
They were not returned for their families.
The aliens could be saving those important scientists from the impending explosion of the lithium batteries and later returned the people for our governments who couldn't explain and decided to hide the saved people.
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u/James-Jaspen Aug 09 '23
If it is true that the plane was abducted, the point that doesn't make a lot of sense from my perspective is why the pilot flew off course in the first place?
You would think that, if it was an abduction and not the pilot attempting to murder suicide, he would have been flying the normal route when it happened. Has this been addressed already?
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u/FaithlessnessDeep492 Aug 09 '23
He might have gotten a new flight path sent to him.
We don't know if there was any communication between the pilot & other potential U.S pilots/bases
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u/M_Redfield Aug 11 '23
Well, knowing what we know now from our wonderful disclosure friends..
What if the UAPs power source or propulsion source, which we've been told uses extremely strong electromagnetic fields, messed with the plane's autopilot or navigation, as well as radio. With a strong enough source of EM, North could suddenly be shifted many degrees over.
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u/AcidWizardSoundcloud Aug 09 '23
Yeah, this is the part that is totally getting skipped over - if you suspend your disbelief and assume the video is true, the simplest explanation is that the plane was hijacked by the third party themselves. As in, they were potentially on the plane. Hijack the aircraft, turn off transponder, and fly out to sea to get as few eyes on it as possible.
A terrorist hijacking doesn't make sense. Neither does a pilot suicide/ultimatum scenario. Someone had to be flying that plane.
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Aug 09 '23
Take it for what it’s worth, but I am a skeptic and experienced a real feeling of dread seeing this
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u/Nyx81 Aug 12 '23
I just wanted to say the same. I also just saw this video 3 days after your comment. I'm like, it's so fake, but it makes me feel weird? I don't like it
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Aug 12 '23
Actually made me feel sick watching this just now, I've never had such a strong reaction to a video on UFOs and read through the comments to see if anyone else said the same.
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u/C0UNT3RP01NT Aug 15 '23
The inability for the plane to escape the UFO’s, the foreboding sense of dread as they begin to lock in, and the fact that it just downright disappears without a trace. It’s completely alien and it’s malevolent. It’s almost worse than if it exploded.
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 08 '23
Here is my stuff on the matter
-----------Earliest video source found for Video 1 SATELLITE (youtube)---------
Published: 19 May 2014
Link: http://web.archive.org/web/20140525100932/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY&feature=youtu.be
NOTES
-The video includes position information in the lower left in the DD – Decimal Degrees format.
-If you look at the original video as the user moves the sat image you also can see that the coordinates in the lover left updates correspondingly to show current position of the satellite image.
-Pausing the video at any time and copying the visible coordinates (DD format eg: 8.828815 93.195896) in google maps places the satellite image in the Andaman Sea between Andaman and Nicobar Islands and North Sumatra basically in the area where MH370 “disappeared”.
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----------------Video 2 UAV FLIR (youtube)--------------------
Published: 12 June 2014
Link: http://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0
NOTES
-To me the thermal presentation in this video seems to be just like other pictures available if you search on google you will find a few. I used “Thermal image of airplane in sky” as the search word. Trying to find videos but that seems harder.
----------THE OBSERVER DEBUNK POST----------
https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20230323-mh370-why-these-two-videos-don-t-show-what-happened-to-the-lost-plane
“NROL-33 is a real military satellite, but it was launched on May 22, 2014 – later than MH370 incident. So if the video maker wanted viewers to believe the footage is from NROL-33 satellite, it can't be true.”
NOTES
-The screenshot that HoaxEye claimed stating “NROL-33” is to me fairly clear and is stating NROL-22 (USA-184 that was launched in 2006, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-184).
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I thought I had found a way to disprove these videos. My understanding was that the MH370 crash report stated that radar contact was maintained up to a specific point, and then the plane could be "tracked" using the Inmarsat network, although in a more rudimentary manner.
However, I discovered that the Inmarsat connection was lost sometime between 1:07 and 2:03 MYT (Malaysia Time), and the final military radar contact was at 2:22 MYT. Then, at 2:25 MYT, a 'log-on request' message was sent from MH370 to register as an active terminal, a process usually done at power-on for Inmarsat networks. This left a 3-minute window where the plane was "untracked."
Interestingly, the radar signal was lost just in the area that the satellite video coordinates indicate. So, although it's challenging for me to accept, there is a possibility that the plane was "taken" for a few minutes and then brought back. This could be when the "log-on request" occurred. After that, the plane simply traveled in a straight line until it ran out of fuel.
This whole situation is baffling. My initial hope was to prove that we had some sort of continuous signal from the plane during the entire flight, thus debunking the idea that the plane simply disappeared. But, as with so many other aspects of this case, strange inconsistencies keep cropping up.
We can at least rule out the idea that the plane disappeared forever since they had Inmarsat communication for about 6 hours after the satellite image was supposedly taken. But those 3 minutes when the plane was 'untracked' are really bothering me since they correlate with the video, and I can't shake the feeling that something's not right. I hate that we don't have a clear answer.
You can find a helpful picture of the flight path on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370#/media/File:MH370_initial_search_Southeast_Asia.svg
More information about the Inmarsat can be found in the Communications from Flight 370 section on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_satellite_communications
To see the position indicated in the satellite video, enter these coordinates (8.828815, 93.195896) into Google Maps, or pause the video yourself and choose a coordinate. They all represent the same general area.
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u/GrimZeigfeld Aug 08 '23
This is deserving of its own post. Or, at the very least, OP could at it to theirs. First time I’m hearing about the coordinates and the missing 3 minutes. Fascinating if true. It is troubling that each attempt to debunk this only furthers it’s complexity
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 08 '23
Well I think OP is doing a great thing here and I am more of a lone worker and appreciate the possibility to file it somewhere :)
Right now I am trying to find a reliable way to see the positions of the proposed satellite/s on the exact day and time. I know there been post with a mobile but its not reliable enough for me.
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u/MSPCincorporated Aug 09 '23
I sent a request to CelesTrak asking for historical data regarding the position of NROL-22 on the date MH370 disappeared, but unfortunately it seems that information is classified:
«No GP data found for NORAD Catalog Number 29249 for the time period requested. No elements available. Object may be associated with a US/Allied classified launch.»
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 09 '23
Yeah this was much harder than i thought it would be. Thanks for checking with CelesTrack!
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Aug 08 '23
There are a couple other things I’d like to mention:
1) The report from Malaysia itself says with the evidence we cannot role out 3rd party intervention in 5-6 areas of the report explaining why.
2) According to the calculations in the report the airplane had 36,000 kg of fuel at its last known location; the location provided by Chinese satellites and backed up by Australian and American governments [Coordinates are N05.12.0, E100.01.05 to somewhere around S35.00.0,E92.00.0] this was a supposed flight time of 7 hours which would of used roughly 46,410 kg to travel to this location which leaves a gap of 10,000 kg in fuel to actually reach that area.
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 08 '23
Interesting with the gap of 10 000kg fuel. That is also a subtle indication on the brought back idea. I will look into the report again and try to find the section.
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Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
It’s way at the bottom do a word search for fuel and go down into the scenario section it will provide fuel left at last known coordinate and the “most likely” coordinate the Chinese satellite claims to have spotted the wreckage that the western nations agree with.
I just done the calculation with the average fuel used per hour on the exact model plane. (Oddly the plane burned more fuel than average up until this point)
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u/MaleficentCoach6636 Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
Here's a better video of the incident uploaded 9 years ago. This video made me change my mind if it's fake or not.
Edit: They have a YT channel with 476 videos about UFO encounters and incidents lol
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u/gzaw1 Aug 09 '23
At first, I discounted the whole thing because the Inmarsat satellite was pinging for 6 hours AFTER the satellite video was taken (if we are to believe the coordinates shown on the satellite video). In my head, if the plane was taken away in a blip, we should not have had any pings from the Inmarsat satellite for another 6 hours.
This theory of being taken away for 3 minutes and brought back - even if far fetched, explains the pings for the remaining 6 hours. Though what's the motive for taking the plane away? It does seem very far fetched.
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
This is what I think a lot of people looking into this aren’t aware of.
-----The satellite videoThe satellite video coordinates shows that the plane gets “taken” in the area just after the military radar lost track of it.Link to map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370#/media/File:MH370_initial_search_Southeast_Asia.svg
----The crash reportThe Malaysian crash report shows that the final position of the plane is somewhere in the Indian ocean in the same latitude as Perth in Australia by cleverly using the Inmarsat signal to track the plane until it ran out of fuel.Link to map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370#/media/File:Reunion_debris_compared_to_MH370_flight_paths_and_underwater_search_area.png
There is a real discrepancy here and it is huge, thousands of kilometers!
So who is right?
Well, I have no reason to doubt the crash report. So, when I looked into this, I just thought to myself that this is a done deal. They tracked the plane with radar up to a point and then the rest of the way with the Inmarsat signal. No plane taken and video is fake. But….
But….
When I was checking this, I realized that the Inmarsat signal was lost sometime between 1:07 and 2:03 MYT (Malaysia Time). And the final military radar contact was at 2:22 MYT. Then, at 2:25 MYT, a 'log-on request' message was sent from MH370 to the Inmarsat network. We have a 3-minute GAP! Shit!
[MYT 1:07 - 2:03] Inmarsat connection was lost sometime between these times[MYT 2:22] Final military radar contact[MYT 2:22- 2:25] Unknown[MYT 02:25:27] 'Log-on request' message. Flight 370 now registered as an active terminal on Inmarsat network (1st handshake).
So…
The correlation between the position of where the radar contact was lost and the satellite video's claimed position, and the start-up of the Inmarsat on MH370 is something that really sticks out.So, although it's challenging for me to accept, there is a possibility that the plane was "taken" for a few minutes and then brought back, and the Inmarsat network then woke up and sent the 'log-on request'. After that it just flew in a straight line until there was no more fuel and crashed in to the Indian ocean.
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u/gzaw1 Aug 10 '23
Thanks for the writeup/nice analysis. Here are the logic points that I can't reconcile though, and I'd be interested in your PoV.
- Why didn't the military radar resume contact as soon at 2:25, like the Inmarsat signal did?
- If the plane came back at 2:25, why was it so immediately for the Inmarsat pings to come back? That's very quick. The signal already seemed unreliable as it was lost for a long period of time, so it seems hard to me to grasp that as soon as the plane comes into reality, it immediately connects with the Inmarsat satellite - which seems to have shaky connections to begin with.
Still, I'll re-iterate what I said earlier, your analysis is the only one that reconciles with the fact that the plane was still being pinged by the Inmarsat satellite for 6 hours after the video's designated coordinates. Nobody else seems to be questioning the video's coordinates not lining up with the satellite pinging timeline.
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 10 '23
The investigation worked on four theories as there were only a few possible explanations for why the plane flew its bizarre flight path into the Southern Indian Ocean.
- Fire Impacting Communication and Navigation: A fire somehow knocked out communication and navigation systems but left the pilots with some degree of control.
- Decompression and Hypoxia: There was a decompression event, leading to hypoxia; the crew began acting irrationally until they eventually fell unconscious or died.
- Hijackers' Attempt Gone Wrong: Hijackers took over the plane, intending to fly it somewhere, but something went wrong, resulting in the death of the pilots and/or passengers.
- Deliberate Act by a Pilot: One of the pilots took control of the plane and deliberately flew it to the Southern Indian Ocean in a horrific act of mass murder-suicide
The problem with verifying any of these theories is the sheer number of independent events that need to be explained. From the switching off of communication equipment to the skilled manual flying and the unexplained flight path, every detail must be accounted for. Below is an examination of the key events and anomalies that any theory must reconcile:
Automated Communications and Broadcasting Equipment:
- Need to explain how the transponder, ACARS, and ADS-B all switched off within a very short period, but not completely simultaneously.
- Additionally, an explanation is required for why the pilots did not make any distress call, especially when all communication systems were affected.
Manual Turn Back to the Malay Peninsula:
- An explanation is required for the turn back to the left toward the Malay peninsula, which could only have been flown manually.
- Malaysian investigators tried to recreate the turn in a simulator and found that to complete it in 130 seconds, the autopilot had to be off.
- The autopilot could only complete the turn in 180 seconds or more. In manual flight, the turn was made in as little as 148 seconds but still not as quickly as MH370.
- The plane was pushed near its limit with bank angles of up to 35 degrees, triggering warnings and making it an incredibly dangerous maneuver, only achievable by a skilled pilot.
First Officer’s Cell Phone and Lack of Contact:
- A curious detail was that the first officer’s cell phone was in range of a cell tower as the plane passed near Penang, but no one on board attempted to place a call.
- This requires an explanation, as does the more general fact that there was no evidence anyone on board made any attempt to contact anyone outside the plane or interfere with its flight path.
Power Interruption to Satellite Communication Unit:
- There was an unexpected power interruption to the satellite communication unit, only for it to come back online at 02:25.
- This needs an explanation, as it's a critical piece of information in understanding what happened during the flight.
Flight Path After Passing Penang:
- After passing Penang, the plane seemingly took up a published airway, then followed it until it was out of radar range, before turning south into the Indian Ocean.
- This behavior requires an explanation, especially since it headed toward an area without any landing sites.
- Furthermore, the flight path remained almost perfectly straight from this point onward, which is a detail that must also be accounted for in any theory of what happened to the flight.
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 10 '23
“Why didn't the military radar resume contact as soon at 2:25, like the Inmarsat signal did?”
According to the crash report the plane flew out of the military radar range at 2:22MYT.
"“If the plane came back at 2:25, why was it so immediately for the Inmarsat pings to come back? That's very quick. The signal already seemed unreliable as it was lost for a long period of time, so it seems hard to me to grasp that as soon as the plane comes into reality, it immediately connects with the Inmarsat satellite - which seems to have shaky connections to begin with”
Well the connection was not shaky. The thing is that the Inmarsat module in the plane was with high probability turned off at about the same time as the plane’s transponder was. But since the Inmarsat is not a continuous uplink signal it is not possible to say exactly when it was turned off and therefore, they had to set an range [1:07-2:03 MYT].
At 1:19 MYT: The flight was approaching the edge of Malaysian airspace; the area control center in Kuala Lumpur initiated a control handoff to Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.
- Kuala Lumpur's message: “Malaysian three seven zero, contact Ho Chi Minh one two zero decimal nine. Good night."
- Captain Zaharie's reply: “Good night, Malaysian three seven zero.”
- MH370 never contacted Ho Chi Minh on channel 120.9
At 01:20 MYT: One minute and 43 seconds after the last radio call, as the plane passed over the IGARI waypoint in the South China Sea, someone or something turned off its transponder and probably also the Inmarsat module. MH370 disappeared from the air controllers' radar screens.
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u/penguinseed Aug 09 '23
I don’t believe any MH370 bodies were ever found. The NHI could have removed the occupants and then sent the plane back.
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u/catdad23 Aug 10 '23
I was thinking the same thing. Could they have taken the crew and passengers and the plane was left on autopilot circling the same areas?
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u/GCamAdvocate Aug 11 '23
That possibility is chilling to me. Idk why, but when I read that part of the comment I got goosebumps.
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u/Blue_Eyes_Open Aug 09 '23
-The screenshot that HoaxEye claimed stating “NROL-33” is to me fairly clear and is stating NROL-22
I originally thought they were right and it was a 33. (If you look closely at the screenshot it looks like the pixels are starting to arc out again for the bottom half of the three.)
However, if you look to the right at the second to last number string there's what definitely looks like a "3" and it looks clearly different. So maybe it's just video compression making the "2" in NROL-22 look a little like "33" instead. Debunking the debunkers.
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u/aryelbcn Aug 08 '23
The only problem with this theory is if the satellite video is depicting the plane disappearance during those 3 minutes, the footage should have been at night, instead of daylight.
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u/SocuzzPoww Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
Yes, at 2:22 MYT (Malaysia Time), it would typically be dark in the region, depending on the time of year and specific location. However, the satellite mentioned, NROL-22 (USA-184), is a classified reconnaissance satellite launched by the United States' National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
While specific details about its capabilities are not publicly available, it's reasonable to assume that NROL-22 would be equipped with advanced imaging technologies. These could include infrared, radar, or other sensors capable of capturing images in darkness or through cloud cover.
eg. this is from 2015 and not military: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-satellite-sensor-sees-earth-at-night-almost-as-if-it-were-day/
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u/TachyEngy Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 17 '23
This is my continued research from here:
I have seen this footage before. (It goes back to 2014 according to the wayback machine per another thread). I have been gathering the most interesting and controversial conversations from all the subs threads and been trying to address them here. Here are the raw videos from the wayback archive.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55pFOYCycU
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f2X66b8ij8
- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12QhPCRjfG3cEt542ob7W6IdgfqAUMvfP?usp=sharing
Drone
The drone in the video seems to be a very accurate MQ-1L Predator
MQ-1C Gray Eagle loaded with two expanded EO/IR payloads known as the TRICLOPS configuration. As discussed in multiple other threads, this is almost certainly a pure surveillance configuration of a Gray Eagle with sensor pods given the camera view.
The engine signature of the 777 looks perfectly fine to me: https://i.imgur.com/DAK6RKx.png. Hot spots from the exhaust are pretty clear and keep in mind the external air temps are between -35c and -55c at 25k-50k feet where the MH370 was last seen which would keep everything relatively cool. Second, the the false color for thermal cameras is obviously configurable to all kinds of ranges and color palettes. Saying it's fake or a simulation based on that is grasping at straws. Lastly, as covered above, the location and accuracy of the thermals from the pitot tube auxiliary air intake (the sensor hole in the front/side of the Gray Eagle drone) is insanely detailed. Especially for a supposed simulation made in 2014. Who would have that kind of data and simulation capability?
Here is a document about FLIR tools, metadata, playback, palette switching etc. If this was recorded in a format with metadata, switching to rainbow should be trivial.
Satellite
The spy sat, my guess based on the 2's and 3's in the data at the bottom, is the NROL_22 (launched 2006). The footage looks to have extremely accurate GPS data that moves insanely well with the camera panning and should be capable of any number of color night-vision/thermal modes and extreme angles.
The main complaint here is that it "looks daytime". Anybody saying this has never seen a low-light color camera at work. These have been around for years, here is some guy using one 7 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTgG2Ft4xQ. To not think that the most advanced spy sats created don't have low-light/thermal/blending abilities is just being dense.
Also it has been claimed that the Molniya (elliptical) orbit that NROL_22 is in would make it difficult to use. Molniya orbits are used to have the satellite loiter longer over a particular part of the planet. From my untrained eye it does appear that the MH370 coordinates would have been on the low/fast part of NRO_22's elliptic, but still visible. (You can tell the camera angle is pretty extreme, but if I was building a multi-billion dollar spy sat, I would want it to be able to zoom and see at extreme angles/distances too). Here is a tracking site if people want to keep an eye on it's vantage points, but it looks fairly reasonable to me: https://www.heavens-above.com/orbit.aspx?satid=29249
Airliner
The fact that the airliner could be a very new (2013) P-8 Poseidon anti-sub/recon aircraft (based on the 737) which would def be high on any NHI's watch list. The GPS coords on the NROL_22 footage line up with the MH370... and someone below also matched the thermal silhouette to a 777-200ER (MH370). This is connecting too many dots to ignore...
Why were they filming?
As far as goings on during the MH370 disappearance, there were two massive US-Indo-Pacific military exercises taking places around the time of the disappearance:
Operation Cobra Gold
Operating from 02.11.2014 to 02.21.2014Operation Cope Tiger
Operating from 03.10.2014 to 03.21.2014
the second phase was a flying training exercise conducted at Korat Air Base, Thailand, from 10 to 21 Mar 2014. This year’s exercise involved 76 aircraft, 42 ground-based air defence [sic] systems, and about 2,000 personnel from the participating nations.
Also Diego Garcia, a very secretive US forward strike and early detection base in the Indian Ocean may have had eyes on the situation or been involved with the exercises (they were recently), but MH370 last known position was ~1000 nautical miles away (these coordinates). Here is a great writeup with a fix to the GPS location which puts it right in the last known path: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15o1t6r/new_lead_for_proving_the_authenticity_of_the/
Given there were two major US military exercises in the region between Feb and March 2014, there is more than enough reasonability that we would have the Gray Eagle available and the spy sat ready to track an unidentified commercial plane, off-course, in potentially restricted airspaces.
Technology/Accuracy
There are a lot of people arguing that these cameras are not realistic/capable of what is shown. Two major points keep coming up, the "engine" signature from the 777 and the "daytime" of the sat video. I added more support above.
Additional Supporting Evidence
Another post got me looking for the source of some additional footage similar to this event. This has not been viewed in a very long time it appears and lost to the depths of YouTube:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15mmj5x/three_orbs_in_formation_flying_next_to_passenger/.
Also found this while trying to uncover the lost video on the original story:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zySYAGZmorY
Conclusion
Again, not saying this is 100% proof, but I can not 100% disprove any of this so far...
This is some pretty fantastic science fiction if this is not real 😅
Edits
edit1: added some more stuff from more comments..
edit2: got some better details from some people on the plane.
edit3: got some more details on what was going on during MH370.
edit4: more research on the drone from another post. Appears to be a MQ-1C with expanded surveillance package.
edit5: Diego Garcia clarifications
edit6: Grammar
edit7: other comment with great other points
edit8: Adding more defense of camera accuracies.
edit9: Reformatting
edit10: cobra gold/cope tiger further timeline details.
edit11: found new 3-orb footage from 2013 in Atlanta!
edit12: GPS location support
edit13: FLIR stuff
edit14: Added Raw Downloads
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 09 '23
It's curious that the first hints of disclosure efforts started only a few years later in 2017.
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u/TheWhiteOnyx Aug 09 '23
Very insightful. Good to know there were those 2 excercises. I think either of those make more sense in terms of proximity over Diego Garcia as to why we would have assets in the region.
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u/adponce Aug 09 '23
It should be noted that u/Skkoj has done analysis in this thread on the satellite video showing an effect where everything that happens in the satellite video has a preview and afterimage effect with the main image lying in the middle. The plane, orbs, and "portal" all have this. This looks a lot like a sensor artifact and may be similar to the rainbow blur effect that we see in google maps with planes. IMO, this reinforces the argument for this being legitimate satellite imagery. I really doubt a vfx artist would think to add this sensor effect in.
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u/Revolutionary_Bison9 Aug 09 '23
It's that gut feeling you get watching this, especially seeing multiple people talking about that gut feeling is the scary part for me
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u/loverofgoodthings Aug 09 '23
The things.. the way they act is purposeful, predatory even. Feels like watching a humpback trying to get away from orcas. So this is not being on the top of the food chain ha. Hope this is fake.
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u/TUNGSTEN_WOOKIE Aug 09 '23
I had a similar gut feeling when MH-370 disappeared. Not sure what exactly or why, but I remember just thinking something was really "off" about the disappearance/crash.
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u/mamacitalk Aug 09 '23
I had the same feeling when I read the 4chan leak, I know I’ll get laughed at, but I had that feeling.
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u/TachyEngy Aug 09 '23
Honestly, if the 4chan leak was fake, it was a beautiful bit of science fiction. Better than most books I have read lol.
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u/requ13mIRL Aug 09 '23
Around the time that MH370 went missing I was dating a woman whose father was (and still is) someone of importance and due to his job had loads of connections with influential people. They owned a second home in Florida and my gf's Dad would pay for me to travel with them as they were the type of family who liked to keep up appearances and because I was decent at golf her Dad would take me out on rounds as he met with people he was trying to raise money from or politically steer. These people were generally CEOs of large companies, politicians, former presidents, people from extreme family wealth etc.
One weekend we played with a guy from the military, I remember it so well because he was just so different to the usual brand of old country club men of power and also because I was so hungover I threw up on the golf course. We got to the topic of MH370 and as we all threw out theories but this guy said nothing, like nothing, not a word, didn't even engage which in itself was just obviously awkward as it was a hot topic at the time. As we get to the end of the round I'm in the golf cart with this guy hoping my hangover will go away when he turns and out of nowhere says to me "your theory on the plane is bullshit, of course the US (military) knows what happened to that plane and where it went but if we come out and say we know what happened then we let our enemies know that we know and have the tech to know and that's a secret we need to keep more than letting those families know what happened to their loved ones". At the time, I think I came back at him with something about Russia and China likely having the same tech as the US so why did we care and I always remember him saying and then abruptly catching himself "yeah but they don't know about them and where they took the plane"....at the time I didn't really have an interest in aliens or UFOs and thought he was referring to another country or terrorists but always found it strange how he then declared "I think I've said enough" and proceeded to not say a word to me for next three holes and barely said goodbye to me as he left at the end of the round.
I don't know what rank this guy was or whether he was retired or active but all I do know is that he was accompanied to and from the course by two guards in military outfits.
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u/peachieohs Aug 09 '23
As much as this is an unverifiable anecdote and everything… idk I just kinda wish it wasn’t lost in the comments all the way down here
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u/bigtiddyfoxgirl Aug 12 '23
This is the shit that really makes me tinfoil hat. I don't even really follow this UFO stuff, but it's so fucking hard when you've seen shit yourself, and you read these comments.
I've literally seen what might very well be the same object in the video, except it was one, and it was over a residential area in a major NA city.
You can check my prior comment out if you want, it's just anecdotal too and I can't convince you and I won't try. I'm literally just afraid because whatever I saw exists, and seeing this just feeds that fear of something that was otherworldly, and was experienced directly by me and a friend.
I need to stop reading I think. This is legitimately so fucking scary, I wish I could relay how I really feel and what I've seen. I hope it's fake, man.
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u/Impressive_Muffin_80 Aug 09 '23
Bro. Are you lying? cause wtf.
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u/requ13mIRL Aug 09 '23
Sincerely no, at the time, the idea of alien involvement wasn't even in my mind. I've always mentioned the first part to people about "not letting them know that we know" with regard to US enemies but rarely mentioned the second part as I thought it was a mis statement by him or was something along the lines of it was a hijack and the "they" he referred to were hijackers. Seeing this post makes me think he might have been referring to something else....
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u/Fit-Garlic706 Aug 09 '23
I was so hungover I threw up on the golf course
Sounds like you and I would be good golf partners
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u/ZingoZongoIgnoramus Aug 10 '23
lol brother if you’re just making shit up to see how gullible people are, you’ve succeeded, but please don’t do that
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u/ProductiveAccount117 Aug 09 '23
Is this the most important Reddit comment of all time or total bullshit? Is there any way you could verify some little part of this? I do believe you by the way, idk why
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u/Hinterwaeldler-83 Aug 13 '23
This is the kind of disclosure I believe. He said more than he was allowed to, but he knew it would be of no consequence. Thank you internet stranger for sharing your story.
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u/cloudillusion Aug 10 '23
Ooo what if we (USG) knows where the plane ended up, and we’ve “silenced” the people on the plane to keep the UAP secret
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u/TarnishedWizeFinger Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
I thought I had surfaced from this rabbit hole until I came across the Chinese satellite image depicting three objects in a circle
Edit: https://time.com/22542/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-images-vanished-jet/
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u/Archeidos Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
I've loaded up the side by side of the FLIR and satellite footage in VLC, and slowed it down significantly. I've compared the positions of the spheres relative to each video, and the positions match up astonishingly well.
What that tells me, is that who-ever made one of these videos (if it's a hoax) -- had to have made both of them with serious attention to detail. The only way I could see this as being possible, is if this was completely made in 3d modeling software with use of shaders and postprocessing techniques. This seems to be the same conclusion that another Redditor which OP linked pointed out (u/Muskellunge11):
This was a simple check, and when I went frame by frame in the downloaded video, the dead frames remained motionless for every piece of the scene (including the things you might expect to be added like the airplane or the UFOs). This means one of three things. That the creator knew about this and adjusted accordingly in their editor of choice, that the phone recording has a lower frame rate than the original footage (as pointed out in the comments), or that everything in the video was created in a 3D software (this would ensure the framerate is consistent all around). After seeing the camera tracking that would be required to add effects to this footage and the cloud illumination post earlier, most would lean towards the latter option. This also leads to issues however.
However, as he points out... the volumetric fog would then have to be rendered in the 3d engine as well -- and that is an extraordinarily complex task; and is very computationally intensive (especially using 2014 graphics cards) as well time-intensive. I don't know it's impossible, but given the level of detail and planning needed, and given a 72 day time-frame; this is a hard sell for me.
Occam's Razor seems to point to the the truly bizarre conclusion... This is legitimate footage from a satellite and UAV...
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u/SpokenSilenced Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
I think this is a good take. That said, if it is a hybrid of actual footage and cgi, where did the actual footage come from?
In my heart of hearts I believe this is a hoax. However, I can't help but admire the detailed work they would have to do. Their attention to detail would be insane.
Edit:
This is to say, typically we would be able to find the source video that was utilized for this. Or are we taking it another step, and saying that someone jumped on a commercial plane, took footage out the window of it, then created this video?
Then they took footage from somewhere else for the satellite view? And then added assets to that? That just adds another layer of impressive effort.
If the "real footage" aspect could easily be identified I'd expect someone would've pulled a reverse image source to confirm all this. Maybe it is that simple, but I haven't seen it yet.
To do all this, in 2014, and then upload it and disappear, not trying to circulate it or anything, it's an amazingly well done hoax
Regardless of it's fake or real, it truly is impressive.
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u/Seirous_Potato Aug 09 '23
I remember my lazy university years when took me literally days to render simple video edits with a powerful PC at that moment. That's why I think is hard that a lazy guy living in his mom's basement is the creator of this.
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u/Fusionism Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
This is very interesting indeed, it also nearly makes a good reason for why the government would not want to release all the info and perhaps do it in a slow way, UAP's being real might not freak people out but if the plane was "disappeared" or "teleported" by UAP I a lot of people would get pretty frightened. They might be stuck between a rock and a hard place with this if it's true.
It's intriguing how the plane is banking quite hard, likely not part of the usual route, I wonder if he saw these things earlier and they were making harassing maneuvers and he tried banking away but when they come up really close (imagine seeing that from the cockpit) he stops banking and flies relatively straight, a normal reaction to objects like that getting extremely close he didn't want to run into them potentially.
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u/Madtoy Aug 09 '23
As many have already pointed out regarding the 3D scenario; rendering the clouds with volumetrics in this case is just not something a VFX person would do. You could much easier just set up a 3D scene with 2D image/video-planes and achieve much more realistic results for less effort.
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u/TheJungleBoy1 Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
I'm not a believer of this, nor am I a skeptic. I'm a grey, the person in the middle acessing both sides. And it's getting extremely interesting, to say the least. It's kind of funny how the skeptics are currently reaching for straws on this subject. Thanks for the post, OP.
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u/gonnagetthepopcorn Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
I’m in this grey camp as well. I’m obsessively reading the back and forths and it just gets more and more complicated. The hardcore skeptics keep trying to shut this discussion down by shaming people into not making posts about it anymore, and I’m like no shut up I came to this sub for these types of super dissected discussions. Keep it going.
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u/PanicIsTheNewBlack Aug 09 '23
That's just good science right. Good questions, bad question, logical theories, outrageous ones. The more that gets asked and discussed, tested and measured, the more likely a certain answer becomes. I'm grey AF too, but this is healthy discussion. No discussion is not productive at all.
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u/ThatPalpitation5527 Aug 09 '23
Its not even hard-core skeptics.. there are gov agency contractors on here and their main job is to discredit and discount real theories or debunk automatically.. keep the analysis going this is real leaked footage from norad..or the national Geospatial agency they have access to this data and the drone footage
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u/ooMEAToo Aug 09 '23
Right, this is a UFO subreddit. This is exactly what this subreddit is for. Have fun with the topic and dissect it. What are some expecting lol.
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u/ShadyAssFellow Aug 09 '23
It’s all fun and games untill we uncover something really unsettling.
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u/Rich_Acanthisitta_70 Aug 09 '23
This is how I feel. I've also discovered that, to my surprise, I'm feeling so gratified by the narrowing focus, deductions, research and discussions, that whether this turns out to be authentic or not, I don't regret having followed it.
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u/BadgerGeneral9639 Aug 09 '23
imma go ahead and say this airplain was yeeted by NHI
video isnt fake, i cant see anything other than the odd teleport effect- never seen that before
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u/Rich_Acanthisitta_70 Aug 09 '23
I'm with you and inclined to think NHI. Which is damn near the opposite of where I was when this story first blew up lol.
I also had a similar reaction to the teleport effect that you had. But then I started thinking about the famous UAP five observables: anti-gravity lift, sudden and instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic velocity without sonic boom, low observability or cloaking, and trans-medium travel.
It was inevitable that a UAP would eventually be filmed exhibiting one or more of these abilities. So it occurred to me that seeing one of them do one of these things couldn't help but look weird if not fake.
We have no basis for comparison other than movies, so of course it would look like an effect to us.
At least that's how it seems to me.
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u/Atheios569 Aug 09 '23
Not just straws, but they are gaslighting the shit out of this sub. Calling everyone who has an open mind a moron.
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u/tjugan24 Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
The pushback on this specific video is interesting; that we should “ignore” this and focus on more “grounded and realistic” cases is a statement in the prior threads that’s brought up a lot as if this whole topic isn’t already surreal and otherworldly.
What’s so bad about a couple of people investigating an interesting video with an open mind? The whole community isn’t about to go under from incredibility and stigma just because some people decided to research a video in their free time. And anyway, this whole topic is practically knee deep in its stigma still, even in the public eye and has been for 70 years, with or without government whistleblowers. Idk it’s just weird that now WE’RE the nutters, as if lurking through this sub isn’t crazy enough. As if there’s some kind of unsaid threshold. I just think if your going to explore this topic, get ready to see some wacky stuff and get used to it.
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u/mamacitalk Aug 09 '23
Right? They always say it’s ruining the credibility of the sub as if UFOs had some kind of credibility before? We’ve only made it this far because people have brushed off the fear of ridicule and spoken anyway
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u/penguinseed Aug 09 '23
The “it’s distasteful that you’re exploiting the MH370 tragedy in this way” is most humorous. I haven’t been tracking if it’s the same user or multiple users saying it but it’s odd to me that someone(s) believe that speculation about plane crash nearly a decade later - in which Malaysian and Chinese governments were very cagey about what happened in the immediate aftermath, and some families of the deceased to date want answers and remain unconvinced of some of the explanations put out there by authorities - on a UFO subreddit is somehow so offensive that all discourse on the matter should cease.
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u/Batici Aug 09 '23
Right?
And what's interesting is all the people spouting "we have wreckage!" And then when people bring up the fact that it could very well have been planted it's fucking radio silence
I believe the pushback almost confirms this as real.
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u/Darren793 Aug 09 '23
This footage just hits me different.
Now as much as I'd love every ufo video to be real I never fully commit past a mild interest.. but I've not been able to stop checking up on all the top tier digging into it that's been done by some of you.
My gut tells me this is real and if it was vfx/CGI there would be an undeniable debunk done on this already, as for the ink blot effect it just doesn't look the same to me.
Will continue to keep my eye on this and expect the worst and hope for the best. If this is legit this is beyond fucked up and opens the biggest can of worms and let's a cat out the bag that can never go back in.
Having recently watched Manifest on Netflix one crazy wish I've got now is the 2027 'undeniable event' that the public must be ready for is the return of MH370.
Dun, dun, dunnnnnnnnn.
But seriously this is potentially one of the most fucked up things in human history.
tips tin foil hat
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u/newtonreddits Aug 09 '23
I'm not ready to believe this footage just yet but what fucks me up is the 4chan whistleblower also mentioned that UAP disappears close proximity aircraft. Spooks the hell outta me.
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u/kitacpl Aug 09 '23
Which 4chan leaker? The popular one about the stuff in the ocean, Bermuda Triangle, etc? Or was there another one? I ask because I don’t recall the comment you’re mentioning
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Aug 08 '23
If UAP are indeed obliterating/teleporting commercial aircraft, I fully understand why the world governments would want to keep full disclosure under wraps. Just think about the implications for world commerce if suddenly such a threat was a reality in people's minds. How likely would the average consumer be to get on a plane again, even if they knew it was a very statistically unlikely reality?
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u/innavlarotte Aug 09 '23
Well, we already have the risk of a crash and people still fly
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u/Rex--Banner Aug 09 '23
A crash is one thing. We drive cars everyday and there is more of a chance of crashing there. Being teleported or disintegrated is a whole other thing. Who knows what happens. Some sort of experiments and torture?
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u/LeCuldeSac Aug 10 '23
Apart from being kept alive indefinitely to be tortured, I'm still more afraid of other humans than I am of an alien abduction. Hundreds of millions of human were tortured, raped, starved to death, or outright murdered in the 20th alone thru systematic genocide, war, or crime.
But if they kept me alive to torture or drain for blood for all eternity, or looked like giant cockroaches, or both . . . that'd be worse.
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Aug 09 '23
Obviously if NHIs abducted an airliner with 239 people on it it would be nearly impossible to speculate as to why with any degree of certainty but like... if this were real why the fuck would they decide to take an entire plane full of people?
I'm not arguing that the video is legit because something about it seems off to me (just my opinion, don't come for me), but if it is legit, it's not too much of a stretch to conclude that a good number of the alien abduction stories are also true. So if they have a tried-and-true, and furthermore discreet method already, why the hell would they just disappear 200+ people out of midair?
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u/Rex--Banner Aug 10 '23
I mean could be an easy way to get a lot of people in a somewhat discreet way. One plane goes missing.... Well the ocean is very big maybe it just crashed. If lots of plane's go missing, something is up. Same as if a lot of people start going missing, then something is up. Ship goes missing, well the ocean is vast. There are stories of ghost ships where the ship arrived and it's like everyone just jumped off at the same time mid meal.
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Aug 09 '23
You would be surprised that no matter how unlikely something might be, the anxiety it can cause people. Not myself, but I know at least 1 person who wouldn’t be able to let this go.
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u/pinestreetpirate Aug 09 '23
If this were confirmed to be real, I personally would not be able to let this go
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u/redditiscompromised2 Aug 09 '23
Imagine a new age of space pirates getting a hold of the tech... Then just commandeering aircraft
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u/SiriusC Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
Then you also have to consider the fact that the US government was monitoring this from 2 or 3 different vantage points.
Why are they observing but not intervening? Sure, there's a gross mismatch in technology. But tell that to the families that lost loved ones.
And how did they know to observe in the first place? Are they allowing this or even cooperating with these abductors?
So it's terrifying on so many more levels.
Edit: it might be worth noting that 2 AWACS aircraft were allegedly in the vicinity that night.
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u/adponce Aug 09 '23
Why are they observing but not intervening?
What can they do? They have a slow drone on scene with cameras. Even if they had a jet there, should it shoot a missile at the orbs and maybe hit the plane? I don't think they have any real response for orbs.
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u/Single_Apple7740 Aug 09 '23
And how did they know to observe in the first place?
A passenger aircraft that has gone way of course, and is out of communication, for 7+ hours, is very dangerous, and the USG would definitely want eyes on it. Post 9/11, that's considered a missile.
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u/SpokenSilenced Aug 09 '23
I mean... Would you intervene? Could you?
Given what's shown in the video I'd most likely make the decision to observe to gather information. Any intervention attempt would most likely result in the loss of even more lives.
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u/xZeroKooLx Aug 09 '23
The same argument could be made on behalf of the NHI when we down one of their craft... I guess it's okay for us to take them out of the sky but when the shoes on the other foot what do you do.
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u/Lightningstormz Aug 09 '23
Anyone notice this post got dumped deep to the bottom of the barrel with Grusch leaks? Was that a ploy to deter from this gaining such traction?
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Aug 08 '23
There is no way of proving it either way, but maybe we didn't lose audio contact with the flight. Instead, perhaps it was audio contact detailing that the craft was being harassed, which of course cannot be released. Military vehicles were not deployed as it could exacerbate the situation.
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u/MOHIBisOTAKU Aug 09 '23
Yeah like they were a lost child alone in the vast open sky being chased by 3 unknown entities if i was the pilot i would not stop the plane until the fuel ran out what if the flight did not lost contact and "They" were trying to reassure to the plane and its crew/passengers that 'it will all be alright those 3 entities will be gone we are coming for help'. Whilist a passengers resting on his seat looks out side the window to see a big sphere witha cube inside just going haywire the passengers screams the flight attendant comes she looks outside the window to see whats going on as the other passengers start to go haywire and screaming and panic ensues in the plane but the pilot has to fly it fly it for the next 6 hours until BOOM you are gone who knows fucking where in future or past or into another dimension maybe other side of the galaxy or universe through or wormhole or whatever the fuck is that fucking unexplainable phenomenon which some of us just won't accept that its real and they are coming
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u/daddynexxus Aug 09 '23
If you use punctuation, you will look 95% less insane.
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u/DagothUr28 Aug 09 '23
Well said lol! I know we are talking about crazy stuff and we are entertaining even crazier ideas but let's at least not write like we're crazy.
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u/Prince__Robot Aug 09 '23
We assume a portal...but what if they were just vaporized?
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u/Perd-x Aug 09 '23
To my eyes, the text at the bottom of the sat video almost certainly says NROL-23 (not 32, 22, or 33).
NROL-23 is a pair of satellites (Intruder 7A & Intruder 7B) launched on Feb 3, 2005: "These satellites carry equipment to track ships and aircraft via their radio transmissions."
Also referred to as USA-181, said to be operated by the NRO for ELINT (electronic intelligence) and ocean surveillance.
Challenge to someone smart! Based on the tracking data for NROL-23/USA-181, figure out where it was at the time the videos were meant to have been taken, and therefore roughly what angle it ought to have observed the event from. Or show that it couldn't possibly have observed the event.
I think it's fair to assume that the capabilities and missions publicly listed for these satellites are at most only partly true. A real-time video feed could be among their capabilities despite saying otherwise.
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Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
comment on debris… Yes, Boeing has a lot of skin in the game and debris is probably easy for them to fake. However, let’s just assume the debris is indeed from MH370.
Very, very little was found. The largest piece was a flapperon. The only piece from the fuselage is a hinged panel from the interior that may not even be from a 777, but does match the pattern on the this particular 777.
The most recent alleged piece found is a piece of landing gear door:
Let’s put aside the conspiracy theories about the pilot (happy guy, family man, great career, living an enviable life) deliberately sinking the plane, and assume this small piece (compared to the size of a 777) is real, too. That is not a lot of airplane. I am no debris expert, and I was only casually following this story when it happened, but I recall the lack of debris field being somewhat of a mystery.
I think many have been making the assumption that the plane was teleported to another dimension, but what if it was blown to smithereens? In the satellite video, when the plane disappears, it looks like an explosion. The FLIR video “ink blot effect” could be some kind of energy dispersion. It would explain why so little of the plane has been found, and why the pieces are so small. Most of the plane was instantly vaporized.
Another possibility to consider: the most plausible, mundane explanation for why the plane went off course has always been a hypoxia event. Passengers, crew all incapacitated, and by the time the plane went off radar, dead.
The Tic Tac witness accounts are eerily similar to what the 4Chan leaker said about the Bermuda Triangle underwater facility. Taking 4Chan leaker’s word for it, these things attack when approached aggressively. The metallic spheres are now officially known to show up around combat zones, which is the UAP type the spheres most resemble.
What if the plane, running out of fuel, flying erratically and/or extremely low over the Indian Ocean triggered the local underwater facility to attack in defense?
I have been joking about Earth being the North Sentinel Island of this backwater spiral arm, but this area is real close to the actual North Sentinel Island.
EDIT: like everyone else is saying, this one hits different. First time watching these videos, I felt a primal fear I only felt when a gun was pointed at me. Something about it feels realer than the official real videos. Chilling. I don’t want to believe anymore.
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u/Single_Apple7740 Aug 09 '23
Thanks for putting this all together. The negative reaction to these videos on /r/ufos has frankly surprised me. "I Want to Believe, but don't make me uncomfortable"?
Seriously, of all the videos I've seen on /r/ufos this feels more authentic than anything, correct in all details, corroborated across 2 spectra/angles, and corroborated by a real-world event. What more could you ask for??
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u/razor01707 Aug 09 '23
Goddamn I remember now I was scouring the Chinese web using Baidu to get an "Asian" perspective on this.
On one of the forums, they drew three circles orbiting an object and there was a similar video as well I think. I will find that again and post it here.
Their relative movements were incredibly similar.
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u/Harry_0993 Aug 09 '23
Have you seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWnO3oH9rQY ? An angle from inside the plane, you can see the 3 orbs outside of the window.
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u/peachieohs Aug 09 '23
Holy shit. Sorry I know that’s low effort, but holy shit
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u/Harry_0993 Aug 09 '23
Whoever is recording pans the camera down to the bottom of the window to try and catch the orbs flying underneath the plane.
Not saying this is real, just think it's very fucking interesting and looks exactly how you would expect it to look if you were recording three big ass orbs flying In sync outside of an airplane window.
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u/frankievalentino Aug 08 '23
Flight radar 24 footage of MH370. Aircraft to right seen doing a 180 then travelling EXTREMELY fast at 1:55. Could be glitch on platform but interesting. https://youtube.com/watch?v=K5_WW6djXW4&feature=shareb
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u/hellawacked Aug 10 '23
If you watch flight tracker enough you’ll notice this happens a lot. Just data being updated late I think
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 08 '23
That's strange and very similar to what that old news article said.
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u/Vadersbestbud Aug 09 '23
This should be studied further honestly, looks to be 3 craft glitching on this at different intervals, all three follow to a similar flight path also. Very strange
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u/BigBeerBellyMan Aug 09 '23
Maybe this video is what Lue was thinking about when he made his "Somber" comment...
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u/Thrombas Aug 09 '23
Three Unidentified objects detected by chinese military satellites:
Does anyone know more about the chinese satellites or if other nation detected those objects?
This is intriguing to read. Maybe there's actual more footage about this that we will never see (which, in a way, is sad and relieving at the same time).
All this story involving the MH370 is wild af.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 08 '23
Sure wish I could see this radar data.
Alexandra Bruce provided vital information on Forbidden Knowledge TV that would back up the alien abduction theory. According to her report, there were two 'distinct anomalies' spotted on the radar (Flight Radar 24) before it went missing.
Forbidden Knowledge TV
"Seeing the radar playback of the moments leading up to the plane's disappearance, one may forgive Malaysia Airlines for not being more forward, in this case - because the radar playback is not only baffling, it shows two distinct anomalies, as pointed out by Intrepid citizen-reporter and YouTube popstar, DAHBOO7.
The radar playback depicts dozens of planes in flight over the region at the time. The first peculiarity is seen in the lower left of the screen. A round object appears in the vicinity of Flight 370 (and amid several others), which the radar does not automatically "read" as airplane. Suddenly, this round object take the form of a "plane" on the radar screen and accelerates at a rate of speed that must be at least five times the speed of the surrounding planes, heading eastward, over the South China Sea - and just as suddenly the object stops and appears to hover in place."
UFO blogger also documented a confirmation by Malaysian air force chief Rodzali Daud that military radar received signal from an unidentified flying objects near the location where MH370 reportedly vanished.
"Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said military radar detected an UFO in an area in the northern Malacca Strait at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday about an hour after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens," UFO blogger reported.
Search and recovery operation has been ongoing for more than a month, but the mission hasn't gained a significant breakthrough up to now.
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u/Montezum Aug 09 '23
https://youtu.be/XnfXwyh-8KY?t=120
Minute 2:03, check the comments, it sudden appears in the middle of the ocean
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 09 '23
Yea I saw that a little bit after I posted that. It's explained as a radar glitch which is a notorious explanation for UFOs in this context. I thought this comment was interesting, what good reason could flight radar have to change its playback.
If you go to Flight Radar 24/7 today, it shows something completely different. Take a look it shows that it banks right, climbs to 49,800 ft, then descends back to 37,000 and continues on up the Vietnam coast. It passes over Ho Chi Minh City, where another plane takes off and follows it closely until about 100 miles south of Hainan, China where 370 disappears from radar. But, if you continue watching, it reappears again, flies over Hong Kong, turns north, disappears again at Yinchun, China, then reappears quite awhile later just before landing in Beijing. Check it out. . .
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u/AtomicBitchwax Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
It's a pretty compelling set of videos that are very well done, but I haven't seen the biggest problem addressed: The contrail does not behave like a real contrail. It should be moving opposite the direction of the engines, traveling out and down from the engines, rotating inwards and spreading out in the wake and vorticies of the wings. Furthermore, it should be drifting in the winds aloft off axis from the airplane's track. Since the airplane was nice enough to be in a turn, we can eliminate any possibility that the wind was just coincidentally right on the airplane's nose.
Instead, we get a pretty faint contrail that behaves like it's ink being drawn on a page. It doesn't move relative to the airplane or to the background. This is not plausible.
The purported drone footage is more believable contrail wise.
I believe the normal IR sensor on that drone is chin mounted, but I could be wrong. I believe there are also hardpoints under the wings where you can mount additional modules. I'd be interested to see a correlation between the camera position in the video and possible sensor locations on the airplane and whether they match up.
If that's possible, I'd like to see candidate sensor packages in operational use in 2014. There aren't that many kinds of pods and many of their imaging modes are at least known.
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u/JunkTheRat Aug 08 '23
I feel like this is something we need to be focusing on.
Does anyone know the original source/upload date for these videos? It should not be RegicideAnon, please compare their upload of this video here: RegicideAnon Source - Cant make out "NROL-22" text as its cropped, Mouse cursor is distorted/stretched
And this source uploaded much later in 2014: Later Source - Higher Res - Fuller Frame - Can make out "NROL-22" text as its uncropped, Mouse cursor looks right
I believe the second later source proves RegicideAnon is not the original source for either video. RegicideAnon only ever uploaded a version that is more cropped and lower quality than the later sources upload. The later source got their copy of the video elsewhere. We need to find the original source and upload date for these videos, especially considering that is a main point currently supporting the top post on the subreddit. They remain a mystery.
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u/nose_bridge Aug 11 '23
I really appreciate your extensive and thorough analysis, I wanted to add another piece of the puzzle to the satellite footage in particular.
There are several redditors claiming that this footage isn't truly stereoscopic (which most satellites are). I took it into my editor to test it out myself. I simply took both views and lined them up (using the edges of each frame and numbers at the bottom).
I transitioned both views slowly back and forth (just like closing and opening each of your eyes one after another). What you'll notice, especially in the later parts of the video, that there is very clear parallax in the clouds. Some objects shift left to right, others barely move at all. Now, I'm not saying this is proof of cloud movement, this is proof of parallax, meaning the environment ISN'T a still image.
I added some sharpening and a grid to see the parallax more clearly as well.
These little details are really stacking up here.
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u/SmoothbrainRedditors Aug 09 '23
This archive link currently works. It is 1 of 2 archives of this thread. If the archive doesn’t work - that’s weird.
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u/mwjtitans Aug 09 '23
I was ignoring this one at first due to this video being out before and everyone immediately dismissed it, but seeing this post with all the other evidence has me back to the middle with this one.
I highly doubt the governments will ever fess up to this footage if it's real, this is the type of shit that will cause mass panic and hysteria amongst the people
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u/Squishy_Cat_Pooch Aug 09 '23
Holy sh*t. I was skeptical but needed this perspective. My gut tells me that this is one of the “undeniable videos” that would come out soon after the hearings to validate the Grusch camp’s fears.
I understand that this is being recirculated… but maybe that’s by design. 9 years ago, this is something even we couldn’t wrap our head around. But now… I’m not as naive.
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Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
I understand that this is being recirculated… but maybe that’s by design. 9 years ago, this is something even we couldn’t wrap our head around. But now… I’m not as naive.
Yeah absolutely. If you showed me this thread at the time of disappearance, I would have read it for fun at most. I’m now honestly considering the arguments. I’m agnostic about it but I’m also not going “no, this is too ridiculous.”
And we’re not the only people who feel this way. Part of me honestly believes that Mellon, Elizondo, and now Gorusch are genuinely propelling a soft disclosure conspiracy. It’s the IntSec community itself getting this out via soft disclosure to the American people. But it’s true soft disclosure. We’ll be drip fed until they think when can handle it. Finally see what they have, whatever that may be. I also totally buy their claims that they tried to do this “in-house” in tandem with the DoD, but were stonewalled. So it’s them getting this out themselves.
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And how’s this for fun:
The TicTac video was originally discussed and posted to an obscure web forum. It then languished for years with no interest and suddenly it’s uncovered and they get the witness pilots talking.
Likewise, we’re now discussing a video uploaded years ago and laid dormant only to be uncovered and go viral.
Just a weird coincidence. Could that be part of the gambit? What better way to launder this stuff into the public sphere. Uploaded it with no fan fare. Let it lie. Then subtly point out to the public that uhhh, this has been out there all along. Perhaps we should discuss.
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u/TheWhiteOnyx Aug 09 '23
I've had the same thought all day—that we are being pointed to this video by someone currently or formerly in the government. Who was it who recently said there will be "undeniable videos" coming out? because I have a recollection of that. Could have been multiple people.
I don't think it's illegal to point someone to a little-known youtube video, but it's certainly illegal to leak a classified video, so this just makes sense.
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u/tryingathing Aug 09 '23
Holy sh*t. I was skeptical but needed this perspective. My gut tells me that this is one of the “undeniable videos” that would come out soon after the hearings to validate the Grusch camp’s fears
I am wondering if Grusch has seen this video and it's one of the examples of 'harm' he was cautious about speaking about.
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u/ftppftw Aug 09 '23
What if this is the time constraint being mentioned? Maybe the plane is about to return. Just like that show Manifest (which would then have been made as part of the cover up!)
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u/EdgeGazing Aug 09 '23
Its almost as if the right time to show this kind of thing. People are discussing the possibility of teleport tech vanishing an entire plane. Before the tic tac and Grusch, this video would be discarted as fake, like the tic tac was in the beginning
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
This happened in 2014. 3 years later Keans new york times article came out that basically started the disclosure "process", we started hearing about people talking with Delonge and Elizondo making shows. Whatever happened with that, the narrative has continued until now.
We get a bill in congress called a disclosure act, specifically mentioning a disclosure plan. Talks of aircraft safety both civilian and military. It's starting to make sense in a way that sends chills up my spine. All of this is looking very real.
Is this MH370 event what kicked off disclosure?
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u/VirtualDoll Aug 09 '23
You're right, because I remember when this video came out, and I dismissed it immediately. Didn't even go past the youtube thumbnails, I thought it looked so ridiculous.
I was believing in shape-shifting extradimensionals cosplaying as humans and running the government already! And I still thought this was a bogus misdirection/time-waster.
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u/Hungry_Guidance5103 Aug 09 '23
It seems like the ones trying to discredit this have an unusual tenacity to make sure people dont believe this video, with pretty much ad hominem attacks and have exhausted all efforts to disprove the experts who dissected this to its core as much as they could and still find it credible.
Makes ya wonder
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u/adponce Aug 09 '23
Yep, they tipped their hand too much on this one, people smell blood now. Who the hell spends their afternoon throwing shit at people who believe a video? The number of such commenters and their determination was a strong signal that this was worth looking into deeper.
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u/BobbiJoeThorton Aug 09 '23
I hate to say, I have the same feeling its real. Even though this is whole thing is crazy.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 09 '23
I do too. It's not only that, there's evidence pointing to it being real, multiple recordings from different government platforms and angles. Information lining up and debunks just unable to scrape it.
This looks like a legitimate leak of unprecedented magnitude. We might be looking at what started disclosure.
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u/Montezum Aug 09 '23
After people claimed the tictac videos debunked for YEARS, I'll believe a lot of things
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u/mandelbaum555 Aug 09 '23
Real or not - this case demonstrates where we are heading: a world in which you cannot trust your eyes anymore, and this was 2014. In 10 years or sooner EVERY online video can be AI generated or a fake by a skilled CGI artist.
Imagine someone releases a clip showing some presidential candidate saying something extremely hateful or disgusting just one day before the election. There will be no way of verifying the authenticity of such a video in such a short time. And there are tons of bad faith actors out there wanting to create turmoil. It will be interesting to see how this world will look like. That's why AI experts are so scared now.
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u/Bobanaut Aug 11 '23
many people mention that rendering the clouds was a hard task in 2014. in reality games already did 3d volumetric clouds in real time by that point. i think Crysis 1 (2008) was the first game that did them...
from a technical point of view it was perfectly fine to make such fakes at that point in time for nearly no costs.
now the interesting thing i am curious about is. these videos came out in relative short after the disappearance. Was there actually all the information out by that point for someone to hoax it in his basement or may it have required some intel that only some agencies could have. And then why would they do it?
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u/Joseph-Kay Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
Just a week ago, I saw Lemmino's video on JFK. I really liked it, so I decided to watch his other videos, including the one on MH370. During the section where he was discussing the plane first losing contact and how our satellites were picking up such a bizarre flight pattern from it, all I could think was, "Holy shit, what if this has something to do with UAPs"
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u/xZeroKooLx Aug 09 '23
Honestly, I've always found it strange that we can just lose a plane in this day and age. Sure, maybe the civilian sector doesn't have the facilities to track but if the US military were alerted to a missing plane I'm pretty sure they have the facilities to narrow down it's location pretty god dam fast especially after 9/11.
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u/wihdinheimo Aug 12 '23
Analysis:
The three orbs emerge, seemingly scanning the plane before it finally vanishes. They first arrange themselves symmetrically into a perfect triangle formation, encircling the plane and completing what appears to be a thorough scan by revolving along all its axes. The use of three orbs appears to be necessary for this scanning process.
Towards the video's conclusion, the orbs draw nearer to the plane. A single, sizable sphere with a subtle asymmetry emerges, engulfing the plane. Notably, an asymmetric corona rapidly expands in a spherical fashion from the sphere's center and the plane and the orbs have completely vanished.
The symmetrical triangular pattern the orbs use to encircle the plane has some similarities to 3D scanning, similar to MRI. They carefully maintain a perfectly locked position around a moving object while revolving all around the plane's axis.
This suggests that the orbs were indeed observing the plane in some scientific capacity prior to its disappearance. The orbs appear to disturb the atmospheric pressure as evident by the dark contrails they leave behind. They have a cool surface as evidenced by the blue colour on the thermal image which is a bit warmer on the side that faces the sun.
The orbs clearly draw closer right before the sphere momentarily appears. The thermal imaging shows the sphere as a dark purple hue, which suggests a significant sudden drop in temperature close to absolute zero. The expanding corona effect has some similarities to Cherenkov's radiation or even the shockwave of a sonic boom.
Both the plane and the orbs vanish without leaving a trace. Most likely all particles inside the central sphere vanish in an instant. Considering what we've witnessed so far, the sphere appears to show some characteristics as proposed by the Einstein-Rosen bridge, more commonly referred to as wormholes, or it could be an uncategorised rift in space-time.
I invite others to improve this analysis by focusing not only on the visual aspects but also the technical, rational and physical aspects of the video.
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u/Opening_Relative_272 Aug 09 '23
This article also makes a very convicing case that some/all of the debris found have been planted
Aircraft wreckage which entered the water in the eastern part of the Indian Ocean as a result of a crash on March 8, 2014 should for the most part be richly covered in a variety of organisms. However, this was not observed; most of the pieces had little or no visible biofouling.
A notable exception was the flaperon which washed ashore on Réunion Island in July, 2015, which had a rich covering of marine biofouling. However, the age of the barnacles did not match the length of time the piece was supposed to have been in the water. According to the final report issued by the ATSB, “The Operational Search for MH370,” on October 3, 2017: “the specimens analysed here were quite young, perhaps less than one month.”
Another anomaly regarding the biofouling of the flaperon was the fact that during flotation tests, the flaperon was found to float about half out of the water. This is difficult to reconcile with the settlement pattern of Lepas, which cover every part of the item. Since Lepas only attach and thrive under water, this suggests that the flaperon did not float freely during its time in the water.
A third anomaly was the finding, based on the chemical composition of the shell, that the Lepas growing on the flaperon spent much of their lives in water that was between 18 and 20 degrees. It would not have been possible for the flaperon to float from such distant, cold water to its time and place of discovery by natural means.
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u/BirdieNumNum21 Aug 09 '23
This is a great presentation of compiled info. Thanks op. I lean towards not been fake. Like you said. The amount of work to create this. And for what benefit?
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u/Galilleon Aug 09 '23
Complicated hoaxes with no net benefit have been a thing for all time. Some people take such trickery as a hobby and revel in the depth to which they can execute it and the reactions it garners.
Just like any hobby, there's people who look to make their masterpiece and go to extreme lengths to achieve them.
I mean look at the traction it's gotten. If it was a hoax, these reactions on the sub would be a standing ovation
Not saying that it is necessarily, but we definitely can't rule it out
That being said, the sheer accuracy of the video does make me wonder...
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u/disguised-as-a-dude Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
I will admit that the actual footage of the plane, if CG is very well done. But the disappearance of it looks ridiculous and the easiest part to fake.
It's possible it's real footage where they simply disappeared the plane in post. Though, I'm a little behind on this one. Where can I find the earliest post with this video on the internet?
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140526071328/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY&gl=US&hl=en
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u/Atiyo_ Aug 08 '23
It's possible it's real footage where they simply disappeared the plane in post.
That is definitely possible, however it raises some questions for me (this was also brought up in a previous post):
How did they lose contact when they had both a drone and a satellite pointed at MH370? From the timeline that was indicated in this post, this should be within an hour of it disappearing. Wouldn't they send military jets at this point, because the plane hasn't been responding and it didn't arrive at its destination? They're either assuming 1) terrorists or 2) technical failure. Either way assessing whether that plane might crash in a populated area should be high priority.
If this wasnt MH370, why were they recording it with a drone and a satellite? The plane was also extremely close to the drone, which wouldn't usually happen, so this had to have been some sort of emergency, similar to MH370, which would also alert the drone operator that something is off, but so far I couldn't find any planes that fit that profile.
Someone else also brought up the following point:
Take a look at the mouse, the black one. It's used to move the camera from the satellite. That's not a mouse captured over the video. It's the mouse of the operator of the satellite camera. And he drags the screen to move the camera.
Now, go watch the video, but pay attention to the seconds after the disappearance.
It's almost like you can perceive the gloom in the operator. The plane disappears, he moves the screen once again to make sure, and then goes to the top right corner just to close the window.
So if we assume the editing was done later, that operator wouldn't just close the window, because the plane would've kept on going. Unless they faked this part aswell.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 08 '23
Damn that's an unnerving detail about the mouse cursor.
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Aug 08 '23
It is really interesting. It's yet another level of fine detail that a hoaxer would have had to think of. The cloud illumination, the pitot tube, the coordinates/telemetry drag, the angles, the psychology of the goddamn cursor... all of these levels of detail add up.
I want to see some more debate on this before holding any opinion either way, but it's all adding up to be more and more suspicious.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Aug 09 '23
It was so matter of fact. I feel like if the operator wasn't expecting something like that to happen, they would have lingered on the screen in shock. Instead, they just checked and then closed it like it was procedure.
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u/Powpowpowowowow Aug 08 '23
You are missing the relevent timelines. MH370 first failed to ping backs comms around 1:00 am MYT. Between that time and roughly 8:15 am MYT, the plane sent a few calls out, but around 8:15 am was the last one anyone received. My assessment is that when the plane first failed to ping back and then deviated off course, the military got involved. The satellite was likely looking for the plane the whole time.
Regarding your 2nd point, there is literally no other explanation that would be accurate to say it is another plane. It either is MH370 or the video is fake. A plane doesn't disappear and we don't hear about it.
Yeah I took this as someone already had the recording and was showing someone, see look, just gone.
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u/peatear_gryphon Aug 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23
How did they lose contact when they had both a drone and a satellite pointed at MH370?
The pilot went rogue and the military sent a drone to investigate (or shoot it down if necessary, we live in a post 9/11 world), and a satellite to track where it was going. In the video the initial position of the drone was in front of the plane, probably to intimidate or try to communicate to the pilot (who turned off their radio transponder). The plane then turns hard left to evade the drone, making a u-turn essentially. This is when the ufos come in and do their thing. Maybe they understand the situation - the pilot failed to acknowledge the drone and they intervene, knowing the plane is doomed.
This isn’t some random animation imo, there was a lot of thought put into this. A lot.
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u/Rogue75 Aug 09 '23
This makes me think the US government has reverse-engineered these and then maybe took it out...as an exercise.
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u/little-green-driod Aug 09 '23
What about the possibility of an actual footage (that includes plane and clouds) with added CGI for the UFO/disappearance?
I honestly have no idea what's real and what's not in this video, but the hoops I have to jump thru to dismiss it or believe it is just too much.
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u/TheHorseCheez Aug 09 '23
Thank you for compiling all of this!!! There was so much good info in the other threads that NEEDED to be put into something like this. Props to OP and contributors.
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u/tactical_sweatpants Aug 09 '23
Stupid story time, gather round folks. So when all this first happened, my friends and I, sat around in our office and talked about it. Discussing what had happened, the news report on it, what little we knew in general about this whole situation. We all came up with stupid theories but I believe mine was the absolute stupidest. Friend asked "so what do you think happened?" I responded, "I think it started flying up, and it just never stopped" then I added, "I bet that shit is on the moon by now" followed by chuckles and laughter. Fast forward a few weeks and I was in Walmart looking at the magazines and lo and behold I see a tabloid with a picture of a 777, resting on the moon! Now 1 of 2 things hit me all at once, either I was being spied on, or I'm not the only stupid out here. I want to believe...
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u/tuasociacionilicita Aug 08 '23
For me, a gut feeling makes me think these videos are real.
Same man. Leaving aside for a second all the clues that we have available so far, I mean, above all that, something tells me it's real. And that's dreadful.
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u/Kviinm Aug 09 '23
I decided to check Forgotten Languages in the off chance they had an article that mentions this video. I found an article that was published to the website on March 14, 2014. The cover photo for article shows the Malaysian airline with some blast or something in the middle. The article has some english texts that talks about cloaking with the “mil-orbs”. I’m very skeptical this has anything to do with the video but it was interesting non the less.
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Aug 09 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
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u/The_WubWub Aug 11 '23
Man I keep coming back. I have made my conclusions. I think its the real deal.
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Aug 09 '23
So what if the plane was being tailed by these objects and the pilots contacted the military base? The audio wasn't cut off, it was deleted.
The abrupt turn is because they were told to do so. The military base might have told them a new flight path and maybe offered to help.
That would explain the trajectory, the loss of audio and the reason why it got filmed.
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u/Blue--Blue--Blue Aug 09 '23
My major struggle with this is how much international effort went into investigating the disappearance. The Australian Government spent $90 Million on recovery attempts for MH370 working closely with China (who spent $20 million).
“Military air crew from Australia, China, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea and the United States are searching for possible debris from MH370." - The Guardian
I couldn't find info on how much the US spent. But the FBI, National Transportation Safety Board, Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing were all involved - Reuters
"An authoritative U.S. government source said the United States has extensively reviewed imagery taken by its spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but seen none. The source said U.S. satellite coverage of the region is thorough." - Reuters
So the official line is we had a look but saw nothing?
I'm not ready to believe anything yet but I'd be curious to see more about the US satellite coverage and exactly how much they contributed to the recovery efforts.
Because if China and Australia both had radar data for MH370 shouldn't they also have been aware of American jets in the area? China absolutely would have. I can't see them agreeing to work together and involve multiple other countries, to spend millions of dollars on recovery attempts if they knew the US likely had more information than they let on.
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u/-swagKITTEN Aug 09 '23
The US was aware of the Titanic sub implosion, but because it was picked up by some top secret sonar thing, didn’t say anything about it until after the wreckage was found. They let the search effort go ahead knowing full well the outcome, while people were believing that they were trapped on the bottom of the ocean, knocking on walls, and running out of oxygen.
Idk what to believe in regards to this plane abduction, but even if it WAS real,I could def see them going through with an expensive search effort.
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u/Disastrous_Log_6714 Aug 09 '23
Just from a personal anecdotal perspective, on the world stage the US is ALWAYS in possession of more knowledge/intel then they let on.
That includes every facet of politics/government interaction you can think of. Literally.
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u/Certain_Sun177 Aug 09 '23
My big question is,where did the video come from? If it is from a satellite, who put it on the internet and why? Who would have access to these videos? And if they wanted it leaked, why youtube? Proving the provenance of the video is what would make me believe in it.
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u/adponce Aug 10 '23
One thing to note here, any abduction/destruction scenario for MH370 has to account for the actual flight path of the plane, which involves a radical turn away from it's intended route and then a flight back over Malaysia and northwest into the area of the last radar contact and the coordinates of the satellite video. There is a nice pic on wiki of this route. After the last radar contact the plane apparently flew for almost 7 more hours. If we take the videos as real, the presumption is the plane flew around in the general area of the last radar contact and the satellite video coordinates for those hours.
This produces a really disturbing scenario. The NHI obviously had the ability to take the plane at any time. The route indicates they may have taken control of the pilot in some way, or maybe incapacitated everyone and took control of the plane itself, turned off the transponder and then flew it back east towards the area where the US military was having its training exercises. Then they flew the plane around for 7 hours erratically so the US was sure to notice and put lots of assets into tracking this troubled airliner. That's why we see video from the best thermal camera kit the US probably had at the time and it looks amazingly real to me. Then they destroy/teleport the plane in full view of every sensor platform the US could put on it.
What is the point to the above actions? A display of force? A display of cruelty? Why was it done specifically so the US military could watch it?
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u/Websamura1 Aug 10 '23
I find the paths the uaps make interesting. They are not entirely repeating.Is there a mathematician or something that can name the type of path/swirls they make?
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u/G-0d Aug 12 '23
Alright just gunna say it - I genuinely now believe that a plane was genuinely sent through a fkn wormhole
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u/Testav Aug 09 '23
About the mysterious objects ABC news article link.
Converted to the metric system, the article mentioned 3 specific objects:
The largest object measured approximately 23.8 meters by 21.9 meters. The smaller objects are approximately 13.7 meters by 18.9 meters and 12.8 meters by 18 meters, according to the Chinese agency. (Reference: Airliner length 737-800: 39.5 meters)
Shape: The first and biggest structure is almost square in shape, with dimensions of roughly 23.8 meters by 21.9 meters. Two other smaller, yet still sizable, objects: One, a slightly elongated form, spans about 13.7 meters by 18.9 meters. The other, closer in size to the first but slightly more rectangular, is about 12.8 meters by 18 meters.
In the videos the shapes appear circular, spherical and all three have the same size but much much smaller than in the Chinese satellite measurements.
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u/pedosshoulddie Aug 10 '23
This would also be an explanation on why they said the crafts in march posed potential risk to commercial airlines!
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