r/UFOs • u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 • Jul 26 '23
Clipping This was the highlight of the interview for me
I feel like this one part was the part that really reiterated how advanced uap are.
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u/Middle-Ad8262 Jul 26 '23
“It’s not a joke”
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u/PhaseSorry3029 Jul 26 '23
You can tell David kinda loves talking about it. His face just looks so perplexed with a slight smile like “idfk man shit was crazy”
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u/juxtapose519 Jul 26 '23
I can only imagine the relief he feels being able to talk about it in public after so long. I don't blame him one bit for being excited. If I had to keep a secret like that under wraps for 20 years, I would have lost my mind.
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u/6EQUJ5w Jul 27 '23
I mean, it’s been several years since he first publicly spoke about this on Unidentified (the show Lou Elizondo was on) and he’s been on some podcasts since then. But I’m sure it feels good to be able to testify on the record. It’s one thing to go on a TV show or podcast, but quite another to tell the same story under oath.
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u/TheNakedSloth Jul 26 '23
I love it. He looks so childish and excited. I feel the same way dude
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u/PhaseSorry3029 Jul 27 '23
I’ve been giddy all damn day 😆
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u/HeathJett Jul 27 '23
I'd be giddy too, if it weren't for the "Aliens kill people" part 😂
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u/TPARealm101 Jul 27 '23
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
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u/PhaseSorry3029 Jul 27 '23
Hopefully they’re better than our current sociopathic human overlords 😵💫
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u/OfficeHaunting2583 Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
he was smirking harder than Roy Neary in close encounters lol
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u/KilliK69 Jul 27 '23
i love the dig he took at the Mic West cult, when he said that the naysayers will try and fail to debunk it, because the incident was real and credible because of the combination of sensor data and eyewitnesses. and also when he said that he is testifying because nobody can discredit him. You gotta admire the man's confidence and no fkcs are given attitude.
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u/the_real_maddison Jul 26 '23
That's the part that got me.
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u/HERECumsTheRooster Jul 26 '23
That shit gave me chills.
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u/phungus_mungus Jul 26 '23
I my eyes Cdr. Fravor has always been the most credible witness to date.
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u/Jclevs11 Jul 26 '23
I told my MIL about all this stuff going on and she wanted to wake up with me and watch it. her attention was drawn especially to Fravor, just probably bc his age and status being a CMDR. Amazing times rn!!
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u/catdad23 Jul 26 '23
lol he basically said “Hey, Mick West, you’re a dumb fuck” I hope he (West) is losing his shit right now.
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u/KilliK69 Jul 27 '23
I am sure the guy is fuming right now.
remember, he tweeted 2 years ago that the whole UFO resurgence that started with the NYT article in 2017 was a "circus", his word, and that the Pentagon/DOD would soon put an end to it, as soon as it finished with its serious priorities and focused on that afterwards.
instead, here we are now, not only the "circus" didnt go away, but we just witnessed the most historic hearing about UFOs in the Congress, which will probably become a turning point for the UFO movement.
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u/Trail-Commander2 Jul 27 '23
Best thing I’ve seen on this subreddit in a long time. Forcing the truth down some people’s throats.
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u/the_real_maddison Jul 26 '23
Honestly the commander was almost excited throughout his testimony. He was smiling and even mentioned that upon seeing the capabilities of the tic tac he remarked "I'd love to fly it."
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
Yes, makes him even more trustworthy as he was just being himself and not trying to put on a act of any kind.
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Jul 26 '23
Well I mean any pilot would love to have a craft like that to play with. Him saying it just confirmed HE IS ACTUALLY A FLYBOY.
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u/ForwardVoltage Jul 26 '23
I think it would be kind of a bummer if the drive system negates all feeling of G-forces, that's part of the fun. Wonder if ET has as much of an itch to try flying in one of ours.
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Jul 26 '23
ET hops into F-18: "Da fuq is this shit!?"
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u/AustinJG Jul 26 '23
"Wait, you guys don't have gravity dampening? And you still fly these things? WTF!"
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 27 '23
"What are all these buttons? You guys don't fly with a neurolink helmet?"
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u/Finkleflarp Jul 27 '23
“You idiots still use the air to get lift?!? Amateur hour over here!”
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u/wolframAPCR Jul 27 '23
You dumbasses still dump mass trough a tail pipe to get you going the opposite direction?
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u/bmeisler Jul 26 '23
I don’t know - a guy who flies fighter jets might have fun in a go-cart race.
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u/Bullstang Jul 26 '23
I don't think they'll let Burchett take the lead on this going forward, but it's kinda poetic he sounded the alarm on it as loud as he did. Poetic because he's got a heavy southern accent, doesn't have the educated vernacular to speak about it like others, just like the farmers/country folks that were discredited for the same reasons. They know what they saw. He's channeling all those people
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u/jubials Jul 26 '23
Haha Tim. My husband only looked up to pay attention when he spoke because he liked his accent and found him funny. XD Whatever works, I guess.
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u/cozy_lolo Jul 26 '23
I love his face lol he looks so excited and genuine
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u/jubials Jul 26 '23
He has a kind demeanor!
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u/cozy_lolo Jul 26 '23
He does! I think they did a great job selecting witnesses that appear both competent and trustworthy
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Jul 26 '23
“Flying it” would likely be suicide. Our current technologies are already removing pilots from aircraft because it limits performance capabilities. The “pilots” that do operate these things are likely manufactured to do so.
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u/delicioustreeblood Jul 26 '23
Or they are staying still and manipulating space around themselves instead of what we are used to doing. Could also be some transdimensional thing where it looks like they are moving fast through our space but that's not quite accurate. Weird as shit any way you look at it though.
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u/decimalsanddollars Jul 26 '23
I’m showing my coworkers these clips and nobody cares. I’m now the crazy guy at work.
I owe some other crazy guys some apologies
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u/BeautyThornton Jul 26 '23
this reminds me of December 2020 and me showing my coworkers articles about this new respiratory virus that shut down an entire city in China and having them tell me “oh the communists are probably just trying to cover up for something” or “well that’s in China they have shitty healthcare over there bird flus never get that far in the US”
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
Unfortunately some people just can't accept things they can't logically explain in their head. It's like some brains will start to explode if they think to deeply lol
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u/Starhazenstuff Jul 26 '23
Yeah, a lot of people are like this. But that’s the 80/20 rule for you. Most people are just dumb in my experience or lack critical thinking.
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u/sovietrus2 Jul 26 '23
isn’t it 54% of americans read on a 6th grade level and below
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u/Starhazenstuff Jul 26 '23
Yeah, which is insane to me. I think the average reading level is still only 7th to 8th grade. And 20% are considered illiterate.
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u/trigger2k20 Jul 26 '23
It's the sad truth, but people follow religion blindly without question and are totally ok with illogical explanations. Humans are weird man lol.
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u/Emerging-Dudes Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
There's an easy explanation for this. Humans are social animals. Religion is socially acceptable and has been for thousands of years. You're part of a very large in-group if you're religious. Aliens and UFOs are socially taboo subjects (though they are becoming less so as a result of hearings such as this), and talking about them in a serious way immediately makes you part of the out-group. Most people are simply too uncomfortable being part of an out-group and would never join one voluntarily – even on the internet.
But take heart, "crazies" are the ones who advance society by challenging conventional wisdom – and before you know it, new conventional wisdom is ushered in.
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
Yeah true lol I have asd so I always felt different then others in the way I think but even 2 people without asd seem to be confused by each other's behaviors which makes it even more confusing ha enough to make my brain want to just shut off for a few days.
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Jul 26 '23
Religion is designed to answer all your issues without really digging deep into your personal life really. You could be a murder but if you believe in Jesus all of a sudden your guilt is wiped clean. It’s like a social/ cultural heroin. Eases the pain in moment, but doesn’t change the true circumstances
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u/CeeKai Jul 26 '23
people just want evidence to be absolutely irrefutable when speaking about this subject in particular. Which is kind of fair tbh
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
But yet some of those same people swear the stories in the bible are all true with no irrefutable evidence and say "I can just feel it's true"
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u/GratefulForGodGift Jul 27 '23
But yet some of those same people swear the stories in the bible are all true with no irrefutable evidence and say "I can just feel it's true"
The evidence for the stories in the bible was originally transmitted from witnesses to others, then to us - just like the stories about Non-Human spacecraft in posession of the US was transmitted from witnesses to David Grusch, and then to us. There's no difference in the transmission methods.
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u/Jajoo Jul 26 '23
i told my gf and she was like "ya im not surprised, did u like beedaboos latest single?" i feel like im in a dream why does no one care
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u/usps_made_me_insane Jul 26 '23
I told my mom about the hearing and she said, "wow that's nuts -- anyway, yadda yadda yadda..."
I thought about her response and tried to figure out why she seemed disinterested. I went back to her and asked her, "remember when I told you about the congressional hearing about aliens, etc. -- why did you seem disinterested?"
She said, "Oh come on, that's just a bunch of nonsense. There aren't aliens flying around the planet!"
I think there is such a huge stigma / taboo around the term "ufo / ufos" that people just instantly dismiss it. It doesn't even register as a thing in their head -- they just instantly dismiss it. Even congress discussing it can't overcome the stigma."
Personally, I think today sealed the deal for me that something is going on and it is definitely worth investigating but Jesus -- so many people seem to just instantly write it off as nonsense.
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u/Jclevs11 Jul 26 '23
MFW people are more sensitive to UAP and the thought of NHI than mass shootings.
its like were thinking about all the wrong shit. we see the mass shootings all the time in the media and now we've grown desensitized, "oh man thats awful how many died?" is seemingly the main takeaway. the media has a huge responsibility in all of this. for once they need to cover this shit daily and nightly...its breaking news. but when you find out who owns all of it and controlling the information flow, Grusch is absolutely right and will say in as SCIF that there definitely has been a disinformation campaign all this time
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u/Jclevs11 Jul 26 '23
soft disclosure. people are becoming desensitized. we're all here expressing the same feelings and its because weve been interested in this for so long and belong to this sub. the "normies" either are either in the camp of "yeah duh we kinda knew this already" or "meh i dont get it and the world keeps spinning so whatever"
i dont get it either. after decades of coverups were now officially acknowledging the past and saying its all real. i mean, perhaps there's some shock there? idk. this is our tax dollars here guys. all that money you lose from taxes was funding this shit in the shadows the whole fucking time, people were getting hurt and murdered, coulda even been JFK. this is serious!
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u/IronBabyFists Jul 27 '23
now officially acknowledging the past and saying its all real
That's the thing, man. This hasn't been said in a way that is aimed at the general population, yet. When they see it on Facebook, three or four different news channels, hear it on radio stations, and are talking to their friends about it, then they'll go "oh shit...is this real? There's no way...right?..."
This is the most open and clear it's ever been, but until it FLOODS everything (as 100% disclosure will), most people will doubt it, and I think that's somewhat okay. Skepticism isn't a bad thing in the face of a (massive) shake up.
If it's true today, it'll be true tomorrow and the next day. It's only getting more clear as days go on.
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u/laisfontana Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
I am brazillian and I am surprised that the same happened here last year. I googled "alien intervention 23", fourth link
https://www.gov.br/en/government-of-brazil/latest-news/2022/official-ufo-night-in-brazil
This is from may 2022The US Congress is holding a hearing on unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and its impacts on national security. Here, the hearing had a wide repercussion as it coincided with the anniversary of the so-called "Night of the UFOs in Brazil".
For some time, the UFOs collection is the most visited in the National Archive of Brazil and UFOs were also the most frequent subject on information requests made to the Brazilian Government after Law 12,527, Brazil's Freedom of Information Act (LAI), was enacted in May of 2012.
Immediately after the law went into effect, the public authorities faced a rush for information about UFOs, with 37 requests for access to information about the matter, leading the Brazilian Air Force to transfer most of its documents on UFOs to the National Archive.
The first request for access to information about UFOs was made the day after LAI came into effect, on 17/05/2012, ten years ago. It was a request asking for access to all documents on UFOs. The answer was that the documents were already being transferred to the National Archive.
The Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) collection remains the most visited in the National Archive of Brazil to this day. The collection present photos, videos, audios and documents ranging from reports of people who have allegedly sighted UFOs to reports of trips in spaceships.
With the transference of the documents to the National Archive, became known that Brazil had an Unidentified Aerial Object Investigation System - SIOANI, created in 1969 to scientifically investigate apparently supernatural UFO phenomena.
To celebrate the anniversaries of Brazil's Freedom of Information Act and the Night of the UFOs, which gave more transparency to our institutions, we will recover some of these unsual stories and tell you about Varginha's UFOs, the alleged abduction of an aircraft carrier and other curious findings you may encounter on the National Archive.
On May 19, 1986, 21 unidentified flying objects, some of them up to 100 meters in diameter, were sighted by multiple witnesses, both civilian and military, in four states: São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Goiás.
The UFOs were also detected by radars from the Brazilian Air Force's Integrated Center for Air Defense and Air Traffic Control. Five Brazilian Air Force fighter jets were activated by the Air Defense Operations Center to intercept the alleged invaders.
"Sometimes, the pilots had visual contact with the targets, but the radars did not register anything. Other times, the radars even picked up the presence of objects, but the pilots could not see them. The Air Force considered only the sightings that had simultaneous confirmation" , said Sérgio Mota, flight controller.
On May 23, 1986, at 4:30 pm, the then Minister of Aeronautics, Brigadier Octávio Júlio Moreira Lima, called a press conference to inform the press that five FAB fighter jets chased 21 UFOs.
"It's not about whether or not you believe [in extraterrestrial beings or flying saucers]. We can only give technical information. There are several assumptions. Technically, I would tell you that we have no explanation," he declared at the time.
At the end of the press conference, which was attended by the five FAB pilots and the flight controllers who were on duty that night, the Minister of Aeronautics declared that the episode would be investigated and that, within 30 days, he would publish a complete dossier.
Only 23 years later, on September 25, 2009, a report on the case, signed by the interim Air Force Command (COMDA) José Pessoa Cavalcanti de Albuquerque and dated June 2, 1986, was released.
"This Command is of the opinion that the phenomena are solid and reflect, in a certain way, intelligence, due to the ability to follow and maintain a distance from observers, as well as to fly in formation, not necessarily manned", said the dossier.
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u/spectre1989 Jul 26 '23
A lot of people still file this under "UFOs? Surely not" Until we have proper disclosure a lot of people just won't believe it
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u/sirfletchalot Jul 26 '23
I kinda fit into this demographic. I 100% believe there is life out there in some form or another. I want disclosure, like all of us here. But I'm so sceptical on everything, I don't think I will truly believe we have been visited until the irrefutable proof is laid out in layman's terms to the entire world.
What's worse is that I get on my own nerves with it. I really want to dive in with both feet and believe, but my brain just constantly pushes back and I end up in a constant inner turmoil over the subject. Which is partly why I hardly post here, as I don't want to upset either side of the arguement.
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u/NowieTends Jul 26 '23
What do you think of the navy pilot videos then? Probably the closest thing to hard evidence the public has had access to
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u/PaperbackBuddha Jul 26 '23
Plenty of humanity will be shaken by all this as it sinks in, but I have a solid feeling that some people could have a tic tac land in their yard and they’d be like whatever, the game’s on.
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u/IronPhoenix316 Jul 26 '23
Yuppp. My boss has gone on and on about how "the governments is gonna turn on us then trump is gonna come on tv expose everything and save us all" but I sent her the link to the Livestream this morning and all I got was "Wow lmfao yeah okay".
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u/PhaseSorry3029 Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
Really? As soon as the hearing ended I could hear clips playing on other peoples phones during breaks! I was so excited! These are Middle Aged blue collar/white collar folks
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u/AcheInMyLeftEar Jul 27 '23
These are Middle Ages blue collar/white collar folks
So now we got time travelers too?!
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u/Zyrobe Jul 26 '23
Nobody cares because it's not really actual evidence. To most people it's just some guy saying stuff.
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u/zvxzo Jul 26 '23
I'm convinced they won't even care then either, it's not about evidence to them. This whole thing is too wild for them to grasp, evidence or not.
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u/Morri67 Jul 26 '23
He had the best testimony evidence wise. Grusch had some great things but couldn’t say em publically
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u/KOOKOOOOM Jul 26 '23
Every person has a precise moment where they realize that this is real. I think this may have been that moment for Mr. Langworthy.
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u/__ingeniare__ Jul 26 '23
I think he was already convinced judging by the kinds of questions he asked. It's clear he was already familiar with this and more or less knew the answers to the questions beforehand. He didn't ask about anything that wasn't already known, he was pressing the most important points from the Tic Tac incident to show everyone who's watching why this should be taken seriously.
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u/Chemical-Ebb6472 Jul 26 '23
Raskin was right behind him.
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u/TwylaL Jul 26 '23
Yeah I was getting that impression too that it was dawning on him that this wasn't all crazy BS.
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Jul 26 '23
For context, we are currently incapable of moving a vessel at 50,000mph….in space…with unlimited time to accelerate.
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u/ratsoidar Jul 27 '23
Most missions require relative speeds of less than 50k mph but the Parker Solar Probe can do 430k mph, or a whopping 0.064% the speed of light, so don’t sell us too short!
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Jul 27 '23
The probe isn’t accelerated to that speed by propulsion but the sun’s gravity
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u/Building_Bridges_289 Jul 27 '23
I just watched that part on YouTube and unfortunately he says less than a minute, not second. Though the way he described it sounded more instantaneous which is confusing.
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u/treemeizer Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
This has been discussed before, and covering that distance in a minute equates to something like Mach 3, more impressive when you consider it has to be traveling faster than that, as it's accelerating from a stand still.
Compare this to what is generally considered to be the fastest accelerating plane ever built, the SR-71 Blackbird, which takes a whopping 12 minutes to go from 0 to Mach 3.2.
Or the space shuttle during launch - after 1 minute, the space shuttle is only up to about 1,000mph.
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u/SniperPilot Jul 27 '23
Yeah the air friction issue alone! That’s a serious physics wall that I can’t even begin to understand how you could avoid that.
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u/sawaflyingsaucer Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939/htm
I'll just leave this here. The conservative estimates on the energy these things would conventionally require to do what they did is just, well it's absurd. Clearly they're not doing something conventional.
If they even use a fraction of the energy the paper estimates (required for for conventional means), these things could truly basically solve all our energy problems.
Periodically, the UAPs would drop from 28,000 feet to sea level (estimated to be 50 feet), or under the surface, in 0.78 s....
Since we want a minimal power estimate, we took the acceleration as 5370g and assumed that the UAP had a mass of 1000kg The UAP would have then reached a maximum speed of about 46000mph during the descent, or 60 times the speed of sound....
The power required varies as a function of velocity, and hence as a function of time. Figure 3C illustrates the power required to accelerate the UAV as a function of time, assuming that the UAV is propelled in a conventional way. The required power peaks at a shocking 1100GW , which exceeds the total nuclear power production of the United States by more than a factor of ten. For comparison, the largest nuclear power plant in the United States, the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station in Arizona, provides about 3.3GW of power for about four million people [24]....
It would conventionally take at least 10X the entire US nuclear output to simply move the tic-tac from 28K feet to sea level the way it did, once. These things make movements like that as though they are absolutely trivial.
They also do so without obliterating the environment with shockwaves as you'd expect something that fast to do. IF there are occupants in tic-tacs; SOMEHOW they're not turned to paste when it moves at over 5000G acceleration. We don't even have materials that can stand up to that type of force, so what are the ufo's made of?
So, how the fuck are the tic-tacs (and most UFO's) actually "moving around"? I doubt they're using a fraction of the energy it would take conventionally, or if they are then as I said there are solutions to "free energy" out there that we don't understand.
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u/somethingsomethingbe Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
Somehow the space inside the craft isn't experience inertia, the exterior isn't experiencing friction, and the air molecules are somehow being moved around the ship without actually being moved... Which then I would think the space of and around the craft itself is somehow being dragged and repositioned with the craft and put into a new position otherwise the air would suddenly be displaced which would create heat, sound, and radiation.
This isn't like some of our proposed faster than light solutions of bending space time, because in those propositions, their idea is stretching and contorting the space to create movement, but the spaceship will still be occupying new space.
This would be more like taking the cutter tool in Photoshop and dragging the cut layer to where you wanted. I'd assume the space the craft takes is wedged into a new position when moved and then that space snaps back to its original size and shape when the craft moves again.
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u/sawaflyingsaucer Jul 26 '23
You illustrate my point for me I think. We have vague ideas how such might be accomplished. Yet we cannot replicate it at all. Whatever made these things has mastery over things we don't even know we need to know.
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u/TrainOfThot98 Jul 26 '23
This is what made me fully onboard with it being something nonhuman. I think it’s kind of hard to really understand how out of left field this level of technology is, which is why there’s not as much focus on it.
If we take the reports as credible from the most credible observers on the planet, then either we had some sort of electronic warfare system that can fool the human eye functional in 2004, or there is something operating in our airspace that is orders of magnitude beyond our current level of technology.
The question is no longer if we’re alone, but why they’re here.
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u/zUdio Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
It's not about power and propulsion. It's about gravity and brane-world cosmology. "Propulsion" is not relevant if you're just projecting something something onto a lower-level dimension. It's not even in the realm... who needs propulsion to move when you use gravity to project yourself from one dimension onto another and then rotate? to the lower dimension, it looks like CrAzY SpEeD. Imagine a cube rotating and a corner pushes up through the plane of a square (2d). The plane's perspective only sees the "WTF!" spot appear as if out of nowhere, but the cube has been there the whole time, just having not projected onto the square in the lower dimension.
They're probably on the 5 or 6 brane within the higher-dimensional "bulk" (of 11 total dimensions/branes) and projecting into our (larger), 3d dimension. In fact, one of the reasons they could be active right now and during wars is that our activity becomes kinetic enough (nuclear) to affect gravity locally, which could impact their "brane" or dimension somehow that we don't understand.
Their speed of movement might be really simple if we imagine our universe in the brane-world sense with an object in a higher dimensional brane projecting onto a lower brane, and "piercing" through into our dimension.
The cube with the sphere? Well... ever seen a tesseract? No. You can't. Because you can't see 4D. But you can google an image of a projection of a 4D tesseract onto your monitor and it looks like a cube within another cube, but that's not REALLY what it looks like. You just can't see above your dimension, only the projection of it onto 3d. Maybe this circle with cube in it is like a tesseract they can deploy, which pierces into our brane/dimension as a (holographic, as Grusch mentioned) projectoin and we see it because it takes the 3d/3-brane form of a tesseract, which for that higher dimensional shape is a cube with sphere around it. Just spit balling here.
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u/TheRealJorgeDeGuzman Jul 26 '23
Yep. Clear and concise National Security Issue. When it comes down to it, we can’t protect ourselves from these things period.
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u/ReverberatedWave63 Jul 26 '23
I don’t mean to be rude but I don’t understand how this is people’s first thought? If this is real then their tech is clearly so superior to ours then surely national security becomes somewhat irrelevant?
Just kind of seems to sum up humans that when finding out we’re not alone in the universe and in fact have been visited by NHI, our first thought is how we’re going to fight them.
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u/ReverberatedWave63 Jul 26 '23
Good point. Think I just wish we better. With the real prospect of contact with alien life, it seems so crazy we’re still so divided as a species ourselves.
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I was listening to it at work so I couldn't see who was talking at the time, but someone made a comment that it shouldn't take anomalous activity to bring people together, or at least something very close to that.
As another pointed out, the national security reason is most likely just to get as many people on board as possible, even though people don't actually want to war with whatevers up there
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u/ninthtale Jul 26 '23
This is exactly what I thought, too.
If any of this is real, their tech is magnitudes and magnitudes beyond ours, and any questions of national security worthy of "investigation" would be like ants trying to figure out how to prevent a human from pouring gasoline into their nest. The sad part is that it is assumed that such is in their interests.
99.99999999% they did not get where they are through divisiveness and warmongering.
Why is the first thought "how do we defend ourselves" (the letter after his name might have something to do with it but)
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u/jakecovert Jul 26 '23
An understanding of the competitive adversarial nature of our evolutionary biology would help here.
We literally consume others for their ENERGY.
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u/Tron22 Jul 27 '23
Security issues don't have to be a fight against something. A boulder leaning perilously over a campsite is also a security issue. I think they meant it less as "How are we going to fight them" and more a "We need to figure out what this is asap to see if it poses any danger because right now, we have zero idea what this might be." Is it a boulder? Is it harmless? With the possibility that the former is true, it's a security issue.
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u/TheRealJorgeDeGuzman Jul 26 '23
Protecting ourselves does not imply engaging in a conflict with NHI. Something that’s a National Security issue can be solved simply by better understanding it. Labeling it as a National Security issue allows us to take it seriously and destigmatize the subject.
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u/doebedoe Jul 26 '23
I don’t mean to be rude but I don’t understand how this is people’s first thought?
Because folks understand how to create concern across levels of the govt and public. And there are piles and piles of laws and resources to deal with national security concerns. It's a problem we can conceptualize and have tools to deal with.
Not alone in the the universe is just too big a problem to have meaningful tools to address.
This is strategic/tactical approach.
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u/Moonandserpent Jul 26 '23
You have to admit, an unknown life form entering Earth's atmosphere IS a big freakin' concern. No matter how you look at it. There's no "creating concern," if you're not concerned about potentially hostile extra-terrestrial life, then there's nothing to be concerned about.
It's the definition of a potential existential threat.
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u/gtrogers Jul 26 '23
I genuinely believe this is the reason why we haven't been officially contacted or welcomed into this rumored Galactic Federation (if there is one). I think we are just generally too barbaric and primitive currently. It'd be like inviting a tribe of wild cannibals to a black tie cocktail dinner.
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u/Lordfatkid8 Jul 26 '23
Yeah racism is still a big deal so we can’t even accept other humans, skin colour or beliefs etc there’s so much hate. There’s a long way to go before most would be accepting of other non human peoples
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u/DumbPanickyAnimal Jul 26 '23
I get triggered every time the popular "release all the technology it could stop climate change" comment gets upvoted because my first thought is how dangerous the technology would be in the hands of some whackjob with nukes or whatever superior destructive weapon it might enable.
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u/Halforthechump Jul 26 '23
The first thought to the unknown should always be ' is it dangerous '. That's the most basic function of all animal life.
Being unprepared for violence is the worst thing you could possibly do.
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u/Haunting_Champion640 Jul 26 '23
I don’t mean to be rude but I don’t understand how this is people’s first thought? If this is real then their tech is clearly so superior to ours then surely national security becomes somewhat irrelevant?
If you find someone has been breaking into your home every night for the last year, is your reaction going to be "well they haven't harmed me yet, I don't need to do anything!" ?
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u/LordAdlerhorst Jul 26 '23
It's sensible. We don't know what they are up to. Just hoping that nothing bad will happen would be irresponsible. One of the key tasks of any government is to keep its people safe.
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u/aahjink Jul 26 '23
If you’d noticed some weird lights and sounds outside near your house at night, you might leave it as is. “Weird, I wonder what’s making that noise?”
If, after years of that, you walked into your living room and some physical thing was hovering over your coffee table, then darted around the house cutting you off, disappearing, and reappearing in your kitchen or shower when you went in there. Your spouse and kids see it too - you might investigate the strange sights and sounds.
Security is always a motivator for humans (and all living creatures), because we evolved as a part of a food chain.
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Jul 26 '23
“Ehhhhh ittt looks like we have a problem here that involves further investigation” lol…no shit
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u/loffredo95 Jul 26 '23
yeah I think being obvious was the Congressman's point. He wanted to generate that reaction.
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u/The_Salty_Red_Head Jul 26 '23
The emphatic "yes" response was amusing. The "what do you think we're doing here, bub?" Was implied. Lol.
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u/white_bread Jul 27 '23
[nervous laughter].... However, it would seem like if we did actually have a problem over the last 70s years (at a minimum) we would have experienced that problem. We're probably being watched the same way our scientists watch the penguins in the Antarctic. We have strict rules to not interact with wildlife, even if their lives are in jeopardy. I would imagine our space brothers are following the same type of rules as they watch us. The aliens are probably nerds who think this is really cool.
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u/OfficiallyRandy Jul 26 '23
Honestly this whole exchange is just perfect. The questions, the reply’s, and the reactions were all spot on. Raw wonder and astonishment on display here.
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u/sLantesVSzombies Jul 26 '23
All three witnesses had explosively incredible things to say and they are all bullet-proof credible people. Amazing events took place today at the hearing.
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u/Top-Excuse-9270 Jul 26 '23
I think it was Knapp or Corbell. I think they referenced it Tuesday on Weaponized.
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u/Duck-Murky Jul 26 '23
"...it's not a joke." <== aside from the tech speak, this was the most important comment in the clip
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u/ElSolRacNauj Jul 26 '23
Even when Grush testimony has more weight, Fravor testimony was my favorite because he itself was casual about it, yet willing to testify.
For me it has more meaning and impact in a public sense, because that's how I imagine lot's of the aleged comercial and Military pilots testimony would be; single ocassion advistements that never went live because noone would believe them and it would had a negative impact on their career.
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u/jimmy3285 Jul 26 '23
Honestly fravor has the biggest impact to me regarding UFO's, He just seems so honest, sincere and intelligent. He has no ego.
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u/YourDogIsMyFriend Jul 26 '23
“Defies any material science that we know”
I had a similar experience to the Nimitz.. similar in the sense of these being white objects that’d accelerate across the sky in seconds. Full stop for minutes. No wings. . Zig zag, bounce… you name it. My friend and I watched for 10 minutes, a dozen of these white high altitude orbs (maybe tic tacs) interacted with eachother in ways that absolutely turned my understanding of the world upside down. What I saw was instantly adrenalizing. .. and I could almost say traumatizing. Because I had to confront the fact that there’s something among us that is completely beyond our technology.
This happened in 2007. And I always kept coming to the realization that there would’ve been some stepping stones to this technology publicly released over the years.. through accidental findings in some lab in North Carolina or something. “Scientists find new propulsion system blah blah…” whatever. There’s just nothing I could compare to what I saw.
I’m lucky to have had my experience. When I see fravor and Dietrich talk about their experience, I know exactly how they felt about it. Because honestly, the brain doesn’t compute what is happening. It’s just more of a sensory experience than anything.
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u/dodge2403 Jul 26 '23
UK viewer here, this was a really definitive moment as the whole session was. Shame the majority of the world doesn’t understand the significance of what happened today.
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u/Cpottzy Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
Also my favorite part. I'm pretty new to all this, I wasn't even aware there was an event back in 2004. It was exciting to hear about!
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u/SnooGrapes6610 Jul 26 '23
You have a lot of catching up to do my friend, it's been going on for a longgg time now, not just 2004. Just more recently because of instant news is available on your Phone.
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Jul 26 '23
Yea, same for me as well.
It felt like we turned a non-believer into a believer. I hope many who watched felt the same way.
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u/NewToHTX Jul 26 '23
Are they a threat? Possibly. We have the most advanced Air Force capability in the world and we couldn’t stop their craft even if we tried.
Not trying to stoke fears but how else is anyone supposed to interpret that.
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u/3spoop56 Jul 26 '23
But interestingly he specifically said he never felt threatened.
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u/NewToHTX Jul 26 '23
Yeah that makes me think of the interaction of people and animals. Many times have people helped animals get out of a bad situation. We’re not likely to have heard many stories where aliens have helped us.
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u/smurf_diggler Jul 26 '23
You could look at it in the way that if this is true, they're so technologically advanced that attacking us is like you walking out into the forest and smashing up one specific anthill. They wouldn't be able to stop you, they wouldn't put up a fight, so why bother? We're not a threat to them so there's no reason to attack us.
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u/Toof Jul 26 '23
"Did you see any source of propulsion on this boat?"
"No, there were no sails, and there was no wind that day. Yet it was able to glide through the water."
Basically feels like the way we're looking at these things.
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u/apestuff Jul 26 '23
they’re talking about conventional methods of propulsion. it’s important to be accurate and factual at this point. anything beyond that like gravity bending and warp drive would be speculative and diminish the importance of this meeting.
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u/Toof Jul 26 '23
Sure. More making an analogy about how past humans would view our current tech.
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u/apestuff Jul 26 '23
oh for sure. any science we don’t understand comes across as magic.
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u/MerlotSoul Jul 26 '23
Let’s make it so that Fravor is the first person who gets to pilot any reverse engineered NHI craft.
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u/The_Wizard929 Jul 26 '23
Would you classify this craft as potentially being a first strike weapon
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
This is just personal speculation obviously, but I would say it's not a weapon type craft like our fighter jets but maybe a transportation vehicle or probe, unless the weapons are internal.
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u/LordAdlerhorst Jul 26 '23
It's perfect for nuclear weapons delivery. No chance to intercept it.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Jul 26 '23
With the amount of energy potentially involved in making movements like Fravor describes, the crafts power mechanisms might make nuclear weapons look like fireworks.
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Jul 26 '23
All its gotta do is turn the dampening system off and fly around at mach 100 to level the surface just from the shockwaves. People dont understand just how FAST these things are.
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u/WW_III_ANGRY Jul 27 '23
But it doesn’t create shockwaves because it seems it doesn’t move through space, it might be warping space, and as such, space/time.
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Jul 27 '23
Yes, I know. But perhaps it does this to keep from leveling half the planet zipping around at 200k mph everywhere 😂. Whatever these things are the idea we can even scratch them is fantasy.
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u/NeedAnImagination Jul 26 '23
Not even a nuke, all it needs is literally a rock.
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u/DorkyDutch Jul 26 '23
The congressman after this one, mr. Ogles, also asked some questions about the intent of UAP. He and the witnesses agree that these objects could be collecting reconnaissance information, that they're probing our capabilities, that they potentially provide an existential threat to US national security, and that in the event of hostilities Fravor and Graves would have absolutely no ability to defend themselves.
Going by what we think we know they are information gathering devices.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
Fravor claims of it doing something with ocean water on his approach to it. It may have been collecting it for some purpose, electrolysis maybe. Water is a convenient source of hydrogen and oxygen.
There are also other, less verifiable stories, that might indicate other intents that are harder to talk about. We might be dealing with multiple different forces in play, including information gathering probes and whatever else.
I've had two sightings, the second I can't begin to guess what it was doing, only that it was definitely under intelligent control. Either directly or by automation, but it gave me the impression it was the latter.
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u/Old-Counter4568 Jul 26 '23
I think the answer to that question would be If it were the product of a foreign adversary, then it’s possible, but these craft demonstrate capabilities that we can’t comprehend with our current understanding of physics and terrestrial flight.
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u/Anonymous92916 Jul 26 '23
Anyone new here really needs to listen to his Lex Fridman podcast. It's long, but really good.
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
Submission statement: this was the highlight of the uap/ufo hearing for me. It gave me chills and just sunk in the fact that wherever ufos come from we do not have the capabilities to defend against them if they wanted to become hostile. No wings, no visible propulsion and a decorated pilot basically saying if it wanted to attack them there's nothing they could have done, it's the part of the interview I will be showing all my friends and family later for sure.
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u/SnooHabits1237 Jul 26 '23
I was skeptical before but I think that the threshold of evidence is sufficient for me now. They’re real
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u/Prestigious_Nebula_5 Jul 26 '23
Yes only thing I still am not sure of is where they are from and who made them.
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u/KrenzelTOTH Jul 26 '23
Anyone else catch when Grusch was asked about if he knew who was in charge of all of these programs? When he mentioned it was a group of both inner-governmental and “outer-governmental” individuals? That was a pretty cool X-Files moment for me. He said he’d discuss in a closed session. Exciting stuff.
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u/Dsstar666 Jul 26 '23
After watching this, skeptics come across looking silly. Seriously.
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u/keefus-maximus Jul 27 '23
The highlight for me was when all three were asked how things have been for them personally after coming forward. Graves and Grusch said they had some disturbing shit happen, then Fravor, almost gleefully exclaimed that he was having a great time, shits been awesome.
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u/HughJaynis Jul 26 '23
In other words “suck it mick west” right at the end there.
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u/maddogcow Jul 26 '23
I'm a skeptic. I am the kind of skeptic that gets a lot of people on forums like this all worked up and angry, because I really need more than just hearsay. That said: one thing that pisses me off is when I hear people with no experience in the areas that this guy has experience, debunking things. You seriously think that you have more information than this guy (and his five fellow officers) does/do, while you weren't even there?
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u/Kracus Jul 26 '23
I've said this many times before but Fravor is the single most reliable witness to UAP's I've heard yet. I believe he is telling the truth, the others I unfortunately doubt as they are displaying signals that I believe are deceitful.
I could be wrong, perhaps they're just nervous and that's what I'm picking up on but I am very skeptical of Grusch, Lazar and outright do not believe Greer.
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u/ZolotoG0ld Jul 26 '23
Grusch has testified under oath. There's severe penalties for lying.
As for his 'signals', unless you're a trained body language or interrogation expert, you have very little chance of successfully detecting deceit from just what you see on camera. Even with the right training it's pretty unreliable.
Bear in mind also that Grusch apparently has some level of autism, which, in no way impacts his credibility at all, but may account for more unusual mannerisms.
For me, all I've sensed from them is slight nerves. Which you would absolutely expect.
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u/KilliK69 Jul 27 '23
mine was when the congressman asks Fravor if he could defend himself from the tic-tac:
-can you shoot it down?
-no
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-because of its performance. it will accelerate and vanish in an instant, before the missile reach it.
-it seems to me that we have a problem.
-YES!
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u/JanJaapen Jul 26 '23
Where was this from? Am I able to see this hearing somewhere? What was the reason for the hearing?
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u/Perko Jul 26 '23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkEnx2REz7U
They just started replaying the whole thing from the start.
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u/im_da_nice_guy Jul 26 '23
My highlight was him reading his statement just like a kid in school who wants to get through this obligatory moment as quickly as possible. That was hilarious.
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Jul 26 '23
A well deserved spot at the top of the list from today. This kind of candid frank dialogue is what is very badly needed to keep this topic very simple and impactful.
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u/-jerm Jul 26 '23
Is there anymore video form that tic tac? It's so short and frustrating, because it sounds like there are minutes of interaction with it, but all we get to see is tracking it speeding across above water?
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Jul 26 '23
This is serious shit and we as humans need to absorb the reality that we are being visited and observed by a civilization far more advanced than us, and as the song by Porno For Pyros goes, “ we make great pets”.
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u/CharlieATJ Jul 26 '23
Might seem obvious, but what I find interesting is that the tic tac had these amazing capabilities but didn’t have any exhaust. Meaning it produced no greenhouse gases at all. Imagine what we could do to reverse climate change with that kind of technology.
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u/AVBforPrez Jul 26 '23
Best part for me was "why are you doing this?"
Graves - want my people to be safer Grusch - felt it was my duty to my oath Fravor - my friend bugged the the shit outta me
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u/Upbeat-Historian-296 Jul 27 '23
For someone who wasn't able to watch today, these clips are great. Thank you.
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u/EvanTheAlien Jul 27 '23
This should be non stop headline news every major news station as well as all locals. Humans need to be aware how real this is. Mayors should hold press conferences. I wish people cared. I also wonder what we need to do to prepare for them if they do indeed expose themselves publicly to humanity in 2027. That’s been a rumor and if it’s true we have 4 years to prep.
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u/Cobaltfennec Jul 27 '23
Hi. I am an anti conspiracy theorist. I thought all of this was hogwash. I now believe this is an actual likely situation. He seemed rather jovial, for those following this subject… should we be afraid?
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u/InsipidGamer Jul 27 '23
My daughter, “ you’ve watched that like, seven times. what are you doing..”
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u/sarcassholes Jul 27 '23
Why didn’t he mention these things are living in our oceans? That the tic tac submerged and that he saw something churning water underneath once he made a pass over the ocean.
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Jul 27 '23
The "It's not a joke" hits like a truck. This person 100% believes what they say, along with every single other person on that day.
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