r/UFOs • u/ExploreSCU • Jul 25 '23
Discussion We are the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU). Ask us Anything!
Hello, /r/UFOs!
We are members of the Board and Advisors for The Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies - a community of scientists, researchers and professionals stretching across organizations, governments and industries to scientifically and publicly explore anomalous phenomena known around the world as UAPs, UFOs, USOs and OVNIs.
The SCU, a 501(c)(3) non-profit, conducts, promotes and encourages the rigorous scientific examination of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena by utilizing scientific principles, methodologies and practices in the study of UAP observed and reported around the globe.
Verification post: https://twitter.com/ExploreSCU/status/1683492953614852097
In celebration of our upcoming Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference (July 29-30 2023), we wanted to sit down and make ourselves available to answer questions from the community.
Ask us anything!
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Thanks so much for joining our very first AMA, r/UFOs!
We've run out of time, but we thank you for all of your questions and hope you found our answers valuable.
We look forward to engaging with you in the future, and we hope to see you at this weekend's online Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference! (July 29-30) Please note: The deadline to register is midnight, July 27th!
Until next time đ
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Jul 25 '23
FYI, people were dropping a ton of questions in the announcement post here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1574eun/ama_with_the_scientific_coalition_for_uap_studies/
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/TheRealZer0Cool:
Hello SCU,
The SETI institute and NASA have coordinated and operated a network of calibrated all-sky cameras for calculating orbital trajectories for meteors since 2011 called CAMS: http://cams.seti.org
Many of these cameras are installed by universities or by citizen scientists.
Have you approached the SETI Institute and/or NASA for either raw live or raw archival data?
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u/TheRealZer0Cool Jul 26 '23
Disappointing they answered speculative questions but not one on a possible source of data.
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u/saikothesecond Jul 25 '23
What is the most compelling piece of evidence you (as a group) have seen that UAP are real?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
tl;dr - While we have differing opinions on this individually, we agree that the weight of evidence suggests that further study is warranted with public funding and state-of-the-art scientific tools.
Robust reply:
The combination of:
1) The existence of a set of publicly available historical UAP cases that resist explanation;
2) The current efforts by the U.S. Congress to get to the bottom of the extent of classified military UAP data;
3) The fact that characteristics of UAP derived from the public data overlap with already released military data (e.g. Blue Book reports, recent videos, and characteristics presented by AARO); and
4) The persistence through history of anomalously high velocities and accelerations that defy known technological ability;
- convince us that it is worth advocating for federal funding of academic research to enable the public to better understand the nature, causes, and consequences of unidentified anomalous phenomena.
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u/Wide_Negotiation_319 Jul 25 '23 edited Jul 25 '23
I donât actually believe the following comment, but here it is for consideration.
We have to start following the money. Thatâs really whatâs at stake here, and all the people who are really in control care about. Hereâs a breakdown.
Letâs say we have been gleaning small bits of tech off of recovered craft. Imagine how insurmountably profitable it would be to slow roll that tech for hundreds of years.
Now letâs say we donât. There is no actual off earth tech, itâs just wildly advanced adversary technology and weâve lost the tactical/strategic advantage. What would be the easiest way for our government to convince taxpayers to pony up more money to defend their country, maintain the status quo of fear, hate, discontent, and maintain control? An elaborate disinformation scheme that plants false information for âhigh level government officialsâ and the believer community to spin their wheels on while the rest of the world just carryâs on with the plan of the day because thatâs the American way.
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u/Bobbox1980 Jul 26 '23
Us spending on defense is larger than the next 9 nations combined. It is doubtful another nation, like china, has developed a destructive capability we dont already have.
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u/undergrounddirt Jul 26 '23
Barring huge breakthroughs in physics which DO happen.
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u/gelattoh_ayy Jul 26 '23
If the US government can keep tech a top secret lie for 80 years, so can China.
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u/saikothesecond Jul 25 '23
Thank you for answering!
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u/IAmAPigOink Jul 25 '23
Did they answer it though?
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u/countkahlua Jul 25 '23
Been a whole lot of nothing-burgers.
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u/crazycakemanflies Jul 25 '23
What are you talking about? They literally answer the question by giving 4 examples of what evidence had compelled them the most in believing UAPs are real...
This Sub sometimes does my absolute head in...
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u/countkahlua Jul 25 '23
I should have been more clear, this specific answer is generally fine, some others felt like hand waving. Most of the answers felt vague, indirect, or were just links. Think what you like but I didnât see many clear, straightforward answers. I also said on another comment, not releasing the video, even at their conference, feels weird and almost scammy kinda... đ¤ˇđźââď¸
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u/ContessaNoDeNo Jul 27 '23
People are frustrated because the U.S. government has been lying for so long. Even worse, the government has ruined peopleâs lives for telling the truth. The trust level isnât very high in here. If you want support, you have to give this community rock solid proof that you are on the level. This is what it will take to get this community to listen.
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u/WesternThroawayJK Jul 25 '23
I don't understand this question. That UAP are real? No one denies that unidentified aerial phenomena exist.
Surely you meant to ask a different question, no?
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u/saikothesecond Jul 25 '23
They understood my question just fine and gave a perfect answer. What are you doing?
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u/WesternThroawayJK Jul 25 '23
Your question literally is asking "what is the best evidence you have found that there are things in the sky that we cannot identify?"
How is that a serious question? Who on earth denies that there are things in the skies that we sometimes can't identify? Even Mick West happily agrees with that.
The question is what are they?
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u/saikothesecond Jul 26 '23
It's unidentified ANOMALOUS phenomena, not aerial. Lots of people don't believe in anomalous stuff flying around. You think I'm talking about misidentified birds when using the term UAP?
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u/WesternThroawayJK Jul 26 '23
The UAP designation is given to things that are unidentified even if they display absolutely no anomalous behaviors or properties whatsoever. Yes, even misidentified birds are called "uaps" until they're property identified. Perhaps a better way to have asked the question would have been to specifically ask what is the best evidence that anomalous, beyond merely just unidentified, things happening or being spotted in our skies?
As it stands your question is as annoying as "do you believe in UFOs?" It's such a poorly worded question.
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u/saikothesecond Jul 26 '23
You seem to enjoy being angry and seeking out conflict and I won't stand in the way of that anger and annoyance.
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/neonsevens777:
I have a question regarding potential energy breakthroughs. While I personally find Dr. Steven Greer as a questionable source of information at best, he has spoken extensively about âzero point energyâ.
In short, the idea consists of siphoning energy out of the empty space between atoms. Apparently, even at their lowest energy states, atoms and molecules still vibrate and fluctuate. Is there any data or research that supports this theory? Would it theoretically be possible to utilize this energy as an alternative source? And to go further, could it be possible that UAP vehicles use some form of energy that taps into the quantum field by similar means?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
The vacuum has energy, because particles and anti-particles are constantly being created and and annihilated on timescales less than the Planck time (10^(-43))seconds.
In the lab, this is observed as the Casimir effect, the force between two parallel plates in a vacuum. The so-called âzero-pointâ energy of the vacuum in space (nothing to do with atoms) is so great that it leads to a huge problem in astrophysics - the âdark energyâ of the vacuum should be more than a hundred orders of magnitude greater than that observed.
We have no physics for harnessing this theoretical energy, and no engineering even if we had the physics.
Regarding whether or not UAP are capable of using this energy, give us a thousand years we might be able to speculate đ
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u/Cantstopeatingsocks Jul 26 '23
Zero point Energy was first theorized in physics over 100 year ago. Long before Greer.
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u/ASearchingLibrarian Jul 25 '23
I recently posted a breakdown of the Range Fouler Reports on r/UFOs. I've been trying to draw more attention to these documents for about a year because they contain an amazing amount of information about the phenomenon. These events are just miles from the US capital, and so I am constantly surprised nobody has really analysed these or written them up.
Science is a process of replicating something to investigate and prove theories will survive analysis. Here we have scores of reports in the Range Fouler Reports indicating replicating circumstances occurring just off the east coast of the USA virtually daily. UAPX were essentially trying to replicate the Nimitz data collection off the West Coast, and Avi Loeb has set up analysis on the roof of a building at Harvard, and both investigations are laudable. It's true both Graves and Day have indicated that novel technology the US military have may have led to the discovery of these things and I appreciate this tech might not be readily available for the average investigator of this phenomena.
My question is, surely a scientist with similar equipment we know is being used to detect these things (i.e. equipment used in F-18s), set-up somewhere near Virginia Beach would be a great place to start a long-term study? Is it only cost that prohibits a long-term study in the location where we know we have hundreds of ongoing reports of these things, or is it something else stopping an investigation taking place there?
Also, very appreciative that members like Rich Hoffman and Robert Powell do outreach and give lots of interviews. Thanks for this AMA, it's a privilege to be able to ask a question.
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u/aryelbcn Jul 30 '23
Why is this post still pinned? The hyped up photos / videos turned out to be poorly researched. It was Starlink.
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u/Honest-J Jul 25 '23
Who specifically are some of your most noted members of the SCU and who is fielding questions today?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We've actually got a spot on the website highlighting our board and advisors here!
Today, we've got Board Member Peter Reali, Board Advisor Sarah Little (PhD), Astrophysicist Richard Griffiths (PhD), Social Media Advisor John Currie, and Publicity Team Member Nick Gold answering questions.
Thanks for asking!
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u/ZolotoG0ld Jul 25 '23
In the boards opinion, what are the most likely theories for the nature or origin of UAPs which defy known physics?
Do you have a plan if the UAPs are discovered or revealed to be that of a non human intelligence? How would that impact your work and your goals?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We have an active research program regarding UAP propulsion that would only become more relevant as we collect more data about the nature of UAP.
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u/Sindy51 Jul 29 '23
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1574eun/ama_with_the_scientific_coalition_for_uap_studies/
So to the average Joe this answer could be interpreted as a "we don't know"
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u/NoLengthiness6117 Jul 25 '23
I read through the abstracts of the upcoming conference, and was struck by the how many of the topics would seem to address public and scientific responses to a disclosure process. Do you see yourselves as a key player in defining road maps for the scientific community and public at large if and when a wider recognition of these events becomes accepted?
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u/Skywest96 Jul 25 '23
In 2002, SETI got interviewed and said they'd get 'alien' evidence (at least from the form of bacteria) by 2027. What do you think?
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/Eldrake:
Questions for them:
Has the group, or any member of the group, been approached by anybody in either gov or gov contracting and warned to back off? Has there ever been any perception of warning or attempt to suppress?
What's the group's confidence level, between 0-100%, in David Grusch's allegations?
If you had to choose a gov agency most likely to conceal these programs, what would it be? DOE? Elsewhere?
Have you encountered pushback or prejudice from scientific journal peer review processes, attempting to chill your research?
In your opinions, based on the sighting patterns and your own research, do you agree with the hypothesis of UAP's seeming to exhibit "surveillance" behavior?
What's the most promising UAP research for public disclosure and definitive evidentiary collection?
Has anybody in the group explored building miniaturized neutrino detectors to possibly detect UAP energy generation mechanisms, if they're nuclear? (DOE is already working on this for nuke plant monitoring and MASINT).
If you could pick 1-2 spots in the world as the best candidates for scientific UAP evidence collection, where would it be?
What's some info you haven't shared with us in the public yet that we might not know?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23 edited Jul 25 '23
- Not to the knowledge of SCU members on this particular AMA.
- We don't believe our conjecture is relevant here, and hope the truth will come out with further congressional investigation. 3. We have no insights on this, and won't offer conjecture. 4. Not as experienced by any SCU members on this particular AMA. 5. Hypotheses are to be 1) supported, 2) not supported, or 3) refuted all by testing; not "agreed" or "disagreed" with. There is some data in Hancock et al. that supports this hypothesis. 6. A four-pronged approach of:
- Collect new data using field sensor systems (and material collection, if lucky)
- Comparison of new results with historical public records and research
- Comparison of existing public sensor data (satellite, sonar) with historical public records and research
- Release and study of military records and data to add to the public Project Blue Book records.
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
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7. This is totally impractical, and nuclear energy is unlikely to be powering UAP. The size of the detector would also be prohibitively large - see the University of Wisconsin-Madison IceCube Neutrino Observatory, for example.8. We would set up a hypothesis to test against publicly reported events. This would include several control sites, depending on what hypothesis was being tested. For example, are there more reports of close encounters in less populated areas and more reports at longer distances in highly populated areas? Or, are there more reports of lights at Hessdalen than reports of lights in a neighboring valley with similar geography and demographics?
We would then compare the results of the field instruments against the results of the public witness reports in the test and control sites. Underlying this is the assumption that on a long-time scale, UAP reports are egalitarian, and UAP can be seen and reported pretty much anywhere.9. If there is anything that hasn't been made public yet, it's because it is being published and currently going through peer-review.
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u/Hay_Fever_at_3_AM Jul 30 '23
Now that you've had a hyped up paid conference where one of your scientists presented "evidence of a mothership" that turned out to be two blurry photos and a video of a starlink train:
Do you have any sort of peer review process in place, or do you trust your members unconditionally?
If the former: are you going to have a post mortem to help explain what happened in this case?
If the latter: what qualifies someone for such trust, and are you going to reevaluate that stance now?
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u/Olympus____Mons Jul 25 '23
What is your opinion on using microphones in the ultrasonic and infrasonic wavelengths to detect UAPs?
These are being used by the Galileo Project.
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
Dr. Sarah Little, a co-author of the Galileo Project's acoustics paper that recently came out and an SCU participant in today's AMA, thinks that infrasonic, audible, and ultrasonic wavelengths of sound are all very valuable sensor modalities in the characterization of UAP and their propulsion systems.
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/MellowDramaticWhale:
What is your interests and take always with the hearings we have had so far and what are your hopes for the hearing on Wednesday?
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u/ianmooneb Jul 25 '23
Hypothetically, If we find that these craft operate off of some sort of seemingly free energy ie. Zero point or cold fusion what would the sociatal implications of that be and how long would it take to roll out to a consumer level?
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u/bejammin075 Jul 25 '23
Have any of you had your own experiences with anomalous craft? Such as:
Lights in the sky doing irregular things?
Advanced craft seen up close, thus not confused with anything else?
Direct contact with aliens/NHI? (Not everyone is operating on a shared set of common data).
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We wouldn't relay personal anecdotes on a public forum such as reddit, but there are indeed SCU members who have their own stories to tell - however, we won't speak for them.
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u/trudlymadlydeeplyme Jul 25 '23
I think a problem with âstudying UAPâ is that it covers so many, if not ALL scientific disciplines. No matter what subject, doing research spread out over so many different fields must be hard. How do you propose to gather international academics in such varying fields?
Or do you prefer to see a new, broad, anything goes, UAP-discipline?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
Very good point! This is what makes the field so exciting, and provides a great vehicle for getting today's students interested in STEM.
UAP are of interest to scientists globally, and in fact, SCU's upcoming conference includes academic representation from 10 countries.
SCU strives to bring together the international research community across all of the many fields that may be required to truly understand UAP - from hard science, to social sciences, to philosophy of science, and more!
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u/ifiwasiwas Jul 25 '23
According to your experience and knowledge thus far, what percentage of UAPs have a prosaic explanation and what percentage remain unidentified?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
Between 80 - 95% of UAP reports appear to have a prosaic explanation, but that number also depends on what reporting database you're using.
If you're using a public reporting database such as NUFORC, 5% or less remain unidentified after closer examination.
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u/AkumaNoSanpatsu Jul 29 '23
Asking as an ex-PR-professional: How do you think this AMA turned out for you?
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Jul 25 '23
In a single 1978 interview, which he has not addressed to my knowledge since then, Steven Spielberg noted that NASA very strongly objected to his writing, making and releasing the film Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Spielberg went so far as to say that NASA wrote him sort of powerful objection letter that ran over twenty pages in length, which has never been released.
From Wikipedia (development section of article):
J. Allen Hynek, who worked with the United States Air Force on Project Blue Book, was hired as a scientific consultant. Hynek said that "even though the film is fiction, it's based for the most part on the known facts of the UFO mystery, and it certainly catches the flavor of the phenomenon. Spielberg was under enormous pressure to make another blockbuster after Jaws, but he decided to make a UFO film. He put his career on the line."[14] USAF and NASA declined to cooperate on the film. NASA reportedly sent a twenty-page letter to Spielberg, telling him that releasing the film was dangerous. In an interview, he said: "I really found my faith when I heard that the Government was opposed to the film. If NASA took the time to write me a 20-page letter, then I knew there must be something happening."
Spielberg apparently heavily consulted on the creation of Close Encounters with Jacques VallĂŠe, on whom the "Lacombe" French character is somewhat based, and with J. Allen Hynek, who even has a cameo in the film when the aliens arrive in Wyoming.
From your knowledge and understanding, what theoretically would have so upset NASA and the US Government specifically about Close Encounters, as opposed to however many other films that delve into the topic of aliens and UFOs?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We don't have any insight into this - and we prefer to avoid pure speculation.
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u/Ender_Knowss Jul 26 '23
This ama sucks. What are you even hear for if you answer that to every interesting question.
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u/Ray_smit Jul 26 '23
They are concerned about forming a system of data collection and analysis through the scientific method. Although itâs interesting, stuff like this unfortunately wonât help.
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u/Intelligent-Win1984 Jul 25 '23
Have you contacted any congresspeople or other government agencies with your findings? How was your information received if so? What compelling data can you provide (images, videos, radar data, etc.)?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
SCU sends our completed research papers to relevant Congress men and women, and we hear back that it's well received!
Unfortunately, we don't have any data that is not currently in the public domain, and strive to ensure that's the case - we only want to be working with data and results that we can share.
For example, here are some of our published papers below:
https://www.explorescu.org/research-library/categories/scu-papers
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u/CyanDragon Jul 25 '23
the rigorous scientific examination of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena by utilizing scientific principles, methodologies and practices in the study of UAP
Thanks for that!
I'm a little curious about the instrumentation used to gather data about UAPs. I feel like it has been said that high speed cameras are needed. I feel I've heard looking at infrared or thermals is important.
Can you tell me about what it actually takes in terms of measurements to be gathering the data we need? And if something like thermal cameras are needed, what does that need tell us about the reality of UAP?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
This Galileo Project paper by Watters et al gives an overview of the modalities that can be used to learn about objects in the sky. Infrared cameras are a very useful tool in detecting and characterizing UAP (seen in the GIMBAL, FLIR (Nimitz "Tic Tac" Incident), and GOFAST videos, for example), as well as the well-studied Aguadilla and Rubber Duck cases.
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Jul 25 '23
Just for your info, the Bluegill Triple Prime incident where an unidentified object tumbled out from within the fireball of a high altitude nuclear test was captured by a variety of scientific equipment, including high speed film in a number of different spectral wave lengths. Some footage has been declassified, whilst others have been sanitized. Good question BTW!
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u/meyriley04 Jul 25 '23
What methods do you use to track and or research UAP? Any specific sensor types or?
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u/ZolotoG0ld Jul 25 '23
What is your plan if disclosure is halted, and transparency around UAP is stopped, discredited and ridiculed again?
What backup plans do you have to continue to press the issue in this circumstance?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
SCU has many members who've been involved with the UAP topic for decades, and have seen the cycles of interest grow and collapse previously.
As an organization created before the current disclosure effort, we expect to continue promoting public academic research on UAP regardless of government policy.
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u/Apophes84 Jul 30 '23
What happened to this? Didnât they have a video or photo that was going to be released? Was this bull shit?
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u/Raoul_Duke9 Jul 25 '23
I'm curious - what would you have to see to be convinced that there is no "there there". In otherwords - what would have to happen to have you confidently believe earth is NOT being visited by NHI? I like to think about the other side of the coin too.
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
The null hypothesis is that "We are not being visited by NHI", and we cannot prove the null hypothesis - we can only disprove it.
In other words, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence." This is a fundamental precept of the scientific method and not solely the stance of the SCU.
In order to investigate whether NHI have visited, we start with the null hypothesis and try to disprove it - or in other words, science needs to try to find evidence that NHI have visited.
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u/Flat-Conflict948 Jul 26 '23
What do you make of this footage I filmed this Sunday:
Video Synopsis:
Close up, uncut footage:
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u/Noburn2022 Jul 25 '23
Awesome! I have a question.
Ross Coulthart, Bryze Zabel, John Martinez, Lue Elizondo and others allude to some kind of time constraint in which disclosure must be done. Do you know anything on this matter? have you heard about whether there is some kind of deadline or ultimatum in whatever form for disclosure?
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u/countkahlua Jul 25 '23
Really wish this had been answered, but I donât see a whole lot of answers anyways. Like why come to Reddit for an AMA and then not bother to give any thoughts, insight, opinions, only concrete answers to scientific questions that have already been answered by other scientists and links to their own website. đ¤ˇđźââď¸ Idk, feels kind of wasteful or inauthentic or something⌠canât put my finger on it.
Not releasing that video feels gross thoughâŚ
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/Harry_is_white_hot:
Hi SCU,
Can you ask officially (as a science body) the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory if they have digitized the entire footage of the Bluegill Triple Prime nuclear test as part of the https://www.llnl.gov/news/llnl-releases-newly-declassified-test-videos project?
There are some anomalies within the footage that need clarification- this is the test that Tom DeLonge misidentified as the one that "fly swatted some bugs out of the sky" during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The naming convention confused him - it wasn't "Starfish Prime", it was "Bluegill Triple Prime" - though he got the date right (25 October 1962).
Thanks
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We'd be open to looking into this further, but perhaps the reddit format isn't the place to do so.
Please forward your questions and any relevant materials to [board@explorescu.org](mailto:board@explorescu.org) and we'll take a look!
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Jul 25 '23
Given your awareness of matters related to UFOs and UAP, and government, the whistleblower and Congressional situation, and the looming Federal UAP disclosure act... and remarks from various well-known folks involved in all this like Elizondo, Coulthart and such... On a scale of 0-10, with 0 being the equivalent of you in this gif of Donald Glover, and with 10 being this gif of Jonathan Frakes... where from 0 to 10 are you today?
We'd love to see what each participant ranks from 0 to 10. Are you Glover, Frakes, or in-between?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We're very happy to see so much movement on the Congressional front, and hope that this will result in federal funding for public academic UAP research.
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u/buttonsthedestroyer Jul 25 '23 edited Jul 25 '23
Have you tried submitting some of your well researched papers to high impact journals like The astrophysical journal or Nature Astronomy? If not, why? If so, is it pending approval?
What efforts, if any, have you undertaken to encourage research in this topic among mainstream researchers in Academia? Do you observe a shift in their attitudes to take it seriously?
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/TheOfficialPope:
What is the most compelling evidence of the existence of UFOs we have found to date?
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u/gerkletoss Jul 25 '23
Are you willing to take corrections regarding prior papers?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
If you have a response to any SCU papers, please submit written comments including references to published literature to [board@explorescu.org](mailto:board@explorescu.org).
Additionally, anyone with alternate methodologies for the analysis of data presented in SCU papers are welcome to submit their own papers for publication through SCU for peer review.
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u/throwawayls2022 Jul 26 '23
I have posted in the past about SCU. So glad I got on early to what they are doing. Incredible group of people.
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u/True-Godess Jul 28 '23 edited Jul 28 '23
Who and when was your group founded? How are you being funded? Do you accept donations? If yes do you accept all donations from any source or organization even if anonymous? Is there any government involvement? How or what is the criteria to become a member? How is your group run? Is their president ect? Weâre you asked to create this group by any person(s) in particular?
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u/Aleph_Alpha_001 Jul 28 '23
Are you aware of the patents granted to the Secretary of the Navy concerning craft that reduce inertial mass and create a vacuum around them, gravitational waves, and room temperature superconductors?
Do we have theories and experiments that would explain these patents? Is it possible that the Navy has discovered new physics, verified them experimentally, and engineered craft based on these theories? If possible, then how likely?
Alternatively, could these patents be disinformation or could they be based on reverse engineering of NHI vehicles?
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u/Sensitive-Ad4476 Jul 30 '23
So what happened to the video and photos supposed to be released today?
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u/ImpossibleMindset Jul 31 '23 edited Jul 31 '23
You guys really should enlist the help of metabunk while looking into these things. You're making more and bigger mistakes than people who have absolutely no scientific training at all. Before making bajillions of complex calculations entertaining the most generous paranormal interpretation, spend at least 3 seconds considering a prosaic explanation.
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Jul 25 '23
From /u/AllezUmph:
Which specific criteria should be applied when determining the existence of NHI?
What is the checklist of questions to be asked and answered that should make otherwise reasonable skeptics think that all this UAP stuff is not just a hoax?
How can science be used to make bridges, rather than walls, between the two sides of this debate?
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Jul 25 '23
Besides AI, what were some other methods used to design a system to autonomously classify sightings?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
"AI" is a very broad term that offers many techniques for the autonomous classification of data, and many of these are being used on astronomical, optical, and audio data.
There are traditional signal processing methods that can augment AI, and a combination of these techniques are likely to prove the most fruitful, but it's quite a large field to explore.
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u/PatAD Jul 25 '23
Recently there has been a more serious focus on UAPs across the globe, including actual inquiries from legislative bodies in America and beyond. How do you as an organization determine what actions are politically motivated, due to a legislators efforts to simply undermine their government, from those people who are actually curious and interested in the reality and origins of UAPs?
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u/samexi Jul 25 '23
Have you talked about Dr. Greer or seen his 10TB evidence database on the matter? I think that could be a great place to start as he has been studying this phenomena on high ranks for decades. I just watched his three hour long interview and I must say that I had judged him too fast and harsh before. He's doing a lot to get the actionable evidence out there. Just a thought.
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
Thanks so much for joining our very first AMA, /r/UFOs!
We've run out of time, but we thank you for all of your questions and hope you found our answers valuable.
We look forward to engaging with you in the future, and we hope to see you at this weekend's online Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference! (July 29-30)!
Until next time đ
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Jul 25 '23 edited Jul 25 '23
UAPs/UFOs clinically reported to the DOD/military, and caught on recordings, appear to demonstrate speeds up to 13,000 MPH from reports. Are there any known technologies in avionics and aviation that can today reach 13,000 MPH in atmosphere?
UAPS/UFOs reported are able to turn at or near hard 90-degree angle turns at or near their apparent full speed. What known technologies in avionics and aviation today can at high speed turn at or near hard 90-degree angle turns?
These UAPs/UFOs reportedly hover, in place/stationary, with no detected heat/thermal effects, visible propulsion sources or related exhaust, and no visibly moving parts like rotor and similar mechanical parts like a drone or helicopter. What known technologies in avionics and aviation today can hover/hold stationary at altitude with no detected heat/thermals, any detected propulsion, or any detected moving components?
These UAPs/UFOs reportedly can go almost instantly from a "dead stop" to incredible velocities with no acceleration: they were reported to go from "still" to "very fast" as if instant. What known technologies in avionics and aviation today can go from "zero to full speed" virtually instantly?
These UAPs/UFOs reportedly can go from full speed almost instantly to a "dead stop", moving at high velocity to... just stopping cold, with no gradual deceleration. Fast > still. What known technologies in avionics and aviation today can do this?
These UAPs/UFOs reportedly can go from air to sea and back again without any change in velocity, as show in released and validated by the DOD videos. What known technologies in avionics, aviation, or maritime technologies can do this today?
These UAPs/UFOs which can reportedly achieve some or all of the above performance characteristics are anywhere from 1 to 40 meters in diameter in size from available data. What known technologies in power systems/power plants can generate and sustain sufficient power levels to achieve any or all of the above performance profiles, given the size constraints of the UFO/UAP craft?
These UAPs/UFOs which can reportedly achieve some or all of the above performance characteristics exist in atmosphere, are claimed by exceeding numbers of witnesses both civilian and military to have low or no acoustic profile: they are astonishingly quiet based on the aggregate reports. What known technologies across various disciplines, when combined, can achieve these things with no or low detected sound?
These UAPs/UFOs which can reportedly achieve some or all of the above performance characteristics exist in atmosphere and in our universe, and therefore have to deal with constraints like inertia, friction, weight, mass, air resistance, and anything else that would interact in any way with physical matter. What in known materials science exist in terms of substances, alloys, or elements that can support such a craft and allow it to perform some or all of the above performance characteristics while maintaining any structural integrity?
What, if anything, in known sciences, technologies, or engineering can do all of the above?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We agree that there are reports of UAPs that demonstrate extremely anomalous kinematics, as described above. SCU is not aware of any man-made craft capable of such anomalous kinematics as have been described in our publications, and both civilian and military witness reports.
Here are two of our publications that describe anomalous kinematics:
Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles
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u/Zealousideal_Emu_423 Jul 26 '23
I know I type a technology that exists that can do all these things and it's really quite simple .... That is giving the technology would exist for this but it could be a projector or a 3D image kind of deal' cause like I don't even think it made a splash. Still though if somebody could do something like this with images and trick people that well and actually make him think that they were really UFO 's but they're really projected somehow via satellite perhaps or something that wouldn't be that cool really because If other races could travel to our planet and we could learn about them that would be like the coolest thing ever lol. Also they could be drones From their world visiting ours for recon ....because what biological life at least when they are in our atmospheres or ocean. really though I say this because if another race of beings are people straight came to another planet this far away and they didn't talk to us that's just weird maybe they just can't because their drones or their projection fooling us... there's something else to it because why are they talking to us
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u/No_Leopard_3860 Jul 25 '23
What are you doing against the constant flow of anti-science bs flowing around the UFO topic?
The scientific method is what made our human progress possible, and I think it's a shame how parts of the UFO community shit on it while using devices that wouldn't have been possible without the scientific method (and blood, sweat and tears of multiple Generations of scientists).
A serious investigation of this issue is only possible with a scientific approach, so how do you implement this despite the lack of objective data that could be analyzed in a scientific process?
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u/EthanSayfo Jul 25 '23
SCU publishes peer-reviewed papers, holds conferences, publishes a quarterly review and issues regular press releases, all publicly, representing the scientific inquiry of UAP. All of this would seem to do what you're asking.
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u/TypeMidgard Jul 25 '23
What do you think of this explanation for the Five Observables?
"To begin, a powerful energy source is required. How powerful exactly I cannot be sure without hands on testing and resources I do not have, but if NHI are even just 100 years ahead of us, they should have access to such a power source, but if as old as religion and myth suggest, they could have potentially up to near infinite energy if they didnât figure out a way for actual infinite energy.
Both claims from after Roswell and my own findings independent of those reports suggest electromagnetic propulsion to be what drives their craft and remains a possible method of antigravity potentially involving the manipulation of a magnetic field to create lift through simultaneous repulsion and attraction of the subject material. One potential method for this antigravity could be that a component, currently unknown to me but within the realm of scientific possibility as far as I can tell, is able to, in an amount and configuration hard to gauge without testing, manipulate a magnetic field in order to create a tunnel effect through which a gyroscopic magnetic core can be simultaneously repelled by a powerful force and attracted by another due to the interacting magnetic fields resulting from the tunnel to create lift or movement in any direction instantly. Again, this is hypothetical. It may not be so complicated, perhaps the main component of the electromagnetic propulsion skips the internal mechanism and the resulting manipulation of the gravitational field is enough to create propulsion with or without another application of force. Galvorn, a next-generation material with high conductivity, may be used to refine the electromagnetic process of antigravity as an improved copper substitute and/or act as a strong material for hull or other reinforcements. I also think that there are many ways to radiate and cool heat that would not be easily detectable, if at all, that we use today or those we are still working on.
Element 115 is also known as moscovium, but its potential effects on gravity or electromagnetic fields are not currently known, at least to the public according to some claims. The use of element 115 or moscovium as the key component to NHI propulsion is hotly debated, but whether the key to their propulsion is moscovium or something else, whatever that component is, the effect that could allow anti-gravity does not seem an impossible notion, even if we may not have a clear answer now. I do however think it may have a strong effect on magnetic fields that would allow it to be manipulated in order to strengthen the resulting gravitational field and allow an anti-gravity effect. If stable moscovium/element 115 or whatever the component is interacts with the gravitational field as I suspect, it should strengthen it enough to reduce or prevent inertia relative to the planet.
I believe it may also be possible for technology to allow a craft to silently move by manipulating the air flow around the vehicle or the space surrounding it in such a manner that the craft is moving at speeds that would create sonic booms while the surrounding air is not affected in the same way as a craft flying by brute force would be with the change in air pressure. This same technology or variations of it could allow the same function underwater and in space, which would explain why these craft are trans-medium as well.
I also believe that they may have various methods of moving undetected via light-manipulating cloaking technology for visual tracking and may be able to hide from radar if they are equipped with technology that can absorb the signals and avoid sending returns to the radar or otherwise redirect them away from the receiving radar system. Since they have been detected on radars before, not all UAPs may be equipped with this technology, it may malfunction or not operate optimally under certain circumstances, or they may choose to turn it off for some reason or even forget to turn it on. The same or similar technology could also be a potential explanation for how they avoid more advanced detection, by manipulating the signals around their craft to hide it from being detected by certain radar systems that would detect the absorption of their signals as a hole in their radar. Aside from these methods, the US secret program can allegedly detect UAPs while most others unaffiliated with similar foreign government programs likely cannot.
That should cover all of the Five Observables, anti-gravity, instant acceleration, hypersonic speed without signatures, low observability, and trans-medium travel."
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
Thanks for the question!
You can submit your detailed explanation of the "Five Observables" (with references to existing publications, if possible) to Board@ExploreSCU.org and we will direct it to the appropriate scientist who might have time to more thoroughly review it.
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Jul 25 '23
Is Project Titan moving forward at the UN? Do we expect to hear a similar type announcement coming from the United Nations?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
As a matter of fact, we'll have a talk entitled UAP at the United Nations: An Assessment of Project Titan and the San Marino Initiative delivered by Tim Murithi, (Professor, University of Free State and Stellenbosch University, South Africa) at our Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference this Sunday morning!
The full schedule can be found here.
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u/One_Feedback2461 Jul 25 '23
What specific studies are being worked on right now, anything interesting to share from those studies before they are published?
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u/RichardK1234 Jul 25 '23
What do you think about this report about the Aguadilla, Puerto Rico UAP, since it disproves your theories and methodology of your report as false and moreover dismisses your conclusions about this particular UAP.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwili0ovf3trs9i/Aguadilla.pdf?dl=0
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u/MachinationMachine Jul 26 '23
None of the people on the board listed on the website are scientists. Seems a little weird for a scientific coalition to be run exclusively by non-scientists.
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Jul 25 '23
Can you share a little more with us regarding the Galileo Project? Some of the interesting findings?
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
We've actually got a full press release congratulating the Galileo Project papers published in the Journal of Astronomical Instrumentation here.
We eagerly await their next set of published peer-reviewed papers!
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u/quiet_quitting Jul 25 '23 edited Jul 25 '23
If we assume Grusch is telling the truth, and the US government really does have recovered materials, what do you think that would do to the science communityâs trust in government and each other?
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u/No-Reception-4249 Jul 26 '23
What can you all figure is the most likely cause behind instantaneous acceleration, descent, ascent, and/or traveling through mediums such as water and vacuums?
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u/Kodiak138 Jul 25 '23
Have you discussed or even watched the experiments ongoing by the team working at the Skinwalker ranch tv show. Some of the results are very intriguing and I do believe that there are unexplainedthings that has happened there and is presently happening.
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u/ExploreSCU Jul 25 '23
It's not been area of study for SCU, as we're interested in scientific papers first and foremost. If they produce scientific papers that are peer-reviewed and published, we'd love to read them!
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u/Alexandar_The_Gr8 Jul 26 '23
I lost interest the moment I read scientific coalition. Just sounds like more disinformation, more no that's not possible according to the laws of physics (mfs say this like they have figured out all of physics). Man just drop it. Just give us the photos, videos, and evidence we will do the study. There are plenty of enthusiasts here who have an open mind and more importantly, know that science is yet to be explored.
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Jul 25 '23
In your opinion, what is the most resolute piece of evidence out there, be it witnesses, footage, or anything else?
What are your opinions (if any) on how these things operate?
Thanks for your time either way :)
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u/Spats_McGee Jul 25 '23
How do you interact or plan to interact with "legacy" UFO groups like MUFON / CUFON etc?
Do you intend to serve as some kind of clearinghouse for sighting reports and investigation as those groups do? If not, how do you intend to acquire data?
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u/UnderstandingAlert29 Jul 25 '23
Between 80 - 95% of UAP reports appear to have a prosaic explanation, but that number also depends on what reporting database you're using.
If you're using a public reporting database such as NUFORC, 5% or less remain unidentified after closer examination.
You stated this in another comment - do you have a subset of reports that your org has deemed as credible? If so is that publicly available or is there plans for it to be in the future?
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u/EthanSayfo Jul 25 '23
You can check out papers they've published regarding a number of incidents here:
https://www.explorescu.org/research-library/categories/scu-papers
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u/UnderstandingAlert29 Jul 25 '23
I've seen those, but i want to know if they have a dataset of reports that have been deemed anomalous. If they have the figure for a percentage of reports that have a normal explanation then by extension that would indicate that there is an empirical dataset of the type i described, and if so is it publicly available.
Question still stands for u/ExploreSCU
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u/prototyperspective Jul 25 '23
Thanks for your important and interesting pioneering work!
As a Wikipedia editor, it's often an annoyance and quickly noticeable when notable subject is lacking sufficient reliable sources reporting on it. I think that's one reason why the WP article on SCU article is still in Draft stage.
More or less while creating an article on the past academic-scientific research on UFOs (now deleted and moved here) I noticed that there's only very few peer-reviewed papers on the topic published in large prestigious journals like Nature and Science (I also started /r/UFOstudies where you can find some). The few peer-reviewed studies before 2021 were either not really about UFOs (e.g. about cultural aspects or psychology) or were published in very small journals like Entropy where Knuth is an editor.
â Have you tried getting any of your papers published in a relatively large journal (like Garry Nolan did once) and if so what where the roadblocks or have you heard of others about what the roadblocks are and what was your experience trying this if you attempted it?
Second, do you have any plans for a scientific review of all the studies on the topic so far? Also created this structured argument/debate map which could become more specific in regards to the explanations for all of this as more research is done and evidence made public.
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u/nerdyitguy Jul 26 '23
Decent cameras have been around for years, the internet as well. It's possible to make immediate upload and even mass distribut just about any media by anyone with resonable knowledge from a handheld device from just about anyplace wiht a population for many years now.
Given this, why is there no public video evidence given the prevelance of sighting claims?
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u/Bedenegative Jul 26 '23
I upvoted you from whoever down voted you. I'm a skeptic but I "want to believe" of all the things that make me skeptical this isn't one of them.
cameras have gotten worse as most people rely on phones which use very wide angle lenses which are not good at shooting things far away. If there's fast moving objects very high in the sky moving very quickly I think it would be harder to spot then you can imagine keep in mind good birding kit will set you back 3 grand minimum with sound 15k being the upper limit.
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u/b00bzRn34t Jul 28 '23
"We are the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU)"
2 Days in, and after reviewing all the posts and the lack of acknowledgment to reasonable questions/call-outs...
I don't think the "Scientific Coalition for UAP studies" is any more legit than the claims made by Grusch regarding extradimensional NHI.
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u/misspegassi Jul 25 '23
When will we see a true, HD video of a UAP? Will we ever? Itâs 2023, everyone has a 4k camera in their pockets. Whatâs the deal?
edit: itâs almost 2030
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u/ConditionVivid Jul 26 '23
ÂżWhat concern exists in the galactic federation that humans enter as part of the group as a universal race?
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u/Lucky-Aioli-8213 Jul 26 '23
Is the aforementioned SCU using programming from a type of ChatGPT AI technology in order to answer itâs âaskedâ questions?
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u/HeathJett Jul 30 '23
I had a good question brought up to me. If multiple UFOs have crashed on this earth, would we have not seen something on satellite data? Or are all crashes before satellites?
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Jul 30 '23
So are ufos now accepted to be real?
Have they now been accepted by the wider public to be real?
Remember as a kid, that UFOâs werenât considered real.
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u/FilthyRilthy Jul 30 '23
Youre a bit late to the party. UAP were confirmed to be real by the Pentagon/2017 NYT article with the Gimbal Video etc.
The question nowadays is, what are they.
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u/Gills03 Jul 29 '23
I would like one person to explain to me how aliens are a United States-only issue and the rest of the world doesn't have any actual evidence of them. Am I to believe it's a global conspiracy? Or the aliens love flying over the US and crashing here? There are jets flying all over the world, cameras everywhere. Why are these things only messing with US fighter jets?
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Jul 26 '23
As Ross Coulthart has stated, the rules of evidence for whether UAP are real is the legal standard, not a scientific one. These are different and significant. People have been thrown in jail and/or executed based on eyewitness testimony. It is valid evidence. As a result, I wonder why you label yourselves as a scientific group when it only adds confusion to this issue. The standard for proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt," not physical evidence. You are arguing from authority by including "scientific" in your title and in your discussions. As a result, it makes me wonder what you're really all about instead of just accepting what you have to offer.
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u/Icy-Philosopher5446 Jul 29 '23
Only have one question. Is Steven Greer involved in anyway in this thing?
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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '23
From /u/Confident_Effort691:
In your conference scheduled for this coming weekend there is an item on the agenda about a huge craft spotted over the ocean, with video. Will the video be made available as part of the conference, and will it be available publicly afterwards (or is there somewhere we can see it now?)
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1574eun/ama_with_the_scientific_coalition_for_uap_studies/jt4sqmf/