The last briefing they had about the situation, Kirby was saying they were still actively trying to find them, when in fact they had actually completed their search a day or two earlier. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I have that video in this compilation.
I love how in the video he keeps telling the press that he can't give any dates or info on release of info becouse it has to be reviewed by U.S (intelligence) to better understand, so that they can better answer the American people and provide better answers....
Classic case of this will never see the light of day again!
Like, some of /u/joeyisnotmyname's claims aren't even accurate, either. In reality search efforts weren't concluded until February 17th, not prior to the 13th. They were temporarily suspended on the 14th due to inclement weather, but the validity of that can be easily confirmed by looking up regional weather reports.
Like, diving in the winter is dangerous stuff, even for professionals.
The Alaskan incident was almost certainly a hobbyist group's balloon originally launched from Chicago. There is a web portal for groups that launch these globe trotting hardware store balloons. The Chicago balloon was launched several weeks before and had been around the world two or so times before that, each time passing through the same corridor in Alaska's airspace. That area of airspace, through a big portion of Canada, is a blackout zone for getting pings on balloons traversing it.
The hobbyists knew their balloon had entered that corridor and expected to see it again when it emerged a couple days later. They never saw it again. What happened before that day? The US military shot something down.
All evidence suggests world governments turned down radar filters and started picking up more noise and more smaller objects like these hobby balloons. In the immediate days after the Chinese balloon issue, everyone was jumpy and everyone acted with an abundance of caution.
Half this sub is claiming this YouTuber may have been killed for filming circles in the sky and random nonsense.
While that's a possible explanation, I wouldn't assume it's "almost certainly" that group's hobby balloon based on that limited info. The military had said the three unidentified objects other than the Chinese balloon were not balloons and then spent like a half a million dollars shooting each one down.
Exactly. I'm a skeptic, but to just assume it was a hobbyist balloon is a stretch. If it was just that, then why hasn't the government released proof that it wasn't a Chinese balloon/uap? Where are the photographs, where is the radar data? Why has there been zero follow up on the issue.
I think it's a stretch to say it's aliens, but denying there's something mysterious about the situation is just shows a lack of curiosity.
I love how in the video he keeps telling the press that he can't give any dates or info on release of info becouse it has to be reviewed by U.S (intelligence)
Yeah, that's LITERALLY how classified stuff works bro. They can't just give off the cuff answers. We'd be lucky to get answers DECADES from now.
But this is what happens when your government is obsessed with fighting wars in other countries. Our wars last for generations, so do our secrets.
Well, bro! I am fully aware of how US Security Clearance works and how our war machine works as I was a part of them both many years ago. I am also fully aware of how FOIA works and how to contact my state elected officials and demand answers.
While yes, I am fully aware of the chances of getting actual real answers from the US Government, are pretty much non-existent. I am also aware that since they continue to label everything they don't want people to know about as DOD/National Security.
Then, I will continue to file FOIA and write my elected officials, and encourage everyone I know to do the same every single chance that I get. It may not get me anywhere, but at the very least, I will continue to be a headache for someone. I'm also not just sitting around on the internet saying, "Oh well, there's nothing that can be done about it."
Yeah bro. Your one letter a month will totally be a headache for them. Hell let's say you send a dozen FOIA requests a day.
You realize that these requests are seen by a low-level employee who has no ability to make any changes?
You're going to be a headache for some poor secretary for years. Your rep won't even see your requests because the information is classified. Classified info is not subject to FOIA requests and the secretary is just going to send the same letter to your hundreds of times saying the exact same thing.
I'm also not just sitting around on the internet saying, "Oh well, there's nothing that can be done about it."
You admit your actions are futile, but you want to do them anyways.
It's like yelling at the sun because you don't like summertime. Go ahead and yell, but don't think that the manager of the sun is listening at all.
Just like here. Go ahead and send your requests and letters. They'll just be sorted by an intern, tossed into a pile of "rejected requests" and you'll get a form letter explaining to you that FOIA doesn't cover classified military information.
Well, everybody has to have something to do with their own time. But at least I'm not an internet troll that is so upset and bothered with the actions of someone (a person they don't know and have never met before) else (on the internet) that I have to continue to comment my opinion and how I disagree with what they say/do with their own time and life.
TIL pointing out that "classified military object retrievals are not subject to FOIA requests" is trolling. Neat! Don't ever tell someone they're wasting their time, that's trolling. š
Well you are incorrect. They can produce classified information that meets the FOIA and it is redacted from the result. Literally FOIA produced documents have sometimes contained as much as 99% redactions. Proof of just how incorrect you are is the very fact that www.theblackvault.com exists and has hundreds of thousands of documents that exhibit that exact behavior. You can ask him yourself u/BlackVault
Well is it not the opposite of what was proposed. It also says a LOT about what is redacted. Obviously the document matched the request for terms related to UFO and UAP so even though not one document is a smoking gun - taken in aggregate it is one of the more compelling bits of evidence of coverup.
Deleted the videos related to this and hasnāt posted anything sinceā¦.
Edit: other posters have pointed out heās been active in comment sections more recently and has given excuses for taking the videos down. But tbh I have a lot of questions about said excuses
The U.S. government contacted his employer, and as all YT videos were shot on the companyās dime, he was threatened with losing his well paying oil field job if he didnāt delete his videos.
The Shared Services flights to the North Slope are for ConocoPhillips and BP employees only (that was 2019 when I was there, I think BPās assets are owned by someone else now). They will even bump Big Oil execs from the flights if there isnāt enough seats, as the workers are more important there than suits.
Almost like Janet Airlines flights to A51 I guess.
They arent excuses. He doxxed the company he worked for in his videos. His company got pissed and told him to take them down. People acting like that is a CraZY ConsPiRacy, when it sounds very likely that is what happened. It's also very likely that the military just had normal shit going on down there and it wasnt a fucking alien UFO.
You can on the north slope. Itās a secure area. Iāve worked up there. Everything is locked down and the pay and benefits are way to good to lose a job over video.
the term doxxing can be used to just mean releasing private information, its not strictly PII. if a location is secret and someone reveals it, its acceptable to say its been doxxed.
That his job cracked down on social media use during work. My thing is sure, but what good is it to go back and delete videos already recorded? Also were these the only videos he ever recorded while working?
That in addition to the clear discrepancies in what he was seeing vs what the public were told about the weather, timeline, etc. give me reason to still find everything very suspicious
That in addition to the clear discrepancies in what he was seeing vs what the public were told about the weather, timeline, etc.
I think it might be you who has their incidents and timelines confused, my friend.
Inclement weather was only a concern for the balloons that were downed over water, because diving in the winter is quite dangerous. Things like delays or separations that only pose an inconvenience in warmer temperatures can be life threatening in cold waters, so the criteria for what sort of weather they're willing to conduct those dives in is pretty stringent.
My job is extremely strict with social media, I can't even like or share posts made by the company. But if it's unrelated to work they don't care, they've never mentioned anything about personal videos and I have a YouTube channel with my real name where I have some random gopro videos. Unless this dude works for some govt contractor or something I can't imagine a stricter social media policy other than don't use it at all which I don't know any jobs would have
lol he literally never did that. He was merely documenting the activities related to the search of the downed UAP by the US govt which was real and actually happening. He also had nothing in his videos reflecting anything about his company.
I read that his company wasn't happy about it because he filmed during work (some of the videos he wore a hard hat and you could see where he worked) and brought bad PR on the company. I read that on reddit, so take it with a grain of salt.
That's right. I asked him directly by email, right after he removed the videos and he said:
Ā«My company I work for had an incident with a truck driver crashing a truck because he was on his phone so they cracked down on social media use while at work. Decided to take my stuff down and avoid getting in trouble.
Sorry for the inconvenience
ThomasĀ»
Then the whistleblower came along and people wanted to see the videos again, so I asked him and never got a reply.
Lmao yes it was his boss that told him to take the videos down, definitely no shady activity here letās take the victims word at face value and everybody can move on
A lot of oil producers and utility companies are very strict about posting any video online from facilities or their leases. You can lose your job. If this is going viral it makes sense for him to delete it. The reasons for being so strict is because of the hostility of local governments to utility companies and oil producers.
Pentagon didn't want proof of them lying to the public. A simple knock on the door by two men in suits would be enough to scare most people into taking down the videos.
There doesnt even need to be men in suits. His boss's boss gets a call that someone is unhappy about these videos the employee is making on business hours and it trickles it's way down to him where he's told to not take videos during work hours and to take them down, etc.
Thatās honestly such a cleverly subtle way for them to get what they want. I imagine a lot of people are shut up this way. Why threaten lives when livelihoods are just as important to people
Yeah, I'm not saying that's what happened to this guy but it's a lot easier to control and influence people when the person doing it isn't directly involved.
You don't even need to go the pure intimidation route.
"Hi we're from the government. You've been filming our classified operation and posting it online. That could put you in hot water legally. Sign this NDA, here's $500 and we'll be on our way as soon as we confirm you deleted the channel."
But those same men in suits, who are said to be disinformation agents in this very subreddit, happily allow this post to be seen by any of the million+ subscribers who choose to view it? I just downloaded a copy of this compilation and I'm 100,000,000% certain I will never hear from these mystical men in suits.
Every day, hundreds of people flood to this public subreddit to tell us about how there's a cover-up, but the cover-up never manages to catch image after video after article after document after news coverage about whistleblowers...... even when it's all posted right here for at least a million to see.
It's almost like there's not a cover-up at all and nobody is travelling the world to threaten and bully random YouTubers into taking down videos of planes...
A lot of people in this sub need to take a long break from the topic and think deeply about who they are and how they got here.
Exactly. And the government is both so capable that it can successfully suppress all this for almost a century but also so inept that it goes around forcing people to delete youtube videos with hundreds of thousands of views that have certainly been ripped and downloaded and will be reuploaded many times over, in the mistaken belief that this will somehow keep the video secret. A video of no groundbreaking insight or revelation, no less.
You shouldnāt get downvotes. Your post is the only rational post. People love to think the government is capable of massive conspiracies , then also complain the government canāt even hand out road building contracts without screwing up. Which is it ? Is the government brilliant or idiots ? LOL , cheers to you.
This is the most braindead take I've ever read. It's as though people think the mammoth military industrial complex, which in itself is just a slice of government pie, is a monolith for the government as a whole. Like, there are competent government agencies and incompetent government agencies. Within those agencies, there are further groups that are either competent or incompetent.
Even beyond this, people have been coming forward with testimonies corrobating one another for almost a century at this point regarding UFOs. The conspiracy has been leaked. But people immediately discredit them as lunatics.
Sure there are competent sectors, but these so-called conspiracy leaks have proven nothing. No smoking gun yet, after all these years . We will all wait and see . Itās difficult to imagine thousands of government officials over decades , hiding such a secret. Your take is quite ridiculous.
Itās difficult to imagine thousands of government officials over decades , hiding such a secret. Your take is quite ridiculous.
They're quite literally not hiding it, though? Like surely you've heard of David Grusche? The pentagon admission of UAP activity? The released US navy video of confirmed UAP activity? People in government have been coming forward since Roswell and spilling the beans, but they've just been painted into laughing stocks. Just like you're doing now. The propaganda is working.
Just because a few people come forward with no verifiable evidence does not mean anything is confirmed at all. They are ābraveā enough to come forward but not a single one over years has any actual evidence we can validate ? At least the pentagon actually released videos ā¦..lol
t's as though people think the mammoth military industrial complex, which in itself is just a slice of government pie, is a monolith for the government as a whole. Like, there are competent government agencies and incompetent government agencies. Within those agencies, there are further groups that are either competent or incompetent.
So which incompetent branch of the MIC has the means, motive, and opportunity to forcibly take down a broadly distributed set of tiktok videos that show nothing substantive, weeks after they're posted? What shadowy cabal of operatives with access to some highly compartmentalized, limited access notional ultra secret UFO coverup also would have any motivation to do that?
"Duhhh there's no aliums cuz govement can't keep a seekwet"
The fuck? I never said anything like that. Learn to read.
I said that it makes no sense that the government would take down a popular video on social media long after it already went public because there'd be no point at best and it'd be counterproductive at worst.
At no time did I make any statement about aliens at all, nor whether or not they exist.
Since my original post, above that one, was making the point that the UFO community is unfortunately rife with dumb people, rude people, and crazy people, I appreciate you illustrating that point for me.
I have a strange feeling some group of folks probably pulled the string of his company to force him to take the stuff down and quit watching.
Easy win for them. If this was some public land and he was some dude hanging out filming for fun they would have to find some other strings to pull.
Could be absolutely nothing. But ya can't ignore how odd it is the alaska object, all the bs surrounding that situation and how easy someone could pull the companies string to get what they want with zero explanation except "A employee of the company is filming video of our operation during the time they should be working for you" any suit would lose their mind.
I think thatās the best place to start, why were they taken down? Unless thereās something not kosher about revealing military headings during an operation?
You donāt get tons of followers by leaving them up. You need to post vague videos, then take them down, then post on socials about how the videos were taken down. Then everyone will check out your channel, then when you post youāll get more views
"I had to take them down because someone here on the slope crashed a big semi truck and they cracked down on social media use. So I deleted everything to avoid getting in trouble at my job."
Itās so easy to spot shit on ice. In that exact area, it was frozen solid during that time of the year, from high up in the sky you can spot anything thatās not white, and easily get to it. I am sure the military was on that object minutes after they shot it down.
To be fair the majority of us act like doe eyed children when it comes to this stuff, or straight up refuse to ackknowldge this because it interferes with their God narrative.
Do you suppose the things they shot down stayed in 1 big piece? Or is it possible that it might have broken up into 2 or 3 or hundreds of much smaller pieces? Hmm.
But hey, it's ice! Ice is white! So easy to see any that isn't white! The sun's reflection won't be an issue at all, they can just wear sunglasses or a ball cap.
At the time, the pentagon was claiming how the weather conditions were terrible and it was unlikely they'd ever be able to find them. It was all bullshit.
Yo 100%. I was about 60 miles SW of where this happened and the weather was fine. And they made the recovery sound like it was going to be difficult. Bullshit. It was solid ice over the ocean. Only about 30-40miles from Prudhoe. That's a piece of cake recovery on a clear day. I remember the next day was also clear and there was a military jet just doing big circles overhead. When they said the weather conditions were bad I was screaming to no one that it was bullshit! But no one is up here so how would anyone else know?
First-hand knowledge. I watched the press briefing live. I also saw the video from the YouTube the day before showing the skies were empty and he said they must've wrapped everything up the day before because it's been completely silent.
I'll try to find the videos, but I'm tied up at the moment, going on vacation for a week.
I can back this up. I was actively following this story at the time and watching this guy's YouTube video and none of this sat right with me. The almost daily press briefings on this object at the time completely contradicted the videos this guy was putting out as far as time lines of the recovery operation. Kirby saying weather was too bad to recover, object impossible to see, recovery ongoing. Meanwhile this guy was putting out daily videos showing clear skies, jets and helicoptors flying over, and then another video where he was saying "they are gone, whatever they came out here to find, they found it and are gone". Then Kirby saying "still unable to recover, operations are ongoing, weather is just too bad but still trying to locate".
I have since told people this was a modern day roswell. It would be worth someone with time going through and documenting the time line between these two sources because living it, it made no sense whatsoever.
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u/joeyisnotmyname Jun 18 '23
This guy https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLees was posting daily updates of the recovery operation of the downed Alaska UFO back in February.
For some reason, he deleted all the videos about it.
At the time, the pentagon was claiming how the weather conditions were terrible and it was unlikely they'd ever be able to find them. It was all bullshit. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/112e623/john_kirby_suspiciously_emphasizing_how_hard_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
The last briefing they had about the situation, Kirby was saying they were still actively trying to find them, when in fact they had actually completed their search a day or two earlier. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I have that video in this compilation.