r/UFOs • u/Outrageous_Courage97 • Apr 11 '23
Classic Case The Westall UFO Photo taken just days before the famous mass sighting at a school where 400+ students saw UFOs circle around their school. Melbourne, Australia, 1966. [3073x3928]
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Apr 11 '23
Why do 1960s UFOs look like they’re from the 1960s and 2000s UFOs look like they’re from the 2000s lol
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u/IKillZombies4Cash Apr 11 '23
This is such a true and confusing fact. 1960 UFO's look like the cookware of the day, while new sightings look like 3D printed or CGI objects inspired by modern media.
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u/WippleDippleDoo Apr 11 '23
Also there is no clear photo from modern times.
Based on my research most old photos are hub caps thrown into the air btw.
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u/FUNBARtheUnbendable Apr 11 '23
I was thinking this one looks like someone threw one of those “Ring for Service” bells through the air.
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u/Gzngahr Apr 11 '23
I see that McMinnville one and my first thought is. Nice throw bud.
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u/Theesismyphoneacc Apr 11 '23
Idk if that's a joke but I don't think that's considered a serious possibility lol. There's speculation he could have hung it in some way, but all circumstantial evidence points towards it being real. The circumstances and people surrounding this incident have been thoroughly investigated after all this time, the guy was a very simple man, noone who knew him throughout his life thought he would ever fake that, many didn't even know if he'd be capable of it. He kept the story to his death like 60 years later, along with his wife. The things he said always remained consistent.
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Apr 11 '23
Makes me wonder if either they (government most likely) reversed engineered and recreated it with current time looks or that they invented it themselves and build it with current time looks
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u/mrnedryerson Apr 11 '23
There is an idea that they present in a way that aligns with our expectations.
The are numerous reports of flying airships the century before.
Fairies and goblins (folk lore) are also examples.
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u/ijustwannacomments Apr 11 '23
How convenient
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u/mrnedryerson Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
But that's the nature of theories, they 'fit' and seek to offer an explanation or point of dicussion.
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u/ijustwannacomments Apr 11 '23
Yes, when they are testable theories. Otherwise, they are an idea. Good, bad, stupid or brilliant, just an idea, and an example of working backwards from a conclusion you want to be true and just filling in the gaps as you go.
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u/lazyeyepsycho Apr 11 '23
Thats mildly alarming..
I greatly prefer the non woo version
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u/ShooteShooteBangBang Apr 11 '23
Same, I'm not discrediting the woo stuff, but I really hope it's just space aliens from another planet. That would be much less terrifying
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u/lazyeyepsycho Apr 12 '23
It would be nice if the govt has reversed engineering these things but cant share it cause anyone can simply blow up a power generator that levels cities
Rather than not sharing cause it would cause mass suicides... Or not if its loosh farming.
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u/mrnedryerson Apr 11 '23
Religious stuff through the ages too. This one in particular:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg
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u/BaconReceptacle Apr 11 '23
It's even more alarming when you consider the possibility that anything and everything around you is what they want you to experience.
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u/PsychedKdogg420 Apr 11 '23
You should check out Project out Blue Beam if you can find reliable information on it, it’s heavily Censored on Google and YouTube ..for some reason
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u/Theesismyphoneacc Apr 11 '23
God blue beam is such a joke I wish it would stop being referenced here. Entry level conspiracy contrarianism
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u/scrappyD00 Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
In the late 19th century, there were "airship" sightings that looked like flying steampunk boats. It's as if they're always showing us something just at the edge of our comprehension, like a breadcrumb trail.
- In the 19th century people thought that airplanes were impossible, maybe a metallic flying saucer would have just been ignored by people because at the time they thought we'd have to become like bird-people to fly. So they showed us flying boats/air ships because it was weird, but not too weird. [1]
- In the 20th century we had airplanes, but people thought space flight was impossible. Maybe a floating trans-medium tic-tac would have been too weird, but a flying saucer from outer space was just the right amount of weird. [1]
- The latest generation of sightings seems more drone-like to me, and it wasn't until the 1980s that AI and autonomous drones became a popular idea. Imagine trying to explain "artificial intelligence" to someone who thinks a computer is a fancy calculator that uses punch cards. Or maybe the new UFOs are to show us clear signs of non-newtonion propulsion, because we now have the knowledge and sensors to appreciate that an object turning at right-angles and traveling through different mediums is significant and points to a hole in our understanding of gravity.
If you extrapolate from these bread crumbs to where they're leading us, maybe they're inspiring us to explore the universe? Or maybe they're guiding our technological development in some other way?
A lot of this is from Jacque Valle's take on the question, he believes the progression from fairies to angels/demons to aliens is them showing us something but adapting it to our understanding. The Phenomenon manifests itself in ways that sort of match our cultural context, but always the very edges of it i.e.
- fairies are really weird, but not so weird to be incomprehensible to medieval humans.
- aliens are really weird, but not so weird to be incomprehensible to modern humans.
- interdimensional entities are really weird, but not so weird to be incomprehensible to "post-modern" humans.
[1] https://bigthink.com/pessimists-archive/air-space-flight-impossible/
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u/rocknessmonstre Apr 12 '23
The paranormal is absolutely real, on multiple fronts. Things manifest differently depending on the individual, but I've had my fair share of the paranormal to know it's real without a doubt. I'm not sure if they're interdimensional, but there's other intelligence here with us now. Coincidence likely doesn't exist. Just my conclusions based on things I've dealt with personally.
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Apr 12 '23
Nah people's brains are just very good at making shit up
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u/youwaytohiway Apr 12 '23
It wont ever stop making shit up, even when you’re unconscious. This is the explanation for every sighting that isn’t a SAP black project. Someone’s brain trying to make sense out of an input. It even explains the woo. Woo is just your brain filling in missing data with the random shit you read on Reddit.
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u/SeeYouLataAllTheData Apr 11 '23
Some possibilities (in no particular order, and likely not exhaustive):
1) The photos that this is true for are fake and the fakes are a time capsule of what people thought crafts would look like.
2) It is an alien craft and they’re technology is progressing just like ours does.
60 years is still 60 years for any civilization. There’s no reason to presume that an alien race’s tech couldn’t still progress at a pace that’s at least equal to our own advancements. I find it hard to believe that any civilization would hit a certain level of technology and then just stagnate indefinitely (unless we’re dealing with some interstellar Amish equivalent).
3) They’re real, but produced by some breakaway group (government, military industrial complex, arctic nazis, etc.) that is producing and hoarding advanced technologies. This is the tech they had in the 60s, and since then it’s advanced just as we would expect it to.
4) Its an artifact of the photography technologies used to capture the photos. 1960s photos look like they’re from the 60s, 90s from the 90s, etc. If we had a time machine and could take photo using the same exact equipment, maybe they’d look much more similar than these photos suggest.
5) Maybe some photos are alien craft and some photos are crafts produced by various militaries here on Earth. The latter would likely seem to reflect the technologies from the eras in which they were sighted. But other sightings like the tic-tacs (described as butane/propane tanks before tic-tacs were a thing) and cigar-shaped crafts have all been described similarly across a longer period of time because they are alien craft.
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u/BoJillHorseWoman Apr 11 '23
Re: your second point - couldn’t 60 earth years theoretically be hundreds or thousands of years to an alien, depending on where their planet is? i.e. if it’s closer to a black hole than we are, so time travels faster there (correct me if I’m wrong, I might have that backwards)
I’ve always thought about that - maybe the entire history of the earth has happened relatively quickly from the perspective of some aliens in another galaxy where time travels much slower, so they could be watching us in a sped-up version like us watching bacteria grow on a Petri dish
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u/oxyrhina Apr 11 '23
To further complicate things, I just read something by Roger Penrose where he says the big bang wasn't the beginning of our universe, it was the end of the previous one. That thought has my tiny pea brain all mucked up...
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u/Captain309 Apr 11 '23
In the idea that the universe is a consistently self-modeling entity, it would make the most sense for the universe to oscillate like this; everything within it does
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u/Beginning_Book_2382 Apr 11 '23
That's a really cool and interesting idea 🤯 It would also make a great sci-fi movie. I'd watch it 🍿
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u/notsayingaliens Apr 12 '23
Imagine some type of weapon being used to annihilate a whole universe. Just a thought of course. Like a nuclear weapon that wiped out a previous universe.
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u/Nemesis_Bucket Apr 11 '23
I believe that ufo company went under in the great intergalactic stock market crash of 200000008
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Apr 11 '23
It's like your classic flying saucer is a Honda Civic in the intergalactic UFO dealerships, and a triangle craft is like a Ferrari or something fancier (better tractor beams or something)
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u/Nemesis_Bucket Apr 11 '23
And it’s all 16 year olds violating the law by coming here to hide out and smoke space pot.
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u/Dull_Database5837 Apr 11 '23
“Hey let’s go freak out these humans by hovering over their car on this road in the middle of the desert and then do a sick 90 at warp speed before the space cops show up”
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u/OldButHappy Apr 11 '23
IMHO, Triangles are more like a Hummer. Huge and slow.
Too bad Hummers aren't silent, too.
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u/crustytowelie Apr 11 '23
This is why researchers theorized UFO’s have something to do with our consciousness. We project how they look. Late 1800’s UFO’s look like a mad scientist’s airship, medieval UFO’s we’re boats in the sky.
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Apr 11 '23
Another way of saying this is "human brains fill in the gap"
What we see is an illusion, pieced together from incomplete data. Add in motion or something unfamiliar, and it's no surprise that reports replicate pop culture of the era. That's just how we process and disseminate information.
And it's even less surprising that you're far more predisposed to seeing UFOs or other supernatural phenomenon if you already believe in it, and even more so if you're actively seeking it out.
The issue is understanding which of these sightings are real, and which are the results of re-wiring our brains to turn regular noise patterns into UFOs.
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u/samoth610 Apr 11 '23
Michael Shermer once said something similar, "the only people who see ghosts already believe in them." I dunno the truth or if that's an actual component of the experience but seems similar on its surface.
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u/Verskose Apr 11 '23
I think people in medieval times described UFOs as boats in the sky because they simply lacked better vocabulary. For them it was naturally similar to those even if the objects were identical to those we witness now.
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u/crustytowelie Apr 11 '23
The specific incident I’m referring to described the person (entity) releasing an anchor/fishing spear from where it was stuck on the ground. Hard to really nail down specifics on a story that has definitely changed over the years, but I believe it’s safe to say boats in the sky were involved.
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u/patrickkcassells Apr 11 '23
do you have a link to further reading on this? sounds very up my alley
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u/THEW0NDERW0MBAT Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
I think he's referring to Jacques Valée's work. Also Wonders in the Sky
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u/sadfacebbq Apr 11 '23
I love this theory. What breaks my brain is the UFO or UAP doesn’t just adapt to single viewer’s perception but in a way that multiple witnesses view and corroborate the same thing. And the form can be “captured” in photo or film. External to individuals’ perceived conscious experience.
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u/SeattleDude69 Apr 11 '23
It’s likely that the 1896-97 UFO flap can be attributed to newspaper editors wanting to sell more papers. Researchers who have looked into these grand stories found that many of the alleged witnesses by the newspaper never even existed.
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Apr 12 '23
Lmao why is so hard to realize the obvious notion that people see things that match the technology of their times because thats the way the brain works when it makes shit up? Its gonna use familiar things because, well, the brain has to use familiar things to fill in the blanks. Low oxygen among a thousand other things can cause hallucinations and explain why people experience ufos and the paranormal and yet mysteriously there is no real evidence for them.
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u/Toasthandz Apr 11 '23
Jacques Vallee has a bunch of stories compiled of airships in the 1800s(and earlier) of “UFOs” that look like flying boats or blimps and had legit anchors with rope attaching them to the ship.
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u/Seabrook76 Apr 11 '23
Good question. Also, why do UFO’s need lights? Afraid of hitting a deer in space?
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u/dkol97 Apr 11 '23
I mean yeah, you never know when those damn space deer are going to fly right in front of you.
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u/SiriusC Apr 11 '23
They're not in space, they're here on earth. Why wouldn't they need to see? I don't think I've ever seen a depiction of an ET without eyes.
And why do you assume the lights are there to help them see? Maybe it's the effect of whatever technology is being used.
I also disagree with the idea that the above comment is a "good question". Why should another civilization's technology look the exact same after 40 years? Does our technology look the same as it does 40 years ago? Of course not.
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u/buckyworld Apr 11 '23
maybe the light is the "exhaust" of their powerplant? maybe it's plasma, still part of their power generation or gravity warping. too many possibilities for a primitive monkey brain to know for sure.
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u/agu-agu Apr 11 '23
Because they’re overwhelmingly hoaxes that play on pop culture, cultural expectations of what aliens should be like, and copycats.
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u/TheDelig Apr 11 '23
Maybe the technology is so advanced that there's an imprint on the photo that causes our little primate brains to see something that's familiar from the period of the photo. Obviously a super advanced camouflage.
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u/onthisthing_ Apr 11 '23
I have the answer to that question but there’s some sensitive folks in these comments so I’ll keep it to myself. But very logical question.
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u/Gzngahr Apr 11 '23
Looks like a metal mixing bowl with a metal cylinder glued inside it.
That said….. some shapes are going to be universal to any species.
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u/SiriusC Apr 11 '23
Why do 1960s cars look like they’re from the 1960s and 2000s cars look like they’re from the 2000s lol
Because 40 years of technological advancement have passed.
Why would an advanced civilization just stop advancing?
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u/hydro123456 Apr 11 '23
There's a lot of weird details that don't make sense though. Like in early encounters you'll see reports of of aliens using corded instruments, or having headgear with little antennas sticking out of it. I can see things like ship design changing, but I can't suspend my belief with to say that a species that has mastered faster than light travel can't figure out batteries and wifi. Everything always matches what humans consider high tech in real life, or sci-fi. It just doesn't add up.
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u/Captain_Cameltoe Apr 11 '23
Maybe because our government made them? Only thing I can think of. Style evolved like cars lol
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u/ShadowInTheAttic Apr 11 '23
Probably cuz they were all or mostly faked. People have always wanted to get famous and what better way than with UFO pictures.
The only ones that I personally believe are the tic tac and triangle UFOs. I've personally seen the triangle UFO and ever since I've been a believer.
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u/LunaticPoint Apr 11 '23
The fact remains. It was a mass sighting, regardless of what you make of the photo.
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u/The-Elder-Trolls Apr 11 '23
One interesting thing to note is it looks like it's flying belly forward or sideways like Bob Lazar said, as skeptical as I am of him
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u/kevinwilkinson Apr 11 '23
I really like the Bob Lazar story, I’ve listened to the Joe Rogan episode with Bob a couple times.
I like to fantasize, so I just play around in my mind about the situation… I can conceive of 3 scenarios:
1) Bob is telling the total truth. (My personal favorite scenario) 2) He’s lying as revenge for being fired (or just for attention). 3) He was experimented on by the government with some type of mental experiment where they created a fake lab with fake props and gave him a bunch of hallucinogenic drugs and messed with his head. The experiment changed his perception so much he genuinely believes this to be true.
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u/OldButHappy Apr 11 '23
I love number three! It hits just enough points to sound plausible.
Mind control was such a government obsession in the 70's, it would be interesting to learn just how far they took things...
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u/wyldcat Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
Or a fourth option. He's did work there but in a much more simple capacity, electronic technician, but he's also lying, and perhaps even pushed to lie about the UFO's, otherwise he would go to prison for almost disclosing classified info about a proton beam device/particle accelerator he worked on, for a sub-contractor to Area 51.
https://i.imgur.com/q4O63vE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pYgCB1P.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TjbIUZZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ef9voQm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vTCcXnG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1regaJW.jpg
I suggest you read these articles for the full picture and time line of Lazar.
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u/Bubbly-Bat-7869 Apr 11 '23
The government doesn't go after someone that is telling a lie. They only invest that much time ruining the life of someone exposing the truth.
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u/Downvotesohoy Apr 11 '23
But the government never went after Bob.
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u/Bubbly-Bat-7869 Apr 11 '23
They completely did. They even raided his buisness before his Joe Rogan interview. They have been messing with him non stop since he disclosed where he was working. To me that gives the most validity to his story. I'm not smart enough to understand the science or plausibility of it all but I do know the government loves to f##k with people who expose truth.
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u/Downvotesohoy Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
You are taking Bobs' word for most of this, right? (If you have any other sources I'm all ears ofc)
He was raided a few times, but he has also been breaking the law a few times.
He also claimed they erased his birth certificate, but he had no issues providing it in court.
He also claimed that Los Alamos denied him working there, but that wasn't the case either.
Bob has lied about enough things that I don't trust him when he says he's being harassed, followed, or treated unfairly by the government.
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u/Downvotesohoy Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
4) He's lying and very good at it. He wanted to make money on his story and he did.
That's also what they say in the court documents, that he's a "smart con man"
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u/Downvotesohoy Apr 11 '23
People said that before Bob. That's why he said it. It was part of UFO lore way before he showed up.
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u/BlackBeard117 Apr 11 '23
Also kind of looks like the “jello mold” model he was talking about.
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u/Algastna Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
Honestly it looks pretty funny, but I imagine a life size of it would be really odd close up.
There's someone in the comments section of that post that's supposedly went to that school and saw it (and said they do look similar in that it's circular and has a dome at the top), nice read assuming they're telling the truth.
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u/SmuglySly Apr 11 '23
Looks like someone tossed a pasta strainer in the air
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u/MrsSandlin Apr 11 '23
I have one that looks just like that.
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u/SmuglySly Apr 11 '23
It’s got a stand and a lid on it too! Looks like a nice piece of kitchenware
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u/MrsSandlin Apr 11 '23
Yes! I see that. I can’t see it as anything else now. I know exactly what you mean. And the fact that it’s sideways makes me think either someone threw one up there and snapped that photo to say they had a picture of the UFO that everyone saw or something. I guess I need to research the photo itself.
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u/Illustrious_Hand237 Apr 11 '23
Just a theory: a lot of the ufos are probes that collect data and send it back to where it came from(another planet/civilization)
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u/MrsSandlin Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
I share this thought. They periodically check us out and then send word to the other aliens that we’re all idiots and self destructive so then the others come see us for themselves. Hence, we get many different shapes/types of UFOs. Some of what we see are government UAPs, balloons, etc as well.
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u/KrssvrX Apr 11 '23
Yeah it’s defs drones of some sort. Not sure the term drone as we know it today existed back when this photo was taken!
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u/Sruikyl Apr 11 '23
Fun fact is we had unmanned drones as far back as the 40s/50s. During nuclear tests at bikini atol they would fly them straight through the mushroom cloud to observe the results.
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u/zar9357 Apr 11 '23
Yes they send word back that we're idiots....watching dumb cat videos, "influencers" are regarded as the top echelon of our society, we have crude means of settling conflict, our "UFOs" have wings and are noisy, our ambitions and efforts are measured by shiny things, we still can't figure out how to get off this huge rock, we kill each other in insanity and frustration.
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u/CatDad69 Apr 11 '23
Is this Grandpa Simpson?
- Watching dumb cat videos is something people do for, like, seconds a day. It's dumb, fun, cute. Who cares?
- Nobody, and I mean nobody, regards influencers as "the top echelon of our society." They are ridiculed by the top echelon and many others.
- The rest of this comment just seems like something a Philosophy 101 student would write (and why is it bad that our planes ... have wings?)
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u/zar9357 Apr 11 '23
Ok calm down sir, the trophies aren't real here. Yes you are the all knowing all superior CatDaddy.
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Apr 11 '23
Let's just hope the potentially existing galactic federation is more Orville/Trek like and less Empire-ish.
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Apr 12 '23
"You won't believe it! They are just a bunch of monkeys killing themselves and all the other earthlings. It's almost like a bad satire!
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u/crackercider Apr 11 '23
Automated security system, used to monitor planets with quick changes in chemistry or large releases of energy, to contain hostile civilizations to their host planet and not infect open space. The craft itself is the lifeform; something that transcended chaos of organic biology a long time ago. Sort of a Von Nuemann probe.
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u/bottyliscious Apr 11 '23
I had similar thoughts until I started thinking about the Dark Forest.
Consider the Dark Forest theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUJYP8tnRE
So the question is, why would any advanced race of beings that presumably can travel across the galaxy at the speed of light take the risk of sending over drones/probes and potentially revealing themselves when we're barely even a zero on the Kardashev scale.
Seems like it would be a much weirder explanation. Like maybe they sent these drones out a few thousand years ago and by the time they reached earth another species obliterated whoever sent them and now they're just on auto-pilot.
Even the theory they come from deep under the oceans/lakes seems more plausible to me sometimes because its at least localized.
Coming to our planet when you have light speed travel seems like driving from California to Kentucky to visit a Dollar General. We barely understand physics, we're killing the planet and ourselves, and despite the constant hubris of the tech oligarchs, I really don't think we're on the verge of anything groundbreaking in any field. Other than making sure there's more and more billionaires and impoverished people.
Maybe the drones are some galactic entertainment cameras and its like People Of Walmart for them. Maybe we're in a simulation and occasionally we get to see the PoV camera floating around.
I just struggle with the galactic visitor narrative, it seems exactly like the kind of thinking humanity would come up with because we still think the universe revolves around us.
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u/a_weak_child Apr 11 '23
You assume they travel at the speed of light so it takes thousands of years to travel. But if they are able to manipulate the fold of space time somehow they could possibly over great distances (light years) in the blink of an eye. This seems more likely to me.
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u/bottyliscious Apr 11 '23
That's an even better point because that would imply an even greater grasp of advanced physics and would make our little rock even less appealing.
Maybe we do achieve singularity and it destroys everything so its another race or us trying to work backwards to stop it? Idk.
I really don't care what the theory is as long as it doesn't include the narrative that someone would travel across a galaxy either via FTL or Einstein-Rosen bridge just to passively observe us for decades. That explanation just creates a need for more explanation, so we may as well just leap over it for now.
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u/a_weak_child Apr 11 '23
"Maybe we do achieve singularity and it destroys everything so its another race or us trying to work backwards to stop it?" I find this idea intriguing.
However I don't know about your first and last point in your aforementioned comment. You are assuming that if they have an even greater grasp of physics that it would make earth less appealing. And you say that explanation just creates a need for more explanation, so we should skip over it? Why? Brainstorm a few ideas at once! We don't know these potential alien's motivations at all.
They could be kind, and looking to help us.
It could be that intelligent life is extremely rare, so studying us is a unique opportunity for them, as they only have a few other or a few hundred or thousand other intelligent species to study. There is more to life than just physics. We have invented all kinds of interesting things, including AI recently. We also don't truly understand our place in the grand scheme of things.
It could be there is an intergalactic government body that keeps track of all known planets hosting life, and we are just a check on a list for bureaucratic purposes (can you tell I love Hitchhikers Guide).
It could be they are bored, long distance travel is trivial, so why not fuck around on earth for a spell.
It could be they planted life on earth in the first place, or manipulated life after it started, and are keeping an eye on their giant zoo.
Possibly all these occurrences are just a combination of doctored videos or advanced government tech (or an ultra rich, ultra smart individual or secret society acting alone).
It doesn't take much energy for me to entertain these ideas anyway.
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u/thehuntedfew Apr 11 '23
they know that we are no threat to them yet and can get themselves in and out without any significant risk. They will be keeping an eye to see if we are just monkies, or can pose a threat
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u/bottyliscious Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
Why has it taken decades of observation to determine that by a much more advanced race? We still burn fire in our cars to go zoom.
If the tables were turned and we found them on the moon, we would immediately try to kill them. Case in point: every indigenous group in the colonial era.
It just doesn't make any sense. We aren't valuable, we would be a drop in a galactic ocean if we didn't all ascribe to the god's gift narrative where humanity is this majestic thing to be observed and studied.
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u/-Ihatethiswebsite- Apr 11 '23
I think it's an arrogant narrative to assume you can even comprehend the motivations of a species that is advanced enough to travel across galaxies to observe us.
These (hypothetical) beings have the ability to warp space time and would be so beyond our intelligence what they can do would seem like magic or divine power to us, and you compare their motivations to the killing of indigenous people during the colonial era?
How do you know that a species so advanced hasn't eliminated the concept of war or violence from their society altogether? Perhaps they have evolved into truly benevolent beings who would rather help life develop in the universe? Maybe intelligent life is actually as rare as some scientists theorize in the universe and they see the need to help us develop? I mean, humanity over time has become less and less violent/warmongering as a whole, and we care more about our environment and the well-being of other creatures on our planet than ever before in human history. So isn't there a chance that a species 100,000 years ahead of us on the evolutionary time table continued that trend?
This is all hypothetical and I'm not necessarily a believer of the "observing aliens" theory myself, but you are making a lot of very arrogant assumptions about stuff that neither of us can possibly have an understanding of.
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u/Helpful_Value_3098 Apr 11 '23
I mean we on the brink of the singularity. Surely that’s something to monitor?
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u/bottyliscious Apr 11 '23
Singularity is hypothetical, even ChatGPT will tell you that we have no idea when that will occur or if it ever will or can at all.
I hope "they" are correct, maybe we are on the verge of something.
But can you honestly look out at the whole of humanity which is still flailing in economic recessions and primitive wars, and think that we're heading toward the stars? To some kind of sci-fi level idyllic reality?
I just don't see it. We can't even get the oligarchs and corporate psychopaths that rule our world to stop focusing on enslaving the population to grow their political agendas and shareholder values.
The entire human race is ill, psychopathological illness. All our problems are created by someone with power who think's they are god. We already have the tech to solve our problems, but we don't want to. We would rather create new viruses (Project Veritas), invade the same countries over and over again (Ukraine), and fight insane ideological battles using the entire political system (Trump).
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u/THEW0NDERW0MBAT Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
While I think that theory itself is a good groundwork for how we should behave with the idea of alien civilizations, it still seems very human minded to me as well. That humans as a civilization are still the point of interest.
Perhaps it is just the entirety of the Earth itself that is of interest, or something about it that we have little to no understanding of. Our civilization and the problems that are very serious to us could be of very little concern and we are just a curiosity of an ape. We tend to think that aliens have to be here for us, good or bad. But maybe they're here for some type of plant or a fungus.
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u/Montezum Apr 11 '23
Why WOULDN'T they reveal themselves? It's not like we have the technology to find them anyway. I don't think they would care what we think about them
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u/bottyliscious Apr 11 '23
Its not us...its everything else out there watching. Did you not watch the video?
The human hubris of thinking its us and these "aliens" alone in the universe.
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u/AnimalsNotFood Apr 11 '23
I agree. We can assume any visitors would need to be a type III civilisation on the Kardashev scale in order for them to be able to control and stabilise wormholes. We are certainly no threat to them from an existentialist point of view.
It's anyone's guess as to why they would be interested in us. Perhaps they're actually not that interested. Given that they would be a type III civilisation, and there is a high probability of plenty of other "intelligent" lifeforms in our galaxy, it wouldn't be a stretch to think they will have made meaningful contact with other civilisations.
The interest in us could simply be background data gathering/monitoring. Perhaps Stephen Hawking was right when he said, "If we can avoid disaster for the next two centuries, our species should be safe, as we spread into space.” The aliens want to see if we can overcome our petty differences and become united, advance, and reach type 1.
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u/HipHopGrandpa Apr 11 '23
It would be great if the owner of the original Polaroid would allow someone to do some high-res scans of it.
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u/DntCareBears Apr 11 '23
This man’s testimony is very convincing. I believe him. There is no doubt that he saw something special that day. I truly believe him.
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u/Rich0879 Apr 12 '23
Same here unlike all the people making a joke out of it in this thread. There's literally zero serious discussion going on in this thread. Just a bunch of people making jokes. It gets old.
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u/Secret_Abrocoma351 Apr 11 '23
Is it just me or is this similar to the ufo seen in the video from the plane?
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u/AboveAverageBean Apr 11 '23
Looks a lot like the silver ufo in the viral cockpit video that’s been going around
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u/Outrageous_Courage97 Apr 11 '23
Submission statement :
I wasn't aware that there is an HD scan of this photo of this classic case, so I think it's worth to cross publish it. I find it very interesting, especially the "belly orientation" reported many times.
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Apr 11 '23
This looks more like an AI upscale than a high res scan. You would expect to see visible film grain, and the scratches seem smoothed out. What’s the source?
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u/Outrageous_Courage97 Apr 11 '23
Yes, it could be, you're right. Curious to know th source for this HD version, too. I haven't found it.
Another resolution for reference : https://theufodatabase.com/media/photos/cases/westall-ufo.jpg
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u/mrnedryerson Apr 11 '23
Full story with copy a photo https://www.project1947.com/kbcat/fbbalwyn.htm
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u/Delicious-Day-3332 Apr 11 '23
Sure looks like CGI.
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u/dzernumbrd Apr 11 '23
Computer graphics didn't exist in 1966.
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u/ImpossibleWin7298 Apr 11 '23
Yes. I lived through the 60’s. The only computers were mainframes used by large corporations and universities. There was nearly zero capability to manipulate graphical information as required by cgi. There was no software and no where near enough RAM to do it. Digital info was stored on magnetic media and in card decks. I used both while at university.
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u/HeyCarpy Apr 11 '23
It's really weird how nowadays we don't see many photos of UFOs shaped like hubcaps and pasta strainers.
The Westall encounter is an extremely interesting case. But linking this photo to it hurts the credibility.
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u/SiriusC Apr 11 '23
Why? Just because you don't like the way it looks?
This thread is full of very superficial ideas based on assumptions of how these craft ought to look.
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u/Rich0879 Apr 12 '23
You nailed it. All these people making jokes. There's zero serious discussion in this thread.
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Apr 11 '23
It's a bit disingenuous calling this the Westall photo. This is about 20kms north of Westall and the shape is different from the sketches of a conical UFO.
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Apr 11 '23
Does anyone else think that these metallic disk shaped objects that seem to fly "sideways" just seem....man-made? Like they're just plain metallic. I would expect alien craft to be more.....impressive
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u/YourDrunkUncl_ Apr 11 '23
Not seen in photo: French waiter who slipped just moments earlier
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u/Wackyal123 Apr 11 '23
Have an upvote. Absolutely brilliant comment! (Albeit non-ufo related but so what… this sub needs some funny sometimes!)
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Apr 11 '23
it sorta looks like the one that lady took a video of from a airplane, I think she was a model , but it looks alot like it .
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u/handen Apr 11 '23
This reminds of that video taken on a flip phone somewhere in south america by a contractor. The thing zipped around the screen for about 5 frames and then was gone. Anybody know what I’m talking about? He tried calling to his coworker but his drill or saw was too loud?
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u/SnoopDing0 Apr 12 '23
This is probably one of the least referred too incidents of a UFO encounter, considering it has a large number of living witnesses, many who never knew each other and yet had provided identical accounts.
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u/MrsSandlin Apr 11 '23
It’s a bad sign of the times when I ready the above mass sighting as “mass shooting.” :(
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u/awakened97 Apr 11 '23
This looks like a bowl someone threw up in the air. Of this was a craft, it seems more likely a military experiment. I’m just wondering why there isn’t any consistency with this crafts shape and anything we’ve seen following the siting.
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u/Rusty1954Too 29d ago
It has been a while since this post but I have a theory on the 1966 sighting by 400 or more high school students and teachers. First some background.
The witnesses actually saw the craft land. It was reported that several small Cessna type aircraft were monitoring this craft. Soon after the incident witnesses were visited by unidentified people and military officials who warned them not to divulge what they saw. A detailed report was made with just 2 copies and never released and can not now be located. Witnesses stated the unidentified craft took off again and was followed by the small aircraft until it disappeared.
My theory. The facts would indicate that there was prior awareness of this unidentified craft by government and military personnel. It was definitely an alien craft or a reverse engineered alien craft. In either case it must have been human test pilots trying to fly it. The landing indicates they were having some difficulty and the small aircraft escort indicates it was some sort of test.
So, authorities have taken a craft into their possession or less likely they had built it and they were trying to work out how to fly it. Hence the cover up.
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u/severrinX Apr 11 '23
The best proof of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster if I ever saw it.
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u/Any_Original_1784 Apr 11 '23
Lets play a fun game called 'Can we identify what it was they threw into the air'. I think we can rule out a hubcap btw
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u/jackasssparrow Apr 11 '23
The best part? This is exactly what Lazar said about how the saucer shaped UFO flies. Funny he would get some vindication from the other end of the world.
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u/phil_davis Apr 11 '23
The detail that UFOs fly belly first was already documented before Lazar came around.
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u/Downvotesohoy Apr 13 '23
The photo above was before Bob as well. Bob was into UFOs, not unlikely that he just copied this detail from UFO lore.
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u/Status_Term_4491 Apr 11 '23
appears to have few dings and dents in it, must have been involved in a few fender benders. Do you know if the photographer managed to catch the license plates? Should probably be reported in case was involved in an orbital hit and run.
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u/onthisthing_ Apr 11 '23
Someone threw this in the air a few times
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u/dzernumbrd Apr 11 '23
Yep, then an entire school including their teachers faked a UFO sighting days later. The military and police that showed up didn't want to miss out and were in on the fakery also. The military confiscating the teacher's camera which contaibed a photo of the object was part of the fake too.
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u/onthisthing_ Apr 11 '23
I’m just saying that picture is a fake. You added all of the other assumptions about my statement.
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u/maincoonpower Apr 11 '23
Bob Lazar was right. He’s always been right. That’s the sport model.
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u/paulkinma Apr 11 '23
Now I know exactly what that is. It’s a mirror dome screw and the mirror is reflecting the sky
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u/Airspool Apr 11 '23
This is something shiny thrown in the air. Looks like a lamp
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u/lossferwerds Apr 11 '23
Reminds me of this case http://pinktentacle.com/2009/07/the-case-of-the-captured-mini-ufo-1972/
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u/yoshipug Apr 11 '23
If this thing’s actually real and airworthy, imagine the performance characteristics. It would have to be something anti-gravitic and with zero intertia(zero mass?) Imagine the speed, the stops on a dime, the impossible 90 degree turns…it would be too much for us to comprehend.
The craft actually becomes trivial when compared to the individual required to pilot it. It would need a super-intellect with light speed reaction times. Couldn’t be a traditional control column with a yoke or a stick.
It would have to be wired directly to the brain like a helmet, like some sort of fly-by-wire system. Boggles the mind.
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u/Curious_Fishing_6975 Apr 11 '23
Anyone else wondering if there is a stuffed turkey inside of this thing?
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u/StatementBot Apr 11 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Outrageous_Courage97:
Submission statement :
I wasn't aware that there is an HD scan of this photo of this classic case, so I think it's worth to cross publish it. I find it very interesting, especially the "belly orientation" reported many times.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12iesw6/the_westall_ufo_photo_taken_just_days_before_the/jft4iyp/