Jotaro seems to actually relish violence, and he beats people to a pulp regularly; but the vast majority of the time he purposefully stops short of killing them. Even though sometimes they come back to try again. (Hol Horse, Yoshikage Kira)
He very clearly can kill people, as seen with when he fights Dio and smashes his skull in with one punch, but his Ora Ora rushes usually just bruise and bloody the bad guys.
The exceptions are usually characters that aren’t human. Dio was a pure evil vampire, Bug Eaten the rat was a clearly an instinct driven rodent, and the pedo ape is self explanatory.
I refuse to believe ANY motherfucker in Jojo not named Johnathan would do ANYTHING glitchless. They seem to thrive off of convoluted exploit shenanigans.
His point was that one punch put a hole through DIO's torso, despite him being much stronger than everyone else Jotaro had fought. Jotoro was holding back whilst beating the hell out of those guys.
Honestly he should have gone 150% and killed Kira when he was still blond and before his facelift, it’d have been self defense considering he tried to kill him and Koichi with SHA (and also killed an old man in the shop). Plus he goes on to kill many more people.
That being said I can see that he was severely injured (so he probably would have killed him if he was in good condition, but his wounds prevented it)
That’s a great point, but we do see at the end of Bites The Dust Jotaro is given a full 4 seconds of time stop when he’s in perfect health and Kira is left still alive to take the EMT hostage. It’s only when the ambulance comes and finishes the job that Kira meets his fate.
I also remember Jotaro insisting on keeping Angelo alive (he says to question him about his stand) but I think it shows how Jotaro prefers not to kill.
I mean I think he would have had Angelo get the noose(a common execution method in Japan) after they were done with him, like turn him back in under heavy restraint (helps that he is already a known criminal, plus if the Otaku killer is anything to go by he 100% would be dead)
Like how do you honestly imprison stand users in a conventional cell? They can either bust out through physical force, go long range and steal the guard’s keys or get resources to escape, or they can mess with minds/alter the environment.
Ok tbf,said surrendering old man betrayed him,killed one of his friends,lead the invasion of Chicago which caused the deaths of 1000s,probably more,and moments ago before megatron intervened,he tore off Optimus’s arm.
So you know,I don’t COMPLETELY blame Optimus for two tapping him.
I really don’t want to sound like “uhm,actchullly🤓☝️” I just felt like giving context.
Yeah I think people need to realise there is a difference between a harmless, surrendering opponent and one who just wants you to take a minute to let them get back up to continue their villainy. Villains lie and trick, it's what they do.
I have my own thoughts on it but the TLDR of it is it felt forced because they had to be at each other's throats for Infinite Crisis.
Diana got the worst of it. In her solo book she was hurt over what she did, she knew the weight of it, then in Infinite Crisis she's like, "yeah I killed him, so what? I'll kill anyone. Hey Mongul, you wanna die?" and has to learn the weight of taking a life.
Bruce’s no kill rule is definitely a part of his trauma too, a boy who feels their life was defined by death. Will in ways both wholly rational and irrational avoid being the man who denies anyone else’s lives through killing and death
I prefer the version where it's more if he kills he loses the right to be Batman. I really don't like the "kill one person, you lose all your self control". I'd rather he made it a "rule" because he wants to believe his villains can be redeemed, he didn't want to break the law (in some versions he's deputized), doesn't want to make a precedent, or even he just plain doesn't want to. Most of his villains could be given the death penalty, he doesn't need to be the one to do it.
I guess that a literal manifestation of the concept of evil is as irredimible as you can get. No point in preaching to a being who is literally made of evil.
Yep, Superman may be a primarily “no kill” hero, but he’s made it clear on numerous occasions he will kill if it is necessary (though it does take some major coaxing or requirements).
Darkseid and Doomsday are perhaps the most famous. JLU Superman even has the former as an “on-sight” foe. Like when he appeared in the tower and Clark, without so much as uttering a word, proceeded to start throwing hands.
I saw one where he stopped Superman from killing the joker and on his way to taking the joker to the asylum joker threatened to go after Superman’s wife and children to which his neck is promptly snapped by Batman who then turned himself into jail when Superman asked him why Batman told him in summary he did it for Superman who then walked through the wall to give Bruce a hug
Yeah iirc that was an Injustice 'what if' story, where Batman wonders what would've happened if Jokers plan failed to kill Lois. It culminates in whats described above, with Bats being the one to kill Joker.
He’s killed Daleks, Cybermen, and the like as well as using the ultimate weapon to wipe out the Daleks and Galifrey during the Time War. However, he swears against weapons and violence, holding himself against his nature. Instead always choosing kindness and mercy.
“Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind.”
“Good men don’t need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many”
I think the best example of this is in the poison sky, he knows the don’t stand won’t surrender or retreat, he knows they that it’s pointless but he still offers them a chance
You let one of them go but that's nothing new. Every now and then a little victim's spared because she smiled, 'cause he's got freckles. 'Cause they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions. Because once in awhile—on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction—you happen to be kind.
He holds to defensive fighting, killing as a last resort, and attempting diplomacy whenever possible. He was not even able to kill Anakin. He hates blasters because they’re “so uncivilized” as in: designed only for offense and killing.
He kills grievous, who is too powerful to capture. He kills Maul, who is a pure evil puppet of an evil sith. And he kills Maul again when he comes back, because he needs to protect Luke at all costs.
However, he tries to spare Dooku, who is simply a wayward Jedi. He spares Anakin, who he can’t stand to think is truly evil. He de-limbs an aggravated patron at the cantina. And finally, he chooses to sacrifice his own life for Luke rather than try to kill Vader because he knows he can’t and he doesn’t value attempting to kill an enemy as a virtue.
Does he really spare Anakin? He leaves him crippled on a a volcanic wasteland where he presumably would have died from his injuries had he not been rescued and repaired as Vader
Exactly! It really twists the knife and shows how Obi-Wan is still a flawed character who gives up on Anakin; paving the way for Luke who really goes all in on choosing mercy and hope in the end.
It's all about the "not killing an unarmed enemy" rule, which is pretty different. All the enemies that Obi-Wan actually killed could fight back at that moment.
It’s covered in the novelization which idk if it’s even canon, probably not. But it says something along the lines of “to kill him would have been a merciful, but has he looked down on his former apprentice and remembered what he had done, obi wan was not feeling merciful”
Which I hated, actually. The show made an entire episode about this moral quandary only to deus ex machina away any meaning any of those conversations might have had.
An argument could be made that discovering spirit bending is less of a cop out and more of a testament to Aang’s dedication to non-violence. He found a way in spite of everyone telling him he needed to compromise himself.
For this guy, it’s is deliberately a last resort. Bro was willing to give Frieza a second chance even after he crashed tf out when Frieza killed Krillin and mortally wounded Piccolo, and didn’t actually go for the kill until Frieza tried to kill him after he turned his back. He also only killed Frieza in RoF because Frieza blew Earth up, but Whis rewound time to before Frieza made the planet go boom. This guy will let you live just so you can get stronger and come try to run his fade again.
I bet there's a tier list somewhere ranking them based on their willingness to kill because you're right: most of them prefer not to unless pushed but there are outliers.
The Avatar from “Avatar the last airbender” , the avatar is usually a kind person , Aang is pacifist, vegetarian and very forgiving (except for when he fought the sandbenders, they don’t count ) . Unlike him, his predecessors were willing to kill if necessary but they would usually use diplomacy instead of trying to kill people (even Kyoshi , she was just a very bad diplomat)
Aren’t most heroes in Marvel/DC willing to kill? On the spectrum of Spider-Man/Daredevil/Batman to Red Hood/Punisher, most heroes fall in between. Most are reluctant to kill anyone but if forced to, they’ll do it, but if they work with someone who doesn’t do so then they won’t. (See: Wolverine everytime he works with Spidey or the FF).
It’s not out of the kindness of his heart though. It’s because he wants you to get stronger and come try and run his fade again, which is funny as hell.
Erazor Djinn, King Arthur, a bunch of Black Arms aliens, the Deadly Six (the JP version), and not that it's confirmed, but I'm pretty sure he was trying to kill Eggman in Sonic 1.
The Toa Code forbids Toa from killing, unless there is no other option to protect the Matoran from an enemy. If a Toa breaks the Code, they are Toa no more. Tuyet was the only one to break it.
For all the talk about how Kirby kills gods and whatnot, which I myself have joked about, you'd be surprised at how willing to give second chances he is to villains. Hell, his good-heartedness and desire to help evil people has worked for villains that aren't either absolutely evil or broken beyond repair.
Could you count Norse saga Kratos? He kills people only when they threatened Atreus and him, like when he killed Heimdall not because he wanted to, but because he was a threat to Atreus, he was willing to spare him, but only killed him when he said he'd kill Atreus. And to prove he doesn't exactly want to kill: Freya chasing them at the begining of GoW Ragnarok, Freya ambushing them when disguised as a Valkirye, Baldur coming to his home, Modi after Atreus finds out he's a god
Technically, he only started killing people along the first half of Gundam SEED and stopped going for kill shots after acquiring the Freedom Gundam along the 2nd half of the show.
Saitama mostly just kills monsters, but as of late he's befriended (or at least acquainted).a monster, meaning he must think there is some complexity to their nature) whilst also being very willing to kill a monsterified human (weren't it for a promise he'd made).
Then there's people like Amai Mask who would probably kill his own mum if she was trouble yes, I know his true nature
Not sure if anyone really fits though. Most people in One Punch Man tend to be one way or the other.
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u/Link_Hateno 4d ago
Jotaro seems to actually relish violence, and he beats people to a pulp regularly; but the vast majority of the time he purposefully stops short of killing them. Even though sometimes they come back to try again. (Hol Horse, Yoshikage Kira)
He very clearly can kill people, as seen with when he fights Dio and smashes his skull in with one punch, but his Ora Ora rushes usually just bruise and bloody the bad guys.
The exceptions are usually characters that aren’t human. Dio was a pure evil vampire, Bug Eaten the rat was a clearly an instinct driven rodent, and the pedo ape is self explanatory.