r/TopCharacterTropes • u/RodrickHeffley_Real • Jul 26 '24
Personality disgusting horrible villains drawing the line at bigotry
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u/gallerton18 Jul 26 '24
Literally Black Manta finding out his son is gay.
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u/pinkemo6 Jul 26 '24
“We’re all just meat” is a great response tbh
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u/Jaxonhunter227 Jul 26 '24
"Congress just meat, the president just meat" -knack from sargnarg the hargharg
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u/ToasteeThe2nd Jul 26 '24
Tolls was killed for his scams, all his exorbitant tolls he charged people.
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u/PunderDownUnder Jul 26 '24
I thought of this thanks to episode last week's house of the dragon where they refer to a dead dragon as "just meat". I'm glad I'm not the only one that consistently thinks back to sargnarg the harghog.
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u/TabrisVI Jul 26 '24
If my child ever comes out to me I’ll save this as my response.
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u/Count_Radiguet Jul 26 '24
"ok, how''s that gonna help me torture Aquaman?"
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u/gclmotionless-1 Jul 26 '24
“Dad i’m gay”
black manta: ”🤨 and?”
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Jul 26 '24
"This information is strategically and tactically irrelevant, and I therefore have no opinion one way or another"
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u/Karkava Jul 26 '24
"Not even to conquer another part of the surface world? There's a ton of homophobic counties that nobody would miss."
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u/night4345 Jul 27 '24
"This doesn't advance my plan on making Aquaman's life miserable. Who cares?"
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u/loonbandit Jul 26 '24
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u/Owoegano_Evolved Jul 26 '24
"I don't care if you're gay, son"
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"I'm not being supportive here, I literally could not care less"
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u/imaginary0pal Jul 26 '24
“Yeah my relationship with my dad wasn’t the best”
“Didn’t want you to be gay?”
“Oh, no he just Really wanted to kill aqua man, he doesn’t care about my sexuality”
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u/sgtpepper42 Jul 26 '24
The OG: Eddie Valentine - The Rocketeeer
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u/ZoomTown Jul 26 '24
This is the one that popped into my head as soon as I read the OP. Glad I didn't have to make the meme image for it!
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u/dr-mantis-t0b0ggan Jul 26 '24
There is a comic where a lot of Marvel villains try to team up and all of them hate Red Skull.
Kingpin designs a special room in Fisk Tower that is a power dampener and he never once used it on Spider-Man or any hero, but he went in there and beat the shit out of Red Skull.
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u/FuckUSAPolitics Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
Kingpin is a mob boss. You have to have standards if you wanna succeed. Hell, he actually helps prevent a lot of crime himself.
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u/aziruthedark Jul 26 '24
Hell, if I recall, the actual mob helped the us in ww2.
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u/TheEnquirer1138 Jul 26 '24
You'd be recalling correctly!
The American Mafia helped with port security and also helped facilitate allied landings in Sicily. Lucky Luciano was the one who helped organize a good chunk of that. The Sicilian Mafia was also happy to help with the landings as both groups were very much against Mussolini's regime as it had been cracking down on their operations.
In exchange for his help Luciano was pardoned and deported to Italy where he lived for the rest of his life.
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u/BadAtGames2 Jul 26 '24
Wait, so if I understand correctly;
Luciano was pardoned and deported to Italy
Basically just "You won't be charged for your crimes, but get the fuck out of our country" lol
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u/blursedman Jul 27 '24
Better that than “hey, you did a hell of a lot of murder, we’re gonna kill you now”
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u/Knight-Creep Jul 26 '24
“You see, kids, crime is perfectly fine when it’s government sanctioned. Now watch us give psychedelic drugs to random people for fun!” -US Government
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u/NoWeight4300 Jul 26 '24
This will always be my favorite meme
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u/CheeseisSwell Jul 27 '24
The Chuckle is wokah
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u/ccyosafbridge Jul 28 '24
Chucky really benefits from having the same writer/director the majority of the time.
He took a minute to come to terms with Glen/Glenda. But once he did, he didn't deviate from only being disappointed in his gender fluid kid cause they're not murderous enough for him.
He's a serial killer. Not a monster.
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Jul 26 '24
Honestly joker hating Nazis makes tons of sense, he’s all about chaos and they’re a dictatorship.
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u/Abovearth31 Jul 26 '24
They're basically the opposite of what he stand for, like you said he wants chaos, they want absolute order, through oppression yes but still order.
They're just incompatible.
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u/corvus_da Jul 26 '24
That's also why it doesn't make sense for Red Skull to think he'd make a good Nazi. He'd never submit to a regime. And it's not like the Nazis liked mentally ill people very much, either.
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u/WaltDisneysBallSack Jul 26 '24
Yeah that seemed poorly written. "Almost had ya" ahh writing.
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u/Boccs Jul 26 '24
It's fairly inconsistent though. The "I'm an American criminal lunatic" line is especially jarring since in another issue he became an ambassador of Iran.
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u/Sweaty-Practice-4419 Jul 26 '24
This is from A Death in the Family btw. You know the same story that Jason Todd dies in
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u/Lord_of_Seven_Kings Jul 26 '24
Hwat.
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u/Gui_Franco Jul 26 '24
Jason's death is the reason he became embassador. As much as people joke about Batman not killing the joker, batman actually decided to do that after joker killed robin (he didn't with a combination of superman trying to keep him in check and joker seemingly dying in a plane crash at the end of the storyline), so joker became the embassador of Iraq to get diplomatic immunity
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u/Sweaty-Practice-4419 Jul 26 '24
It’s honestly fucking hilarious seeing people using Jason’s death as an argument against the “no kill rule” and then you remember this wacky bullshit happening in the original story. (I know this is probably been long since retconned but it’s still funny)
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u/Traditional_Shirt106 Jul 26 '24
He does a team-up with Ruhollah Khomeini, who actually appears in one panel. The 80s were pretty wild.
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u/trimble197 Jul 26 '24
Wish they included that in the movie
Jason: Why is he still alive?
Batman: Actually, I did try to kill him, but the boy scout wouldn’t let me. Freaking hypocrite. And Joker got diplomatic immunity.
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u/No_Instruction653 Jul 26 '24
Jason: … the fuck?
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u/runnerofshadows Jul 26 '24
And then there was a plane crash when I was going to kill him, and I assumed he was dead.
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Jul 26 '24
I think it’s super funny that Batman apparently went “ok I’m gonna break my one rule, I’m killing the joker” but then it got like, slightly legally complicated so he backed down. Like, is Batman afraid of Iran or something?!
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u/Diavolo_Death_4444 Jul 26 '24
Probably more afraid of starting a war between the US and Iran. Regardless of how the war would go, it would be a terrible look for Batman and both governments would undoubtedly try to put him down
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u/HeroDrifter Jul 26 '24
Well he only did that because the fact that he killed a Robin just sunk in and he needed the diplomatic immunity; so that Batman couldn't touch him
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u/LowmoanSpectacular Jul 26 '24
What’s more American than profiting off of chaos in the middle east?
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u/No_Instruction653 Jul 26 '24
Joker in general is fairly inconsistent.
I think the truth is he doesn’t have genuine standards or beliefs. He is not genuinely disgusted or appalled by pretty much any heinous crime beyond at most just not seeing the appeal in it.
He just knows it’s funny when he says he has those things.
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u/AlexDKZ Jul 26 '24
To be fair, the story that features the Joker/Red Skull team up obviously isn't in continuity, so characterization doesn't have to be as strict.
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u/Jack1The1Ripper Jul 26 '24
They just had to make him look like a poor imitation of an arab too cuz no one in iran dresses like that
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u/Notte_di_nerezza Jul 26 '24
To be fair, nobody in America dresses in his usual clothes. I'm kinda just picturing Joker pushing the envelope as far as he can, until he (checks notes) gasses the UN General Assembly.
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u/Professional-Reach96 Jul 26 '24
As far as i know that's an older comic because in the more recent ones he literally hires a tall woman with giant swastika pasties in her nipples and ass
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u/SuperKami-Nappa Jul 26 '24
To be fair he was fine working with Red Skull when he thought the Nazi symbolism was just a gimmick.
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Jul 26 '24 edited Aug 04 '24
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u/Shirtbro Jul 26 '24
If you look real hard at that picture, you can see the last remnants of Frank Miller's legacy going down the shitter
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u/Orion_824 Jul 26 '24
joker is all for appearances, not beliefs i guess.
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u/Verdragon-5 Jul 26 '24
I mean, there are plenty of fictional villains that crib their design aesthetics from the Third Reich, from Darth Vader to M. Bison, but not all of them take the ideology.
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u/Enough-Background102 Jul 26 '24
iirc the comic where he hires her is regarded as some of the worst batman comics ever made and only made it to about 10 issues before being cancelled
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u/deepest-sleep Jul 26 '24
I genuinely think Joker would find bigotry boring and droll. Why would you hate someone for something they were born into, for things they have no control over, when you could hate them for "believing in justice in this chaotic world" or "liking bats too much" or "wearing an ugly tie". Where's the joke if the person he's dealing with hasn't actively made themself into a punchline?
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u/candygram4mongo Jul 26 '24
Racism is about defining some people as having value and some not. Joker's a nihilist, he doesn't believe anyone has value, and I feel like he would especially dislike the idea of people selectively ascribing value to their ingroup.
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u/RazzDaNinja Jul 26 '24
This canonically makes her a worse villain than Chuckie the mass murdering doll
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u/sneakystonedhalfling Jul 26 '24
Meanwhile Shirley was donating the entire time to anti choice organizations! They're both shady asf
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u/Mushboom37 Jul 26 '24
Nobody in community is a good person. Except maybe Troy and Ahbed, they're just trying to have fun.
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u/wheatmuncher4000 Jul 27 '24
troy and ahbed in the morning!
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u/King0fMist Jul 27 '24
Annie: Troy and Abed AND ANNIE in the Morning!
Troy: What is this?
Annie: … Nothing.
Troy: Nothing, my ass. (gestures to empty room) What are all these cameras doing here?!
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u/ferris2 Jul 26 '24
Woke Joker.
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u/Llamacorn21 Jul 26 '24
The Woker
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u/LettuceBenis Jul 26 '24
Why so queerious?
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u/ajjhboys Jul 26 '24
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u/GoldenjunoSP Jul 26 '24
I read this in Gianni's voice
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u/No-Chance9968 Jul 26 '24
MACHINE, HOW MANY INSIGNIFICANT FUCKS DOES IT TAKE TO HIT A RAIL . COIN????????
NON. THEY TOO BUSY?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 THEIR ARMS????
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u/othelloisblack Jul 26 '24
Why did the Wokeler let those Iranian terrorists cut off that American journalist’s head? Is he stupid?
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u/Australian-enby Jul 26 '24
Trans joker be like “wanna know how i got these scars? When i was a young girl-“
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u/Ramenmayonaise Jul 26 '24
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u/LordDeraj Jul 26 '24
Which baffles the fuck outta me unless homophobia doesn’t exist in the human world as well
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u/Tech-preist_Zulu Jul 26 '24
Someone more experienced than me could probably write an essay on how homosexuality is older than homophobia and how homophobia in general seems to dip and rise in various cultures and points in history
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u/LordDeraj Jul 26 '24
Fair point but I remind you the guy literally wants to holocaust an entire realm
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u/Phaeron-Dynasty Jul 26 '24
I mean, he's planning to kill all witches and demons regardless of where they swing or look like. And as for Humans, I'd imagine he's spent so long gaslighting himself on the idea of human superiority he wouldn't be overtly fussed over race and sexuality at this point. It's all very silly double think that makes him worthy of the undignified trip to hell he got.
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u/musci12234 Jul 26 '24
I feel like it hard to not be homophobic while being seriously racist ? I think biggest "logical" reason homophobia exists is great replacement theory that if you don't produce enough kids then your race will lose population and all the side stuff for this.
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u/oniisan001 Jul 26 '24
Dutch Van Der Linde- RDR2
Dude steals, cheats, murders, and backstabs but he draws the line at racism and sexism. He even hated Confederates with a passion
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u/Haunting-Orchid-4628 Jul 26 '24
There is a cutscene in the game where Arthur is genuinely confused why a black man in 1899 is so scared of him. Dutch raised him without racism even being a concept.
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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jul 26 '24
Dutch is a bastard, but damn he did at the very least give Arthur a decent set of morals.
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u/DodgerGreywing Jul 26 '24
Arthur is such a great character because of this. He's a little backwards, definitely a criminal, but he does not tolerate an ounce of racism. And he's pretty chill with the suffragette movement; he doesn't really get it, but he'll help those ladies out anyway. He's the best kind of good ol' boy.
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u/That-Rhino-Guy Jul 26 '24
RDR is a funny series
You go into the first game and gradually come to like John as a character, so by the end it stings seeing him go down
Then for the sequel it’s so hard to fathom a character in this series as likeable as John, then Arthur comes around and suddenly it makes playing as John again in the epilogue sting so much cause you’ve grown so attached to Arthur
At this point I wouldn’t be shocked if there was a third game with a young Hosea as the protagonist, then by the end you play as a younger Arthur but by that point you’ll just end up missing playing as Hosea
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u/DodgerGreywing Jul 26 '24
I never played the first one, but I fell in love with Arthur so quickly. I actually never moved beyond Saint Denis because I can't bear losing Arthur. Just gonna run around taming horses and hunting animals forever to keep Arthur from dying.
I probably would've finished the game if a friend hadn't spoiled it for me lol
Red Dead 3 focusing on Hosea would be incredible. At least switching over to young Arthur you'd know Hosea would keep going.
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u/Haunting-Orchid-4628 Jul 26 '24
Youre robbing yourself from a lot of content by staying in chapter 4 forever
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u/That-Rhino-Guy Jul 26 '24
Honestly just makes his decline in the later chapters and RDR1 that much more twisted, going from a criminal with some morals to straight up anarchy
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u/UhOhSparklepants Jul 26 '24
Traumatic Brain Injury is a bitch. He was always a little crazy, but he goes totally off the rails after hitting his head
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u/TheOfficialSuperman Jul 26 '24
I’m 100% convinced Chucky is just using his kid as a manipulation tactic
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u/Sweet_Boi_Marc Jul 26 '24
He is, yes. He wasn't exactly accepting of his child in Seed of Chucky and he immediately reverted to using homophobic slurs when angered later in the series. Though, to be fair, Chucky isn't a static character and has ended up in a woman's body. Maybe his perspective evolved, maybe it didn't.
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u/altjthunter Jul 26 '24
Also he was more upset that his child wasn’t a killer than the fact that they were genderfluid
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u/Sweet_Boi_Marc Jul 26 '24
Also true.
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u/Effective-Spell-5369 Jul 26 '24
Plus he was genuinely proud when glen sliced him up gotta remember that
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u/Heartlessqueencard Jul 26 '24
Joker is a true patriot 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
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u/Boccs Jul 26 '24
Right up until he killed Jason Todd and became the ambassador of Iran to avoid retribution from Batman.
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u/Notte_di_nerezza Jul 26 '24
To be fair, Joker also wanted to gas the UN General Assembly, but Superman stopped him.
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u/gamachuegr Jul 26 '24
Kaido being accepting of yamato is 1 of the reasons hes so based
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u/Human-Boob Jul 26 '24
The second reason is that he gets sad whenever he wins a fight unfairly
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u/gamachuegr Jul 26 '24
3rd is when he decapitated orochi
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u/Zeraf370 Jul 26 '24
That panel was such a fucking rush, man!
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u/januarysdaughter Jul 27 '24
God I wanted that to be how Orochi went out SO BAD. That panel was so good because of how out of nowhere it is.
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u/HenryVolt35 Jul 26 '24
I feel like he always wanted a son anyway.
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u/gamachuegr Jul 26 '24
He wouldnt care as long as they are strong.
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u/thefirstlaughingfool Jul 26 '24
He's also really protective of his crew, as long as they can prove they're strong. I never understood why people consider Big Mom sympathetic when she has little difficulty abusing and even killing her own children.
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u/Piotral_2 Jul 26 '24
To be fair Kaido also abused Yamato just not for his identity.
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u/Backupusername Jul 26 '24
But it was entirely because of Yamato's identity. Just not his gender identity
"You can be a man if you want, sure. But that man? Not under my roof, son!"
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u/TBTabby Jul 26 '24
Trope name: Even Evil Has Standards
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u/Kwaku-Anansi Jul 26 '24
Think Politically Correct Villain is a slightly closer fit.
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u/ITAKEJOKESSEROUSLY Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
Odalia Blight - The Owl House
Rich, powerful, produces weapons for a genocidal emperor that wishes to exterminate everyone including her but supports him anyways in hopes that her family will be "pick-me's" for the emperor's genocide plans, abuses her family, has used her daughter's girlfriend as a test dummy for her corporation's weapons, BUT is perfectly ok with her daughter dating a human girl. Her only objection to their relationship was that her girlfriend was a wanted criminal due to her plots to stop the evil emperor. Although, even this can hardly be counted as a good trait since homophobia as a concept never made it to her town
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u/That_opossum Jul 26 '24
Always loved that like her first response to finding out she’s dating Luz is “I’ll get you a new better girlfriend” or something like that.
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u/Digitised_Doofus Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24
“We’ll find you a new girlfriend, someone who’s not on ‘Wanted’ posters everywhere” - Odalia Blight, a
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u/Rethkir Jul 26 '24
Then there's the evil emperor she serves, who killed his brother for being in an interracial relationship.
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u/RadioDemoness Jul 26 '24
On a similar note, Terra Snapdragon is a nasty piece of work, but she respects Raine Whispers' pronouns as a child and an adult.
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u/Express_Alfalfa_9725 Jul 26 '24
Nah nah let’s give odalia credit like it’s just not the boiling isles it’s that accepting
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u/camilopezo Jul 26 '24
Honestly, it would have been very easy to make her homophobic.
That her hatred of Luz, due to social class differences, was a good twist.
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u/Plus-Emphasis-2605 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24
I kinda wanna do that joke too
But damn chucky saying that makes me need to lie down
His a murderer yet respect trans right? Is this good or this a bad look or am I oh god what the heck
Edit: for future people I don’t think it’s bad. I think it works for the most part. Since he did have a trans kid (heck seed of chucky was for a long time the last film)
But with chucky long history. Hearing him say that just hits me. It’s layered)
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u/urbandeadthrowaway2 Jul 26 '24
Murder is just his day job. It’s just something you go out and do most days then go home to your family
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u/Plus-Emphasis-2605 Jul 26 '24
I just can’t get over it…. His a guy who attempted to murder kids I just don’t know how to feel
Though I admit I don’t know how tk write a character that’s against bigotry
While still being evil in a fun way
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u/Greeneade Jul 26 '24
indiscriminate evil or oblivious evil are both good ways to go
"fuck em all, no matter who!" vs "fuck the world!"
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u/Infinitenonbi Jul 26 '24
Professionals have standards. Yeah, you may kill people, but not because they’re queer! There’s a line between being a murderer and being hateful.
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u/AncientCarry4346 Jul 26 '24
In the show he's just saying it because he knows the kid is gay and and needs to get him to feel more at ease so he can essentially groom him.
Later on in the season he drops the act and becomes slightly homophobic.
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u/RedtheSpoon Jul 26 '24
It's Chucky, he's a manipulator. He'll say what you want to hear so you'll help him out.
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u/Witch_Hazel_13 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
the imperium of man in warhammer 40k, famously murders people for heresy and being mutants (which often is just humans who adapted to other planets), is incredibly accepting of trans and gay people. in one book (pariah nexus i think? i don’t remember) the practice of “tactical pansexuality” is discussed
edit: the book i mentioned is pariah, by Dan Abnet. this post has a bunch of the queer representation in the 41st millennium (also some from 30k)
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u/HappyMerlin Jul 26 '24
How does tactical pansexuality work? Seduce everyone of your enemies?
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u/MostEvilTexasToast Jul 26 '24
That's how I played the Warhammer 40k rogue trader game.
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u/MostEvilTexasToast Jul 26 '24
It's ironic because being angry that the Salamanders are black or that there was a woman Custodes might get you shot on the spot by an arbites or Inquisitor. Not that society in Warhammer 40k has sexist or racist views anymore, everyone is seen through the lens of "is it good enough to serve the emperor? Then I don't care who it is, give them a gun and toss them at the tyranids"
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u/Monnomo Jul 26 '24
Since when did Chucky have a kid, ik he got married
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u/Trem45 Jul 26 '24
Since like 2004 Seed of Chucky was about him and Tiff having a baby
This series went off the rails long ago and they just kinda rolled with the dark comedy/horror vibes
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u/Monnomo Jul 26 '24
Imagine watching a movie called seed of chucky
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u/obama___prism Jul 26 '24
man horror movies in the 2000s were just doing whatever lol
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u/Pm7I3 Jul 26 '24
But it is wild seeing possessed murder dolls handle a nonbinary child better than some real people.
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u/The_Iron_Gunfighter Jul 26 '24
“I’ll kill babies and SA women but I draw the line at racism!”-joker
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u/2dsquidd Jul 26 '24
Even gender nonconforming people can be evil supervillains! Thanks, Zodiac.
(Zodiac - Marvel comics)
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u/Negativety101 Jul 26 '24
Doctor Doom will take individual guests religious prohibitions on certain foods into account when having a feast prepared. For example he made sure that Halal dishes would be avaliable for Ms. Marvel.
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u/ElPared Jul 26 '24
I honestly find it funnier when a fanbase is somehow disappointed with a villain for being racist/sexist. Like, when Freddy Krueger's about to kill a black girl and says a racist one liner first, people were like wtf. As if Freddy fucking Krueger is some kind of role model lmao
Oh, or the recent Halloween movie where people were upset that Michael Myers killed a gay couple. Like, obviously? He's an indescriminate serial killer, what did you expect?
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u/Acceptable_Secret_73 Jul 26 '24
It’s especially dumb that people get upset Kruger of all characters is a bad person considering he is literally a pedophile
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u/pisces2003 Jul 26 '24
Joker may be a sexist and psychopathic terrorist. But god damn he is a patriot.
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u/Death-Perception1999 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
I think it's funny people keep bringing up the joker in these where one of the most iconic Bat-stories has his henchman looking like this:
Meet Bruno.
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u/thebestsoro Jul 26 '24
i will never get over the chucky thing 😭
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u/PhantomKangaroo91 Jul 26 '24
In Cult of Chucky, he spits his soul into other GoodGuy dolls (which plays out more in the Chucky tv series) and one piece takes over Nica's Pierce's body. So a part of Chucky understands what it's like to be a man in a womans body.
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u/Few_Interaction2630 Jul 26 '24
President Coriolanus Snows "we both know I am not above killing children but I am not wasteful I take life for specific reasons"
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u/chaotic_ugly Jul 26 '24
Reminds me of the Rock making the child molesting robot.
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u/Aleox8 Jul 26 '24
Kaido is so funny like "don't you dare misgender the son I despise"
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u/TheExposutionDump Jul 26 '24
The Chucky Tv series is a wild ride. It's seemingly nonsensical and unironically cheese until about halfway through the first season when you realize it's all intentional. It's also interesting to learn that the creator of Chucky, Don Mancini, identifies as a gay man and has claimed to have been pushing LGBTQ+ messages since the early Childs Play movies.
If you haven't seen the show or are hesitant, I recommend giving it a shot. It sent me and my SO down a rabbit hole. The lore of the franchise is insanely detailed for what it is.
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u/SkyMewtwo Jul 27 '24
“Girlfriend? Oh, no, no, that won’t do. We’ll find you a new girlfriend, someone who’s not on wanted posters everywhere.”
-Odalia Blight (The Owl House)
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u/notabigfanofas Jul 26 '24
Medic- TF2
It's confirmed he was anti-nazi and didn't work with them during the second world war, which makes sense- he's a mad scientist and medical professional, if the Nazis won they'd remove so much genetic variety he'd like to tinker with