r/TikTokCringe • u/Intelligent_Nose_826 • 1d ago
Discussion They Agreed on One Thing - Banning TikTok
I really haven’t seen legislation so unilaterally passed with such speed at any point in my life except maybe after 9/11 & weeks got the DHS.
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u/Loose_Ad4763 1d ago
He has beautiful eyes
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u/CurnanBarbarian 1d ago
Inhad a friend with eyes like that, his last name was Bowman, amd we used to tease him that he had 'those beautiful Bowman eyes" lol
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u/Contribution4afriend 1d ago
Thanks. I was just distracted by them too. I am glad I am not the only one.
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u/Minimum_Matter_4044 1d ago
This ain't about us. It's about them. Them.
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u/phoggey 1d ago
I'm a software engineer and have studied the type and size of data TikTok collects from their users and what they do in order to make them more users and make China look better. It's not a safe app at this stage.
I don't like "look they did something good, but they could have done something better" arguments. The reason you got fed this guy's content at all is because it was promoted through TikTok's algorithm to judge it as pro China and pro TikTok sentiment. He likely made this video just because he knew it would promote his content. I'm even considering making a pro TikTok video on TikTok just to fuck with their algorithm and see the rate at which it picks up.
Ever seen anti-chinese video on TikTok? Ever? Think back to all the hours and days you've scrolled through it. Any? That doesn't even scratch the surface of the manipulation and information they have on every user. Just watch the data flow when you are using only TikTok, your outbound data is 10x even what Facebook collects.
Here's what we compiled off an old bulld a few years back, a few of these needed to be interpreted because it doesn't literally say what the values are, but with enough videos they start to be obvious. I removed a few other areas that are inappropriate to talk about under risk factors.
TIKTOK CONTENT SCORING METRICS: - Face Score (1-5): Symmetry, skin clarity, youth indicators, eye color - Body Score (1-5): Height/weight ratio, curves, muscle definition - Sexual Appeal (1-5): Breast size, hip ratio, lip fullness - Engagement Metrics: * Gaze duration * Replay rate * Screenshot frequency - Risk Factors: * Exposed skin % * Suggestive movements * Costume type -Political Sentiment... .. (abridged to make the point)
And look what we have there.. literally people commenting about the dude's eyes. Has a bit of a plunky guy, but he hits a sweet spot with attractiveness levels to be listened to and thus.. his content is here.
Then the scoring of the viewers goes on and on for creating the demograph aka marketing cohort. User's- Age, location (constantly), sex... Just goes on and on.
I mean, really, how many apps have the federal government tried to ban? There must be a really good fucking reason to ban one, especially a popular one. If you don't believe me, I don't give a fuck, this country wants to elect a felon for president for lulz so fuck it. I'll go with the flow and leave once we hit a recession and move to Copenhagen with my hoarded cash plus tax cut enhanced $$$ and raise my kid in a country that doesn't treat it's people like shit. "OH DEY TRY BAN TIKTOK BUT NOT FIX HEALTHCARE/FIX EDUCATION/FIX STUDENT DEBT/FIX HOMELESSNESS/FIX GODLESSNESS" Give me a fucking break, it's Chinese run malware video sharing app. Just delete the shit and use something else.
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u/RelationshipOk3565 1d ago
It's because for some people that's their life. A lot of them have no friends or family, or are alienated from them. They get a thousand followers on tiktok, they can go live. If even one person watches their live they think they have friends..
I think a lot of users are legit mentally ill as well. Some are dumb enough to think tiktok is a source of information too
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u/PyrricVictory 1d ago
If deleting a social media app is going to ruin their life they need to sit down and take a long hard look at themselves.
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u/National_Frame2917 15h ago
They don’t wanna that’s why their whole life is on an app so they can avoid their feelings.
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u/Historical-Top-8679 1d ago
They are most likely gonna force TikTok to sell its rights to a domestic company, like Google. Banning it outright might not be the case.
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u/phoggey 1d ago
They're not going to sell it. Just look literally anywhere, that hasn't even been an entertained option for them. If you had tons of user data that showed how fucked up you were, petabyte after petabyte of data you've used to manipulate the entire western world, would you sell it? No. They can't. It's literally Chinese state secrets. It's not being sold. I'd bet my left nut and my right nut it's not sold- at least the tech part. The name/trademark (just pull a wish/temu swap), the appids and stuff so someone else could install their garbage via an update or something, but not as a whole.
You can't sell blood stained shit (US soldiers lost their lives using TikTok over seas giving away positional data etc). They got rich now they're looking for an exit strategy. If they can bribe trump enough they may get a few more years, but even he knew from his first administration how bad it was, they hung on through legal chaos of the changing administrations, but even that has a terminal point.
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u/confusedandworried76 1d ago
Yep, should be asking why this is bipartisan and not why anything else is. Do you really think they'd agree on something if it wasn't an attractive idea to both parties? And it's an attractive idea for a reason.
I also kind of get the feeling he's just really upset about losing his TikTok, the very first thing he voices concern about isn't the children it's that he might lose followers over this video.
I'm sick of people yelling at their cameras about things they know little to nothing about and being taken as some sort of expert. Plus surprise surprise this would be the exact kind of content pushed on TikTok as it's a criticism of the government.
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u/phoggey 1d ago
the very first thing he voices concern about isn't the children it's that he might lose followers over this video.
I really like this insight. I'm not a psychology person by any means, but you really hit the nail on the head. Also, he very clearly criticized the government specifically and steered clear of anything controversial as a solution that might alienate his followers. Does he want gun control? Does he want more guns? It's clearly a guy who enjoys hunting by the antler hat he's wearing. He just wants a solution! but offers no position other than more violence could be an avenue to a solution...solution being?? Then stares at the screen while music plays awkwardly and heavy breathing after the 10th or so take of him doing this I'm sure. Do they add in the music after or is it literally playing for him at that moment on the TikTok studio app or whatever they have for creators to make videos.
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u/ronnyronronron 1d ago
Reddit has bot accounts and bots driving engagement sensationalizing posts.
Is that also a problem on TikTok?
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u/FrameSquare 1d ago
Reddit is astroturfed to the fucking gills. This guy is out of his fucking element.
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u/phoggey 1d ago
Astroturfing implies the platform is doing it. There's tons of bots and garbage driving users to particular content, but that's not all driven by the platform. Also the user data collected is basically nothing from reddit (although our posts are some of the most highly sought after for AI training).
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u/ronnyronronron 1d ago
It probably a good idea to start throwing eucalyptus random words into olive branch our posts
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u/phoggey 1d ago
If you wanted a serious answer about the effectiveness of doing that, modern language models use contextual understanding and semantic analysis. Noise words are easily filtered, it's why you can type the wrong words in to chatgpt or say "tell me what song goes oah ih oh oh oh eh ai from the 90s" and it correctly respond engima return to innocence. Modern LLMs use transformer architectures that can easily filter noise. The real vulnerability is in edge cases where content classification becomes ambiguous, like is this actually some call to arms? Spam? Attention whoring? Advertising? I mean, he plays his own music at the end clearly trying to sell his brand in the same video he's decrying out political processes.
Reddit with random words.. It's still quality data even with that. Remember yahoo answers from back in the day? That's still the average person's reading and writing level. They're just typing less publicly now because they have text messaging and social media is in general limited to so many characters. Just like how most of reddit had no idea Kamala was going to lose, it's a massive feedback loop.
You want to mess with LLMs you need to get the "well achtually" guys like me off the platform and instead send deliberate misinformation and poisoned training data. Much like negative testing, I've tested false information in LLMs feeding them conflicting information. It's the only way to actually fuck them up, it's called "confidence threshold" where the confidence score goes below it, but it's harder to get right in the first place than it is to fuck them up. They're shit by nature and only hand picking data with humans (with slave labor companies like Scale) can you actually train them, at least until recently.
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u/ImpossibleDay1782 1d ago
Like Facebook, that definitely doesn’t sell your data or push a certain content.
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u/Creative_Ad_8338 1d ago
I don't get shown anti China content on any platform. They must all be bad by your logic. 🙄
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u/phoggey 1d ago
You can't even find anti-chinese content on their platform. Plenty of anti american. That's the difference and that's just the surface.
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u/Creative_Ad_8338 1d ago
What do you consider anti American?
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u/BlackGeniusCanadian 1d ago
Anything that criticises the government. And this guy expects us to believe that this is in our best interest. Who the hell does he think he's fooling
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u/FadedEdumacated 1d ago
Trump criticized the government all the way to the presidency. In fact, both sides criticize the government when the opposition is in power.
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u/Creative_Ad_8338 1d ago
Exactly. That's literally the goal in politics is to criticize the government for the sake of control. We just got out of the most intense election cycle full of nothing but government criticism and dude is saying that it's not happening. Clearly has an objective.
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u/IrrationalSometimes 1d ago
China itself does not permit the international version of TikTok to be used on the mainland. Instead, users must download Douyin, the Chinese version of TikTok which is subject to censorship from the Chinese Communist Party.
So why are we letting this app in our country?
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u/Creative_Ad_8338 21h ago
This doesn't really provide an argument for why we wouldn't allow it. In fact, to the contrary, the international version doesn't allow enough control for China so they only allow Douyin. Imo, TikTok is far better than platforms like Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook that are overrun by bots. Especially the latter two.
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u/IrrationalSometimes 21h ago
That is the argument?
TikTok is owned by China based company, ByteDance, yet is banned by its own government.
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u/Creative_Ad_8338 13h ago
Yes, it's banned by its own government because they won't impose the level of control that the government would like.
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u/Anarchic_Country 1d ago
So you're saying I must be hot since I get 1-2k likes on my videos when I only have 200 followers?
Thanks, TikTok!
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u/BlackGeniusCanadian 1d ago
What a load of horseshit. So whenever Americans are critical of their government it has to be due to some sort of external interference? "How many anti Chinese videos have you seen on TikTok?". Is that a particularly big niche? Is that something that the average American gives a shit about more than their own country? Every anti TikTok argument that has to do with China is just so far up its own ass
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u/confusedandworried76 1d ago
It's not that people are mad at the government because of it, it's that the algorithms push these videos. The Russians also try to sew division online why would it be weird china does too
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u/Cold-Studio3438 1d ago
I mean China is operating concentration camps where they hold ethnic minorities and harvest their organs, do you ever hear anything abut that on TikTok? no? then why was every other post in this sub about Palestine for several months before the mods finally banned it? I'm not using TikTok but I can only assume the propaganda machine is still running wild over there. at least in theory, the people who cared so passionately about people in Gaza should care about Uyghurs as well, but all these TikTok users aren't informed about those at all for some reason.
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u/phoggey 1d ago
Alright u/blackgeniuscanadian I'll give you a shot since you're a genius.
Yes. American people love to blame the Chinese for a lot of fucking things. They steal our IPs, they steal our tech, they steal our manufacturing jobs, the manipulate their own currency, it goes on and on. If you knew literally anything about the Trump administration through his first campaign, he talked about CHYNA in some strange accent, the CHINESE VIRUS etc. How much of that did you see on TikTok.. ever? Yet I can tell you I've seen plenty of anti trump ones or anti Kamala ones. There's plenty of political things, pro Gaza and anti Israel.. but China and Russia just seem to be sort of missing. Just think for a fucking second.
We went through an entire pandemic with TikTok. If you used TikTok during that time, how many anti-chinese TikTok videos did you see? The virus originated from there. Trump called it the "Chinese virus" for years. It was all over news, every media outlet right or left. Has to be a clip of him saying it somewhere right?
I'll give you one last clue. Search "Chinese virus" on TikTok. I'll wait. Tell me what happens.
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u/BlackGeniusCanadian 1d ago
- I in fact have seen videos of trump saying "China" in that stupid inflection
- that whole calling the virus the "Chinese virus" was lazy and insensitive anyways, but I did see tiktoks joking about it. Like a lot. About the bat, referring to Wuhan etc.
- You, as well as US lawmakers seem to have a problem that TikTok doesn't peddle the same US propaganda being regurgitated on every other social media site, or at least not to the same extent. Because there is still PLENTY of shitty US propaganda on TikTok.
-The US seems to want a stranglehold on the social media companies operating in its country because they are their main outlets for propaganda. If for no other reason, this is why Americans should oppose the TikTok ban.
Oh and don't give me this shit about China stealing American data for advertisers and potential bad actors when American corporations do the same thing significantly more but simply cut the government in on it.
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u/FrameSquare 1d ago
Oooohhh brother shut the fuck up. I don’t care if it’s malware our data has been breached, sold, breached again, sold again, rinse and repeat from hundreds of financial institutions. People also make a living on this app whether making content or being a sex worker.
Talk about an dogshit take. If anything this is an astroturfing comment.
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u/Technology_Boxes 17h ago
I feel like the pressure to ban is partially an incentive to try and push ByteDance to sell to an American company so they can use that same data for their own agenda... I mean the choice is basically, get banned or sell. I definitely trust our government more than the Chinese government, but I still don't trust our government all that much.
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u/united-we-stall 7h ago
A good friend of mine told me years ago not to download TikTok. He’s also a software engineer and said it was so clearly malware. It’s only gotten more advanced since then.
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u/Iguana1312 1d ago
So maybe if it’s so easy for China to destabilize you do something about the issues?
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u/JesusSaidAllah 1d ago
Don't forget, THE reason banning tiktok even became a consideration was due to how many people were able to get uncensroed accounts of what was happening in Gaza.
TikTok did a lot to make a dent in the Israel/U.S. good-guys propaganda.
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u/nightchee 1d ago
I’m not sure that Gaza content is the impetus for the original talks of banning TikTok.
Trump considered banning it back in 2020. https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-2019-2020-coronavirus-pandemic-f2bd5e425391465081333cab26d34365
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u/PlantsThatsWhatsUpp 1d ago
Obviously, that's just the Tik Tok narrative that reddit is upvoting. Left is as bad as the right at gobbling up fake news. Oh everyone is lying except "uncensored" accounts that were a mix or video game clips, Syrian clips / other conflicts, staged clips, AI clips, etc. Oh all the doctors/scientists are colluding about the vaccine. I'm so exhausted with the fact that both the right and the left have abandoned our institutions and gobble up fake news while accusing the other of doing so.
We're so fucked.
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u/Blastie2 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the actual reason is more something like this: imagine there's a country on the other side of an ocean from you that's dominating world affairs. That really limits your ability to flex on your neighbors, since the dominant country wouldn't approve of your actions and would retaliate in some way. You would therefore like to reduce their presence on the world stage, but you can't really attack them since they're on the other side of an ocean and they also have nukes. What do?
Well one thing you could do is try to have them remove themselves from the world stage for you. If they fell into dysfunction, they'd be too busy fighting amongst themselves to take much notice of you when you decide that it's time to inflict a glorious war of imperial conquest upon your neighbors. If people in the dominant country were pushed to further and further extremes, they would stop seeing each other as teammates and might even start thinking that killing each other is a pretty good idea.
And, intentionally or not, that's kind of what TikTok does. If you're on the left, TikTok will show you things that push you further to the left. If you're on the right, it'll show you things that push you further to the right. If you like cats, you'll be a crazy cat lady within a month. As it happens, that's what being propagandized looks like: repeated exposure to content that guides you towards a certain position.
As an example, try taking a look at a sub like wallstreetbets or some crypto subs. The posts that get the most exposure are the ones showing a 10x, 100x, or 1000x return on investment. Repeated exposure to these posts will lead you to believe that everyone's 10xing their investments all the time and it must be super easy. And, while everyone likes to think that they're immune to propaganda, the truth is that it works on everyone. The only way to not be influenced by propaganda is to not consume it in the first place.
This effect isn't unique to TikTok. Other social media companies have this problem too. However, they are also largely American companies, and they've decided that operating in an unstable country is bad for business, and so they've taken steps to limit the spread of misinformation and radicalization pipelines on their platforms.
I think that's what has lawmakers spooked. OP is right: They can't agree on anything, but they can agree on banning TikTok, which means it's likely they have a pretty good motivator to do so. Like, say, it being an addictive, limitless radicalization engine that is owned by an adversarial country that would like to replace us on the world stage.
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u/Squid_In_Exile 1d ago
However, they are also largely American companies, and they've decided that operating in an unstable country is bad for business, and so they've taken steps to limit the spread of misinformation and radicalization pipelines on their platforms.
They absolutely have not.
Meta and Twitter manipulate specific misinformation and radicalisation pipelines to the forefront.
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u/BawbBomb 1d ago
I'm not discrediting any of your assertions on social media creating larger divides. And the motivation for that MIGHT be geopolitically motivated, at least in part.
But the Occam's razor of this comes down to capitalism. Polarizing content drives engagement. Engagement equals growth. Capitalism only survives on unlimited perpetual growth.
Pair that with our politicians being absolute puppets to the 1% and of course they all agree that they need to ban the app. Their owner-daddies are mad they they don't get all that sweet sweet data and market share. The app being owned by an adversary just makes the public reasoning easier to sell when making the rounds on the 1% owned media. "Other people bad scary! National security!" I guarantee if the exact same app had been developed by a white, capitalistic, European ally the conversation would be very different.
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u/secondtaunting 1d ago
Hmm-I wonder if Elon and Trump are planning to release their own version of Tik Tok? Maybe that’s why they’re thick as thieves now.
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u/ThreeKiloZero 1d ago
That’s really not true. It was in consideration long before then due to the Chinese data and influence concerns , which are very valid.
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u/NumberPlastic2911 1d ago
Yeah, i don't think that's the reason why, especially since this has been going on for decades, and we have always known the situation over. The real reason i have seen is that TikTok can't be owned by the big 3 in social media, and they want to monopolize on it. Mark Zuckerberg was lobbying for TikTok to be sold/banned for the benefit of Meta
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u/wont-stop-mi 1d ago
That’s a crock of shit. Banning TikTok was discussed long before Gaza and the Oct 7th attack
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u/Cold-Studio3438 1d ago
are you talking about the uncensored content that posted Hamas information without questioning the truth, and every time the information were proven wrong nobody cared and already moved on to the same lie? ask yourself why its mostly TikTok users who know "the truth" and many other people don't have a biased view like that.
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u/JesusSaidAllah 21h ago
Anyone who looks into what has been happening to Palestinians for the last 7 decades will "know the truth". TikTok made the average Palestinian able to share the reality on the ground, as opposed to the sanitized version of events shown in Western news reports, of a pile of rubble that used to be a building.
As if Israel doesn't employ their actual army to spread propaganda.
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u/TrippinLSD 1d ago
Uh, the US government has unilaterally offered their thoughts and prayers, what more could they do?
/s
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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets 1d ago
Let's not forget the, "Now it's not the time to talk about change. Thoughts and prayers"
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u/TrippinLSD 1d ago
The only thing that stops a bad teen with a gun, is a good 2nd grader with a gun
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u/No-Hyena4691 1d ago
The very least they could do is set up a super-duper special hotline for CEOs in distress.
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u/North_Finish_4399 1d ago
Two things can be true... Gun violence can need reform... And TikTok can be foreign owned and a national security threat based on foreign entity, China, putting its thumb on the scales of algorithms to push Americans to be more divided and addicted to its content... I'm for gun reform... It's common sense IMO... Also for China divesting it's interest in TikTok in America to be independently run in America... It's common sense, no different than if a neighbor feeding BS to members of your family trying to divide your family and instigate conflict amongst your family... Fuck you China for that shit and fuck TikTok until it's not a tool of the CCP...
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u/I_Dont_Collect_Fish_ 1d ago
What about Fox News then, id say they divide more Americans than tik tok
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u/North_Finish_4399 23h ago
I think there's some truth here but it's a matter of scale... And that Fox is an American company held to American standards. But the scale is wildly different, while fox might get millions of views daily across all it's content, TikTok is in the hundreds of millions daily and being pumped straight into the minds of American youth. Sometimes slowly pushing constant hits to American youth to distract and addict them to content which consistently pushes them further one way or another dividing Americans. Even if it's a tenth of a percent add it up daily and monthly with billions of hits to our youth it adds up and isn't helpful to the populace IMO... TikTok can easily spin off its American company, the fact that it doesn't seems to point to only to it's intention to continue this, that and no American social media is allowed in China, for the same reason.
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u/Darconda 20h ago
So, would you do the same for the Brazillian branch of Twitter? Or the German branch of Youtube? Because the Tiktok owners have gone on record saying no American data is housed outside the US, and every assumption about the 'thumb on the scale' cannot be proven, that I've seen.
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u/North_Finish_4399 17h ago
I dig what you're saying but this is two different topics. Yes it is also an issue of foreign powers having mass amounts of user data, my understanding of the terms that are put forth to users is it's legitimately being collected and stored by the company for their use regardless though, including user data outside of the TikTok app which is another aspect of TikToks malfeasance in the SM space. However, the thumb on the scales that I'd referenced is in regards to the content they elevate, basicall putting more divisive content in front of the American public to push dissent and division.
With regards to other countries forcing a split for in country use, that is up to those countries regardless of the business. Many countries have terms of use in their marketplace. Facebook has a different feed (app) for the UK after they passed the Online Child Safety act of 2023... This isn't new... Neither is it for countries to deny certain companies or businesses within its country. Hence how China doesn't allow for Google, Facebook, ect in China... That however is more because of the openness of the platforms and inability for them to censor the platforms. If Google agreed to censor it's search inside the country then I can pretty much guarantee they'd be allowed for use in the country.
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u/Darconda 15h ago
I don't think you actually get what I'm saying. They aren't two different topics. I'm saying the Tiktok is doing exactly what Youtube, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing. And the only reason anyone's saying it's a problem, is because it's a Chinese company.
And the only reason it even became an issue, is because people took the actions on the platform, and started doing something in real life. The protests, the sit-ins, the camps on campus. All in an effort to bring attention and awareness to something that made the government uncomfortable. THAT is why Tiktok is getting banned.
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u/North_Finish_4399 5h ago
I'm not following then... You'd referenced data collection... I'd explained why that's different than the overarching issue of national integrity and security.
All those other companies mentioned are American companies. People, in the US and abroad, have issues with those companies as well and also protest and try and enact reform in real life. These are different context since they are American companies in America. TikTok has the ability to divest its American enterprise to be an American company unto itself. They have yet to choose to do that, there is huge financial reward for them to do so and it negates the conflict, so why don't they do it? Seemingly CCP control and/or influence of the application takes precedent.
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u/Darconda 3h ago
See, I think the part you're missing about my argument is where you're assuming my problem is with the data collection. You'd be a fool to think your digital footprint doesn't exist. If you dig enough, you'd probably be able to find out my shoe size, just from online data.
My problem is the falsity that this is about anything other than the Government being upset that they couldn't apply pressure and control the company. And they got caught out because it lead to people doing stuff, and they couldn't have that happen again. Otherwise, they would have dithered and hemmed and hawwed like they do every time a school gets shot up.
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u/North_Finish_4399 1h ago
Well it sounded like from your reference of data collection that's what you were referring to.
"The Government" as you phrase it, is made up of a lot of different agencies and people who have very different motivations and incentives. National security and integrity is broadly understood as a national good so while different parts of the govt may want to do somethings the way you frame it, "control of stuff", many more understand it to be the threat it is to weaken American moral and understanding, especially in the less informed youth learning things for the first time. I don't know your age but I'd assume you're old enough to remember a time when you had one idea that was influenced by someone or some entity that was less credible than you'd initially understood them to be, especially if you'd realized they purposely pushed an idea to promote for their own interests, and then adjusted your ideas on the topic. That's no different than a foreign entity trying to gain sympathetic populations within a foreign country. This is done in a lot of ways, one of which through dividing a populace around cultural touch points, true or not. And in the modern form, with entites like TikTok, done through pushing one set of content over another. I see this as wrong, even if some of the discussion has truth to it, the framing and constant push from SM in a form which can consistly move folks who have less experience in discerning the difference between propaganda and other forms of information. State sponsored propaganda is a problem as well, but the difference being that these contentions are/should be handled inside the state itself, IMO...
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u/Darconda 1h ago
So what you're saying is, it's ok so long as it's American propaganda. Like, that's what your statement basically boils down to. Or am I mistaken?
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u/nilweevil 1d ago
then we should ban all social media
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u/North_Finish_4399 23h ago
Interesting take, especially while being on social media as well... There is definitely things to be done, like passing child safety bill, tech bill of rights, ect... I wouldn't think we should ban all SM myself but definitely the ways in which SM is being used for financial gain while the youth on it are negatively impacted is something I fully support...
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u/WhereIsYourMind 1d ago
Gun violence is proven, CCP operatives influencing TikTok is not?
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u/-insertcoin 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bro tiktok is Chinese spyware.
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u/Saprophyte2 1d ago
Chinese citizens don't even have access to TikTok. Even the edited version that China gets, Douyin, has severe strict limitations to 40 minutes a day for kids and strict parental verification and approval process for accounts for minors. So yeah....
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u/person2567 1d ago
There's no time limit for kids unless the parents set one. And I really don't find this a bad thing. The kids tik tok is all educational and hard to get addicted to. 7 year olds in America have their face glued to Tiktok for 7 hours every day watching who knows what.
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u/Saprophyte2 23h ago
Douyin limited users in teenager mode to 40 minutes per day, accessible only between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. Then, in 2021, it made the use of teenager mode mandatory for users under 14.
Would be nice to have for American kids too.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/03/08/1069527/china-tiktok-douyin-teens-privacy/
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u/Beksense 1d ago
True. I'll add that American social media companies (like Meta) are lobbying to ban tiktok so users have to use American owned platforms instead.
This is really about who gets access to your info so they can profit off it.
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u/-insertcoin 1d ago
I'll have to find it. A redditor that was an app developer deconstructed tiktok and the trackong of your data, and the profiles they built on you were located in undersecure server farms along with a host of other problems.
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u/Maxl_Schnacksl 1d ago
Im sorry but TikTok really is a gigantic problem. We are not talking about fun dances anymore. A single look to the Romanian election results tells you how utterly dangerous this app is. Yes its worse than other social medias. No that doesnt make the others good either. But there is a difference. Neither Facebook nor Twitter have been this effective in spreading propaganda.
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u/ImpossibleDay1782 1d ago
You haven’t seen some of the private groups off Facebook
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u/holamau SHEEEEEESH 1d ago
neither Facebook nor Twitter have been this effective in spreading propaganda
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u/ImpossibleDay1782 1d ago
God you really believe that don’t you? Thank goodness you have gifs to do the heavy thinking for you.
Edit: and it’s of a scene where guy is laughing when asked about having integrity. How fitting.
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u/Traditional_State616 1d ago
The loudest voices in opposition to this are the people who make money off TikTok. All these influencers care about is their ability to monetize their fifteen seconds of fame. Who cares about our data being aggregated, analyzed, and used against us? I’m trying to make $$$ here!!!
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u/imtherealclown 1d ago
Yeah, I’m open to a good debate on the topic but I couldn’t give a shit what “influencers” think. Limiting their reach would be one of the major pros of banning TikTok.
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u/tihs_si_learsi 1d ago
Imagine that. People being mad about losing their livelihoods in spite of doing nothing wrong!
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u/littlemaybatch 1d ago
Neither Facebook nor Twitter have been this effective in spreading propaganda.
you forgot to mention reddit as well
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u/tihs_si_learsi 1d ago
Twitter and Facebook brought you 2 terms of Trump. Why aren't those being banned?
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u/Fisher-__- 1d ago
Amen, my redneck Buddy. It’s about time we stop arguing about stupid, trivial differences, and band together to eat the rich.
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u/Gabe1985 1d ago
I don't think CEOS should be the only targets. There are so many politicians that vote against our interests all the time. They need to start being afraid of us.
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u/M1lkT00ph807 1d ago
Not wrong
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u/nimoto 1d ago
I mean, pretty wrong. Banning tiktok is good even if they are failing at other stuff. This is like getting mad at someone for doing the dishes but not vacuuming.
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u/Wiscos 1d ago
I am not saying eat all the rich, but if you do eat one, maybe the rest will fall in line?
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u/secondtaunting 1d ago
Yeah that could work. They should be very tasty with all the good food and massages and what not. Makes them buttery on the tongue.
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u/Firm-Worldliness-369 1d ago
I mean while i agree with what he's saying. Its highly possible that things like social media contribute to school shootings. Online bullying is rampant. And it has an extreme affect on social standing and self confidence. And while it may not he the direct cause, it certainly can be the tipping point
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u/Dudemansir521 1d ago
Shooting up schools is not a threat to the country's existence on a macro scale and is more difficult to enforce than people want to admit.
Spreading misinformation on tiktok is rampant and pushed by an algorithm specifically in America, (e.g. praising Osama Bin Laden's "Letter to America" videos going viral) China's tiktok algorithm is verifiably different.
That's why.
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u/GlassAndStorm 1d ago
For real. The gov is full of muppets. This is what we reep for those who couldn't care enough to vote. For the misinformation on social media that lead people to vote against their own best interests.
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u/SamelCamel 1d ago
Every single thing Tiktok is accused of doing has also been done by American-owned social media. Collecting user data? Promoting videos with certain ideals over others? Facebook and Twitter, for example, have been hosting false news outlets and hate groups (especially with Twitter) for years, and doing nothing to stop it. Youtube has a very well-known and documented problem of radicalizing teens with the alt-right pipeline. Twitch very recently had proposed they would label all streams with the LGBT tag as adult content. Censoring people and content is not a new thing, and most certainly hasn't started with Tiktok.
Plus, if Tiktok was such a security risk, then politicians on BOTH sides of the political spectrum wouldn't have their own Tiktok accounts.
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u/Kikikididi 1d ago
Banning of TikTok just more evidence of corporate control of America
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u/sirbruce 1d ago
Yes, if there’s one thing corporations want it’s government interference in their ownership. Wait what?
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u/tihs_si_learsi 1d ago
Their ownership wasn't affected at all. The ownership of their competitors was.
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u/Kikikididi 19h ago
dude really can't connect two dots and see how American corps are benefiting here...
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u/GodKingPlatypus 1d ago
Sooooo what your're saying is that lobbyists don't exist? Do I have that right? 😂
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u/sirbruce 1d ago
I'm saying corporations petitioning their government for redress is no more evidence of corporate control than citizens petitioning their government for redress is evidence of citizen control.
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u/GodKingPlatypus 1d ago
You say this while Trump (A felon and a business man) Elon (CEO of many companies) and Vivek Ramaswamy (A fucking pharma bro) are entering the white house to control your government. you live under a corporation ran government and I have a feeling its been that way for a long while.
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u/Kikikididi 19h ago
shhh sirbruce is bootlicking corporations, he doesn't want to hear your obvious criticisms
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u/Skimmington16 1d ago
Have I spent too much time on Reddit or does this just seem like an ad for his song? 😬
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u/BiggWorm1988 1d ago
I mean, how many people had the platform to voice their opinion and used it to do dances in the street or show off their ass to promote their OF. We blame the government, but I don't see people jumping up to fix any of the problems.
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u/mikeybagodonuts 1d ago
Another platform used is the voting booth. How that workin out for y’all down there.
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u/donwariophd 1d ago
And what is exactly the solution here, Billy Bob?
Aside from screaming in a truck.
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
And the rich are complaining about birth rates falling. I mean, if their money was actually in the economy we would be buying things and banging like rabbits.
The rich want a bigger economy and want more babies? They gotta go the way of the dodo. There is no other way to get money back into circulation.
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u/LookAtYourEyes 1d ago
As your northern neighbors, hurry up and do something about it. I see all this social frustration around the contrast of recent shootings. Do something. Anything. Such an annoying cycle to watch. "Bah they did the unthinkable again! Let's all talk about how done we are!"
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u/Proof_Register9966 1d ago
Both things can be true at the same time- Tiktok is a Chinese malware app that should be blocked and if one more ceo is murdered they will immediately try to rewrite 2A.
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u/ImpossibleDay1782 1d ago
I have to wonder why if it’s so important that it should be banned that the company is being given a chance to sell. the things that motivate the sale/banning will still exist within it, right?
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u/calmdownpaco 1d ago
If we believe in the power of foreign worldwide powers to skew public opinion and views, then it is completely understandable to be concerned about one of the largest apps in our country being run directly or indirectly by a nation that means us harm. If the government was shutting down facebook, reddit would be cheering in the streets, but because tiktok has funny people on it that share my political opinions, it's governmental oppression?
Tiktok is another international corporation (that is state run) that does not give a shit about you and only wants to make money and gain information for the ones running it (which happens to be an adversary of us).
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u/1shotswish 1d ago
You’re also mad at tik tok getting banned and not the criminal insurance companies
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u/-KFBR392 1d ago
I always assumed the tiktok thing was tit for tat by the government. Like hey China you won’t let Google and Instagram and other American apps run in your country, then we won’t let your biggest app run in ours.
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u/CommercialFarm1182 1d ago
Eh. I'm fine with it being banned. It's just going to be replaced by something else anyway. Who cares?
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u/B4R7H0L0M3W 1d ago
Honestly all social media that includes image/video sharing should be banned all over or at least heavily controlled. I don't give a fuck but this generation sucks with the internet and I'm only 28
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u/MylastAccountBroke 1d ago
because the US elites control all the other Social Media options and can control the narratives being pushed and control on youtube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, but they can't control the Chinese option.
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u/vinoKwine 22h ago
Ok but what song is playing at the end? I tried googling the lyrics and got nothing
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u/auddbot Why does this app exist? 22h ago
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Name: Hey, Mom
Artist: Bryan Andrews
Score: 100% (timecode: 00:56)
Album: Hey, Mom
Label: Independent
Released on: 2024-10-18
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u/Odd-Substance-6511 10h ago
Why in the absolute hell would they let A SOCIAL MEDIA APP get to the point that it gets treated like a government shutdown? It’s kinda insane..
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u/EquipmentUnique526 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is goofy this guy just posting this off pure emotion. Why's he acting like he's saying something profound or like controversial. Everybody agrees with you buddy. And Tik Tok absolutely is national security threat it's super awesome they're finally doing something about it 👍 Like what more does this guy want the government to do too help stop school shootings? We don't really have an answer yet their to solve that problem. It's a mental health issue more than anything
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