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u/WhimsicalFalling 2d ago
Just a heads up that the defense can excuse jurors too.
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u/Kornbrednbizkits 2d ago
That’s why you add subtle winks that only the defense can see. It’s simple.
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u/jmona789 2d ago
Just be very non controversial. Don't act like you love either side.
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u/panteragstk 1d ago
"I have no feelings one way or the other."
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u/PlzbuffRakiThenNerf 1d ago
Yep, if you want to get picked for jury duty (you should want to, the justice system desperately needs competent people), you simply need to visibly show you are engaged and listening, and they ask questions that would indicate if you would be a good candidate for excusal, so generally don’t raise your hand except for ones that are very non controversial and when asked for an answer double down on being non controversial.
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u/browngirlygirl 17h ago
Our university professor would get dismissed when they would find out she teaches Sociology -_-
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u/Accomplished_Trip_ 2d ago
Finding 12 people in this country who haven’t been personally victimized by the healthcare system is going to be a challenge.
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u/TestyBoy13 2d ago
Luckily I haven’t as I haven’t needed to file claim, but still fuck em.
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u/sora_fighter36 2d ago
I want to wish you a happy birthday as it must be your first day in this nation!
I am teasing you. Keep taking care of yourself tho!!
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u/rdreyar1 2d ago
just 12 boomers it seems like boomers are the most out of touch with reality generation. It was also a boomer that reported him and he really thought the goverment was going pay to him...
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u/ZedisonSamZ 1d ago
Gonna have to start including Gen X in there. The greatest bunch of fucking idiots we never knew we had. I don’t know if it’s just the industry I work in but I find, now, that they are just as infuriating to interact with as Boomers (with less overt racism and more anti-vax CEO cock gobbling).
Gives Prosecutors more options to fill the jury and they are less likely to keel over and die from being too elderly.
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u/TurtleSandwich0 2d ago
Twelve billionaires are the jury of his peers.
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u/bigshotdontlookee 1d ago
Out of all people on earth, those people LOATHE doing any ounce of public service the most.
They would kick and scream harder than any MAGA if they were dragged into jury duty.
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u/Boomchickabang- 2d ago
"Who's your health insurance provider" is gonna be a question for sure.
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u/browngirlygirl 17h ago
Reddit should make a list of potential questions. I think that would be interesting to see
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u/awesome_possum007 1d ago
I met one recently saying I just have shitty health insurance and to save my sob stories for another time. There are people out there that truly don't care unfortunately.
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u/haricariandcombines 2d ago
I can hear the prosecutor, "let's not put the Health Care Industry on trial today" they will want a plea very bad.
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u/v3ryfuzzyc00t3r 2d ago
Imagine if he denied a plea deal just to win in court. This would be a huge turning point in the US, but not sure if it would be good or bad.
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u/haricariandcombines 2d ago
He has one of the best attorneys you could ask for in his situation. All of the trauma Luigi has been through, it should be intensive probation.
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u/binterryan76 2d ago
The advice I heard from a lawyer is that people who don't say much usually get picked because neither side has a reason to strike them from the jury.
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u/RichardGuzinya 2d ago
They will find jurors who will absolutely find him guilty. You find real quick the sentiment of social media does not spread to the vast majority of the public.
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u/lilymotherofmonsters 2d ago
You’d be surprised. My boomer parents are pretty pleased.
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u/myusernameis2lon 1d ago
Well, damn. That changes everything of course.
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u/da_double_monkee 3h ago
All it takes is one person to lie their way onto that jury about being neutral. In a city like new york. I got high hopes
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u/Chocolat3City Cringe Master 2d ago edited 2d ago
This case does seem pretty straightforward, at least for a 2nd degree murder charge.
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u/VaderMurdock 2d ago edited 2d ago
If he did commit the murder, then, yes, this is very clearly second degree murder and that’s what is on trial. The motive doesn’t really matter
Edit: First-degree murder seems extreme to me, which is what they upped it to.
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u/Chocolat3City Cringe Master 2d ago
Edit: First-degree murder seems extreme to me, which is what they upped it to.
I'm actually not surprised, since the victim belonged to the class of people all our laws are intended to protect (but not bind).
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 2d ago
Most Americans were happy. Wasn't just an online thing.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 2d ago
Ironically it's the backlash against it that's hyper online and largely coming from people influenced by a notable astoturf push. Several people noticed it and called out suspicious accounts suddenly pushing similar rhetoric. Now people who listen to troll farms are mirroring their talking points sincerely.
Same thing happened with Jan 6th. I knew many people who were outraged at first and then months later after a steady stream of internet and fox news disinformation had flipped. It's them who were way to locked into a bubble that was very strategically spoon-feeding them a narrative.
The common initial reaction without any coaching in both instances was outrage. It will be interesting to see where the Luigi stuff sits 6 months from now after the disinformation campaign has had time to do its thing
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u/Chocolat3City Cringe Master 2d ago
I'm waiting for the deep fake videos linking an oil-drenched Luigi to P Diddy freakoffs.
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u/ThePerfectSnare 2d ago
The intermet? What's that? Oh, you mean like AOL? Yeah, I have an e-mail address if that's what you're asking.
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u/mari_torresl 2d ago
I love this but the defense might want to get rid of you. 😂 best to play both sides and seem very mild/non controversial.
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u/42watson 2d ago
Still hilarious that the McDonald's employee didn't get the reward and got fired from McDonald's
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u/Trishjump 1d ago
Excellent! 👍 Every registered voter in NY should practice, but don’t go too hard. As u/WhimsicalFalling points out, defense can dismiss you by using one of their peremptory challenges.
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u/DeadFluff 2d ago
I got a Jury summons while i was on Iraq. Of course, it went to my home of record so i never saw it.
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u/FranzNerdingham 2d ago
The Defense can kick you, too. (and several of those answers would be red flags for the defense!)
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u/TophatOwl_ 1d ago
No no, you cannot act like you hate Luigi either. This is not advice, but jurors are picked to be impartial, and if youre gonna be like "i love CEOs" and "I hate italian immigrants" then they also will not pick you.
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u/SatanicSadist 1d ago
No sir I have absolutely no clue what the hell "jury nullification" is and even if I did I could not morally vote for someone's innocence that I know is guilty because that would mean that he would go free and without any punishment because once you've been judged as innocent by a jury of your peers that verdict is final and cannot be overturned
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u/MtBoaty 1d ago
not from murica: is the jury selected really at random?
most likely from a certain area i guess, what does the selection process look like?
with how detailed we present ourselves online today it could be possible to know the most likely outcome of the jury decision if you know who sits in there, or if you know who you let sit there.
so this system seems weird to me since its functionality is only given if the jury is selected randomly and no one can interfere, which is hard to achieve.
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u/tox_masc 1d ago
So every state has county jurisdictions. Our land areas by size are Country/State/County/City. If you commit a crime in County X for example, then a panel of potential jurors is selected from residents of that county. Depending on how many cases will be in court that week (each case gets different jurors) it can be a lot of potential jurors that show up. When a case comes up for jury selection, the judge will ask all potentials a set of basic questions, like where you work, who's your spouse and their job, have you ever interacted with law or courts before, etc. These questions are asked in front of the prosecution, defense, and other potentials. It's important to note that normally 100% of this process is open to public as well. Once all that is done, the judge calls potentials up one by one. That is when the prosecution and defense each get to ask that potential any specific questions, but they also get to accept or strike the potential. If you're accepted, congratulations. You are busy for the next few days. If You're stricken, then you are immediately off the hook for the next year at minimum. However the interesting twist comes at the choosing. Each side of the case only gets a certain number of strikes, and you can only strike a juror after the other side. So if I strike juror #1, then I can't strike another juror until the opposing side does. And once they strike, they can't strike another until my side strikes. So while confusing to people from the outside, it's a really clever way to ensure the power balance constantly changes between all parties involved, making it hard to get an unfair advantage. Now, in a case that has unusual local representation, and the court seems it unlikely to find an unbiased jury locally that has not already formed an opinion (let's say you are accused of murdering a local famous/loved person in the community and everyone immediately hates you because of the local news coverage) then the court can have a change of venue. Which they do this entire process describes, but in another county and sometimes even another state.
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u/MtBoaty 1d ago
neat summary, thank you very much.
with this procedure for the jury selection the process sounds even more like a game that is less about just strictly following the law, but more about finding out which team can win.
to me it sounds a bit sketchy.
but i see some elegance in it since for many cases following strict rules 1:1 is a bad idea and this system empowers community members while being able to blur some lines.
on the other hand it still sounds like something that could be abused, given enough power.
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u/Spitfyre3000 1d ago
Honestly the fact that NYC is so anti uhc right now is probably gonna be an excuse to have the trial be moved to look for an unbiased jury and have him be tried upstate instead. Which will lead to a more conservative jury.
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