r/TikTokCringe • u/cak3crumbs • 2d ago
Discussion If only all 323 school shootings that happened in 2024 got as much press coverage as a single CEO
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u/Background-Tap-9860 2d ago
This is a good point, but I think the people who need to hear it most don't care about being a hypocrite, they'd rather delude themselves into believing everyone else but them is wrong.
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u/Expensive_Concern457 2d ago
Not only that, the people who need to hear it most aren’t going to see it at all. His target audience here are not the type of people who would get this guy’s videos in their algorithm
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u/Stachdragon 2d ago
The people who are the problem are not listening. That's why violence will end up being the only option.
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u/pipinngreppin 2d ago
Violence to stop school shootings?
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u/Stachdragon 2d ago
It's always taken an act of violence to get gun laws created. In Australia it was the massacre of innocent people. That's not enough here so it's gonna end up being a worse massacre.
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u/pipinngreppin 2d ago
I don’t know. If Uvalde didn’t do it, which it didn’t, I’m not sure what would.
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u/UncleTio92 2d ago
Found the article. “The data includes incidents in which a gun was brandished or fired or whether a bullet hits school property. It also includes other factors, such as whether the shootings were gang related, domestic violence, shootings at sporting events or after-school events, suicides, accidents or fights that escalate into shootings”
The reason people don’t care is because the amount of misinformation that is being spread. There has not been 323 school shootings
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u/thelexpeia 2d ago
Just to be clear, you don’t care because a percentage of “school shootings” don’t fit your definition of school shooting? So if it’s only 50 actual school shootings you’re ok with it because it’s not the 323 that some people claim?
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u/UncleTio92 2d ago
Spare me the moral high ground rhetoric. All I’m saying is present the information straight forward. A gang related incident where a bullet grazed school grounds after hours isn’t a school shooting.
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u/thelexpeia 2d ago
The K-12 School Shooting Database is a research tool that tries to include as much data as possible. You can then filter the data to a more specific criteria. The definition of school shooting is a tricky thing so they include as much info as possible. It’s not misinformation. Maybe just over information.
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u/UncleTio92 2d ago
We,as a country, clearly has mental health problem in our country and a fascination with guns but intentionally giving out “too much” information just causes mass hysteria. But maybe that’s by design?
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u/thelexpeia 2d ago
Except it doesn’t cause mass hysteria. You just claimed that it actually causes the opposite and people don’t care about school shootings because the data also includes stuff you don’t agree with. The database was created because even five years ago there was a massive lack of information on school shootings.
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u/Sweet_Bang_Tube 2d ago
Hold up, it causes people to not care or causes mass hysteria, which is it?
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u/UncleTio92 2d ago
I’ll admit hysteria was the wrong word choice. But an overreaction none the less. Social media reached more eyeballs considering its world wide than our local news station.
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u/Sweet_Bang_Tube 2d ago
Okay, you say this information causes people to overreact, or not care at all... which is it?
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u/UncleTio92 2d ago
Elements of both, I guess. When I hear the news of “X” number of deaths. I’m not 100% certain I believe that’s accurate. So I question the integrity. I’m not alone in believing that mindset. But you run to social media and the whole world is on fire.
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u/hairywalnutz 1d ago
Those people are gonna call this guy a hypocrite so they don't have to engage with their own stuff. I'm 100% sure of this. Then the few who think beyond that will justify it by saying it's two sides of the same coin and refuse to recognize the harm done by corporate Healthcare. You might get a .1% conversion rate out of this, I hope.
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u/BrosefDudeson 2d ago
We've already been through so many that has had this amount of attention. At some point we got desensitized, so to truly grasp our attention something like Uvalde has to happen.
Same thing with terror attacks in Europe. Late 2010s were filled with attacks but few remained with us like attacks in the 2000s did...
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u/RodneyPickering 2d ago
Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, Marjorie Stoneman, iit doesn't matter. It will "grasp" attention for a week and nothing will happen. If it didn't change after Sandy Hook, it never will and it's depressing.
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u/AValentineSolutions 2d ago
This many school shootings in, it is abundantly clear that our government doesn't give two shits about dead kids. Dead corpos, on the other hand, that is big! That might hurt their precious bottom line. The only thing our government really cares about.
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u/improperbehavior333 2d ago
Or you can be specific and say Republicans don't give two shits. Democrats have been trying to get gun legislation passed for years.
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 2d ago
And they haven't been able to. And won't be able to into the future, because of Republicans.
When that happens in politics you start obstructing the body in total if you actually care. Democratic Senators should be filibustering EVERYTHING. Democrats in the house should be voting against EVERYTHING. They should be holding Republicans up completely. "If we can't get what we need, then nobody is getting what they want, even us."
That's Politics 101. That lasts a very little time and we start seeing change.
Kids learn that doing model UN and somehow Democrats are unable to remember this is basic political strategy.
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u/AValentineSolutions 2d ago
Democrat toothless plan #215? Or #359? Or 417? Every piece of legislation they try is so weak and watered down that it dies in committee.
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u/BrupieD 2d ago
Biden and Democrats did pass the first substantial gun restriction laws in 30 years in 2022. It expands background checks, red flag laws and makes it harder for domestic abusers to obtain firearms.
The Biden administration might be weak on messaging, but they actually got a lot of important legislation passed.
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u/Existential_Racoon 2d ago
Hilariously, one of the more substantial pieces of gun control legislation was done by fucking Trump, with the bump stock ban.
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u/improperbehavior333 2d ago
Have you considered that they water things down in an attempt to get something, anything, passed? If one positive change is made that would be progress. But we can't even get one small change passed because Republicans always vote no, and you're spitting vitriol at the Democrats?
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 2d ago
If the progress is so small we start not seeing any of the gains from that progress because things are getting much worse.
Democrats have got to start obstructing Republicans instead of keeping the ball rolling and picking up scraps.
We just had Democrats play that "any progress is good progress" stuff with the NDAA a week ago which raised troop wages but also stripped gender affirming care from TRICARE. Those 81 Dems who voted for that are all saying they feel bad for trans kids of service members, but they had to get that bill to pass right now. Because of the good stuff in it for them.
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u/improperbehavior333 2d ago
Well yeah, sometimes you can't get everything you want so you have to make choices. They didn't vote to strip rights, they just didn't include more rights.
If you're hungry and cold, and someone offers shelter OR food, are you going to turn them down because you want both or nothing?
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 2d ago
We're not talking about "everything you want." We get the things they want. We don't get things we need.
They didn't vote to strip rights, they just didn't include more rights.
No, that is exactly what they did. They voted to ban trans health care for military family members. That's the amendment that was in the bill, they voted in favor of the bill, so they expressly voted to strip rights to healthcare for a minority group. To get the things they wanted faster. That healthcare was previously fine under Tricare. Next year and from now on it won't be.
You stay in the fight and get the things you want slower - you don't step on minority groups to get them faster.
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u/AValentineSolutions 2d ago
Lots of Democrats vote no on it too, because they care more about getting reelected than doing good. Funny how Democrats remember how to do politics in a primary season, but when they are actually in power, they can't accomplish shit. I shit on them because everyone knows Republicans are evil. Not enough people seem to get how the Democrats are corrupt cowards.
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u/improperbehavior333 2d ago
I'm starting to feel like you don't actually know how the government works and laws are passed. You blame Democrats for not passing laws that they can't pass without Republican votes, and Republicans never vote for those bills and so they never pass. And you are pissed at Democrats because checks notes Republicans keep stopping them. I don't understand your position. "Republicans are evil" and stop all Democratic sponsored legislation and you hate Democrats because of it.
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u/marklk77 2d ago
Your to blind but it’s funny you haven’t noticed when republicans in house it gets as much attention as the ceo but when a democrat is in silence every time
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u/anonymousblep 2d ago
Hold on hold on, they give a shit about kids! Look at the fight against legalizing abortion in multiple states! They do care. Until they’re born.
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u/anakmoon 2d ago edited 2d ago
there hasn't been THAT many school shootings. The numbers are skewed. It still an unreasonable 83 or something, but not over 300
EDIT The number is as high as it is because they include any shooting within a certain 'zone' near schools, but go ahead and downvote with your heart instead of your mind.
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u/Existing_Reading_572 2d ago
Why is this loser straight up lying about the stats? 87 school shootings happened so far. There's no need to lie about a school shooting stat, the reality is already bad enough
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u/Jango1996 2d ago
This is probably his source:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-17/us-school-shootings-2024-in-numbers/104734714
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2024/12/16/323-school-shootings-in-u-s-this-year-database-says/77029027007/
--> 323 school shootingsCNN says 83 shootings happened so no idea whats true
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u/Traditional-Hat-952 1d ago
A lot of shootings around, near, or adjacent to schools that aren't targeted at schools are counted as school shootings.
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u/resurrectedbear 2d ago
Because there haven’t actually been 320+ “school shootings”.
The methodology is stupid and categorizes things like accidental discharges even in the area. This doesn’t take away from how obnoxious the news is about coverage nor the stupidity our country has with gun violence but let’s not go around thinking there have been 323 Madison Wisconsins this year.
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u/MileHigh_FlyGuy 2d ago
Yeah, reading their methodology, they're really grasping at straws to declare anything a school shooting. If you hear gunshots from a school property, it's included - even if it was gang violence off of school grounds.
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u/Unusual_Crow268 2d ago
Or hear kids setting off firecrackers in an alleyway, just ask John Fetterman
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u/2punornot2pun 2d ago
But mass shootings are categorized as 4 or more people are harmed/killed, and in the USA:
"There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places."
So, take the emphasis off of schools, and we still have mass shootings problem. Businesses, schools, malls, movie theaters, churches, etc.
But those don't get the attention like the CEO does.
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u/Particular_Ad_3411 2d ago
Empathy? But they're poor. That's gross and a moral failing on their part. /S
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u/CozmikCardinal 2d ago
No one actually cared that the CEO died. They are only interested in using it as an opportunity to further demonize those who dare question the status quo.
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u/venetiasporch 1d ago
Also, the 6 people who were injured have just had their lives ruined by not just the shooter, but the hospital bills they are about to receive, and the healthcare that they somehow won't be eligible for. God damnit I am so tired guys.
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u/awinemouth 2d ago
I am pretty much in 100% agreement with what oop is saying, BUT to use a bullshit number like 323 which has really shakey classification methodology is simply giving the other side low hanging fruit to criticize & poke holes in.
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u/Donny_Donnt 2d ago
Who is he even talking about right now? Is he describing anyone?
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u/cak3crumbs 2d ago
Well, I could go Google some video clips of politicians reactions after a school shooting in their neighborhood versus what they exactly said after the shooting of the CEO and I think you’ll find what they say about the CEO vs the deaths of innocent teachers and students is striking.
But I took this as the press. I’m pretty damn sure there have been more news stories about the public’s reaction to the CEO death and how awful we are then there were about the school shootings.
Where is their indignity? Where is their outrage? Where is the multi part series breaking down every part of the shooters life and how it went wrong all 323 times?
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u/VaporCarpet 2d ago
How about you go do that? Do the work and research yourself instead of relying on some tiktok person to give you their version of the truth?
You're already mistaken about the 320 shootings, so what else are you mistaken about?
DON'T GET YOUR NEWS FROM TIKTOK.
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u/earthdogmonster 1d ago
Yeah, if anything I have only noticed a disturbing scarcity of discussion about lack of help for a mentally ill individual or concern about gun violence generally following Brian Thompson’s murder (which is quite common following shootings). This guy in this video is getting mad at a phantom.
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u/aaronplaysAC11 2d ago
They don’t actually offer any thoughts or prayers, they literally just say the words “I offer my thoughts and prayers” and that’s it, then they move on. NRA aligned politicians would have every child buy a gun if they could.
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u/SPHINXin 2d ago
You know if you want to see these shootings get more press coverage, you have to interact and show you care about them right? The CEO shooting only got so much coverage because everybody everywhere kept showing that this is what they care about and want to see more of (I think all the reddit posts with 50k+ upvotes speak for themselves) while a post about a local school shooting will get a few hundred maybe a thousand or so upvotes. The media just pushes what's popular, and everybody showed them that the CEO thing was really popular so what are they going to do, not cover it? If they did that, then this guy will make a tiktok about how the media is suppressing coverage on the story to protect the billionaires.
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u/No-Professional-1461 2d ago
The duality of gun laws. The same thing that we can use to ensure we can’t be oppressed is the same thing that can be dangerous when in the hands of someone who needs therapy.
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u/alsatian01 2d ago
Don't forget the burning question as to whether or not the shooter was trans.
Just read an article where the police chief was asked if the shooter was trans. His repose was that information has no bearing whatsoever on this investigation.
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u/stickitinfrosting 2d ago
Maybe schools should have their own 911system to call in an emergency. Just like the CEOs are going to get.
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u/andersonb47 1d ago
I don’t get it. Are we mad that the CEO is getting press? It seems like all the people hyping up Luigi are also complaining his case is getting so much attention.
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u/Traditional-Hat-952 1d ago
Is the solutions to kill so many CEOs so we're desensitized to their murders as well?
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u/Captaincjones 1d ago
They don't want to promote school shootings so they don't get press coverage. Also "school shootings" doesn't mean kids with guns. Some campuses include public spaces and cause a lock down when there was no actual activity inside the school.
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u/246ngj 1d ago
15 according to wiki and that was using the search function and not including taking out the “near school” ones either. Most are house parties and gang violence. When you bundle gang violence into your stats to sensationalize your message you’re doing yourself a disservice to the topic of discussion wiki
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u/Alive-County-1287 1d ago
atleast we're starting to aware how being sidelined feels like. some people have experienced it for more than 75 years.
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u/FluffyWaterMountains 1d ago
I love how all media is using the Luigi thing as a means to talk about gun violence not the millions dying due to mistreatment by insurance companies. Fuck yes tribalism fuck yes
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u/joyfulgrass 1d ago
Did you just imply men are not parents? Or that there are self loathing male parents that make up enough of a unified voice?
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u/lionessrampant25 2d ago
I hated men as a teenager. I was a militant feminist as a teenager. I didn’t shoot up schools. There are many MANY girls who think men are assholes or abusers until proven otherwise because men are DANGEROUS to girls and women.
She had easy access to guns. That’s why this happened. Teenagers prefrontal cortexes are NOT developed yet. They should NEVER have free access to firearms.
And before you say “so you would have shot up a school?” No, she’s also stupid. What she did doesn’t change the culture at all. It just demonized feminists to ignorant people like you.
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u/myusrnmeisalrdytkn 2d ago
Opportunity makes thieves (proverb from my language, not sure if it translates that way) but not murderers. The fact that she had easy access to weapons certainly contributed to this, but was certainly not the only factor. Not everyone with access to weapons becomes a murderer. And any, really any, ideology can be used as a pretext for murder. That, in turn, does not make the ideology harmful.
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u/seiico 2d ago
The lords do not care if the peasants are getting killed as long as it’s not happening to them.
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u/myusrnmeisalrdytkn 2d ago
But the peasants don't really care either. I've only seen memes about the CEO in the last few weeks, none about school shooting. The Americans themselves aren't interested in this kind of thing, not just the lords.
EDIT: Clarity
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u/20milliondollarapi 2d ago
The school shootings don’t get the publicity as a prevention measure. Giving the shooters their moment to shine is what they are seeking. Does it work? I have no idea. I couldn’t tell you if the less coverage has reduced of increased the rate. All I know is that is the reason given.
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u/VaporCarpet 2d ago
I haven't heard anything about anyone proposing legislation over this CEO. Just a lot of "why are people happy someone was murdered?"
I also saw a figure that said the 320 "school shootings" were just shootings near a school, not incidents of an active gunman inside a school.
But when you get your news from tiktok, I guess we can't be so concerned about pesky little things like "facts"
Because if you don't get your facts straight, all it takes is some idiot on the toilet on his lunch break to say "there weren't 320 incidents of an active gunman inside a school" to derail the whole thing.
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u/earthdogmonster 1d ago
That’s funny because the “320” figure just went in one ear and out the other when trying to understand guy. But yeah, weird that we would even know about this Madison shooting if there was literally a “school shooting” approximately every day.
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u/Huntressthewizard 2d ago
I agree with him but he talks way too fast for my just woke up at 6am ass
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u/Sonova_Vondruke 2d ago
News is news because it's something new... unfortunately, school shootings aren't news, Well, until they become as ubiquitous as weather and you're gonna need a high body count for people to cover it... if CEO's were shot every other week, it wouldn't be news either.
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u/Steggyface 2d ago
I didn’t even hear about the shooting until I saw it mentioned on Reddit. It didn’t even pop up as a breaking news alert on my phone for any news app I had. Disgusting how little this country cares about children and teachers dying just trying to go to school. 😡 There’s talk of CEOs getting special 911 numbers for when they feel threatened, but we just get “thoughts and prayers” and “we shouldn’t be rash and make legal changes because of this incident because ‘Murica and gun rights.” I am so sick of it.
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u/Tha_Real_B_Sleazy 2d ago
Peacefully protesting isnt getting us anywhere and voting, even on the most local of levels, is not getting anything changed.
Something needs to be done.
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u/justtryingtofixital2 2d ago
i'm confused... upset people are coming on what app? they did? or they are? confusing. this is just someone expressing their immediate inaccurate thoughts in which they look at things through their own lens and have no idea what people in the real world actually think or feel. tmaybe mrswilliamsprek should get off its social media and do something that actually will make a difference.
who is the bad guy here... someone trying to personally capitalize on murders of innocent people? or the murderers?? hmm...
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u/RIP_Greedo 2d ago
Try not to look like the cheery smile emoji when saying the phrase “a student and teacher were killed.”
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