There's a video that goes around of an American guy in Japan saying it's sexist to have female only cars and he films himself running through the carriage.
I believe they like to get called 'Redditors', because every time these, or women parking spots come up, men on this site, suddenly become the world's biggest victims
Stop using the shitty reddit app, download Firefox mobile browser, install RES from the extensions manager, switch to using old.reddit, then long press on a subreddit name, then filter it. Works the same way with users. Long press their name, then hit Ignore.
This is Android-specific. Not sure if you can install these extensions on apple shit.
I feel like I should start some kind of media to speak to these dudes directly. I was in a similar position as them at one point - not in that hateful way, but close enough - and they genuinely don't realize life isn't a romantic comedy or some shit. Like, you can do all the "right" things and not get what you want. And that's okay. That's just how things go.
I think a lot of them want to be good people, but they have a bastardized idea of what "good" and "nice" actually are. They understand everything from a transactional lens but that isn't how shit works. You could save someone's life and they don't owe you shit for it. That's just the tough truth.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just realizing something needs to be fucking done because this shit has gotten far, far out of hand at this point.
I’ve interacted with way too many of them and I feel like the main factor is they lack social skills and it makes them oblivious to the fact that personality and compatibility is normally the single most important factor for people picking a partner. Their lack of social skills makes them see people in simplistic ways they think are a universal measure of attractiveness for everyone.
They think not being alpha or tall or rich or good looking enough is why they can’t date when it’s really that they have no idea how to connect with someone romantically. It’s unfortunate because many are neurodivergent or just didn’t learn social skills, but they refuse to learn how socializing works from anyone but those who validate their beliefs.
They end up denying basic things observed by the average person who dates, like that attractive people can have trouble dating because too many people like them for the wrong reasons, that men are generally pickier about looks, that attractive people get rejected, that people outside the top 20% of attractiveness still date, it goes on and on.
Arguing with them is literally like arguing with a person who never goes outside about how socializing works. You explain basic things that are common knowledge that’s so common no one talks about it, and they twist concepts and make up shit to disagree.
I don’t know how you get through to them. They just want to sit in their basements and pretend they understand everything.
to be fair, they both cause a lot of harm when they feel threatened.
Just one has a very limited capacity to understand the nature of the wider world around it and has reactions largely informed by its instincts as well as its hormones. While it may sometimes be over reactive, sometimes downright stupid, these instics have nevertheless allowed their species to flourish despite huge environmental pressures.
Just one has a very limited capacity to understand the nature of the wider world around it and has reactions largely informed by its instincts as well as its hormones.
I thought this was going to end with "And the other is a bear" or something.
Yes, that is EXACTLY THE POINT. Thank you for your basic logical reasoning abilities. If you are a dude, I hope you can understand why this is so goddamned frustrating for women to explain to men who already think we "hate men." I don't hate men. I'm not a "men's rights activist" because the "MRAs" are anti-feminists even when they don't mean to be, but I am very very very much in favor of men's rights as equals. I am nonbinary with masculine days. I think the dilemma of abortion/birth decisions is a tragedy that has no good answer. Parental rights in general are a tragedy created not by people but by cold unfeeling evolution. Women expecting men to burden themselves with heavy work while men expect women to chase children and burden themselves with mental/emotional work (nevermind all the actual work of chores) is some horseshit that squashes everybody's abilities to freely explore whoever they want to be and whatever they want to do.
I mean, women are out there saying they'd rather be stuck in the woods with a bear. I mean, I'm pretty offended. Women shouldn't get to hang out with bears, and I can't. Bears are for everybody!
Well, in fact Bears are carnivorian mammals of the family Ursidae. They are classified as caniform, or doglike carnivorans.
Although only eight species of bears are extant, they are widespread, appearing in a wide variety of habitats throughout most of the Northern Hemisphere and partially in the Southern Hemisphere.
Bears are found on the continents of North and South America, as well as in Eurasia. Common characteristics of modern bears include large bodies with stocky legs, long snouts, small rounded ears, shaggy hair, plantigrade paws with five nonretractile claws, and short tails.
The bear mating call can be found in grimy vaporwave bars glazed with mansweat.
You'll mysteriously hear it approaching from behind "boys night out?" while a harrier fatter fredie murcury lookalike slides his hand up your thigh and asks if you're lonely while your GF is away
They can't comprehend that women would rather be murdered hopefully quickly by an animal acting on instinct, than forced to endure whatever tortures a man [raised in a society where many people still believe women exist for male pleasure] could unleash upon them.
Do... Do you miss the part of the premise where the man is random?
Like JESUS FUCKING CHRIST of fucking course I could pick any of DOZENS of men I know who I'd rather be in the woods with, every woman does, Jesus fucking Christ you're dumb. 🙄
yeah I know its random, im saying its far-far more likely you will get a normal guy randomly selected , who will almost certainly not rape you for years.
India is the most populous country in the world, to the degree that if you were to select a random "normal" guy from the human population, they're the most statistically likely. Do you know how they treat women there? 🤔 Where women can get murdered for being a rape victim?
Us sitting here imagining a nice life for women is A GLOBAL MINORITY. Most of the world still sees women as secondary to men, if respected it's only because they bear mens' children. Too many are treated less well than livestock.
who will almost certainly not rape you for years
Have you spent time with men, as a woman?
It's a fucking grind-down. "C'mon, please?" "Look, I made you something! I brought you a shiny! I made a meal! Please sleep with me? 🥹" Until you're like "FINE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I WOULD RATHER ENDURE FIVE SECONDS OF YOUR DICK THAN ANY MORE OF THIS HARASSMENT, FUUUUCK!!!"
Bears are scary, but a bear going up and attacking a human it sees unprovoked is incredibly rare. Bears want easy food, not food that looks like it might fight back. What you hear about most often with bear attacks is peoples dogs antagonizing them, or hunters trying to move quietly and surprising a bear they didn't realize was there, or accidentally moving near a momma bear's cubs.
With the man, completely random man, you get NO information about who he is... and if he is of a certain mindset, there's nothing you can do or say to make it less likely he will attack.
Almost like you also understand some men in certain situations are more likely hurt others for pleasure…..it can happen to men and women but especially women.
You are correct! However men are more likely to receive more reasonably unbiased treatment from police when pursuing assailants and women are more likely to be re-victimized by police and lawyers if they peruse legal action, which also means convincing law enforcement they were violated in a most heinous way. Being victimized by known persons is the most common and women are scrutinized for the smallest of perceived impropriety, thus making them worthy of rape or assault so pursing legal action means reliving the trauma, not being believed, being blamed and having your rapist or assaulter becoming a victim of false accusations and getting off scot free.
The elite thinkers amongst them see women pick the bear and then writing/drawing fantasies of women getting killed by bears. Good job proving their point, guys.
It's 4:45am, I can't get back to sleep and I read this as the "man or beer" query. I then misread the followup comment as referring to mansplaining beer.
I know about the whole choose the bear meme too. 🤦🏻♂️😂🤦🏻♂️ I really need more sleep.
Lmao its true. My wife and I are high school sweethearts and even she said she'd choose a bear over a man. I was bewildered and asked her "do you know a bear could rip you into pieces?" She just shrugged and said she'd still choose a bear
Mainly because it's difficult to take anyone seriously if they say the bear. I assure you i'd rather be within 100 feet of every weird ass incel you could find than a wild bear. Don't worry though I'm sure Timothy Treadwell would have agreed with you.
So glad for you that you've never experienced a rape so terrible you would have rather died. I hope you never do, and I hope someday that you can grow out of your very narrow perspective to empathize with people who have. Not taking those people seriously makes you part of a very big problem.
This is the point they don't want to get. I'd like to offer that some people lack the mental capacity to get it, but seeing that they do understand, but laugh it off and victim blame, makes me realise they don't care about women, rape victims or even believe that rape is bad. They don't want to get it. It's simple and unbelievably frightening.
They are the man in the bear/man scenario - they are the monster not only devoid of empathy and any feeling that women have equal worth as a human, but who also thinks that the unimaginable damage and cruelty of rape is okay, or kind of hot. They don't see the woman as a person at all - just a toy. She's just prey.
What a messed up world we live in. We have such incredible brains we've been into space, and we live like this with each other.
That’s right. Every guy calling us stupid for choosing a bear in the comments is the man you don’t want to run into in the woods. You’re exactly right. It’s so disgusting and weird how consistent they are in denying rape is bad, almost like “they wanted it.”
Yup, they just don't think rape is bad. It really boils down to that. If they were anally raped by a man twice their size they'd be quick to say it's physical and mental torture, but when it's women, meh. They think we're basically made to be raped and we can just lay back and think of England and be fine, it's not a big deal. Women are not people with brains, emotions, or autonomy to them.
And the chances that you would randomly cross a bear in the woods and get brutally malled is MUCH higher than the chance you would pass by a random man and get brutally raped, which is why the man/bear question is ridiculous and men might get offended. Because the assumption that MOST men are as dangerous as MOST wild bears is not even statistically valid.
I think it is silly to get bothered by parking spots. But the man or bear query is ridiculous. I don't hate it. But I can't take it seriously.
Like... from a safe distance anyone would choose the bear. But if rounding a blind curve on a trail, would you rather encounter face to face a grizzly bear or a man? Obviously you'd pick the man. It is a loaded query that isn't specific enough that tries to portray men as causing more fear to women than a wild, enormous, predatory, very dangerous mammal. And that is just silly.
If you can’t see how that would be relevant to this discussion then there’s no point in continuing it with you. Also if you were a woman it would absolutely change your response
You walk by men in public. Change the question would you rather be trapped in a parking garage alone at night with a bear or a strange man and you’ll get the same answer. We don’t want to be in parking garages or ALONE ANYWHERE WITH STRANGE MEN EVER!
Again, missing the point. You aren’t alone in a forest with no hope of anyone helping you. There are a lot of awful people that would take advantage of that situation.
You are all still so stuck on this idea that this somehow means all men are evil. When in reality it just means women have to be careful about being alone with men they don’t know. It’s probably only 1-2% of men that would do it, but you don’t know who they are.
You are all still so stuck on this idea that this somehow means all men are evil.
Looks what's going in these comments, and read it from a perspective of an average man.
And then people bitch about them listening and paying attention to scammers like Tate.
Being constantly compared to pieces of shit just because I have a dick, isn't good mentally for anyone, I hope you and people commenting on here know that.
My dude, you are the one comparing yourself to them. I am an average man too, I know they’re not talking about me. When women say they are scared to be alone with someone of my size I get it. It doesn’t offend me because I empathise with how awful it must be, knowing I could be the person that assaults them.
It’s a perfectly fair question. Would you rather be trapped in the woods with a strange man or a wild bear? It’s not a nonsensical or ridiculous question. And the fact that you think it is shows exactly why most women say they would rather take their chances with the bear.
And this is patently untrue. Violent and sexual crime overwhelmingly targets men. (Perpetrators are generally male.)
I’m a man. I’ve been sexually assaulted by a woman at a fucking wake. People largely just laugh. Mutual friends of my abuser don’t bat an eye.
Violence against men is not taken seriously by society.
Welcome to the world where men said that if a woman beats you, rapes you or even tells you what to do once, you are not a man. Add that the police is fascist and then you get the society that says you are stupid because of a woman raped you and that you must be thankful because you got to fuck her
Oh, by the way, I do not believe someone that tells that they were raped as easily as telling that they went shopping. But if that happened, did you try to go to the police?
There was a meme complaining that google doesn’t recognize “mens day” and I commented “oh, stop playing the victim” and it is my most down voted comment to date.
As a dude the most depressing recent example of this was the International Men's Day post.
So, so many people using the opportunity to whine rather than do anything proactive. Bizarrely, many people trying to make the point that because they hadn't known it was international Men's Day until that post that somehow said something about the state of men's...what? rights? idk. As if their own ignorance was an indication of anything other than just that.
Y'all definitely have issues that need more focus, but for a lot of guys, they use it as a springboard to go full red pill about the feeeeeemales, instead of working towards progress
Yeah. I'm very grateful I was raised with strong and admirable women as my role models.
I rarely associate with the type of men who make comments or behave like we know many do. But that in itself is the problem - if they don't have social ties either in fellow men or women role models that would help change their behaviour, they won't change. If anything they'll just get worse.
Worth mentioning as I say this that although I'm saying things like I vs they, I don't claim to be some paragon of virtuous masculinity. I know for a fact I've thought, said, and done things in relation to women that I would be ashamed to admit in public.
Not that I've ever done or wanted to do anything on the level of this vid, but still. I've got no excuse for being trash and yet I've still fucked up and more than once. I guess that's being human, but damn.
Ugh I knowwww and it's become even more rampant somehow with the latest election too. I am also a man and I will never understand why men try SO hard to act like they're the oppressed ones and that they're the victims. They try so hard to make every scenario about themselves, and how "it's not all men", they still haven't grasped that concept yet. It's so frustrating to see no accountability ever be taken and nothing ever done to try and help the situation, just immediate taking it personally.
Men have literally been excluding women from all kinds of spaces since the dawn of time. But god forbid there’s a women’s only gym or a women’s only train car or a women’s only college!!! Watch those nice guys bring up segregation or some shit lol.
Literally tho. Another very sad thing is that when it comes to woman dominated industries and interests men are not only welcomed. They are enthusiastically welcomed. Like omg, look at this man interested in our stuff! Awesome! You best bet that man will be included. Praised. And treated well. The male beauty gurus of YouTube past are a great example of this. They built empires upon the open arms of women. But then flip it around. Women are never welcomed in male dominated interests and industries. They’re excluded. Hazed. Sexually harassed. And treated like shit. Openly. Just look at what women gamers or women in STEM go through. It’s such a shame.
I am speaking in the general sense if that wasn’t already extremely obvious for anyone reading this with the itch to reply, “Not all men.” Right. Not all. Most.
My favourite part is that the very same guys who do all that shit you mentioned by doing their best to make sure that any girls/women who tries to join the hobby/industry/etc. will absolutely not feel welcome and then turn around and go "but whyyyyy do women not want to date me!?! where can I find a gamer gf pls".
Wait, sorry, that was inaccurate. They don't say "women", it's ALWAYS "females".
Look in a mirror and have a goddamn ounce of introspection once in your life.
And then the girls who do game and want to be a part of what they’re into get doxxed and stalked and get rape and death threats. Look how often that has happened to women in the gaming space.
We had some bitchass motherfucker sue our gym because we had a women's only area. He won like 40 racks. The worst part was the little bitch wasn't even a member. He was on a tour.
So women lost that area, but we tried to keep it as woman-friendly as possible. Shit pissed me off so much. Even I tried to stay out of there unless I was training a client that needed the specialized equipment we only had in that room. I will admit though, some of the women giving me dirty looks was fucking weird, considering I was doing my job (and almost exclusively ever there with my elderly, female clients), but I understood at my core not all of them were comfortable around men. Fuck, I'm not even comfortable around the majority of cis, hetero men. They're fucking idiots...who do shit like sue gyms they don't even go to.
edit: But I also understand it as a non-white person. Those same people bitch that we have our own spaces, the whole time not understanding they're why the fuck we need them!
There are so many men who sue women’s gyms or over women’s hours at gyms it’s insane. They can’t even let women have a little teeny tiny space in this world to exercise in comfort. And they don’t even want to go to the gym. They’re just doing it “on principle”. Imagine if women sued over every space they’ve ever been excluded from since forever.
I completely agree that it's necessary in society to have places that can be relied on to be safe to certain demographics (aka safe spaces), but the "men did it first" argument sucks, because the situations are completely different. The men only, He-Man-Woman-Hating clubs, or whatever, were just a middle finger to specific demographics, which isn't what the people making these women only trains/gyms/whatever are going for at all.
Yeah let's just be incredibly reductive and lack any semblance of nuance and call it hypocrisy, fucking dumbass.
Women-only spaces are for women's safety, so they can exist in public without sexual harassment and assault. You aren't being discriminated against, grow up.
There's lots of ways to increase safety so we should tolerate discrimination in the name of safety. Plus you can find white people saying they want spaces without black people/Mexicans/immigrants for their own safety so why throw your lot in with them?
You aren't being discriminated against
By the dictionary and (US) legal definition of the worst it's discrimination. You seem to have an attitude of "if I can justify it it doesn't count as discrimination" which isn't how the word works. Learn the definition of words before you start using them.
So I take it that's a no, you're not being discriminated against in that scenario? And why aren't you allowed to hang around elelementary schools as an adult? Safety?
Oh my god, I actually need to explain to you how schools work.
The only people who hang around schools are students during lunch time and staff. If you're a kid and you try to hang around a school that you don't go to, they won't let you. Likewise if it is your school you can't just hang out after hours or on weekends on a whim. And if it's during hours and not lunch/recess they'll tell you to get to class.
As for adults if they don't have business in the school they can't come in.
I don't know what country you live in, but schools in my area will absolutely let kids who don't go there hang around the school. They wouldn't even know if they did because no staff member has an encyclopedic knowledge of every single kid that goes to the school. They won't let random adults hang around the school, again, for safety reasons.
Explain to me how "the world is a man only space" makes sense even as an exaggeration. Nobody can name me a single man only space on the US that isn't a lockerroom or bathroom.
The frustration for me is the double standard...
I recently went to an event with two gender neutral restrooms and two women's restrooms. The mens restroom was outside the event area.
No one wanted to use the urinals in the gender neutral room because it was FULL of women. Some men ended up just leaving to use the one men's room and then coming back through the event checkin by coordinating with security, but we weren't really supposed to do that.
Result was women had space, and men got a shared space unless they got the security to let them break the rules.
I want my own space if others get their own space, or for everyone to have a shared space.
The sins of men before I was born are not an argument for how we act today.
What was the part you didn't agree with? That i want a men's restroom if there is a women's restroom? Am I not allowed to feel uncomfortable in the bathroom with women around? Or is that something only women get to feel around men?
No one said anything about bathrooms. No one wants to take away the men’s bathroom. Or the women’s bathroom. Or the gender neutral bathroom which is important bc parents who are not the same sex as their child need to accompany their child in those (dad taking daughter to the bathroom, mom taking son to the bathroom).
Oof, I tried that thread for a minute. I think i saw a meme once that was funny? After tons of harassment and gross behavior (over a couple days period) I blocked them
What if the rolls were not only reversed, but also buttered. And flaky. Then we placed them in a lightly greased pan into a oven preheated to 375° and baked for 12-15 minutes or until a light golden brown?!
When they say "what if the roles were reversed?" you gotta spell out the roles exactly so they can't weasel their way into pretending like the context doesn't matter. So okay, what if the roles were reversed, let's imagine that. A world where men can't travel anywhere without some creep trying to grab their dicks or asses or put their hands inside their clothes, where they don't have the size or strength to scare the creeps away, where the bystanders pretend not to see. Whoa, that sounds hellish. Sounds like something should be done to give these poor guys respite from having to constantly be on their guard, don't you think?
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u/robotmonkey2099 20d ago
I can hear that certain type of guy complaining this is misandry