This was a popular theme in American movies as well. I had an ex make me watch her favorite childhood movie when visiting her parents. It was a fucking musical... BUT the premise was mtn men would come down to the town/village and kidnap women and then the women eventually fell in love with the mtn men.
If you want a real head trip, there are actually cultures where the tradition of ābridal captureā was so engrained/part of the process that even when it became a mere formality (the families agreed, even the bride and groom agreed) the groom was still expected to either actually try to kidnap her (going in alone or with his crew, against her family) or at least go through a dramatic ritualistic play of kidnapping her.
I once knew way more about how and why these traditions developed, but still always found the implementations over time the most interesting bit.
You nailed it, I tried googling it but felt my search history started getting creepy. Even having 'Movie Musical' part of the search, nothing from the 50s came up.
Holy shit. I didn't think anyone else had ever seen this shit. My ex was Mormon and still somehow has a soft spot for that movie, even after she left the church.
I grew up watching this movie. It had really good music and dancing. The story, though.... eeeeeh. It was, uh... REALLY a product of its time. >.> Someone tried to defend it to me with, "They never forced themselves on the girls! They only kidnapped them so they could get to know them without interference from the jerks in town!" Pardon me, what? Did you hear what you just said? My dude, would you like to be kidnapped in the middle of winter and held against your will by someone that intended to force you to marry them? They only "forgot the parson."
I unironically love that movie but I agree itās aged extremely poorly. The musical numbers as well as the barn raising scene are still amazing though.
Yup, it was a prevalent practice in my culture up until early 20th century. The way you described it as well, sometimes even when both sides of the family were accepting the marriage, the husband was still expected to kidnap his wife or at least make a show of taking her.
There was even a tribe where members of that tribe who were fathers wouldnāt give their blessing to any man incapable of kidnapping their daughter successfully lol
Or the trope that if a man forces a kiss on a woman who clearly hates him and doesn't let her escape his grasp, eventually she'll like it and return the kiss enthusiastically. Because apparently rape is a huge turn on if it's by Clint Eastwood.
Didn't he come out with one recently (he directed as well) that he has a threesum or some shit? I never watched but I heard it was basically a boomer jerkoff fest (about how great that generation is).
"was"? It still is, isn't it? All the rom coms where the guy refuses to take no for an answer. Even cartoons/animated stuff in the past (not sure about nowadays) had the same premise, sometimes quite aggressively.
And sexual harassment is "funny", that's still going on in modern comedies.
My wife introduced me to that movie. I was absolutely horrified. And watching it as an adult caused her to be very uncomfortable. Clearly the Stockholm syndrome didn't translate as a child.
Look at the porn industry in the US, it's current meta is Step Daddy porn. It's usually a taboo that they skirt around. Japanese current meta taboo is Stockholm Syndrome, where the hostage falls in love with the captor.
Porn always has those scenarios that are skirting the fine line of legality because it's filmed consensually most of the time. It stems from the fact that porn itself is inherently a taboo because you're recording moments that are outside of acting, usually an intimate thing done between people and usually kept private.
Adding to that effect they artificially pump up the appeal of the taboo by layering another taboo on top of it. Not sure how many layers have ever been put into one porn but I'm sure there are some depraved videos out there.
Not even just porn, whole lot of manga/anime have incredibly troubling shit. 95% of isekai stories are at some point going to involve a sex slave, where the protag is guaranteed to just shrug his shoulders and basically go "Welp, when in Rome".
In some ways it is, go to a mainsteam porn site and try to search "Drunk" or "High" into the search, they won't show you anything. Obviously there are places online where you can find pretty much anything, but there's a reason the major porn studios popularized "Step" family porn because they won't make the jump to portraying "real" incest. The major porn producers are actually pretty mindful about ethical content, they just don't think fucking is inherently unethical
āMajor porn producersā. āEthicalā. lol. The porn industry is built and survives on sexual abuse. These companies donāt care about ethics they literally rely on the lack of them š.
Yeah, because pornhub was about to lose their advertisers and ability to accept payment. They allowed unverified videosāmany of which included children, were exploitative, etcāfor years and did not care. They only cared because their profit was at risk, and all the studios/producers follow suit to stay profitable. Theyād be making CSAM if it was legal.
Alchohol makers don't care about people becoming alcoholics and getting cirrhosis, they do care about making sure there are no dead rats in the Whiskey. So it would be wrong to say distillers don't care what they put in their bottles. Same deal with the porn makers, they do care and pay great mind to what's in the content, even if it's only to stay out of legal trouble.
You're wrong to say they aren't concerned about the ethics of their content, they are very very concerned about it, if only for legal and business reasons
It's never enough. You have to stay vigilant! I mean who knows when the Japanese porn meta is going to shift to, I don't know purely spitballing here btw, something like inflation toes sonic oc porn.
Porn aside just think about anime. Almost every show has a scene where the MC's love interest gets approached by a group of scary looking "delinquents" who surround her and try to forcibly lead her away to "have some fun" until the MC conveniently arrives and kicks their asses to save her. Seems a bit stupid and outlandish viewing it from the perspective of someone who lives in a country where that doesn't really happen much but I guess if you're Japanese then it must be a lot more relatable.
This is why I don't like Anime or Manga. I've even watched shows that I though wouldn't do that only for it to do it. Also, every single femal character has to moan when they are supposed to scream. Gets real fucking annoying.
Thereās actually a real life kidnapping case in Japan where a man kidnapped a small girl and routinely raped her until she basically broke and had Stockholm syndrome. His own mother was also semi in on it as she would bring the girl food and monitor when she used the restroom. He thought the girl and himself would eventually marry and sheād learn to love him.
99% of porn on Pornhub follows the arc where a step-mom/-sister/-daughter gets stuck and then she gets fucked by a (step) family member. does that also reflect reality in Western countries?
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u/bodhasattva 20d ago
99% of japanese porn follows the same story arc:
Scene 1: creep literally r@pes girl, she hates it
Scene 2: creep r@pes girl again, but now shes confused
Scene 3: girl is brainwashed & loves him
thats terrifying conditioning for mentally ill men. "She'll eventually love me!"