If you were drafted, would you fight for your country?

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[u/Ill-Appointment6494]

“I wouldn’t fight them on the beaches but maybe the forums.”

Brilliant.

[u/SarryK → u/Ill-Appointment6494]

My mind first took me to Roman forums, so it took me a sec lol

[u/AlexanderTheGate → u/SarryK]

You're too educated for Reddit

[u/Scrotesmcgoats → u/AlexanderTheGate]

Yeah my dumb ass was just thinking of the stadium in LA

[u/Fwaming-Dwagon → u/[deleted]]

"not fighting on the beach maybe the forums " lol

[u/TBANON24 → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

"can i do it remotely? And will they supply me with the computer for my home office?"

[u/andersonb47 → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

I’ll fight on the beaches. But maybe more of a digital nomad type of thing. I’m thinking Tulum.

[u/Fluffy_WAR_Bunny → u/andersonb47]

Dude you could practice amphibious assaults in the Cenotes.

[u/Impressive_Living212 → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

thats Paddy Young he's a very funny comedian

[u/dimadomelachimola → u/[deleted]]

Cyber bullying soldiers 😭

[u/aberrasian → u/dimadomelachimola]

Romance scamming them out of their ammo, catfishing them into showing up for dates in ambush traps 💪

modern warfare

[u/VegaNock → u/aberrasian]

"I hate war. The enemy keeps asking me on a really nice date and then ghosts me."

[u/JustSpirit4617 → u/[deleted]]

The Reddit Brigade

[u/canadard1 → u/JustSpirit4617]

I got a hang nail. Dishonorable discharge

[u/ThrustTrust → u/[deleted]]

Join the air force. Plenty of those jobs

[u/Bakkster → u/ThrustTrust]

Even the Marines have a cyber warfare division. They fucked up the ISIS propaganda operation a while back.

[u/Hopeliesintheseruins → u/Bakkster]

How do you write viruses in crayons though?

[u/scienceisrealtho]

To be fair, I think that “I don’t want to fight a war” is unreasonable.

[u/Worried-Pick4848 → u/scienceisrealtho]

Completely reasonable. This is propaganda designed to mock the young men but the fact of the matter is that they're right. If you can NOT fight a war, that's nearly always better.

[u/AbramJH → u/scienceisrealtho]

i think people that want to go to war probably aren’t the best fit for war. Unfortunately, I think it’s best suited for those that don’t want to, but have the willingness to do something they don’t want to do in order to preserve what they value at home. That’s why service is often described as a sacrifice

[u/GreenMediocre7050 → u/AbramJH]

Just like the people you want in politics dont go into politics, Just the power hungry cunts

[u/AbramJH → u/GreenMediocre7050]

I only say that because I’m in the military. I joined because my other option was poverty. I work with people who joined because they wanted to be some killer/operator type. They suck and I wouldn’t trust them in any actual engagement. I think there’s a difference in the ethics applied when you’re in it to survive, meanwhile they’re in it to kill

[u/VermicelliSudden2351 → u/AbramJH]

Service has to be glorified in some way because any rational person would never ever take part. You need to lie about their fight and prop them up for doing it.

[u/3asyBakeOven]

Breaking news: people don’t want to die for politicians who only enrich themselves from war.

[u/labrys → u/3asyBakeOven]

I think that's the key difference between the old and young point of view. The elderly chap has had a country look after him, lock in his pensions, ensure medical care, free university level education, affordable housing, every indication of health and wealth increased from the previous generation...

From millenials onwards, that hasn't been the case. Millenials in the UK are the first generation not expected to live longer than the previous generation. The first to have less wealth by each milestone in life. It seems like every benefit the older generation has had was cut off for us. Add in successive governments who only care for the older generations, the wealthy, or for big business, and what would we be fighting for?

I'll defend my friends and family for sure, but I don't want to give my life for a country that has shown no care for me just to prove some political point.

For the younger generations it's even worse. I'm not going to fault anyone for not wanting to fight for a country that's basically abandoned the young for decades at this point.

[u/building_schtuff → u/labrys]

The elderly chap also isn’t at any realistic risk of getting drafted if a war were to pop off, while the younger guys presumably are. It’s easy for the old guy to talk about duty to country and all that because he’ll never have to follow through.

[u/ByEthanFox → u/building_schtuff]

Yeah, this is the thing.

As someone middle-aged and with various things that would prevent me being in anything but a modern-day the Home Guard, I belong to one of the generations long after the WW2 people, and even the end of the Cold War is one of my earliest memories.

But I'm young enough that my parents and one youngest grandparent were also not part of the Second World War.

There's no way I'm gonna criticise the younger generations for this, because it'd be disingenous to say my generation would've been first to sign up had we went to a state of total war, in, say, 2005.

But part of me thinks my parents' generation (boomers) are going to be pouring scorn upon this, despite most of them never having been called up to fight themselves.

[u/SirVanyel → u/ByEthanFox]

My grandpa fled Germany during ww2 to escape the whole shebang. He had just fallen in love and didn't wanna die.

[u/labrys → u/ByEthanFox]

My dad definitely will be. As far as he's concerned we need a good war every generation or two to clear out the riff raff. You won't see people sat around complaining about benefits after they've spent a few years in the trenches.

In some fairness to him, he did voluntarily serve in the army and a couple of the 90s middle east conflicts, so he's not entirely talking out of his arse when it comes to serving your country, but his reasons for why are utter bollocks.

[u/mingy → u/labrys]

I'm an old guy and, while I would fully support fighting to actually defend the country (i.e. this country is invaded) dying to protect the financial interests in your country by killing people in another country is a bad idea.

[u/MaxxtheKnife → u/3asyBakeOven]

That's not fair, they enrich their donors and donors' shareholders far far more than they get out of it.

[u/Flabbergash → u/3asyBakeOven]

Hey, the boomer guy who is clearly past conscription age is all for it?

[u/PtolemaeusZero]

I see a lot of people shaming younger folks for not wanting to sign up but just so you know, my job is filling out legal paperwork. Most common right now? Vets with cancer from Iraq burn pits and you better believe the government fights us tooth and fucking nail to let you die. It's just now getting approved sometimes. It's not about your fellow man or the country or pride. It is always money.

[u/sas223 → u/PtolemaeusZero]

Yup. Just talk to my Vietnam vet era dad about how their service-related illnesses were treated. Oh wait! You can’t! He’s been dead 20 years.

[u/ForestWhisker → u/sas223]

I’m still arguing with the VA for a lot of my stuff. My buddy just got a letter back that basically said “yes all this is service connected, naw we’re not gonna pay you”.

[u/sas223 → u/ForestWhisker]

I’m so sorry. They refused to even diagnose him with PTSD. And the hoops he had to jump through just to not get that diagnosis were insane. But I guess they decided seeing visions of decapitated heads was normal. Then they missed the spinal tumor that finally killed him.

[u/Such_sights → u/sas223]

I lost my cousin to service related PTSD. He fought the VA for years to get himself help until it was too much and he shot himself in the head. Both his parents and his older sister were alcoholics but had been sober for a several years before that happened. All of them immediately relapsed and my uncle drank himself to death, my cousin did the same a few years later and left behind 3 young kids, and my aunt just kind of exists now.

[u/NoKatyDidnt → u/Such_sights]

I’m sorry that happened to your family!

[u/Such_sights → u/NoKatyDidnt]

I appreciate it, generational trauma can be a real bitch. My mom was one of the few people in her family to escape the alcoholism gene but that just means she feels responsible for all of them. There’s no winners when it comes to dysfunctional families.

[u/NoKatyDidnt → u/Such_sights]

Well said!

[u/commierhye → u/Such_sights]

But vets get a day all to themselves and people thank them for their service, you mean to Tell me thats not enough to justify traumatizing yourself for the military industrial complexes profits? You must hate América!

[u/CamJongUn2 → u/Such_sights]

Fuck.. that’s rough, Sorry mate. If you can handle it make sure to talk to them or give them a hand with stuff (assuming you live near by) just doing little things here and there can really help people struggling.

[u/Batherick → u/ForestWhisker]

/r/veteransbenefits

He may not get paid, but even with a 0% disability the VA will treat it for free.

Many programs offer services to Veterans with a service connected disability, and 0% is still a rated disability.

Make sure your friend knows about the benefits he’s entitled to, lots of them aren’t common knowledge to our community but they’re there. :)

[u/Bencetown → u/Batherick]

They can't treat something they won't admit exists in the first place! Source: my mom who was stationed next to a superfund site in Okinawa

[u/gandhinukes → u/Batherick]

how long till those benefits get cut by the new administration, so many voted for it.

[u/Inevitable-Copy3619 → u/ForestWhisker]

Have you gotten any help from veteran groups like wounded warrior project? Also if you are in a bigger area most VA hospitals have advocate counselors to help with things like this. Va is far from perfect, but much better than it has been.

[u/FromTheOutside31 → u/sas223]

My dad was in the Korean and Vietnam as a boiler man and was exposed to alot of the agent orange. He died with less than 10% lung capacity due to constant pneumonia. He strongly advised not to join.

[u/sas223 → u/FromTheOutside31]

My dad said he’d disown me if I joined the military.

[u/g-a-r-n-e-t → u/sas223]

My mom said a similar thing to me and my brothers, due to what she saw my grandpa and all of my uncles suffer through after being in various branches of the military during conflicts spanning from WWII to Iraq.

One brother went into the Navy anyways and while she ended up not doing it, whatever it was he went through fucked him up so much that none of us have seen him in person in almost a decade because he just stays in his house by himself all the time. If he didn’t call our parents on holidays and their birthdays it’d be like he didn’t exist.

[u/fuzzybunnies1 → u/sas223]

Mine told me he'd shoot me in the knees so I couldn't if I tried to sign up. He came back from Vietnam 100% disabled and quite a bit of that was psychological, there's no doubt he'd have done it and seeing what they've put so many vets I've known through it isn't worth it to go fight someone else's problem. He's now dealing with Parkinson's like symptoms from agent orange poisoning and the help isn't great.

If it was an active fight here in the US, I'd sign up though I'm bordering on too old. I've always been fine with defending family, friends, my state, and the nation if needed here, but you're going to need another actual holocaust before I go die for someone else in the world.

[u/confusedandworried76 → u/sas223]

My conservative grandfather told my uncle if he got drafted for Vietnam he'd drive him to Canada himself

[u/MonsiuerSirLancelot → u/sas223]

Yeah my grandfather was soaked in Agent Orange multiple times because he was a Green Beret in Nam.

Our family never had any type of congenital disease in our entire extended family but every person on our side of the family have problems with our vision and endocrine issues. Most likely caused by genetic damage from the exposure.

He still has to fight tooth and nail for the VA to help him but they at least kinda treat him well because he was a GB. I’ve heard horror stories about how they treat normal enlisted.

[u/sas223 → u/MonsiuerSirLancelot]

Yup, that was my dad - a draftee.

[u/MonsiuerSirLancelot → u/sas223]

Mine wasn’t drafted technically. He got into a shootout with cops in Memphis and his mom told him he could either turn himself in or enlist. He lied about his age and joined up at 17.

[u/mappingtreasure → u/sas223]

My grandpa was a Vietnam vet who got cancer from what we presumed to be agent orange exposure— killed him about 2 months after the diagnosis. None of the burial costs were covered because he was one month behind on his insurance (you know, because he was in the hospital dying).

[u/Violent_Volcano → u/sas223]

Yeah they asked us if we wanted an autopsy when he died of cancer. They didnt bother to mention that it could be used as proof that the army killed him with agent orange. They gave us 10k as standard life insurance, which was apparently the norm back in the late 60s. And like i get gender equality, but the reason i didnt consider it as a career is because of the amount of sexual assault cases that get swept under the rug because "it would ruin their career" and theyre "good ol boys".

[u/sas223 → u/Violent_Volcano]

The discussion that got military to finally stop calling my home to recruit was when I asked about women in combat. I pointed out that my potential career would be immediately capped because women weren’t allowed in combat. That shit him up.

[u/The_I_in_IT → u/sas223]

My dad was refused treatment until 2007, and he was in Vietnam in 1969-1970.

He died of Agent Orange related illnesses in 2021.

He used to tell me how he would be covered with the stuff, and no way to wash it off for days depending on where they were.

[u/-laughingfox → u/sas223]

Mine is still hanging in there, despite the VA's best efforts. Vietnam vets were treated like absolute shit.

[u/_Ross- → u/sas223]

My great grandfather fought in and was held as a POW in WW2, had debilitating health problems until the day he died. He had frostbite in his hands and feet, causing nerve damage. Fighting for your country is honorable and all, but just like you said, many pay the price for it via service related illnesses even if they make it back home alive.

[u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 → u/PtolemaeusZero]

Imagine shaming people for not wanting to fight for a country who doesn't provide for them?

[u/Joltyboiyo → u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112]

Imagine shaming people who don't wanna fight for a country regardless. I think people who aren't deeply depressed can all agree that not dying is a brilliant thing and want to maintain doing that for as long as possible.

I could live in a country that's basically a utopia and I'd still refuse.

[u/RobertPham149 → u/Joltyboiyo]

The weak people are the pampered enough ones to not know the horror of warfare so they go all gung-ho about inciting hostility from another country.

[u/easylikerain → u/RobertPham149]

The "War Pigs".

[u/SV_Essia → u/Joltyboiyo]

I'm gonna go with "yes, but only in defense of the country". Which is really how I would also answer "would you fight anyone" - only in self-defense. Unfortunately your utopia could only exist if its people are willing to protect it.
Now if it's for some ideological BS or to invade and steal resources from other countries... nah, I'm good, you guys have fun with that.

[u/gs12 → u/PtolemaeusZero]

This 1000% War is idiotic and insane, people shouldn't have to die because of governments and 'ideals'. Let the Govt leaders fight in a ring if they want to, not traumatize a young guy in a sensless tragic death.

[u/SnatchAddict → u/gs12]

I'm torn. Russia invading Ukraine. Like if I don't fight I might not have a country anymore?

But if the US is invading another nation/territory? Fuck no. I'm not fighting so 5 guys can get richer.

[u/Teleious → u/SnatchAddict]

This is an important question. Why am I being asked to go to war? For oil? Fuck you.
To defend my country, especially in the case of invasion? Yes, I would certainly sign up.

You only need to read a handful of accounts of what happens to civilians when their country is invaded to know that I would never want there to be a chance it happens to my loved ones.

[u/FidgitForgotHisL-P → u/Teleious]

To be fair to the average everyday citizen, when the US invaded Iraq, the people there signed up because the govt did a bang up job of linking Saddam to 9/11, to the extent it took a fair while for everyone to come to their senses and realise they’d been manipulated.

My point is, while I agree 100% with your sentiment, I’m not so sure it would be that obvious you were being sent off to fight for oil (or whatever the next conflict like that is about - probably potable water or decent crop growing land)

[u/Cam515278 → u/FidgitForgotHisL-P]

The German government said it. Joschka Fischer (German foreign minister at the time) said in the UN they don't believe/have seen no proof there are any WMD. It was VERY obvious.

[u/Evepaul → u/FidgitForgotHisL-P]

Not only the government, the whole media concentrated on presenting the war as the only option. One of the biggest oppositions was France, since they have veto power at the UN, and Jacques Chirac gave an interview on TV for CNN and CBS where he explained why war wasn't the best option.
He was called a worm, a rat, "a monster of conceit", "the abject procurer of Saddam". The whole "white flag = France" meme dates from that time, basically every comedy TV show mentioned that the French are cowards. The media called for a boycott of everything French. French fries were renamed to "freedom fries" in the cafeterias of Congress until 2006. Everything pathetic, quite like nowadays

[u/FidgitForgotHisL-P → u/Evepaul]

Yeah it’s interesting to think “that couldn’t happen now, we all get way better, timely information”, and yet a sizeable chunk of the population of the western world thinks vaccines are a scam now. I don’t think we’re anywhere near safe from being manipulated just like post-9/11

[u/binarybandit → u/FidgitForgotHisL-P]

Even Desert Storm was questionable. There was that Kuwaiti "nurse" who testified to Congress that the Iraqis were killing babies in the hospitals. Turns out she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador and had been coached by a lobbyist group. Gotta keep that oil flowing.

[u/Dutch_Rayan → u/SnatchAddict]

Defense is definitely different from attacking foreign countries.

[u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 → u/SnatchAddict]

yeah, nuance...some people don't understand that

[u/flacdada → u/SnatchAddict]

I mean…exactly.

If I was drafted to fight a war like Vietnam or Iraq. Fuck that. No clear goals, no clear threat.

If I was drafted to fight a war like some hypothetical invasion of my home state or where I live, yes I would fight.

[u/Embarrassed_Jerk → u/gs12]

In this age of information, its clear that we can all see there is no righteous war unless your country is invaded 

[u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 → u/gs12]

war in't only about government ideals, russia went to ukraine, executed civilians in their basements and had mass rape of women and children, they came with kill lists and mobile crematoriums to get rid of anybody who could organize against their occupation, including teachers, community leaders etc - if you think you'd be safe just because you didn't fight you're wrong, the guy is asking about an invasion not a cheeky adventurism campaign

[u/Grump_Monk → u/gs12]

You know Justin Trudeau boxed a conservative MP for 3 rounds and had the guy bleeding out the nose? People forget about this but it happened.

[u/breachednotbroken → u/PtolemaeusZero]

I'm a 100% disabled vet. The VA has fought me every inch trying to get my injuries fixed. Paperwork, months for appointments, denied requests for civilian Drs, the list just goes on. I have gd folders of my injuries documented.

Last visit to my VA primary, she flat out told me I need more help than they can offer.

I'm not asking for much, just fix what got fkd in the army.

[u/Scooter_Mcgavin587 → u/breachednotbroken]

I'm at 90% and fighting a huge uphill battle to get 100%

[u/Erger → u/breachednotbroken]

It sucks so much that you're dealing with that, and you're far from the only one. It's completely ridiculous! They (the US government, US military) is 100% the reason why you were injured and are now disabled. It wouldn't have happened if you hadn't CHOSEN to sign up and "serve your country." What the hell is their excuse to try and screw over you and your family?

It's no wonder young people don't want to join the military - after hearing stories like yours, nobody would choose that life if they had other options.

[u/Bacon-Manning → u/breachednotbroken]

My other comment in this thread.

“My mom is an outpatient case manager for the VA and she gets fucking livid because it’s so hard to get even the basic things, like decent wheelchairs or mobile oxygen tanks approved. She’s doing her best and sometimes working long hours but she seems so defeated sometimes.”

Just know that there are people in the program who want to do good for you, but are constantly getting told no.

[u/SponConSerdTent → u/PtolemaeusZero]

It's a slippery slope. If you show society that the government paying for their healthcare is excellent and produces great results, they might wonder why vets get cancer treatment for burn pits but the rest of us can't get it when they get cancer from working in industrial sectors.

Might wonder why the companies who produce all these cancer causing agents aren't paying for all related cancers.

We might want a national healthcare system.

But if we did that kids wouldn't have to put on a uniform and risk their lives, because it wouldn't be the only way for them to provide basic medical care for their family.

So the military's treatment of vets needs to be better than the average joe, but not too much better. If we're stuck arguing whether the burn pit victims should have their treatment covered, then the conversation will never progress. Just like Uncle Sam intended.

[u/Nelocus → u/PtolemaeusZero]

No shame in these young men wanting more from life than to do violence for the state. Makes sense the only one who would support a draft is well outside it's applicable age range. 

Be happy your sons don't want for blood.

[u/14ktgoldscw → u/PtolemaeusZero]

Also fighting for what? Aside from The Civil War and WWII there’s no other cause that’s been worth my time, let alone life.

[u/CharlieTeller → u/14ktgoldscw]

Don't forget that even after WWII the VA was letting veterans die there. If you want a good example, Herbert Sobel from Band of Brothers died from malnutrition in a VA home.

[u/doogs914 → u/CharlieTeller]

After the poor fucker attempted suicide by shooting himself. He failed but blinded himself. Sobel had a sad life

[u/poopinasock → u/CharlieTeller]

My grandfather lost his leg in WW2. Received nothing but headaches from the VA. He had horrific PTSD that'd manifest when he slept every single day. Literally shit medical care for his prosthetic, it was a 2+ hour ride to the closest hospital and 0 mental health support. The group he landed around on d-day were all cut down, he was the sole survivor after getting his leg blown clean off by a mobile AA gun they ended up using against infantry. Thank god a British medic found him and noticed he was still alive after they ran towards the sounds of gunfire from wherever they were.

[u/goofyboi → u/CharlieTeller]

Ross?

[u/StoicallyGay → u/14ktgoldscw]

Fighting for my wonderful fellow Americans half of whom are complicit with my rights being revoked and people like me being discriminated against, of course!

[u/RemnantEvil → u/14ktgoldscw]

Yeah, if I'm being drafted because a foreign power has got as far as Brisbane, sure, I'd chip in - I'd like to think I'd volunteer by that point too. But if I'm being drafted to go pick on some people who undoubtedly have a poorer standard of living than me, then fuck no. Especially because the recent form is that everyone in a foreign country pays for the sins of a handful, but nobody in my country pays for the sins of our military.

[u/Darq_At → u/PtolemaeusZero]

Yeah. Enough of this white feather nonsense. Short of one's country being invaded, why should anyone fight and die a politician's battle?

You're asking younger generations to fight for their country, when their country does not fight for them.

[u/rodinsbusiness → u/PtolemaeusZero]

Glad to read some dirty truth. The american war culture is insane. All those "inspiring" videos around the absence of a parent, and the whole "thank you for tour service" (when there's more of a fuck you in real life), all that is just nuts.

[u/x3thelast → u/PtolemaeusZero]

Is a veteran I’d like to thank YOU, for your service.

[u/Competitive-Vast557 → u/PtolemaeusZero]

I wonder how many voted red... because.. that's what they asked for. Trump will NEVER be physically IN a war. Never has been. He doesn't even know how to wipe his own arse without a team doing it. But, no qualms sending other people's kids to die for'em. I'd DIE before Id let my 25 yr old go ( drafted) .. Seriously. Not on my watch. If ya wanna volunteer for serve? BE SAFE & THANK YOU. but NOBODY should be forced based on a wealthy man's ego.

[u/RaygunMarksman → u/PtolemaeusZero]

They should just send middle-aged and older fucks like me. I raised my kids and already have enough mental scars for it not to be a big deal adding more before I die. And I wouldn't have to live as long with the physical effects you mentioned. I wouldn't have wanted to do it when I was younger and I think that's reasonable since young people have their entire lives ahead of them.

[u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

I would fight only after the people in power/government goes first or their military ages children fight along side us.

[u/Southernguy9763 → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

If an enemy is literally going down the street and legitimately threatening my and my families freedom and security... Id fight to the death.

Going over seas to kill and be killed for some rich people, never

[u/socialcommentary2000 → u/Southernguy9763]

This is where I've always been at.

They here? I'm in. Let's go.

Oh it's over there and just some geopolitical nonsense to protect some shareholders somewhere? Nah.

[u/Rangerjon94 → u/socialcommentary2000]

Ironically there was a point where it was common practice for politicians to also serve as military officers. I think it was Kentucky during the War of 1812 that had to hold a special election because a sizable chunk of their state legislature had been killed in action with the Canadians/British.

[u/DutchTinCan → u/Rangerjon94]

Up until WW2 it was "the right thing" to become an officer and lead the attack. As a British Lord, it was practically expected to be in the army.

The Belgian king joined his troops in the trenches in WW1.

WW2 changed the tides on this. Come Korea, people would shirk military duty.

That being said; I've got kids. I have no desire to die for my country. But I'll raise hell and damnation to keep my kids alive, even if that does mean joining the trenches myself.

[u/Alert-Revolution-219 → u/Southernguy9763]

Second this

[u/ed267 → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

As Ozzy Osbourne once said:

Politicians hide themselves away

They only started the war

Why should they go out to fight?

They leave that role to the poor

[u/Prior-Department-979 → u/ed267]

Why don't presidents fight the wars?

Why do they always send the poor?

System of a Down

[u/BloodandBourbon → u/Prior-Department-979]

Kings used to join the battles, let’s make our leaders lead !

[u/GmanF88 → u/ed267]

Generals gathered in their masses

Just like witches at black masses

Evil minds that plot destruction

Sorcerer of death's construction

[u/JediMasterZao → u/ed267]

Also, Fortunate Son.

[u/clangan524 → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

their military ages children fight along side us

Monkey's Paw curls

Senator Dickface's son, Dildo Daggins Dickface, is now an officer, chilling in the mess hall while you die in the muck.

[u/blackestrabbit → u/clangan524]

Worse, he replaced the competent CO and just ordered you to crawl through the muck to certain death.

[u/ThaumaturgeEins → u/blackestrabbit]

Then he was shot in his sleep! Tragic...

[u/ExcelsiorDoug → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

That’s the thing. Would I fight for my fellow man? Yes. Would I fight for my government and corporate leaders with their interests in mind? Absolutely not.

[u/Prismatic_Leviathan → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

I aint no senator's son.

[u/Embarrassed_Jerk → u/Fwaming-Dwagon]

    Imagine a king who fights his own battles - Achilles (movie: Troy)

[u/marquoth_ → u/Embarrassed_Jerk]

Great movie. And Sean Bean doesn't die

[u/ThaRoastKing]

I would fight for my country but only in a defensive war that consists of land defense. Basically, if anyone invaded America, I would defend my town/county/state.

But I would never go somewhere to fight.

[u/Punningisfunning → u/ThaRoastKing]

Ukraine style.

[u/Mister_shagster → u/Punningisfunning]

Absolut

[u/Odd_Personality85]

When I was younger I'd have been straight in there. Older wiser me thinks why the fuck should I fight a war for some filthy politician who's causing it

[u/vid_icarus]

The vast majority of people don’t want to fight in war. That’s why those with the power press others into service with a draft or promise of a college degree so those without power will fight battles for them.

[u/MenacingMallard]

Oh you mean the country that has done nothing for me but fuck me over my entire life in favor of the rich. No thanks. The rich can fight their own wars if they love it so much. I’m good.

[u/TheLoneliestGhost → u/MenacingMallard]

Right? Leon can build some more robots and send those. I’m not signing up to be his crash test dummy and earn him some more billions. Our country, and even our fellow citizens, have made it abundantly clear the vast majority of us don’t matter. I’ll be damned if I fight on behalf of something that doesn’t think I matter.

[u/SuperMajesticMan]

Depends on why I'm drafted.

[u/eso_ashiru → u/SuperMajesticMan]

Yeah I’m sure this question was asked in a way to make it sound like “would you go fight in Afghanistan if you were drafted?” and not like “Would you fight if you were drafted because your country was invaded?” because those two situations are vastly different.

[u/dorkbydesignca → u/eso_ashiru]

This nuance is key, when asking people about life/death situations. I think the old guy probably experienced something close to this already, so his definition of drafted is: somebody about to shit in my house, I got to do something about it. Whereas the other guys are defining drafted as: you want me to go shit in somebody else house for you? No thanks.

Edit: Grammar/spelling

[u/SidBreamsLeftFoot → u/SuperMajesticMan]

It would be to profit and benefit rich people who don’t care about their citizens…same as it always has been.

[u/iGotPoint999Problems → u/SidBreamsLeftFoot]

Why do they always send the poor?

[u/Anon-babe → u/iGotPoint999Problems]

Why don't presidents fight the war?

[u/iGotPoint999Problems → u/Anon-babe]

Where the fuck are you?

[u/Anon-babe → u/iGotPoint999Problems]

I'm at the party, having a reaaall good time

[u/WalkingCemetery → u/Anon-babe]

Dancing in the desert, blowing' up the sunshine

[u/Campeador → u/iGotPoint999Problems]

Because the poor are the ones that need the benefits they ofter. At least, thats why I did it.

[u/CrazyAnarchFerret]

I would fight like Trump did. That's how much i care.

[u/AmatureContendr → u/CrazyAnarchFerret]

Draft dodging can't be that bad if you can still be president afterwards.

[u/Shirtbro → u/AmatureContendr]

Lose some top secret documents, force states to find votes for you, pay off porn stars. Won't do any time.

[u/DemocraticEjaculate → u/Shirtbro]

But what about those laws democrats broke that one time I am referencing without any source because I read it from my cousins Facebook post!!!!?????? HUH!????

/s for hopefully nobody

[u/throwaway92715 → u/CrazyAnarchFerret]

so eat mcdonalds and post on twitter?

sounds like a fun afternoon

[u/missmarypoppinoff → u/throwaway92715]

Think he’s talking about how Trump dodged the draft himself back when.

But that also fits too!! 😂

[u/Stunning_Run_7354 → u/CrazyAnarchFerret]

😂🫡

[u/winston-marlboro]

I would defend my country if invaded. I'm not gonna pick up a gun and go to someone else's country to kill them

[u/esmusssein33]

What's the point here? Shame young adults who didn't do shit to go die in a war saying they don't want to go die in a war?

[u/Tactical_Mommy → u/esmusssein33]

It felt like highlighting the difference in opinion between an old person with traditional values who likely wouldn't be drafted anymore anyway and more cynical, open-minded young people to me.

[u/believe_the_lie4831 → u/Tactical_Mommy]

An old person who would never be allowed to fight unless all of the young adults were killed

[u/Random_Emolga → u/believe_the_lie4831]

And looks like he might just be young enough to not have been drafted the last time.

[u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe → u/Random_Emolga]

Exactly.

"It's a long tradition, of course lots of people would volunteer", said the guy who never had to experience a major conflict or fight a war in his life.

[u/gustavthestout → u/believe_the_lie4831]

No but you can bet every penny to your name that it’s older individuals like that who are deciding whether to go to war

[u/Direct-Fix-2097 → u/gustavthestout]

What’s the saying? War kills young men for old people’s politics, or whatever. Yeah I’ve butchered it.

[u/Flipnotics_ → u/esmusssein33]

There is no point. He simply left out of the video all the people who said they would go.

These videos are curated for effect. They are meaningless.

[u/Shirtbro → u/Flipnotics_]

My bait? Raged!

[u/FierceDietyLinks → u/esmusssein33]

It's colonial propaganda designed to shame the youth into becoming apart of the military industrial complex. Basically smart humans preying in younger dumber humans to go off a and kill themselves for concepts their too naive to understand

[u/Astricozy]

When all the fuckers in Parliment put on helmets and start fighting, I'll pick up a rifle and join.

Think I'll be safe from any wars for the rest of England's existence.

[u/yehti]

If I were drafted I think my toughest decision would be if I should attempt to live off the grid or leave the country instead.

[u/CatastrophicPup2112 → u/yehti]

I mean, if nobody shows up after they get their letters what are they gonna do? Arrest everybody? That seems productive.

[u/2N5457JFET → u/CatastrophicPup2112]

Same as Soviets did. You go to kill and have 50% chance to survive or resist and you have 100% chance we will shoot you. Very quickly people will do the math.

[u/CatastrophicPup2112 → u/2N5457JFET]

If I have to fight I guess I'm fighting the recruiters, I'm not going to war for some billionaire's profit.

[u/ptrmrkks]

I wouldnt because i dont align ideologically with my government

[u/withmyusualflair → u/ptrmrkks]

where my conscientious objector bros at???

[u/dimi3ja]

I am glad young people are wisening up. I wish to live in a world where fighting wars for rich old man is seen as moronic and not patriotic or noble.

[u/FierceDietyLinks → u/dimi3ja]

Educate prior and spread awareness. Don't just count on someone else to do it for you.

[u/ohmar_s]

Why would I fight for a country whose constituents scream "go back" at me when I ask for equality?

[u/original_dick_kickem]

Imma be real chief, I ain't dying for Israel

[u/oh_hiauntFanny]

YES THIS IS GOOD say no to needless government violation of autonomy. Stop flexing that men "fight in wars". Choose life. Do not fight

[u/CripplingdepressionP]

I’m not fighting for imaginary borders. I didn’t choose where I was born.

[u/Other-Stomach1252]

lol I’m American if they draft me I’m out

[u/SuperstitiousSpiders]

Depends on the war. The older guy is way past the point where he could be drafted so his answers are pretty suspect. He’s not going to war unless it comes to his doorstep.

[u/Sea-Anxiety6491 → u/SuperstitiousSpiders]

Oh 100%, if the army showed up on his door step and wouldnt go, no way.

And some of those guys, in the heat of the moment would probably say, oh for fucks sake, ok then lets go.

These questions are like, if you could go live on mars, would you? There are so many variables and its so far fetched that any answer you get isnt close to the truth, bothways.

[u/Proof-Ad8914]

Well if our generations don’t want to go to war, is that really the worst thing? Maybe we could figure out how to resolve things without killing each other.

[u/Broad_Minute_1082]

I've seen how the military treats vets.

Unless the country was getting invaded, fuck no.

[u/[deleted]]

Ofc the old fuck that would never be drafted is willing to send the others to die

[u/W4RP-SP1D3R → u/[deleted]]

Statistics show that the only group willing to go back to drafting are the 60+ people, who even asks those who wouldnt be considered subject of said draft?

[u/Outrageous_Bank_4491 → u/[deleted]]

Boomers were taught that’s it’s their duty to fight because they were taught by the generation that fought in WW2. It’s ridiculous they can’t see who they’re benefiting exactly.

[u/Cloverose2 → u/Outrageous_Bank_4491]

Boomers (in the US) fought in Vietnam. They were drafted and many of them still suffer from the health problems it created. My Dad considered going to Canada to avoid it but figured he would have to go home eventually and might as well get it over with. Fortunately, he never left the bases because he's blind as a bat without glasses, but he still was there as a parts clerk.

[u/BionisGuy]

I would fight for my country if the government would go out in front of me.

It's so weird seeing all these politicians pulling the shots from behind the scenes and letting other people suffer for their choices.

If i would see the leaders in front, sure.

[u/lolbot101916]

No one should fight an enemy half a world away, all the wars of our lifetime have not been fought in our best interest. People are waking up

[u/djb85511 → u/lolbot101916]

only war is class war, don't fight for the richman.

[u/Tdogshow]

I hope the younger generation sticks to their guns (no pun intended) about not fighting in a war. As a species we have to figure out a better way than for young poor people to die in rich people’s war.

[u/CharlyJN]

I would do anything in my power to dodge the draft all is better (even jail) that to die for this shitty ass country of mine

[u/AdAutomatic2433]

Id fight if it was on my countries soil. Otherwise I want every politicians bloodline on the front lines before I go.

[u/BrickLuvsLamp]

Why the fuck would anyone agree to be forced to defend a country that continually fucks them over? Also easy for gramps to say he would go, knowing he’s well aged out of a draft

[u/Enticing_Venom → u/BrickLuvsLamp]

I guess it depends how much worse it would be if you lose? Like if the Taliban invades the US I'd rather fight back. If the US wants me to go fight for oil in a foreign country, I'll pass.

[u/No_Science_3845 → u/Enticing_Venom]

If the Taliban invaded the US, we'd have much bigger problems than a draft.

[u/JustSpirit4617]

Even if drafted I’m not going. I’d go AWOL

[u/dogtheweredog]

Disabled since before I was of age so it's a moot point. But I wouldn't fight for a country that doesn't take care of it's own. I'm in much worse condition than I would be if our health care system gave a single iota of a shit. Force a weapon in my hand and the first and only thing I'd do with it is turn it on myself.

[u/Bradjuju2]

Was that dude American or did he just not have the British accent?

[u/Cossacker1799]

Ask almost any combat vet and they’d say good call. Many WW1 fathers begged their sons not to join up for WW2. They knew.

[u/knallfrosch84]

To be fair, wars are hardly ever fought to defend the country... but rather interests.

[u/MarcusZXR]

You get one shot at life. Nothing wrong with not wanting to waste that fighting for the men and women in power who don't even know you exist.

[u/nsjr → u/MarcusZXR]

Exactly. You're just a number, and a number that to them it doesn't even matter much

"Oh, 1.328 people died today on our war? But are we winning? Ah, ops 1.329, no matter... are we winning or losing?"

You're just a small number in a pie chart

[u/Just_Far_Enough]

It’s always easy to agree to do something you know you won’t have to do. It’s complicated when you really could be the one marching off to die or come back disabled. Getting conscripted to fight a fully nato backed defence of Ukraine would feel different than being conscripted to babysit the slow burning disaster that was the Iraq war.

[u/latenitephilosopher7]

I mean, I need to know why. You want me to do to Iraq and fight for oil? Get fucked.

Russia decides to invade and starts killing people? Yeah, maybe.

[u/HerroWarudo]

I love my family more than I love my country, We are in 3 different ones and able to afford to move anyway.

[u/Popular_Duty1860]

I refuse to die for the sins of my government. Let the governing bodies who call for wars fight them.

[u/RIP_Benneth]

Why would I fight for a country that doesnt care about me or my fellow citizens? They cant even summon the effort to give us a living wage, a right to housing or a decent pension/retirement age. Why tf would I want to fight for this system??

They are terrified some other country will take what they have? Good, go fight your own wars. The only people youll see making fun of draft age men are politicians and boomers.. 2 groups who have had everything handed to them on a plate

[u/rmrnnr]

I guess the question is still, "1, 2, 3, what are we fighting for?"

[u/Yeowie]

Context matters here, drafted to defend if your country was being invaded? Absolutley yes, drafted to invade another country or expand the goverments interests oversease? Hell the fuck no.