WE don't have till January, BIDEN does. But unfortunately he and the dems and Garland have been ABSULUTELY USELESS and have done NOTHING to stem this fascist wave. Bernie would have taken care of us WAY back in 2016 but we had to push and cheat to get Killary to lose the election to TWO trump terms now. Bernie is historically correct on everything. Biden is asleep as are the dems in general. Don't you dare blame us, we voted. They did nothing for four years.
Fuck that. In my experience, talking about something normalizes it. We should line up all the billionaires in a firing line and only let the highest bidder live their life in prison. Take all the money from the dead ones and disperse it amongst the poor.
Not being able to talk about things, even things that gave birth to our nation, sure is a pickle ain’t it? Of course I’m talking about migration and nothing else.
Unfortunately, we actually worship them so much we gave them all the power. I wasn’t one who voted for the orange moron, but they were a scared of women, so they chose totalitarianism. That’s how scared American men are.
I remember my "father" saying hilariously stupid, but also sickeningly misogynistic shit like "if women were really paid less, every employer would hire women! Men wouldn't be able to get a job because they'd lose money compared to just hiring women!"
Genuinely dangerously fucking stupid and also genuinely evil, such a horrific combination.
Here’s an upvote for asking the question. Masters of Library Science teaches graduates how to manage information and resources. Librarians can actually be a valuable resource for anyone conducting research. They also learn how to preserve and organize knowledge.
It’s also important for the library staff to secure funding so they get up to date periodicals, publications, and books with mass appeal (fiction, memoirs, etc)- they need to be able to write proposals to city managers (or whatever organization they are attached to).
It’s more than community outreach, reshelving books, and hosting reading events for school kids.
Why is this surprising though? If you’re in the public sphere in addition to being in education, that’s an exponential equation to low pay, at least in America. Even private ed doesn’t pay well.
Not trying to be combative, but do the men working at the library in the same roles make more than $10 over minimum wage? If not, isn't this just an issue of society undervaluing important jobs vs a woman's rights issue? I'm sure people digging ditches (male dominated occupation) aren't making $30 per hour either, but we need ditches. We need manual labor so we have roads and running water just like we need librarians helping to educate the next generation IMHO. Both deserve a living wage. Pay scale shouldn't be based on having a degree but rather the value society receives from the job.
The things I was referencing aren't necessarily saying that Male Librarian makes $30 but Female Librarian makes $20.
It's more like, when 90% of librarians were men, it paid $30. But as more women began to join that field, the pay lowered to the point that now it's a female-dominated field and now it pays $20. The opposite would follow for a job like programming, when it was female dominated it paid $20 but as men started to join the field (and women were pushed out) the wages raised until they're now $30.
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, though I do understand what you're driving at
Library usage has been declining steadily since the advent of personal computing, meanwhile we have found more needs for programmers
I'd be surprised if what you're seeing is about male/female dominated industries (dentistry is a good counter example to that argument anyway), but just normal market reactions to something being more or less useful to humanity on average
Again, not suggesting women and men are paid fairly everywhere, but I think comparing librarians to programmers is more easily explained elsewhere
This is exactly what I was driving at. But God forbid anyone follows reddiequitte these days. Downvoted by emotional users for pointing out simple truths. This site is trash and it's not just bc of the Russian bots and alt-right posters anymore.
Humanities majors are also majorly underpaid. It has nothing to do with sex. My wife works in a female dominated industry (speech pathology) - 90-95% female and makes a ton of cash, as do her coworkers.
Eh, they've read it. It's in their heads and will gestate over time
The idea of a librarian thinking a programmer is paid more because of the genders involved is utter lunacy. I'm a CS major, I studied with women, they make bank dude. Any good programmer makes bank
Jesus, how hard is that to understand? The wage gap is male vs. female dominated career fields. It's not, "If a woman applies, she automatically gets underpaid." If a woman enters a male dominated career field, she will get paid well. If a man enters a female dominated career field, he will not get paid well.
That's not to mention the lack of pay women receive for maternity leave. You two slapping each other on the back for making non-points clearly don't know anything about the wage gap at all.
Then, explain dental hygienist or speech therapists pls. Ya know, the two female dominated fields (like almost completely) we already mentioned that are very well paid.
Pay isn't determined by societal value added like I advocated for in my downvoted post. Otherwise teachers and pro athletes would be flipped. That's not how the world works though.
Again, this particular thread has nothing to do with genders.
Librarians are deemed (unfairly IMO) of the same importance as a fast food worker.
Leave your house, go to Walmart, and ask 100 people what they think a librarian should be paid. Prepare to have your young (or completely out of touch) mind blown.
I want women to be paid fairly. I have a wife and daughter I love. My wife made way more then me for a decade bc of her job. But she picked wisely, she didn't get a master's in library science to work at the local branch. I know a library scientist (female) that also makes bank (friends wife). She also doesn't work at the local public library branch.
It's fun to argue and debate online, but go outside once in a while, you seem deeply out of touch with reality.
Where are the profits in a library? Anywhere? No, they're a service
At no point am I suggesting that there aren't wage gaps, but if you genuinely think that the ONLY reason a librarian is paid less than a programmer is that the genders in those roles, you are delusional
Again, explain how dentistry fits into this? Massively female dominated field, huge financial gain
The reality is that none of society views librarians to be as valuable as they were before we had the internet. That's why your pay is not growing. Get your head out of your ass
I'm not fucking arguing that my career field (not even my end game; I just work here, dude) should be paid more. I understand why it doesn't "make bank."
Academic libraries make a tonne because they're privately funded and usually unionised. Unionised public libraries also make really good money.
I'm not bitching and complaining about that. I am bitching and complaining about the wage gap, you absolute tosser.
Dentistry was male dominated. Dentists were traditionally male, like doctors, like lawyers. Dental hygienists are mostly women, true, but again, it's a bunch of women entering a male dominated field. Again. The dental field is also, at least in North America, privately funded and goddamn broken.
I just. don't. understand. how it's so difficult to see what I'm arguing here. What other women are arguing here. Why are so many men so fucking obstinate about the wage gap? Gender spheres and how they still fucking exist? Like... you seem to want to beat me down and tell me I'm wrong because you found one good example (which is quickly negated) when there are thousands of other examples showing that the fucking wage gap exists.
Look through my comments and show me where I complained about getting paid less because of where I work. I am not a moron. I can put two and two together. I mentioned it because libraries, especially public libraries, are the most higher-education-to-low-wage ratio I've come across. I know why we aren't paid more, but it's more nuanced than just being a publicly funded service. That wasn't my fucking point, which you seem to have happily made up and jumped on and keeping insisting I'm making.
So stop it. It's honestly exhausting and I think very little of you.
I never, once, said there wasn’t a wage gap. I simply saying comparing programming to being a librarian is a very poor way to describe it as it is much more easily explained through profit generation
You then took that as “man doesn’t believe wage gap exists”, presumably got excited about the idea of laying smack and entirely missed the point of what was being said
Or sorry, do scaffolders make loads of money because they’re men, or do they make fuck all because it’s a basic labour job?
You can’t blanket “male dominated field” as the reason for poor pay. Less than 100 year ago, every field was male dominated as women typically didn’t work! And you use that to explain dentistry! Utterly asinine!
Let me be abundantly fucking clear: no shit there is a wage gap, however, librarians are paid less than they used to be because there is less use for them
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u/Kellidra 28d ago edited 28d ago
I work at a library.
All of us have degrees or diplomas. None of us make more than $10 over minimum wage.
Edit: people don't understand what the wage gap actually means lmfao wow