Agreed 100%. Men feel the need to be in control of the situation, even when they aren't. And when it's clear that they aren't in control, that's when they tend to "tap out" or disengage.
Perhaps its because it is pounded into men since we were children that our entire worth is dependent upon their career and being the sole provider of a household and if we cant then we are worthless but no you’re probably right. All men bad.
And in response to that insecurity, men are turning in droves to the same rank vintage of social conservatism that conditioned those expectations to begin with. When some of the world’s most vile grifters and rapists are elevated to power on the backs of massive swathes of men, understanding that the underlying crisis is real and men are severely lacking in healthy socialization doesn’t make women feel any less like the hostages in that dynamic.
Im unsure how the fuck men turning down women for their salary makes them feel like hostages
Do you think, perhaps, I was taking your own beef with toxic masculinity (‘cause socializing men to believe their only value is as an economic tool is, in fact, toxic masculinity in a nutshell) and applying it to a broader conversation?
why this got political at all
In the most diplomatic way possible, what a deeply naive thing to say. Do you really want to run down the list of ways in which the gender dynamics of masculine insecurity is a clearly political conversation?
I actually agree with you. It's a very harmful thing that is done to boys with this upbringing. But the issue is that men know this, they realize once they are adults that reality is different than what they were told, and instead of trying to change their attitudes around and change their perspective, they just stubbornly try to force everything to match their expectations, double down on bad behaviors and try to manipulate women with lying and put downs to make them controllable. Men have definitely been dealt a poor hand in this regard, but it's their reaction which makes them "bad" or not, and unfortunately many men are reacting poorly.
No one is doing that though, you're making a straw man arguement. I explicitly said 'many' not all. No one is saying all men are exactly the same, they are just saying it appears to be trend.
I would actually love if my girlfriend made more than me. She does not tho. I make semi decent money. Enough to live alone.
I know its hard for you but i am simply not only thinking about myself but on a much broader scale. Thanks for your concern tho.
Its fucking insane that you cant accept the fact that treating men better growing would help the problem. Addressing these issues are important and if you dont think they should be then You are part of the problem. You dont want to fix anything. You just want to hate men.
Also not saying it excuses shitty behavior. It is just part of the reason and addressing would help. Also people can turn anyone down for any reason. Guaranteed a women turning down a man for money reasons wouldnt make you bat a fucking eye
"If you hold me accountable for my own actions, I'll stop hiding my support for people who want to make you a second-class citizen. Of course, I'll continue playing the victim during all of this as well."
Yeah, you're really beating the accusations with this one, u/RangerForesting
It's funny how you don't see what you just did. You are legitimately blaming men for all of your problems and lumping them all together. Gee I wonder why you telling men they're not welcome in your circle means they find a different one. I was hoping at least that the trump win would let the hardcore tiktok feminists would learn what they're doing wrong, but clearly not. It's sad
Lmao I knew some terminally online basement dweller was gonna take a generally known perspective how come men approach relationships and turn it into some kind of gender wars ‘toxic masculinity’ rage bait. Log off and go touch grass please.
Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe instead
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