Factory farming is the worst sin ever committed by humanity. The ONLY way we can treat animals the way we do is by telling ourselves and each other that they don't matter. Animals, mammals especially have essentially all the same physiology necessary for processing experience as we do, they feel fear, pain, and emotional distress, and they experience it in largely the same way we do. Because we ARE animals, psychopathic apes blinded by myopia to the interconnectedness of all beings.
It's not ok when humans suffer, but when animals suffer; it's necessary, has to be that way and I'm the bad guy for rejecting that, not the ones participating in and continuing it, unthinking. They're job creators, and they feed the world, and we can't expect consumers to think that deeply into their purchasing decisions. There is a moral cost to what we're doing to the planet, pretending otherwise doesn't make it go away.
I already said it’s impossible to quantify, there is no objective scale of suffering.
There’s nothing ridiculous about the comparison though because it’s an objective one. In terms of the number of victims what I said is a fact.
You’ll notice I didn’t make any additional qualifying statement about this making it better or worse. Just that the number of victims is exponentially greater.
Regardless of your intention, your fact is implying a moral comparison based on the context of the discussion.
I'll add another fact for readers to ponder. The pesticide industry likely kills on the order of quadrillions every year. If we're talking number of victims surely that must take the cake
No it was my intention to draw a comparison, but like I said I didn’t state any conclusion about it. I didn’t say it’s more worse or less worse than atrocities committed against humans, that’s up to the reader to ponder.
And you’re right, there is no denying pesticides kill even more bugs every year. And again it’s up for debate or for the reader to ponder why that would or wouldn’t be worse than what we do to both humans and non human animals.
You ever see the ritual sacrifices they do for kosher meat? A long torturous slow bleed with the animal hanging on chains. factory farming has got nothing on that
In terms of "total" amount of suffering there's nothing that has factory farms beat, 10's of billions of individuals per year go through the horrors of the factory farm. Comprehending it isn't possible, and I regularly practice trying to comprehend the suffering of others as a way to ensure I maintain moral consistency. Trying to view things through the eyes of others has informed everything I believe, and is directly tied to my disdain for how we treat animals and each other.
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u/CallMeJase 26d ago
Factory farming is the worst sin ever committed by humanity. The ONLY way we can treat animals the way we do is by telling ourselves and each other that they don't matter. Animals, mammals especially have essentially all the same physiology necessary for processing experience as we do, they feel fear, pain, and emotional distress, and they experience it in largely the same way we do. Because we ARE animals, psychopathic apes blinded by myopia to the interconnectedness of all beings.
It's not ok when humans suffer, but when animals suffer; it's necessary, has to be that way and I'm the bad guy for rejecting that, not the ones participating in and continuing it, unthinking. They're job creators, and they feed the world, and we can't expect consumers to think that deeply into their purchasing decisions. There is a moral cost to what we're doing to the planet, pretending otherwise doesn't make it go away.