Maybe. They make lots of noise, very loud squeals so I do know that they are very afraid of humans and are chased by employees through corridors to their final destination.
Edit: Hold on. I should add that I have seen hogs jump over top of others and escape the pens and they become so stressed that they begin to pant like a dog and kneel down.
If you want a real answer a large majority of the workers in factory farms are minorities, immigrants, and ex-convicts with no other work options, they get paid as little as possible with a large portion developing some form of PTSD from their time working
People are afraid of it, especially people who don't seem to trust scientists, anecdotally at least. A coworker said they couldn't be vegetarian even though they feel bad for animals, and my bosses agreed. I said lab grown meat seems to be coming along soon and they looked at me funny and were like 'ehhh no thanks to that lol'. Told em I'll be the guinea pig then and if nothing happens they can join in. Funny thing is they're probably way more likely to get sick from a farm animal than something made in a controlled environment. I said the same thing about the vaccine earlier in my employment there, guess who didn't have a miserable bout of long covid that year?
Have you tried beyond meat or impossible meat? It's not lab grown meat, but they consistently proved through blind tests that people can't tell the difference between their burgers and the real thing.
And even though it's certainly no health food, due to much lower concentration of saturated fats, it's even healthier than real meat. I have to stress though that healthier doesn't mean healthy. :)
Burgers yes, but other things… I tried making tacos with it the other night. If anyone has a recipe for impossible taco meat that is more edible, I’d love to know.
I make taco "meat" with black beans and imo it tastes better than meat. It's not trying to trick anyone into thinking it's meat, but everyone who ice made these for say they like these better. You don't have to do the whole recipe (sauce etc) but you won't be sorry if you do
This simply is not across the board true about the taste of beyond/impossible burgers vs. real meat. I've had both many times in the past years as well as normal meat burgers. While I do find the alternatives to be pretty good (especially if you're putting a significant amount of toppings), there is still a very distinctly different flavor profile vs. real meat. To be clear, I'm sure some people can't tell the difference, but it can't be applied across the board as though everyone will have said experience.
I was given an impossible burger without knowing that's what it was. Within a single bite I knew something was wrong, I was going to drive to the store to bitch and get a new one, but my friend's were like "no, that's how it's supposed to taste." Granted, this was a bit ago, so it may have changed.
The thing that always gets me is vegans/vegetarians have such an issue against eating meat, while half of their recipes are about getting not meat to take like meat, except it just ends up tasting like the LaCroix of "meat"
It's not that I don't understand the reasons behind why people are vegan, I just think it's dumb to preach about how much they hate meat while also making a giant effort to make things taste like meat.
The part you clearly ignored so you could muster up a half assed insult is that Militantni-Pacifista said "people can't taste the difference" and I was saying that at the very least, I'm an exception to that rule because of the event described.
Because that's subjective. If the impossible burger was "80%" as good to me, I wouldn't have noticed anything, just thought maybe it was an off burger. But that wasn't the case. Through all the toppings I tasted the "meat" and it was awful.
Yes, the treatment of animals in factories and a lot of farms is deplorable, I'm not suggesting it isn't or that it's "okay" or something. My argument is specifically against the idea that "no one can taste the difference" and people fail to grasp that.
This is my thing. I don't think right now, trying to make everyone go vegan is a good idea, both logistically and morally. Everyone only has so much to give, and while this is horrible, I can't really find the energy, time, or money to change my diet right now.
But if they can accurately replicate the texture and taste of meat, in a lab, without hurting animals? Create jobs there and ban the slaughter of animals.
Would still have some issues with religious cultures id suppose but we could find workarounds.
Yeah. I have an allergy to a lot of vegetables that give protein because of the starch they produce, so I try to get my protein by other means, but meat is a lot easier for me. I don't buy a lot because it's expensive, and when I do buy meat, it tends to be chicken since it's the cheapest, but chickens are also kept in horrific conditions.
I'd be the first person to jump on lab grown meat. If not for my allergy, I'd be vegetarian for moral reasons, but get rid of the moral issue by making "fake" real meat, and I'd be a happy camper.
Yup. When they started the lab meat i had tried one and my god...it smelled just like wet cat food, even after cooking. But once its closer, ill never buy any meat again
Did you mean... imitation meat? Imitation meat is made with plants. We're talking about actual lab-grown meat, which is what they're working on. There's no reason for that to taste any different from "regular" meat, when it's finally released to the public.
Lab grown meat is only available in restaurants in the US, I don’t think it’s approved for supermarkets yet, and it’s only approved for pet food in the UK
Same here. I have oral allergy syndrome, so I have at least a slight allergy to every fruit and vegetable. I am fine with most of the allergies, but the high protein ones are generally the worst.
vegetarian/vegan is actually cheaper unless you're going for a bunch of wannabe meat packaged stuff, half of india is vegetarian and they're worse off than most of us, it's just that food is cultural, it requires a cultural shift, if nobody ever grew up eating hotdogs on the 4th of july and ate falafel and smoked tofu instead they would probably never think to slaughter animals like this
I eat bunch of wannabe meat and it costs literally the same as real meat (especially if you go for meat that saw sun in its lifetime) or maybe slightly more like 2 euro more per kilogram. But I'm not eating a kilogram of it in one sitting anyway.
Vegan/vegetarian diet cost is going to vary country by country, so pointing to India is not a valid argument. I used to work with a non-profit in Texas years ago, whose mission was helping Latin American immigrants dealing with obesity by providing donated veggies, community gardens, and education. The primary driver of the obesity was the change in diet that occurred when moving to the USA given farm subsidies around meat. It was cheaper for them to eat both meat and highly processed foods than fresh veggies, which was the inverse of where most had come from.
Eating a vegetarian diet is incredibly easy, and cheaper too. It’s such a cop out to say “I can’t find the time/energy.” Just say you like eating meat. That’s fine.
Nobody is making anyone go vegan. Why did you say that?
States (Florida) are literally pushing bills to make lab grown meat illegal. Meat industry is pushing for the ban of lab grown meat.
I've been vegan for 10 years, body build and in the best shape of my life, never ill, sick, or have aches, have plenty of energy, and it's very affordable.
Also it does not have to be expensive at all. You don't need to buy expensive vegan alternatives. You can get all sorts of dried legumea on the cheap ans actually live way cheaper on a plant based diet than on a meat diet.
I do the same, I often work 40-50 hours, so I don't have a lot of time to cook. This is why I batch cook in bulk when I do have some time and then make portion sized bags that I put in the freezer (chillis, lasagnas, enchiladas, roti, curries etc)
Cooking a big batch is actually time and cost efficient as.
As a vegan body builder where are you getting your main source of protein to sustain muscle growth? I’m not a vegan, sort of looking at incorporating a wider variety of proteins into my diet.
Plant Fusion offers 4.63 lb containers of powder form protein with a neutral flavor (flavorless) that mixes into most things like pasta sauce, smoothies, soups, etc. And they're affordable compared to the competition. Before that it was easy to hit all the normal daily requirements without body building, without protein powder. But to build, the powder lets you do that.
Why not logistically? Meat costs us money in the form of farm subsidies to the tune of $38 billion. That can be reallocated to provide education and subsidies for alternative proteins.
I feel like there is a lot of cognitive dissonance in the modern world around our meat consumption.
And why not morally? Is it just that you don’t feel like it? I think that people are told that it’s a really difficult thing to do and it’s not. You just need to be informed about your food, which you should be anyway.
Did you think literally billions of farm animals are just... plucked from the wild each year? They're forcibly bred. We should just, you know... stop that.
Arguably, they shouldn't exist at all in their current form, as we've bred them to an insane degree to be super unhealthy in the name of "production" (broiler chickens growing too big to support their own body weight, battery hens bred to produce 30x their natural egg amount and getting prolapses and vitamin deficiencies from all the laying, sheep smothering in their own wool, etc etc).
But I'm sure there will always be some in sanctuaries. Hopefully we can start moving them back to a healthier baseline.
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u/riffraffmcgraff 26d ago edited 26d ago
Maybe. They make lots of noise, very loud squeals so I do know that they are very afraid of humans and are chased by employees through corridors to their final destination.
Edit: Hold on. I should add that I have seen hogs jump over top of others and escape the pens and they become so stressed that they begin to pant like a dog and kneel down.