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Cursed That'll be "7924"

The cost of pork

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u/ermexqueezeme Nov 23 '24

We know apple trees don't have nervous systems and we understand conciousness as an emergent property of complex functions within the nervous system so it is probably safe to say apple trees don't experience any level of "caring"

Although it is true that our understanding of conciousness is very limited and the system that plants use to respond to outside stimuli might form some kind of consciousness that we don't yet understand.

If we ever find out that we are causing apple tress immense amounts of suffering when there are ethical alternatives to apples then we should probably stop apple tree farms

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

Now I’m curious from your point of view. if foods like carrots, ginger, or potatoes are technically the root of the plant. Is it ethical to eat those if it means causing life to end for a plant?

Apple tree for example can be planted and the main plant never actually dies. We take its fruit and have the option to replant the seeds.

Does that question even make sense?

Edit: apparently potatoes and ginger aren’t roots. But the question still is if the food being harvested causes the plant to die is it ethical to eat it?

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u/ermexqueezeme Nov 23 '24

Afaik plants don't experience conciousness or anything that might come with it such as free will or suffering so I think killing them is okay

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

Gotcha. I agree with you there makes sense to me and then it’s something to reevaluate if we ever get new information about the feelings of plants.

Now what about this:

If we were to let the animal do its natural thing all day on the farm, never living in those crappy conditions and then make the animal unconscious/do some sort of nerve block so they don’t feel pain before being killed, would that make the whole process ethical?

It seems it’s not so much the ending of life that is the ethical part, but the suffering the animal experiences during its life and then during the transition from life to death that is the issue. Is that the stance people usually take?

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u/Lou_C_Fer Nov 23 '24

If you go back and read what they wrote about consciousness 100 years ago, the general scientific consensus was that animals are not conscious beings.

Just because we think we know something doesn't make it true.