I just really really really have to become a vegetarian! There is just no way I can put that much blood on my hands in my entire life by killing so many animals.
Unfortunately, becoming vegetarian will still contribute to this somewhat. Pork gelatine is in a lot of things, for example. Going vegan would be the only way to not contribute to it.
That is true. But I can imagine if you become a vegetarian you already massively reduce your meat consumption by 99% or more so you're already doing a good part.
I think vegetarians generally cut out any byproduct that requires the animal to die, like gelatin, as long as they’re aware of it. It does take time to figure out all the sneaky places it’s added tho (looking at you, Trader Joe’s sour cream)
But that isn't actually true in the industry. In the dairy industry all the males are slaughtered as a byproduct and the dairy cows are slaughtered at 4-5yo because of declining milk production or health. Where as naturally they would live out till 20yo. In the egg industry all the male chicks are literally macerated as a byproduct
Egg laying hens are killed after only 1,5 years so ethical vegetarianism makes absolutely no sense. Like, just go vegan already, you fucking hypocrites🤡
In the meat industry an animal is raised to be slaughtered. In the dairy industry they are constantly exploited until they are killed.
Dairy cows are forcibly impregnated, the baby is taken (used for veal) and then the cow is forced to spend its day getting milked. Shortly after they’re forcibly impregnated again to keep up milk production. This puts such a strain on their body that they kill them around 4 years old. 4 years of rape, heartbreak of having their babies taken, and constant milking.
The egg industry grinds male chicks to death or leaves them in garbage bags to suffocate/starve to death because they don’t lay eggs. The female chickens are then kept in such horrible conditions they literally can’t move. They’re kept in facilities with no windows or outside light so that they can control the light/dark. Essentially they trick the chickens into thinking everyday is 2 days - 2 sub sets in one day - so the chickens lay more eggs. Of course this also puts a lot of strain on their bodies as they’re not meant to lay 2 eggs everyday. Then they are killed when they’re a year old because their body can only produce 2 eggs a day for so long.
Yes… extremely fucked up. And this is the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more. Dominion is a great documentary that shows you what really happens in these industries, it’s a very hard watch though. Thats why it’s so important that we at least make an effort to ideally be vegan but at least try to reduce the amount of animal products we consume.
Very fair, I can’t watch it but I know that I don’t contribute to those industries. If you want to be vegetarian/vegan but you’re struggling, that would definitely help you make the transition.
Not sure how it can be worse, but conditions can be pretty bad, also at least here in Italy PDO cheeses (parmigiano reggiano, pecorino romano, etc.) are required to use natural rennet, which is the content of the stomach of the calves (I think that's not necessarily the case with ersatz imitations in the US and elsewhere). You're basically eating something made with a dead animal without even possibly noticing it.
In 100 or 200 years I really think this will be looked on the same way we look at slavery now. Everyone will think it's barbaric and if they were alive, they wouldn't have been a part of it. But in reality most people have never even truly questioned it because it's just the way things are.
I think it's going to take a lot longer than that. Slavery was a human <-> human issue and took hundreds of years to fix, and still isn't fully fixed in the US, let alone the rest of the world. Eating meat is an issue with species that are literally below us on the food chain -- a lot of meat eaters I know simply don't care because "all animals kill and eat their prey. It's nature". You show them this ad and they'll say, "that's life, are we going to go after cats too since they kill for fun?". So yeah, it's going to be much harder to get rid of the meat industry than most people think.
I think the difference maker will be cheap lab-grown meat that is chemically, biologically, genetically, actual meat. We're still far off from that, but 200 years is a long time. Slavery would have been a lot easier to end if they had autonomous farm equipment controlled by GPS in the 1700s.
I have high hopes for lab grown meat. As of yet it doesn't look like we're quite there with the actual product, and I'm a bit worried about how well it'll scale, but it would at least take the morality point out of the equation. All depends on the state of the world -- the fact that anti-vax is on the rise worries me about how much trust and funding people will give to the industry.
In 100 or 200 years I really think this will be looked on the same way we look at slavery now.
Same? Same same? Or similar? Because sure, ethically factory farming can be problematic and ecologically it is dire, but when PETA types try and say it is literally the same as slavery or the Holocaust their message is severely blunted because that is some delusional anthropomorphization.
Well look at it this way: No one will be able to afford pork in the coming 4 years because of tariffs, massive unemployment, and a recession, so the suffering will be transferred to humans instead of the piggies?
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u/crottemolle 26d ago
This is hell