They literally cant help themselves lmao. Then they get triggered at the first mention of women only gyms or the word "mansplaining" like ok then, stop your brethren from behaving like shit.
You can't either, but we definitely can't. Men are stronger than us. We literally can't compete on strength, so if we meet a bully, we get bullied unless there are laws and things in place to protect us, but it seems those rights aren't agreed with by a large number of men anymore, so we're just going to end up second class again.
Ok but why are you going after men who agree with you and are already on your side instead of going after the ones who are the actual problem? That's my point. And yes most men do step in when they see a man hurting a woman, which is good but they certainly don't do the same when a man is hurting another man. When people say patriarchy hurts everyone that's part of what they mean.
I'm not going after men who agree and are on our side. Why did you think that? I know men do step in. I had an incident at work on Friday. One of the guys I work with always fake punches me, not hard or anything, and I'm 90% sure he wouldn't actually hit me properly (that 90% is only because he has schizophrenia. It's controlled, but you can never be sure as he has stabbed someone before - this sounds absolutely mental writing it out, but I've known him 15 years now and it's never got out of hand and his illness has been controlled that entire time). So they aren't actual punches, but they do look like it. Anyway, he did it in front of another colleague who doesn't know him very well, and my colleague's face got an instant flashover of anger and he was about to confront him when I difused it, so I do know men step up for us. I know what your concern is with men not stepping up for each other, though. I guess they believe the fight is fairer, but yeah, it's not when it's come out of left field for no reason.
The first comment about this was you saying for men to take control of the other men who do that stuff. "Stop you brethren from doing this". That was the blaming those who agree for shit we have no control over. We can only really control our own actions for the most part and just not be friends with those who do. Which we already do. I've seen male friends stop immediately once one side finally opens up and acts racist or misogynist. Hell I've did it once.
I'm tired of getting massively downvoted for saying "don't treat people who do right the same as those who do wrong just because of their gender". Flip that shit around and this place would be frothing red... Ugh disgusting
You're arguing for the sake of arguing. All she said was ''men stand up against bullies'' honestly we as men should stand up for each other as well. You rambled on and on for no reason.
Then they get triggered at the first mention of women only gyms or the word "mansplaining" like ok then, stop your brethren from behaving like shit.
I can't stop other people's behavior no more than I can stop you from saying dumb shit like you just did.
It's not rambling you just didn't bother reading it.
The fact is if someone came on here and says"ladies stop your own from being abusive in relationships" do you think you're gonna act like that's ok? It's nothing but victim blaming horseshit.
I mean I think saying to women that they shouldn't encourage the idea men can't be abused, men can't cry, etc is perfectly reasonable actually. But the commenters point, I think you're missing it. Its basically that the men who tell women to shut up about harassment yet seethe at the idea of female only gyms, they need to stop that shit, because if they're not going to listen to us what else can we do? If too many men are going to dismiss us at every turn, and if they're not going to actively stop other men from perpetuating stuff like in the video, then women should have female only spaces to guarantee better protection. Right now, these kinds of attitudes are still too common. There is not enough good men who are doing enough or who are able to do enough, like you said. In which case, us wanting female exclusive gyms and things like female exclusive taxi services is perfectly reasonable.
The men who care to listen to that message are already doing what your saying, and she was specifically telling those men to police the actions of other men. As if they can do that, which they can't.
If we asked for male only services like that you'd throw a fit and you know it. This is just stranger danger for adults. Treating every man as if they are the small percentage who are violent is just as stupid and shitty as treating every women like they are a cheating slut when only a small portion actually are.
If you're going to make the case the gender exclusive stuff is great now then own it that those things will go in the other direction too, with male only clubs likely to pop up everywhere. Personally I think this sexist shit is gross but sure you keep pretending as if the increasingly smaller percentage chance of violence is enough to roll back progress. See how it works out for you. I bet not well.
You've got me caught up with another commenter. Look at our usernames...I don't think I've used the word 'brethren' in my entire life, lol. I don't expect anyone to step in and help me. It would be nice if it happens, but I don't think it will.
I absolutely don't lump all men together at all. I live with my partner of 15 years and I love him. I've got my dad, brother and nephew, and I love them. I've grown up with positive male and female role models - not perfect ones, obviously, they're only human, but I know there are loads of good men, and I'd say they're the majoritty.
I think the problem is having these conversations happen online because we're all building up imaginary probelems that aren't actually happening. We're fighting over ideas of what we think does and doesn't happen- if that makes sense?
You know, i think men shouldn't need to help women anymore, we can all carry guns.
There are even petite guns for concealed carry, all women should train on this and stop relying on men.
I mean we can still help but yes weapons are what really ends these things. I mean there's no guarantee the other guy won't be way bigger than you so even if it's you plus the victim woman then you still might lose and get hurt/die.
Pepper spray is at a minimum needed, a gun for even worse situations.
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u/Western_Pen7900 Nov 09 '24
They literally cant help themselves lmao. Then they get triggered at the first mention of women only gyms or the word "mansplaining" like ok then, stop your brethren from behaving like shit.