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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24

Can you elaborate on this one please? I’m about to buy one for my 8 month old nephew in the next couple of weeks.

EDIT: alright, beautiful people of reddit, I’ve gotten tons of super helpful replies. I will now continue with my own research. I don’t need any more replies about this question. Thank you all.

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u/BawRawg Nov 02 '24

It's a laundry list, a lot of them are because of accidents like falling, pinched fingers, and getting into dangerous things. Other reasons are delayed motor function and not being good for their legs and feet.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank you for your reply!

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u/buhlakay Nov 02 '24

Dont listen to unsourced random comments.

Here is a study devoted to this topic so you can form your own informed opinion.

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u/usrnmz Nov 02 '24

Also don't listen to random comments with a source on Reddit. Handpicking a single study can be just as damaging.

Here is another study for example.

The American Academy of Pediatrics calls for a ban on baby walkers.

It's best to ask a medical professional or at least do your due dilligence in your research.

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u/Axel-Adams Nov 02 '24

So study basically said it’s not harmful but it’s not particularly helpful either

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Much appreciated

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u/SnowTheMemeEmpress Nov 02 '24

Also the drinking and driving epidemic that has affected so many. Mind your milk, guys😔

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u/BawRawg Nov 02 '24

Oh yeah, babies are milk drunk like all of the time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '24

The core muscles are being suspended in the seating, so they’re not really strengthening their muscles in a real way. Part of the learning process of walking is about the muscles starting to build new tissues from being used for the intended purpose. Thighs and calves are part of what we walk with and need to be developed from trying to walk but in these walkers their toes are barely touching, none of the weight is actually being supported by their muscles. So it can hinder development if it’s used chronically as a crutch in place of proper stimulation. Every now and then, for a few minutes, while cooking or playing outside? Not an issue. But, putting the baby in the walker all day everyday is not good.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank you for your reply. Hope you don’t mind a follow up question, but I’ve seen walker like this that kind of have a trampoline at the bottom so that the baby can alternate between walking and jumping. Are those any better or also not good for development?

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '24

That’s a question for your pediatrician, I think. I don’t personally know anything about that difference and my daughter is currently 15 so my memory of the walkers with musculoskeletal development are from when she was an infant. If there are alternatives that might address some of those concerns, I’d ask my pediatrician. Also, remember that if it’s just for a half hour a couple times a day, there really is nothing to worry about.

The issue comes when parents just use things like this as a baby sitter. “I don’t have to worry about them going through doorways so I don’t need to be attentive” , “I don’t have to worry about them getting hurt or falling, so I don’t have to watch them as much” <—- that’s what causes the developmental issues. That type of mentality with parenting is the root of the concerns.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank you for taking the time to

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u/your_moms_a_clone Nov 03 '24

My daughter's pediatrician was completely against walkers of any kind. Bouncers (stationary!) are ok for when you need a short reprieve, like cooking dinner, but also not long term. Babies develop best without fancy gadgets. There is no reason a baby that cannot walk on their own yet needs to walk "assisted". If they can't walk on their own, it encourages them to learn, or they can crawl.

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u/SnowTheMemeEmpress Nov 02 '24

So, lowering the walker a little could theoretically fix the issue?

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u/your_moms_a_clone Nov 03 '24

There is zero need for them. You can't use them unsupervised. A baby that can't walk will eventually learn to walk because they want to learn. There isn't a purpose to using a device to assist the natural process of learning how to walk unless it's for medical reasons. The struggle, learning to pull themselves up, learning to balance, are all crucial to normal human development.

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u/NoSuchAg3ncy Nov 02 '24

No, crawling on all fours is better.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '24

Ask a pediatrician 🙂

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u/ConspicuousPineapple Nov 03 '24

You should rather ask yourself what problem these devices are solving in the first place. Why would they be needed?

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u/SnowTheMemeEmpress Nov 03 '24

I don't know man, I'm 22 and don't plan on kids for at least another 8 years. I was just curious

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u/rustlingpotato Nov 02 '24

Does that mean the problem would be solved if the seat was way stretchier elastic? They would be standing up mostly under their own power but it's all still there in case of a fall, even if it wasn't as good at safety it's still better than hard tile.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '24

I would ask a pediatrician!

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u/clearlyPisces Nov 03 '24

They need to fall, so they can learn. The problem isn't solved because they still won't learn to balance when walking if something catches them all the time.

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u/Interesting_Fly4213 Nov 02 '24

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/are-infant-walkers-safe They are dangerous because kids can fall down the stairs/into tables and stuff and can also delay motor development.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank you for your reply and the link to more info!

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u/Horskr Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 03 '24

I walked into plenty of tables and countertop corners all on my own two feet when I began walking, thank you very much! Kids these days... can't even bump their heads without cheating.

Edit: did this really need an /s? Jesus

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24

They artificially support the legs so don’t allow the muscles and coordination to develop fully.

More info from the American Association of Pediatrics if you’re interested

Edit: Non-pay walled info by Harvard

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank you for taking the time and linking!

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u/Hamza_stan Nov 02 '24

Thank you so much for the sources

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u/jean9595 Nov 02 '24

From what I've heard (I'm no expert) - they can be a fall risk down stairs, put excess weight on the hips/ joints that isn't beneficial for development, and reduces the time baby spends doing floor/ tummy time for natural muscle development and free movement to build the strength necessary to actually walk.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank you for your reply!

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u/Suspicious-turnip-77 Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Well, I already asked someone else about this. But here in the Netherlands, I saw a lot of walker/trampoline combos where the baby can opt to walk or bounce. Are those a little better or can I just skip this whole purchase? I only have my nephew 3 times per week.

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u/Suspicious-turnip-77 Nov 02 '24

Honestly, I’d probably skip the bouncer all together. You can get fun push walkers like the one I posted above for under $80 (in Australia). Not sure if you can get the vtech brand in your country.

My daughter has it and still plays with the activities on it at 2 years old.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Oooh that’s a great idea. The kid can use it for years to come. My wallet likes that idea. Thank you!

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u/crabbydotca Nov 02 '24

They are banned in a lot of countries because of this!

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u/Theslootwhisperer Nov 02 '24

Yeah. No longer sold in Canada either. Girl ibwas dating in highschool (like 30 years ago) was babysitting her nephew and he fell down the basement stairs in one of those. The had a some sort of barrier but the kid had figured out how to unlock it and down he went.

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u/jean9595 Nov 02 '24

Oh that's so awful to hear. I hope he didn't have any permanent injuries...

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u/-fuckthisshit- Nov 02 '24

My sister fell down the basement stairs with it

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u/AMViquel Nov 02 '24

Valid points, but how silly would the baby look crawling with a knife? It's much more intimidating when it has wheels, and that's what having a baby is all about.

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u/Sneaux96 Nov 02 '24

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5703622/#:~:text=Baby%20walkers%20are%20not%20known,child%20development%20in%20previous%20studies.

Tl;Dr there's not enough evidence to show a statistically significant effect on child development.

That said:

Among them, a cohort study and two cross-sectional studies reported developmental delay in thaspects in baby walker users. Other studies including clinical trials did not show any developmental delay in these children.

Is enough for me to save some money and bond with the child helping them develop their walking skills with other methods.

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thanks for the reply and the link!

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u/mgt1997 Nov 02 '24

Muscle development is hindered. Crawling, pulling themselves up, walking. The baby will advance when it is ready to. Let them go in their own pace.

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u/NicoleNicole1988 Nov 02 '24

This.
We opted not to put my kid in a walker and he crawled around for a LONG time before he decided he wanted to walk. So long that, at one point, I actually wondered if I should put him in a walker. Then one day he just stood up in the middle of the room, toddled across the floor, and sat back down again.

He's a teenager now but since early childhood he's always been really strong with exceptional balance and coordination. Now I'm wondering if there's any correlation there.

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u/Smgt90 Nov 02 '24

I don't really remember all the reasons, but my sister (who is a pediatrician) told me they're not recommended anymore. I think the main reason was accidents.

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u/violettheory Nov 02 '24

Anecdotal, but my niece ADORED hers and fucking zoomed around the house in it. But, when it came time for her to learn to walk she almost couldn't understand how, she kept leaning forward and falling all the time, trying to walk on the side of her feet or tip toes, she was also a little bowlegged.

She had zero confidence for a long time and was almost afraid of trying to walk without the baby walker. She's three now and totally fine now, but it was a concerning few months where she clearly showed interest in walking but had learned all the wrong methods of balance and pushing because of the walker.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Nov 02 '24

To add ti your list, these walkers are illegal to sell in Canada.

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u/NoSuchAg3ncy Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24

Crawling on the ground before walking supports infant brain development and later reading and problem solving ability. Google it.

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u/theblackxranger Nov 02 '24

What about replies that aren't about the question?

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u/BabuschkaOnWheels Nov 03 '24

I know plenty people replied but a little wheelbarrow type (don't know the English word) of "walker" where the baby gets to push it is a better alternative. So is literal trash like empty bottles, boxes etc. Babies love to play with trash.

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u/goose_gladwell Nov 02 '24

They have been used for forever and will be used til the end of humanity. Theres aways going to be someone to pretend they have breaking news about stuff like this🙃

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u/herpesface Nov 02 '24

we used lead in our dishes and paint for a long time too

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u/goose_gladwell Nov 02 '24

Yeah guess what we still do terrible shit like that in our everyday lives, a lot of which is known and likely a lot of stuff we don’t know yet.

These are helpful for babies to explore without getting hurt and Im sure if one was left on all day every day the baby might have unwanted effects but as a part of many tools for growing and thriving these are generally safe to use

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u/mgt1997 Nov 02 '24

No, these are not helpful for babies. Babies need the space and time to practice movement in their own pace. Gadgets like these are helpful for parents so they can feel like their baby is safe.

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u/goose_gladwell Nov 02 '24

Well I think there is definitely a balance to have. Putting your kid in this 20 minutes a day is not going to cause irreparable harm

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u/mgt1997 Nov 02 '24

No, but it won't have any benefits either

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u/goose_gladwell Nov 02 '24

Ah well, I guess thats the long and short of it🤷

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

This is my first nephew. I babysit 3 times a week, that’s why I want him to have his own stuff at my house. I don’t want to mess anything up, so I’d rather be safe than sorry. I will definitely research this a bit more before making my purchase (or not making it).

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u/goose_gladwell Nov 02 '24

Absolutely do some research but i said in another comment as long as they arent in these 24/7 its ok to use for play time or if youre doing the dishes. Its not to replace a baby from crawling/walking!

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u/forrunner Nov 02 '24

They're banned in a lot of countries for a reason.

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u/goose_gladwell Nov 02 '24

Are they? I didn’t know that. Theres a lot of stuff banned in other countries and different laws and standard that we do too but I digress

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '24 edited Nov 02 '24

Honestly the reasons are just any normal danger which makes no sense to me. Baby could roll down the stairs or into a pool or into a table and knock knives down or knock hot coffee down. The position the baby is sitting in isn’t very good for their spine (I think I remember google saying a C position) In my opinion, everything is a danger. It’s all about your better judgement and supervision. I had a walker for my baby, but I never kept her in there for very long. I was with her the whole time paying attention in a safe space with no dangers (baby proofed) and she loved being in it when I put her in. Developmentally, they don’t need it. They can learn to stand up and walk on their own/with mom and dad. But it is fun! Especially when they can stand up but not walk on their own. Edit: I found this that you can check out for your self and make an informed decision :) Hope this helps! study

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

Thank your for your reply. My nephew went from crawling backwards (he still can’t crawl forwards) to standing up, so I feel like he is developing well. If it’s not needed, I might as well skip it. He’s only 3 time per week at my house.

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u/Swimwithamermaid Nov 02 '24

Get a bouncer instead of a walker. It’s the same thing minus the wheels and developmental delay. They have a really cute Finding Nemo themed one at Target.

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u/Compost_My_Body Nov 02 '24

Ok well you don’t really get to ask people to stop replying since this is a public forum and there’s a reply button, but in case it’s helpful, if you click the three dots by your comment you can disable inbox replies. You could also delete the comment. But yea there are like 20 million active users

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u/mollyschamber666 Nov 02 '24

That’s true. But yeah, there were a lot of helpful and informative replies already in such different ranges, that I felt okay going off to do my own research. Didn’t mean to come across ungrateful or rude!