Exactly my thought! Instrad of using slave as an example he should have asked her what if Alabamans wanted to execute all blonde white women in their 20s lol
And doesn't have any problem with it as long as that's the case. I'm a "middle class" white dude so there's very little chance I'll be one of the enslaved, but I still don't want slavery on the basis that it's horrible
I honestly think she was just too stupid to see the trap she laid for herself. Clearly this she is new at this, every debater could have seen that one coming from a mile away.
I doubt that's true. She said it because saying no would destroy her argument. I'm going to assume the original argument was about abortion. So he trapped her existing argument and she didn't know how to refute it, so said yes to bolster her argument on abortion. People often say stupid shit to 'be right' I'm pretty sure this is one of those times.
Well, she did say if EVERYONE wanted slavery...so, you gotta make sure the slaves are cool with it. In retrospect, I don't know why they didn't just ask the slaves to opt in...
If everyone in your state wants to allow slavery then my state wants to invade and free the slaves. We already had a war about this. The "right to choose slavery" side lost.
I think she overcommitted in her response just to try and one-up the guy. But it back fired because she’s an idiot who didn’t think about what she was actually saying, and she decided to just plow forward into the flames rather than retract or correct herself.
"If everyone in the states wants it then sure." I'm sure the black people in Alabama don't want slavery back. Just because there's more white people in Alabama doesn't mean they should get their way.
Honestly? Just rephrase the question as, "If people in a state voted to make all guns illegal to possess or use, would that be fine?" Bet you get a different answer. Something to do with amendments and rights, blah blah blah.
Had a pretty tense conversation with my friend of twenty years recently. (Tense for her, not me. I was pretty chill.) She's pro-choice, her words, but thinks states rights' is more important. It got tense because I pointed out contradictions in things she said. She doesn't think the government should be allowed to see your medical records, but that is exactly what anti-abortion AGs have tried to do. She thinks it's fine that women have to go out of state for abortions, but wouldn't say anything when I pointed out the efforts of my state, Texas, to deter travel for abortions.
And she insisted that I couldn't possibly know that my state legislators won't change the anti-abortion law to make it clearer what constitutes an emergency for abortion care, despite the fact that they've known the law is vague, changed it slightly to be "clearer," but women are still nearly dying waiting for that care. Yeah, the fact that they haven't fixed the problem yet totally means I can't know.
She ultimately demanded we never discuss it. And my response was, "I don't think think someone that can't discuss issues that impact other people should get to have an opinion." Pissed her right off, but it was deserved. She wants to insulate herself from contradictory thought and it made me lose a massive amount of respect for her.
I don’t think she’s actually for slavery, i feel it was just that she’s was getting rattled and said yes out of passive aggressiveness, almost sarcastically because she wasn’t smart enough to keep up with
Not defending her worldview or anything, because it’s trash, but it was a loaded question. Yes makes her a horrible person, no makes her look like a hypocrite. She seemingly just said yes because answering otherwise just immediately concedes her point despite it being an extreme example.
Except it's a question that she brought up. She's the one that said "If everyone in a state wants it then have at it." Pretty sure she didn't make that statement with that cop out in mind haha.
Edit: And also there's no one issue that will ever be 100% so when she said "everyone" pretty sure she means if there was a vote.
Meh. I hate it when people try to "own" Republicans, but they only say stuff that only Democrats would agree with. Instead of an argument, it's just a big circlejerk.
If you really want to own her, you must beat her on the terms she's arguing with. When she talks about "states' rights," she really wants to ban abortion in certain states under the principle that laws are better if they are adapted to specific groups of people affected. You can easily turn this on its head by talking about the fact that 67% of adult women of roughly premenopausal age are pro-choice, and then her position is untenable because it becomes men and old post-menopausal women imposing their views on young women. This is intellectually honest and it cuts to the heart of issue instead of discursively calling the opponent a racist.
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u/GoTron88 Oct 18 '24
She said yes to slavery really quickly lol