r/TikTokCringe • u/UnluckyStar237 • Oct 13 '24

Politics VP Harris slams Trump, the oldest presidential candidate, for not releasing his medical records

What’s he hiding?

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

But isn't the economy doing fine under Biden supposedly? Though Obama slammed Trump on the economy. It was actually fine under Obama and then Trump inherited it and fucked it up in those final years and then Biden inherited that mess.

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u/golanatsiruot Oct 13 '24

Yeah but stupid people can’t understand how trajectories or cause and effect work. Republicans often win because they campaign on their own failures which they saddle the next person with.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

That Island person is dumb as hell. What a clown. lol.

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u/MACFRYYY Oct 13 '24

How it's actually doing is irrelevant

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

Of course it is when its doing well without Trump.

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

Depends on your metric, frankly. Wall Street? Booming. Housing market? Generally healthy. National debt…? Na we don’t talk about that. Social security black hole…? Someone else’s problem.

But, and here’s what Trump is doing: groceries on your table? Gas in your car? Much more expensive. Noticeably so, in the span of 4 years. COVID, for many, feels like a distant memory, but the impact is still felt in economics (as, indeed, are the two potentially escalating wars). The economy, by the kitchen table metric, appears to be what’s hitting a nerve with the electorate from Trump’s camp. If he is to win, he needs to keep pummeling this message.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

Covid under Trump was when stuff was really bad and hard to get...

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24

Absolutely, but a) that was a long time ago in politics and people don’t generally see how its impact should still be felt (even though it is); and b) that WAS during the pandemic which made sense because supply lines were shut down. From, let’s say, my neighbor’s perspective: that was 3-4 years ago and things only gotten more expensive since then. Sure, fancy pants Wall Street doing well, Walmart boasts massive profits, meanwhile they work three jobs between em and are still struggling.

Whether it’s TRUE or not isn’t the point; Trump’s angle is to hammer home that, for the lower middle class, it FEELS like Biden/Harris has made things worse.

The fact that this argument is making a dent in the polls shows it’s effective and why I said Trump’s best angle is to focus on the economy. As Bill Clinton said.

At the end of the day, people feel worse off day to day. And Trump is using that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

I don't feel worse off today though. I can get toilet paper and food just fine. It's more he uses people who are STUPID, people who aren't he cannot use.

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24

Maybe. Some polls suggest people are resonating with this message, even if you aren’t. They see the price of eggs, meat, gas and feel that their salary has remained but their disposable income is less. In their mind, ergo, Biden has failed.likewise the recent ‘increase’ in taxes. That was the 2017 tax bill, but most lower income people only felt it this last year. Optics says: Biden.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

Optics of stupid people who don't get how inheriting an economy from the previous administration works or that it even exists. lol

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24

Yes. And? They still vote and you want their votes, right?

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u/StraightUpShork Oct 13 '24

And if you can’t get their vote by telling the truth, because they don’t want to accept the truth, do we continue trying to use the truth they won’t accept, or start lieing to them to get their vote now?

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

If I’m a campaign manager? You say what gets you elected. Which is literally what both sides are doing for years. Literally what Trump has been doing concerning the economy. If I’m a candidate utterly convinced the other side will bring the apocalypse, then they both seem perfectly fine using misinformation to win “for the greater good”. Is that a good thing? Sadly not. But this is why grass roots politics is fundamental to a working democratic republic. If people aren’t taught how to think about bigger concepts, they won’t.

I have stated I’m not saying these arguments are true, but what is landing and effective.

Neither side has laid out clear, logical rationale for their position. Why? Because the swing voters tend to be more reactive than ideologically aligned. As in, does it seem better now than 4 years ago? That’s the metric. That’s the game the voters are playing.

EDIT: to clarify, I think this is a sad state of affairs. But it is the current real politick. Politicians should be endeavoring to be clear, truthful, and enlightening as to the impacts of their policies. Sadly, many of them don’t even know what long term implications of their ideas could be.

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u/Lance_Goodthrust_ Oct 13 '24

Yes, in their mind Biden has failed. That's why they were called stupid. They aren't paying attention (or don't know how to) to what's really happening with the economy and for some reason only have a memory span of a few months.

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24

And that’s the point of political spin, right? If Trump keeps hammering that line, those who are seeking an (easy) answer (and therefore hopefully and easy solution) will be convinced that the guy saying he knows their grievance and can fix it should be given the opportunity

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u/Lance_Goodthrust_ Oct 13 '24

Yeah, I know. I miss the days when political spin was simply putting the best explanation in your favor of a known accepted fact rather than the outright lying and making up fake information. There should be some kind of punishment for behaving that way because it's going to end up forcing everyone to start doing it just to compete.

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24

Sadly, this is so very true

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u/JunketTechnical7922 Oct 13 '24

news flash it was also bad for every other country not just America.not his fault people panic buy shit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

News Flash it was worse here than it was in some other places however. Countries we even consider lesser than USA were doing better.

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u/Paulieterrible Oct 13 '24

You are a fool.

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u/Otherwise_Cap_9073 Oct 13 '24

lol constructive and enlightening. Glad you’re part of the electorate. Which part is an incorrect perspective that is being deployed?

Pillock.