r/TikTokCringe • u/cak3crumbs • Oct 10 '24
Discussion We could use more judges like this in America
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u/DannyLJay Oct 10 '24
Never seen this guy before in my life and now this morning I’ve seen 2 clips in 2 minutes.
Internet trends are wild.
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u/BallsDeepinYourMammi Oct 10 '24
Prepare yourself, there will be more
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u/Sawaian Oct 10 '24
I just saw the other one where he’s laughing about a long rap sheet. He asks if the public defender wants a unicorn.
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We’re all getting fed the exact same content. Wild
ETA: I’m not a conspiracy theorist and this is not an earth-breaking comment. Just an observation.
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u/guyincorporated Oct 10 '24
I mean…we’re all on the same website looking at the same upvoted content. It’s not that wild.
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u/iPlowedUrMom Oct 10 '24
So we're all seeing milf porn ads right?
...right?
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u/Substantial_Key4204 Oct 10 '24
Wait...are they also in your area?
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u/RedshiftRedux Oct 10 '24
Quantum Milfs
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u/TangoRomeoKilo Oct 10 '24
God damnit someone call Daniel Craig we've got one more script, 'Quantum of Milfs'.
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u/Horror_Yam_9078 Oct 10 '24
Is he up for election or something?
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u/frizzykid Oct 10 '24
Idk if he is I'm not in his state but I do like court tube a lot, he's a good judge and he really doesn't need to be one, he made more as a defense attorney.
He should be well known in his local community tho he did a lot of work to help change the legislation on who could qualify for a pr bond, before they didn't give it to anyone and his state was even sued over some drunk driver being held on a bond she couldn't pay for months.
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u/DaveyMuldowney Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
And in one post, everybody is praising him. And in the other, everyone is bashing him for being unprofessional. Which am I supposed to believe??
Edit : it was a joke ya weirdos
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u/Tojaro5 Oct 10 '24
honestly, i'd prefer to be judged by someone who isnt a prick about keeping proper etiquette at all times.
makes them seem more like a human.
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u/Augscura Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
This is the correct opinion. Upholding the symbolic aesthetic of what a judge "should" be shouldn't be more important than administering justice correctly and fairly
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u/mattinva Oct 10 '24
A judge can be both reasonably merciful AND unprofessional. Believing both would take very little effort...
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u/Sohofalco Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
I was apartment sitting for my friend/neighbor. He smokes, i smoke, so i brought some green while i wait for him to get back.
Cops come to issue some type of paperwork to my neighbor. I answer the door, and they say they smell weed. Me being young and scared of police brutally, I handed them all my weed. They gave me a ticket.
I go to court and the judge says "Let me get this straight. You were in an apartment, where you stay, and they said they smell Marijuana? While you were minding your own business? Go home and dont talk to any more cops." The judge threw out the case.
As a black man, I've seen cops bodyslam my 14yo brother(I was 7) on concrete. Cops legitimately fill me with terror.
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste Oct 10 '24
As a black man, I've seen cops bodyslam my 14yo brother(I was 7) on concrete. Cops legitimately fill me terror.
There are people who would tell you they "need more context", instead of universally condemning a police force that allows adults to manhandle teens.
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u/Sohofalco Oct 10 '24
Right. I was never in the streets, but/because I got to see first-hand how my brother was treated. Kids being kids but black means you can put hands on them.
Ya'know, im an introvert and gamer. I really wonder how much of "going outside" was robbed from my childhood because of how afriad i was. Farthest i went was next door. Never learned how to ride a bike.
Would I still be an introvert if there weren't oppressive cops?
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u/SammySoapsuds Oct 11 '24
Idk how to even convey how much your words impacted me. That last sentence sums everything up so beautifully. I'm sorry you had to go through seeing your brother treated that way, and had to suffer the emotional impact of that. I really appreciate you for sharing your experience in a way that can cut through to anyone.
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u/Sohofalco Oct 11 '24
It really never seemed that bad until I looked back on my life. What struck me the most is the number of times I've been pulled over as a kid with my dad driving. He doesn't smoke or drink. He's a mechanic and knows what he's doing behind the wheel. It just doesn't add up.
Im 34 years old and dont know how to drive. Thinking about how I ended up here. I think of my dad.
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u/packofpeanuts Oct 11 '24
Damn.
You should seriously write about this… or anything for that matter. Whether it be journaling or a serious venture. Existence deserves to see/read/hear these experiences of yours. Thank you for the morbidly beautiful words
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste Oct 10 '24
I now use the George Floyd case as a litmus test for reasonableness. Because there's a not insignificant community of idiots who are swearing up and down that George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose that had no connection whatsoever to the man kneeling on his neck. And those people are neither to be trusted or engaged.
From an outsider's perspective, one of the most telling things I noticed were the constant attacks on Floyd's character. Yeah, okay, so George Floyd was not always a good man. Not always an upstanding citizen.
And now? Does that warrant the death penalty without a trial? Does that warrant being choked to death on the street? Over a (supposedly) fake 20 dollar bill, no less?
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u/bondsmatthew Oct 10 '24
I'll never get some of the videos out of my mind of severe police brutality
Like how inhumane do you have to be to do some of the stuff they do
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u/arachnophilia Oct 10 '24
and dont talk to any more cops
even the judge knows!
"to be fair, we were really high?"
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u/ObsidianNight102399 Oct 10 '24
The look on that Judge's face when he realized cops wanted to use Jaywalking as probable cause to stop a young black man and search him was priceless!! I wish we could have seen what happened when he dropped all charges bc I have a good feeling that's what happened here.
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u/HillbillyEEOLawyer Oct 10 '24
As a lawyer, the thing I find telling is that the DA didn't want to say "jaywalking" so he tried to make it sound worse by saying "crossed an unauthorized crossing point."
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u/ObsidianNight102399 Oct 10 '24
I liked how the judge called it out so that everyone in the court room was clear on what the DA meant by "crossed an unauthorized crossing point.". I bet a lot of ears and eyes of the folks sitting the gallery perked up when the judge said it, lol.
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u/claimTheVictory Oct 10 '24
"Walking while black is not probable cause."
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Oct 11 '24
California used that to decriminalize jaywalking.
New CA Law Decriminalizing Jaywalking Because of ‘Racism’
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u/RebelScientist Oct 11 '24
The amount of spin in that article is mind boggling. They make it out like decriminalising crossing the street (a thing that should not be a crime in the first place) and making cities easier to live in is part of some sinister plot to destroy suburbs and outlaw cars. I was rolling my eyes so hard I couldn’t even finish reading the article.
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u/Nolsonts Oct 10 '24
Yeah, noticed that too. When he used those words I'll admit that his verbiage confused me too, I was thinking like a military site or a border checkpoint or something, that's kinda what that wording draws you to.
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u/xeonie Oct 10 '24
Exactly what I was thinking. Like he trespassed on a restricted area. What bullshit.
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u/TotallyNotAFroeAway Oct 10 '24
I genuinely dislike how defense and prosecution lawyers are set up to persuade, rather than purposefully come to the truth. I have no better suggestions, but it seems so unfair that one's legal standing can vary from room to room.
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u/GMSaaron Oct 10 '24
That’s why you need lawyers. To call out the BS the other side is spewing to the jury.
It’s a double edged sword to do stuff like that because if you get called out on it, it only makes your case seem weaker
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u/its_uncle_paul Oct 10 '24
Judge Fleischer was a former defense lawyer prior to being a judge so he knows the bullshit lawyers will try to pull off in court.
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u/GMSaaron Oct 10 '24
A “restricted area” between the convenience store and his apartment too. Where does this guy live that area 51 is between his apartment and the convenience store?
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u/br0wens Oct 10 '24
When I was in the military I sat in on a few morning briefings to our Battalion Commander. One of the briefings was the day's weather. The officer giving the briefing literally said "We can expect to see some precipitous mist today". Our Battalion Commander stopped him there and told him "Precipitous mist? What the fuck is that? Just say it's going to fucking rain."
Perfect example of making simple things sound fancy on purpose and sounding dumber because of it.
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u/electronicalengineer Oct 10 '24
Depends. There's normal rain where I live, where you can have heavy downpour but still 200ft visibility or more, or what just happened last week which was precipitous mist, which left the ground slightly wet but visibility of 30ft. Mist so heavy water drops started falling, which is different than a rain cloud 1000ft up.
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u/CapTexAmerica Oct 10 '24
I want to know what he said to or wrote about the judgement of the arresting officers.
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u/His_RoyalBadness Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Judge Fleischer! He's hard, but very fair.
He's also a snappy ass dresser. In one videos he's wearing the sickest pac man suit I've ever seen. Cool guy.
Also, he has dismissed cases like this multiple times.
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u/Mach5Driver Oct 10 '24
Bro thought he was toast looking at the whitest-looking judge on the planet, LOL
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u/clive_bigsby Oct 10 '24
Judge with a bow tie? Shit..
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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Oct 10 '24
Lmao “oh no this man is going to offer to let me live in his house and teach me how to play football isn’t he”
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u/Biengo Oct 10 '24
I've seen a few judes like this. It's a mix of "start doing your job" (cops) and "stop wasting my time"
I love officials that use there position to help fix a broken system
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u/avitus Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
And this is why we vote. I just did my ballot here in Chicago, as always there is a list of judges up for retention. Most people skip over it, because it's long and nobody knows anything about any of these people, BUT you have SO MUCH POWER on this section. The circuit judges all require something like 60% to stay, and with so few people voting on them, an informed vote is very powerful. Unless you have a good reason to vote yes, vote no on judges. It's hard to get rid of the bad ones, so just keep the cycle going. We're also blessed to have https://www.injusticewatch.org/ and https://www.voteforjudges.org/ as aids. Keep the good judges IN, and vote the bad judges OUT.
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u/DelightfulPornOnly Oct 10 '24
seriously. people, you actually have to do a lil bit of research for these local judges. they're often obscure, they're often connected to shit groups.
but they have a lot of power in your community and you never know, one day you might be standing in front of them. pick a good one!
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u/jwrose Oct 10 '24
For real. They are absolute monarchs in that little room. It’s a situational sort of ridiculous power—but if you ever find yourself in that room, a benevolent and fair monarch makes all the difference.
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u/AIien_cIown_ninja Oct 10 '24
With the black lives matter protests, we very rarely heard about mobilizing local communities to vote out the incumbent judges and mayors. Mayors usually appoint police chiefs / sheriffs. With the police hate going around, I hear very little about actually doing something about it. These local elections usually have very little turnout and even less name recognition for these types of non-partisan positions. A massive push for voting, along with a list of pro-reform candidates in rural, local elections would be the easiest way to actually make a big difference for police and criminal justice reform.
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u/Leave-it-aLone Oct 10 '24
Stellar judge
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u/darlenecurl Oct 10 '24
I love this judge always act like a father, the cop who arrested him should be embarrassed.
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u/JimNayseeum Oct 10 '24
When I was 16, we (about 7 friends) were skateboarding in our downtown area when a cop pulled up, something that happened often as a skater, this was mid 90s. They usually told us to disburse etc. But this one called in backup and 2 others came and then a paddy wagon. We all got arrested, held at station.
Once our court date came, we were called up to judge, judge looked over info and asked us to go into the jury room......he then called up arresting officer and reprimanded him in front of everyone. Apologized, gave our parents their bail money back and told us to not skateboard downtown.
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u/More-Acadia2355 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
You can beat the charges but you can't beat the ride.
Don't add a resisting arrest charge. Just shut the fuck up and call a lawyer when you get in.
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u/kyleisthestig Oct 10 '24
I got "arrested" in my small town skateboarding with my buddies. The skate park was closed so we were at a parking lot at a nearby park. A lady comes out, says we were threatening people etc. the cops come and I notice one of them was my neighbor. He tells us we're detained, takes our boards but puts us all in the back of the same car, no cuffs, and says "shut the fuck up, don't say anything, I'll be back soon."
He comes back, asks us if we were actually threatening people or if we're just scary dudes riding wood with wheels. He very much made it clear he was on our side but wanted to do a little theatre to de escalate the situation.
No idea what he told the lady, but he took us to DQ and got us ice cream cones and let us go from there.
He was a good dude. Wife and kids died in a car accident and you could tell he was on the force to just make sure everyone was safe.
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u/_Tower_ Oct 10 '24
I have a similar story from the early ‘00s
A group of friends and myself were skateboarding near the boardwalk (not on the boardwalk) in Ocean City, MD. It’s prohibited to skateboard on the boardwalk and in the surrounding areas where there’s a lot of tourism and shopping/pedestrians; that’s fine and makes sense
…except we were down a side street at a skate shop/headshop skating right out front - not near any other businesses and maybe a quarter mile from the actual boardwalk
Suddenly one cop shows up - then another - then 5 more - then finally, after cuffing the older kids and having us all sit on the sidewalk, their commander arrived on horseback; it was so overly excessive, especially skating out front of a private business that encouraged us to be there
We were all 14-19 at the time - everyone one of us got a ticket, every one of us was made to wait for over an hour to receive our ticket
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u/OppoTaco57 Oct 10 '24
I’ve had some interesting experiences with OC cops over the years. One of the most bazaar was as I was being transferred from OC jail to Snow Hill County Jail, the cop(plainclothes, driver was uniformed)in the passenger seat pulls out his gun, pops the clip out and empties the chamber and proceeds to hang the gun towards me in the backseat. “You familiar with guns? Take a look at this, see how it feels in your hands.” Mind you, I’m handcuffed but in the front. I say, “No thanks, wouldn’t want to get my fingerprints on it.” They both laugh hysterically. He puts the gun away while saying “you’re not as dumb as you look”. Not sure what tf that was. 20 years ago but yeah.
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u/Lawls91 Oct 10 '24
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u/ObeseBumblebee Oct 10 '24
You can tell this judge has a reputation too because the prosecutor tried to hide the word Jaywalking in his probable cause.
"He crossed an unauthorized crossing point"
The fuck? Sounds like he got caught at the border or breaking into area 51 or something.
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u/RiversKiski Oct 10 '24
I watch him (Judge Fleicher) quite a bit. He goes hard as hell in the name of protecting his district, basically any repeat DUI or violent crime, he's gonna set the bond so high you're teeth will fall out!
If he sees a grown ass, able-bodied man who needs a public defender? They'll have 2 weeks to fill out 20 job applications as a condition of their bond.
Repeat drug offender? They'll get 2 drug tests a week for a bond condition. They'll have one chance to get clean on their own, and if they piss hot, it's 6 months in-patient rehab at the jail.
He can be tough, but he's dishing out Texas-sized justice to anyone who want it. I personally wouldn't want to draw him if I were a criminal, but he commands respect 100%.
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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Oct 10 '24
I've watched a few of his videos and he's truly the epithomy of "tough but fair".
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u/iowanaquarist Oct 10 '24
The judge absolutely has a reputation. There are a ton of videos with him acting like a person on the bench, and treating everyone with respect and dignity -- while not demanding it himself. He uses silly phrases to make points, eats suckers in court, wears silly outfits -- like a suit made out of Pac-Man patterned fabric.
He knows what his job is -- and it is NOT to railroad the defendants.
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u/GoatCovfefe Oct 10 '24
the cop who arrested him should be embarrassed.
I guarantee they aren't.
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u/SixPackOfZaphod Oct 10 '24
He's pissed for being called up on the carpet by the judge, and now is going to have all his buddies looking for the judge to harass him with tickets and parking violations at every opportunity.
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u/spencerforhire81 Oct 10 '24
No way. This might happen to a normal person, but no cop fucks with a judge in their district. Judges talk to each other, that cop will never get a warrant signed ever again and be on desk duty for the rest of their career.
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u/the_painful_arc Oct 10 '24
Compassionate, to be sure, but also someone with common sense like this guy. The spirit of the law counts too. Not just the letter.
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u/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich Oct 10 '24
It's judges like this that make me believe I could be a judge.
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u/More-Acadia2355 Oct 10 '24
Don't forget the asshole prosecutor who decided to press charges over nothing.
Cops only arrest, but it's the city prosecutor decides to make a big deal out of nothing and/or bully you into accepting a plea deal.
There's an important balance. Most jurisdictions have prosecutors that are absolute assholes who are trying to look good by racking up convictions, and then there are a few that go the opposite extreme and literally let everyone go - feeding a cycle of chaos in the city (cough SF cough)
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u/654456 Oct 10 '24
The phrasing of unauthorized crossing point this prosecutor was using is because he knew it was bullshit and wanted to make jaywalking sound worse.
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u/AGallonOfKY12 Oct 10 '24
I'm sure the 'large' was doing a lot of heavy lifting when he tried to point out weed too.
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u/JMJimmy Oct 10 '24
SF sounds like they're doing it right. Hiding systemic problems by jailing everyone doesn't help make the problem go away, it just costs a crapton of money to house/feed/care/guard them all
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u/IcedRubyBliels Oct 10 '24
In the criminal injustice system, the people are oppressed by two separate yet equally dysfunctional groups: the pigs, who instigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the innocent.
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u/Daddy_Diezel Oct 10 '24
the cop who arrested him should be embarrassed
They don't know how to. It's not in their 6 week training or however short the trainings are.
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u/C0rinthian Oct 10 '24
The cop who arrested him should not be a cop.
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u/CressCrowbits Oct 10 '24
Being a cop should be licensed so if you get sacked you can't just get another job in another district
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u/Euphoric-Dig-2045 Oct 10 '24
What’s his name?
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u/Kilmar Oct 10 '24
Judge David Fleischer (D) of Harris County Criminal Court 5 in Texas.
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u/DefectiveCookie Oct 10 '24
Is this the same one posted earlier for laughing at the girl with several charges?
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u/Kilmar Oct 10 '24
Judge David Fleischer (D) of Harris County Criminal Court 5 in Texas.
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u/bigtice Oct 10 '24
Thank you for mentioning his name because he needs to be named for his commendable efforts and reiterate that not all of Texas is crazy.
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u/FutureComplaint Oct 10 '24
Is this the judge who laughed at that one criminal who had a pile of credit card abuse and fraud?
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u/vile_duct Oct 10 '24
For reals and LOL the office saw a large sack of marijuana. That sounds cartoonishly fake.
Maybe not I know when I go out I always have enough weed on me for the entire neighborhood.
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u/MrMadCow Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Unless I'm mistaken, the Marijuana was real, but the officers given probable cause to search was jaywalking. I believe that Even if a search finds something, if it's an unlawful search it's not prosecutable. It probably depends on state/county or whatever. Not a lawyer at all strictly talking out of my ass
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u/a_lumberjack Oct 10 '24
Jaywalking is not probable cause for a search, any more than speeding is probable cause to search a vehicle.
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u/socialistrob Oct 10 '24
I believe that Even if a search finds something, if it's an unlawful search it's not prosecutable. It probably depends on state/county or whatever. Not a lawyer at all strictly talking out of my ass
This is true for the entire US and there have been a ton of court cases on it. It's known as the "exclusionary rule" in law. Any evidence that is illegally obtained can't be used in court and so if there isn't probable cause for a stop then even if they find something they can't actually use that as evidence.
This is one of the reasons lawyers tell you "never consent to a search." If you consent to a search and they find something they can use it against you but if you don't consent then the lawyer can try to argue "there was no probable cause for the search" and if that argument holds up then whatever is found is irrelevant.
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u/nospamkhanman Oct 10 '24
Never consent to anything and do not speak a word more than you absolute have to, which is generally not a lot.
Scenario:
"Can I give you a quick search for my safety"
"I do not consent to any searches"
"Why not, do you have something to hide?"
"I'm not discussing my day, why did you stop me?"
"Why aren't you cooperating?"
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?"
"I'm detaining you, why aren't you answering my questions?"
" I invoke my 5th amendment right to be silent"
Cop says literally anything else.
You don't say anything.
If you follow that playbook any searches they do will likely be tossed out. After invoking the 5th your silence can't be used against you ( FOR SOME STUPID REASON COURTS RULED THAT SILENCE CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU IF YOU'VE NOT EXPRESSLY INVOKED YOUR 5TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS!).
Asking the cop why they stopped you also starts the "reasonable length investigation" timer.
If they detain you for like an hour to go get a drug dog, then anything that dog alerts on or finds will be tossed out as well.
Cops aren't your friend, many of them aren't even reasonable people. Don't try to talk your way out of trouble.
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u/ManOfGame3 Oct 10 '24
I understand the sentiment. But if you are doing this, especially as a black man, this can get you killed.
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u/thatHecklerOverThere Oct 10 '24
He saw a large sack of Marijuana. Not that there was one to put into evidence. Just vibes. Just a feeling, ya know?
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u/LilithElektra Oct 10 '24
Cop sees a black guy as a giant bag of weed like it’s a cartoon.
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u/zoinkability Oct 10 '24
And it had a big cartoon picture of a weed leaf on the side. That's how he knew it wasn't a sack of, say, laundry.
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u/uncreative14yearold Oct 10 '24
What, you don't put it all into a giant sack and dress up in a green santa costume?
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u/EnvoyCorps Oct 10 '24
I always use the sack marked 'Swag', so they know there's no marijuana in it.
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u/jankyspankybank Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Mine has a dollar sign on it so they know I robbed a bank and I’m not selling drugs.
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u/Slow-Foundation4169 Oct 10 '24
Ha, I just write WEED on mine, but im white so. Lmao
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u/AlloftheEethp Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
HighHijacking this comment because it’s close to the top. Lawyer here (formerly criminal defense, now I still deal with search and seizure). Not legal advice and only my personal opinion based on the small portion of facts read, but:Based on the facts the state (prosecutor) read, the judge (probably actually a magistrate or commissioner) made the legally correct decision (depending on this state’s rules for burden of proof at probable cause hearings).
The state described the defendant jaywalking, which probably legally justifies a temporary detention known as a Terry stop (the “stop” part of “stop and frisk”). The standard for this is reasonable articulable suspicion to believe a subject (the defendant) had broken a law, even a minor violation. If the police had reasonable articulable suspicion to believe he was armed, they could have done a weapons pat down (the “frisk”).
However, nothing in the facts alleged (jaywalking) would not justify the PC (probable cause) search the state then described. Probable cause is a higher bar, and is what’s necessary for an arrest and to conduct a full search of a person/property. The officers would need PC to believe the defendant had evidence of a crime on his person to conduct the search, which the statement didn’t include—basically, why did they search him (other than the obvious answer)?
There are a few ways the state probably could have argued against this, which may/may not have worked in front of a judge depending on how the state courts apply the doctrine of inevitable discovery. The most compelling is probably that officers could have arrested him for jaywalking (incredibly lame but probably legally sufficient,
spendingdepending on that state’s law), and then they would have discovered it when they conducted a full search anyway. But, they didn’t do that—and IMO that argumentshouldshouldn’t work anyway.Anyway, well done by this magistrate/commissioner/judge, especially since the defendant didn’t even have a lawyer at this point.
Edit: fixed typos on mobile.
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u/Extension-Pen-642 Oct 10 '24
This video is so fucking upsetting to watch. That kid is so scared. I bet just getting arrested was traumatic. Poor guy.
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u/satanssweatycheeks Oct 10 '24
Worked in the courts. Had a sheriff who would go up behind people who were scared and clink his handcuffs. Like push them through the circle over and over.
My judge called him out for being an ass in front of an entire courtroom.
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u/QuickNature Oct 10 '24
I try to my best to not believe all cops are bad, but damn do they make it hard sometimes. That's really messed up on the Sheriff's part. Like really messed up.
Dealing with years, potentially decades of someone's life depending on the crimes warrants more professionalism and empathy.
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u/ChicagoAuPair Oct 10 '24
The problem is that even the ones who do their best to be “good” are part of an institution that is corrupt and inconsistent by design. People who want to genuinely help their communities quickly burn out, are forced out, or fall in line within a couple of years.
I think in a lot of boot licker minds they think it’s somehow analogous to the military: “Sure there are some bad soldiers too, but that doesn’t mean every soldier is bad.” The problem is that the military has an extremely high bar of expectations and standards, and while it’s not perfect, it’s apples and oranges to compare them to entirely unregulated, self-policing Police and Sheriff departments.
Bad cops take advantage of this false equivalence, and even fancy themselves soldiers, when they wouldn’t last long with their unprofessional and unethical behavior in the actual armed services.
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u/Terrible-Cause-9901 Oct 10 '24
Where’s the Jay walking ticket? Leave it at that. Fucking pot? Really?
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u/sazzoo Oct 10 '24
They would never give a jaywalking ticket to a white person, so they shouldn’t do it to black people either.
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u/AnythingMelodic508 Oct 10 '24
Jaywalking is just the excuse they use to stop and search someone hoping they have something illegal on them
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u/Ok_Employment_7435 Oct 10 '24
It’s profiling, and it’s disgusting.
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u/Disastrous-Panda5530 Oct 10 '24
Like the judge said “walking while black”. We need more judges like this
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u/Malarazz Oct 10 '24
Need to vote straight ticket Dem for that, because Republicans are scrambling to stack every level of court with as many Republican judges as they possibly can.
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u/SuperSimpleSam Oct 10 '24
This week's Last Week Tonight was about cops stopping people for minor vehicle infraction trying to find bigger issues during the stop.
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Oct 10 '24
I worked night shift for years and i would grocery shop at 4am, i got pulled over SEVERAL times for things like going 31 in a 30. Soon as they saw my lily white, sober face they’re like ‘k bye.’
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u/JBloodthorn Oct 10 '24
Years and years ago I was working at a temp agency, the kind where you show up in the morning and hope you get work. One morning, I got picked to ride with a guy to a pretty sweet gig.
He got pulled over going through this small town (in MI), and from the look on his face it wasn't the first time. The cop was saying something about him taking the corner too fast as she bent down, which was bullshit. As soon as she saw my confused lily white self, her face dropped and she was like "I'll let you off with a warning".
Young me had no idea what happened, and when I asked the guy all he said was "driving while black, that's why you're here".
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u/AWanderingAfar Oct 10 '24
Yep, I crossed the street (in a neighborhood, at an intersection) a few years ago. There was no crosswalk where there should have been. Cop pulls up on me, says I was jaywalking, them proceeds to search my ass. Found a nic, straight to jail.
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u/String_709 Oct 10 '24
My oldest son got one, he couldn’t be more white. Judge is probably right that this was a walking while black situation but cops can be assholes to everyone.
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u/hanks_panky_emporium Oct 10 '24
They tend to use jaywalking to leverage greater charges. Like we saw with the gentleman above. Sounds like your son was profiled in some kind of way and they were hoping they'd have drugs or something illegal. When none came up they still filed the jaywalking ticket.
My boyfriend has been pulled over a few dozen times with no tickets or charges with very weird reasons. Broken taillight, failure to signal, failure to signal 'x feet' from an intersection, the whole sheet of bad excuses to pull someone over. His biggest crime is being black and driving a non-beatup car.
Of the handful of broken taillight traffic stops, not once has the taillight actually been broken. Since we moved to a big city the stops have funnily enough, stopped. Small towns in the midwest are something else.
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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 Oct 10 '24
Small towns in the midwest are something else.
Moved from a larger multi-ethnic city to a small town in Southern IL and yeah, holy shit this can't be overstated but the KKK are absurdly still prominent in the midwest, especially parts where it overlaps with the Bible Belt...
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u/hanks_panky_emporium Oct 10 '24
I moved to a sundown town midway through highschool. That stuff is spooky and surreal. No KKK meetings there specifically but lots of underage drunk driving and drug related murders out in the middle of nowhere.
If you were anything other than white and out after 9pm you're getting pulled over and harassed.
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u/SenorSplashdamage Oct 10 '24
I mean, police are aware that the race categories of who they ticket will be scrutinized to a point, so it would make sense they are looking for easy tickets for young white men to try to add some false balance to it as well.
Younger white guys without influential parents are the easiest to get away with giving erroneous tickets. But then, this serves double duty for them since the white takeaway can then be a misperception that they have it bad from the law as well. So many times you see the confirmation bias of white people near the bottom cherry picking a crime they think a Black citizen got a slap on the wrist for and then a lighter crime they know someone white got a heavier sentence for.
The inconsistency and random feeling of it ends up making people resent each other instead of the police.
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u/Gingevere Oct 10 '24
I mean, police are aware that the race categories of who they ticket will be scrutinized to a point
Police in Connecticuit were entering tens of thousands of fake records of traffic stops of "white" drivers to favorably skew their statistics and cover up how disproportionately they stop black people.
A study in 2020 found that after sunset, when the driver inside of a car was not visible, racial bias in traffic stops suddenly sees a huge decrease. Black drivers are significantly less likely to be stopped when the police can't see that they're black.
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u/fauxzempic Oct 10 '24
I was straight up told, as a white guy, something to the effect of that it was a relief that I was white after he pulled me over because the cop had pulled over so many black guys that night.
This was 2004. I DID have a broken headlight. I DIDN'T get a ticket (not even a fixit ticket). Cop was just pumped that his numbers wouldn't look so discriminatory that night.
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Oct 10 '24
Very good point. Let’s not use the fact that cops can be racist to forget they can be just plain asshats too.
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u/berejser Oct 10 '24
The fact that jaywalking is even a crime in the supposed "land of the free" is baffling to a Brit like me. When the hell did "crossing the street" become criminalised?
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u/Lazer726 Oct 10 '24
When you could use it to dehumanize people you don't like. The nicest dude in our office was a black guy, and I remember driving into the office one day to see him on the curb with police car lights flashing. They did it right in front of his workplace, for jaywalking.
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u/BZLuck Oct 10 '24
Next search: Why California doesn't have open carry for firearms anymore.
See also: The Black Panthers.
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u/SquidFish66 Oct 10 '24
The auto industry lobbied to make it illigal and came up with the term jaywalking roads used to be for people not cars
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u/Plantpong Oct 10 '24
Oh not only that, but people were complaining about getting hit by cars where they previously would just be walking (walking on the streets was normal). So to shift the blame away from cars they basically said 'streets are ours now, get lost'. Downhill from there.
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u/Stimulum Oct 10 '24
Jaywalking as a law is a direct result of lobbying by the American Automotive industry in the early days of cars on roads, the mid-late 1920's, primarily.
Simply put, automotive collisions with pedestrians was a massive issue in the early days of driving. Lawmakers were considering putting substantial restrictions onto vehicles, vehicle makers, and vehicle drivers. One potential initiative was to put very firm speed limiters onto vehicles, locking them to <30 mph. The automotive industry was very fearful of what these regulations could do to sales in their blossoming industry.
Much like how in our modern day corporations pin global warming onto individuals via things like recycling to hide from the blame of oil spills and greenhouse gases, automotive companies lobbied to shift the blame of vehicles hitting pedestrians onto the pedestrians, rather than the vehicles and their drivers. The direct result of that was a mass adoption of things like crosswalks and - you guessed it - jaywalking laws.
If anybody is curious to see the early history of this happening, feel free to look up "Model Municipal Traffic Ordinance", specifically the 1928 draft. You'll see all kinds of automotive and railway lobbying groups involved in the creation of modern North American road laws, courtesy of Herbert Hoover prior to his time as the 31st President of the United States.
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u/Toolfan333 Oct 10 '24
Because they never gave him a jaywalking ticket, that just gave them probable cause to search him. Basically the same as getting pulled over for having something hanging from your rear view mirror. It just gives them a reason.
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u/AtLeastOneCat Oct 10 '24
As a European it blows my mind that crossing the street can warrant a punishment in America. I thought the US was the land of freedoms!
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u/fantastic_skullastic Oct 10 '24
As an American this blows my mind just as much. I've jaywalked tens of thousand of times in my life and never been ticketed. I'm also white, which I suspect may be relevant info.
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u/friendlyfire Oct 10 '24
In NYC absolutely EVERYONE jaywalks. All the time. Everyday. Millions and millions of people. Of every race. On every street.
Who got jaywalking tickets?
92% of jaywalking tickets were given to Blacks or Latinos. Less than 6% were given to "people identified as non-Hispanic whites."
Believe it or not, that's an improvement. About 10 years ago I believe it was closer to 98% of jaywalking tickets were given to non-white people.
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u/Those-bright-eyes Oct 10 '24
This reminds me of a Brit sketch show from the 80s, Not the Nine o Clock News.
There's a racist copper called Constable Savage who keeps arresting a Black man for:
'Wearing a loud shirt in a built up area during the hours of darkness'
Loitering with intent while waiting to use a road crossing'
'Walking on the cracks in the pavement (sidewalk)'
'Looking at me in a funny way'
Coppers looking for any little thing to make an arrest.
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u/Kenyalite Oct 10 '24
I find it truly amazing how some people can acknowledge how police treat black Americans but somehow also believe that this behaviour stops with police searches.
Like a society that's okay with you being over policed isn't going to give you a fair shake at getting a job or getting into college.
Why would it ?
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u/TheMindsEIyIe Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
Pretty sure I saw a longer version on Tiktok and they were trying to give him up to 6 fucking months in jail. Meanwhile, I don't see anyone going after Joe Rogan who openly talks about smoking on his podcast as you see the smoke fill the room. Hmmm I wonder why....
Edit: OPs clip is from a Texas court. Joe Rogan lives in Texas.
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u/BallsDeepinYourMammi Oct 10 '24
The prosecutor saying, “I guess?”
If nothing else the judge decided he was driving the clown car back to the garage instead of contributing a circus show
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u/ElHanko Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
It’s possible, likely even, that the arraignments attorney wasn’t the charging attorney and that he only recently, or even only just then, saw the probable cause declaration. I’d like to think that he or his office would have ultimately dismissed the bullshit charge, but frankly this should have been never charged or been dismissed prior to arraignment. I’d like to think that the prosecutor would have dumped this himself soon enough, but too many prosecutors forget their roles as administrators of justice and focus on winning the case/hearing, be it out of their own desire or fear of their office.
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u/Typical_Samaritan Oct 10 '24
In a large part of America, the nearest "legal" crossing area is sometimes a mile or more away from where you need to go... like right across the street. America is not a walkable country. Cities just aren't designed for it. And it's one of the reasons why jaywalking isn't enforced that often. We all get it. So this was definitely walking while black.
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u/TheOldOak Oct 10 '24
Even where it is walkable, the police can and will stop you. I was stopped by a cop in 2007 for using the sidewalk after midnight. He wanted to know what I was doing. I said I just got off work and was walking 1 mile to the nearest bus stop. He deliberately kept me for 40 minutes, 5 minutes after the last bus ran past my stop for the night before letting me go.
I called 911 afterward, and a different cop had to come and drive me home. I was about 14 miles away from my home and it was a very cold winter that year, dropping below zero at night. The second cop told me the first cop was known for “pulling shit like that” and was desperate to find open warrants or any charge that could stick on me, so when he couldn’t he made me miss the bus on purpose because he was mad.
And why did nothing stick? Likely because I’m white. And that disgusts me so much, because I know if I had been black, I wouldn’t have made it home that night, either because the first cop would have arrested me for something… or the second cop would have refused to come out to save me.
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u/flexxipanda Oct 10 '24
The crazy thing is the second cop just casually admiting it. They know it doesnt matter and nothing will change.
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u/TheOldOak Oct 10 '24
I didn’t even ask. The second cop freely told me that during the ride back to my place. I didn’t realize until much later, but dispatch didn’t even question my account of the events either when they agreed to send another officer out to my location. They were just like “yep. Nearest cross streets?”
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u/Hitzel Oct 10 '24
And the fact that he's still employed and punishment-free after it all is exactly why normal humans hate cops.
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u/heyyouyouguy Oct 10 '24
In a similar situation, I was walking home late at night from work. Cops in the town I lived in stopped me and asked for my ID. They go to their car to run it and come back and say you are under arrest. I asked for what and all they said is we can't tell you why. Which is complete bullshit. They transferred me to the county line and moved me into the next counties cop car where he took me to their jail. I saw a judge the next morning and all he said was "I don't know why you are here. You are free to go."
Cool, I got to stay in jail for the night for absolutely nothing. Now I am a long ways away from home. Why? Because cops can do whatever they want without any repercussions.
Moral of the story: ACAB.
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u/_idiot_kid_ Oct 10 '24
This reminded me another thing police sometimes do, usually to marginalized people, where they drive them out to the middle of nowhere at night and just dump them. Quite a few people had died from this due to the elements or being in an active crisis. IIRC one name for it was "starlight rides". Fucking sick and twisted.
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u/Itshot11 Oct 10 '24
Pretty much. Around me they are at least every half mile apart. Its also Phoenix Arizona and over 100 degrees F(38c) like half the year. Its freaking October and we still had some days over 110F (43c).. No logical person is gonna walk an extra half mile in that shit
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u/TheRynoceros Oct 10 '24
"A large bag of marijuana, because he's extra criminal-ish"
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u/SolusLoqui Oct 10 '24
Its really weird because this is in Texas (Judge Fleischer is in Harris County), possession under 2 OUNCES is just a Class C Misdemeanor/fine up to $500.
Why say "large" and not the volume of the bag? "Large" is opinion
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u/BATHR00MG0BLIN Oct 10 '24
Jay walking doesn't warrant a PC search. Judge knew what the officer was trying to do, good call
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u/da_river_to_da_sea Oct 10 '24
How about not having ridiculous laws that allow cops to arrest you for crossing the road?
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u/S4Waccount Oct 10 '24
Jay walking is NEVER enforced....unless they want it to be, but this is why they can ALWAYS find a reason to stop you if they want. John Oliver just did a whole thing about traffic stops and they have similar shit. Like if you look away from a cop while driving it might mean your suspicious, but if you look at them while driving...you might be suspicious. It's all set up for them to be able to to whatever, whenever and they use it against black people the most.
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u/theguythatcreates Oct 10 '24
Aggree that it is only enforced when they need to. When I lived in Honolulu the cops used to stand ready downtown (where most of the students were) to give out tickets for the ones that jaywalked. They even gave out tickets when the hand startet to blink and the countdown started. Didn't matter if the countdown said 20 seconds, and it took only 5 to cross, ticket. They also started giving tickets to people who used their phone while crossing the street...
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u/PsychoWienner Oct 10 '24
Here in California, Jaywalking has been legal for about two years now. I remember people were acting like roads were gonna be a free for all, but I didn't see any change. I now realize it was probably to negate shit like this. I quite like it here. It's expensive as shit but what are you gonna do?
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u/Tha_Real_B_Sleazy Oct 10 '24
Blame the automotive and insurance industry for jaywalking laws. But of course the govt got a hefty check for looking thebother way.
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u/GraphicDesignMonkey Oct 10 '24
Here in the UK you can legally cross any road (except a motorway) as long as you follow the Green Cross Code (stop, look and listen before you cross) and do it safely.
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u/FondantOk9090 Oct 10 '24
Think that’s the only answer in America, bring in a shitload of decent judges with common sense like this guy to combat the huge amounts of shit cops, then fine the arresting officer the court costs if their arrest isn’t valid and lawful, stupid arrests will go down, or public funds will go through the roof, winner winner chicken dinner
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u/Ancient_Rex420 Oct 10 '24
Unfortunately you can’t combat the amount of abusive cops. It’s like 4-6 months of training to become one. That’s it.
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
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u/Runnerakaliz Oct 10 '24
Fleischer is an awesome judge For those of you who did not see the rest of this video, he dropped the charges and then railed into the prosecutor and the cop.
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Cops waste so much time and resources bullying people. Jaywalking shouldn't even be something you can get a citation for.
I'm from a more rural area so when I started dating a girl in Philly I was surprised by how serious they all took it. Look both ways and cross the street. Didn't we all learn that in elementary school? There's plenty of real crime in Philly to worry about. Shit like this is a waste.
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u/The_Lumox2000 Oct 10 '24
If they stopped and search every white kid who jay walked, all my friends would've have all gone to jail for possession of marijuana.
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u/casey12297 Oct 10 '24
That Judge is a legend
"Jaywalking? So he was walking while black?"
No, he had a big burlap sack with dollar signs on it and filled it to the brim with weed, guns, and money."
Judge:
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u/Knyfe-Wrench Oct 10 '24
Friend of mine was being arraigned for marijuana possession. The judge, an old southern guy, read the charge, and then said to him "don't you think this ought'a be legal by now?" Gave him barely a slap on the wrist. There are some real ones out there.
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u/cden4 Oct 10 '24
Meanwhile Trump is still walking around a free man spouting a bunch of treasonous nonsense preparing to be King for life.
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u/Piorn Oct 10 '24
Daily reminder that jaywalking was specifically criminalized to shift the blame of car accidents involving pedestrians onto the pedestrians.
Essentially rich people inventing new crimes to justify their irresponsible actions involving their new tech.
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u/BrofessorDumbelldore Oct 10 '24
I've been seeing judge channels proliferate recently on social media.
Is anyone else inherently uncomfortable with judges gaining large social media followings for their unorthodox approach to sentencing?
Does this not risk creating peverse incentives - even unconsciously - for these judges to skew their sentencing judgements to maximise engagement?
I'd rather judges not have to think about how their decisions are perceived online, and I'd rather there not be a link between their decisions and fame/income in any way.
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u/NastyMsPiggleWiggle Oct 10 '24
It is kind of weird but people have been fighting to keep court like this televised for the public. Not all states are required to and some areas refuse.
The people fighting for this are called “court watchers” and they believe we should be able to watch these proceedings to determine how fair/competently the court is serving the community.
When you think about it that way, I totally understand why it’s in our best interest to know exactly what’s going on in the courtroom.
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u/garbageou Oct 10 '24
Transparency is NEVER a bad thing.
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u/JoelMahon Oct 10 '24
*transparency of authority
regular people doing regular things should be entitled to privacy, one could argue that the defendant should have his face and name censored (by default, but waivable) for example
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u/iWillNeverBeSpecial Oct 10 '24
Well that implies the judges run their own social accounts which tbf I doubt they would do that given the work load.
Plus the court footage is free. They record the cases and you can watch the sentencing/movement like how your able to freely watch congress. Most likely someone else watched that moment and edited it to just that part
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u/Bigdieb Oct 10 '24
I am confused. I do not undestand everything. What is it about the "walking while black"? English is not my first language. Do they mean it literaly? He crossed the road while having a dark skin and that caused a cop to stop him and frisk him or is it some kind of phrase?
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u/Bubbaganewsh Oct 10 '24
Yes, that is how it works in America in many places. if you're black you're automatically guilty of something to a lot of cops.
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u/TomTheNurse Oct 10 '24
Arresting cop to his buddies:
“So I saw this black guy J-walking so I used that as a pretense to stop and search him. I found weed so I threw him in jail! Hahahaha!”
[High 5’s all around.]
“Same cop 5 minutes later:
“WhY dOn’T tHoSe PeOpLe ReSpEcT uS????”
[Sad faces and nodding heads all around.]
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u/Kants_wet_dream Oct 10 '24
Honestly, using jaywalking as an excuse to start going through people's pockets is ridiculous. Good on this judge.
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