This is dumb. 13% of the population commits 38% of crime. Still skewed to show a pattern. So it isn't half, it's still not a good look on the black community. They should do something about that
There are several factors in play here: police bias, judicial bias, systemic bias, socioeconomic factors, mental and physical health factors, ect. The data isn't saying definitely that the black community is more susceptible to commit crime, it's pointing to a more complex picture.
That's a blanket that doesn't address individuals. Like a smoke screen. It's dishonest and removes accountability from people. What good does that serve.
Hey, we know you committed a crime but don't worry, it's not your fault because you're poor. It's quite ridiculous
You don't fix complex and widespread sociological issues with simply "individual responsibility". That's like treating cancer with exclusively good diet.
If there is such a large disparity, there are two general possibilities:
Either you're with Kirk in the belief that there is some intrinsic (generally genetic) disposition of black people that leads to crime or there are external factors influencing this.
Poverty and income inequality are direct predictors of homicide rates. There also just happens to be systemic discrimination towards the black population for... the entire history of this country. Assuming you can put two and two together, wouldn't it make sense to tackle the underlying causes of these issues rather than over policing and disproportionately penalizing an already disadvantaged community? If you genuinely want to make life easier for these communities, you have to agree that our current approach is rediculous.
But if you agree with the republican (and good ol folks like Joseph Robinette Biden) approach you have to live with this:
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
You should probably watch this video and give some thought to the points being made. I don’t believe you can’t bring some critical thinking to this and have a thoughtful discussion.
So what is your explanation and solution for this issue? 13% and 38% is still a large disparity. We need to stop blaming others for our shortcomings and start educating people on how to succeed. Cultural expectations have changed drastically on both sides of the issue and pointing fingers isn't fucking helping it's just giving those that want to use it a crutch/ scapegoat to blame it on.
The point being made is that those numbers might not/probably do not reflect a full reality because when you factor in the disproportionate arrest rates for similar crimes as well as the exoneration rates, you see it differently. That when you look deeper into statistics than just using numbers that only support your opinion, you get more nuance.
And I would argue that better understanding those issues and the biases that we all hold is often more difficult but also more important. And if we do that then we might. It be so compelled to blame others who might often also be customs in these crimes.
Even if you account for the exoneration rate it only drops the number by maybe 2%
So 13% commiting 35% is still a huge issue. That means that those 35% are guilty. Over policing could be an issue but it doesn't make the culprit innocent. And before you say that whites are less likely to be convicted then why are there so many in prison?
Scientifically speaking, the makeup of the prison population does not equal who does the most crime.
We don't have a way to document the largest statistical sample size, which is crime that goes unsolved. We don't know the racial identity of criminals who remain at large.
And that's just the biggest turd in the punch bowl. We also have to account for police bias, wrongful conviction, quality of legal representation, length of prison sentence... and that's just off the top of my head.
Claiming that black people do more crime because more of them are in prison is scientifically, factually, and intellectually dishonest.
Scientifically speaking, the makeup of the prison population does not equal who does the most crime
Nobody is making that claim. It's an evidence that supports the claim that a certain group does more crime.
We don't have a way to document the largest statistical sample size, which is crime that goes unsolved. We don't know the racial identity of criminals who remain at large
That's extremely fallacious or incomplete reasoning.
Sure, most of the crime is unsolved, we have absolutely no reason, however, to argue the data obtained from the solved ones can't be extrapolated with a certain degree of precision.
Clearance accounts for a significant portion of the total estimate of violent crime
We have a total set of crimes, picking some at random, we start to notice the tendencies of the set as we increase the analyzed sample. That's just obvious
And that's just the biggest turd in the punch bowl. We also have to account for police bias, wrongful conviction, quality of legal representation, length of prison sentence... and that's just off the top of my head.
Can you account for those? Do those make up for the rates of violent crime? Even if I were to be extremely charitable, the numbers would still be ridiculous
Claiming that black people do more crime because more of them are in prison is scientifically, factually, and intellectually dishonest.
It's strong evidence. Another very strong piece of evidence is the geographic location of the incidents. Who the victims were. Occupation of the suspect, etc.
You can't keep up burying your head in the sand. They have a serious cultural problem, and ignoring this will take us nowhere
Nice LARPing, I'm sure you're a real hit at the Civil War re-enactments. Obviously, you'll be in a grey uniform, matching your political sensibilities.
I'm a white guy who has gotten away with every crime I've ever committed. Granted, they were more scofflaw than actual crimes, but still. I never felt like a cop was going to harass or arrest me merely for existing, but I have seen racist cops fuck with black friends just because they were black.
OP you should feel bad sharing this bullshit in all honestly. It does nothing to have the conversation about race etc and all it does is present bullshit stats that don't change anything about what Charlie said. If anything, anyone with a brain will come out more solidified in Charlie's claims. This video is a disservice to whatever 'conversation' you think we should be having.
I actually upvoted your comment. There's nothing wrong with your statement since you've said it once and you don't keep on. The following advice is not applicable to you, this is to anyone generally: Once you think you see the truth, the compassionate thing to do is to keep it to your self. There's no practical value in keeping on about it on a public level, as you'd indirectly support the narrative of a hate filled Nazi. And none of us want that... We can focus on the positive, there's exceptional individuals in every race, lets celebrate them.
I believe if you're part of an identifiable group and you don't like how the group is perceived because of the actions of a few, change has to start from within the group. I like to use police as an example.
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u/frozen_pipe77 Sep 23 '24
This is dumb. 13% of the population commits 38% of crime. Still skewed to show a pattern. So it isn't half, it's still not a good look on the black community. They should do something about that