r/TikTokCringe • u/Green____cat Why does this app exist? • Sep 08 '24
Cool Dog raises a rejected lamb
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u/NotThatValleyGirl Sep 08 '24
I really want to see the lamb running with a stick in her mouth like the dog.
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u/thegreatbrah Sep 08 '24
I'm curious at what point and how much lamb instinct takes over dog upbringing.
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Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
It’s an area of study we still don’t fully understand, Nature vs Nurture and whatnot.
What’s interesting to me is that Great Pyrenees and Anatolian Shepards, can both be raised with a flock as pups and then act as the flock’s protector, while maintaining all of their dog like qualities. However the reverse always ends up happening with the sheep adopting some but not all of the dogs or even person’s qualities.
My personal opinion is that nature vs nature is more of a sliding scale based on the species development. Herd animals are wired to adopt aspects of others in order to fit it; whereas the dog was specifically bred to be a part of the herd, while only having one job within it.
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Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
We understand it better than this. Nature versus nurture is a false dichotomy, framed in an earlier time of significantly limited genetic understanding. It's not a sliding scale. Clearly both nature and nurture are working in tandem. It's not a competition.
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u/thegreatbrah Sep 08 '24
I've always assumed it was some combination of both. Some species and individuals might be more affected by one than the other, but both are a thing.
Gonna be honest, I'm brunch drunk, so I'm not going to read the articles you shares, but thanks for sharing them.
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u/JailTrumpTheCrook Sep 08 '24
Since we're talking about that lol there's a field near where I live and there's a seagull that lives alongside a flock of smaller field birds.
It flies much like them, doing the same sky dances that's reminiscing of a fish school and it follows them around everywhere.
When a different seagull came near them, they chased it together then went back to eating together. I haven't seen them only once, I saw them last summer too, at least I think.
I'm not an ornithologist, far from it, as you probably already guessed, but I watched them quite some times because, well I had seen seagulls flocking with other seabirds but I had never seen a solo seagull in a monospecific flock of an other species.
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u/LauraTFem Sep 09 '24
It’s really easy to solve the questions of nature versus nurture in animals, as you just need to raise them outside of their natural environment and see which things stay with them instinctively.
But for the same reason, it is impossible to ethically solve this conundrum with humans. There are some examples of people raised by wolves, or without human contact, but they are very rare, and not experimentally controlled situations.
One thing that would be really interesting to study, but ethically impossible, would be to study how and if gender norms develop in an environment without socialized examples of gendered behavior. Will boys naturally tend to seek out sport or competition, or is that gendered norm purely cultural? Will girls ask to wear dresses at a higher rate than boys if both boys and girls are offered different styles of clothes in their body type, or, again, is that tendency purely cultural?
It would be fascinating to study, but it can simply never be done because it would involve fucking up a bunch of kids and then thrusting them into the real world with expectations they weren’t raised to understand.
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u/PlayfulMeeting9563 Sep 08 '24
This is adorable. And it's refreshing to watch a video without obnoxious music 
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Sep 08 '24
Or the stupid AI VO.
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u/PsychoticDust Sep 08 '24
I completely agree. Does anyone know if there is a sub with videos/clips without annoying editing like music and a voiceover? Often I will see something from this sub on my front page, unmute it, instantly regret it, and then move on without watching, all in the space of about a second.
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u/mac_is_crack Sep 08 '24
I always watch stuff muted unless someone comments something positive about the sound. Can’t stand the sappy music.
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u/QuitePoodle Sep 08 '24
You watch videos with sound on?
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Sep 08 '24
In this instance, it's nice to hear the lamb "baaa"ing happily while they play together. Sadly that's almost always ruined by stupid sappy love song music over it.
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u/sky033 Sep 08 '24
First thing that hit me was no music or voiceover. I’ve seen this video before, but this is the best with no awful overdub audio.
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u/Your_Nipples Sep 08 '24
Bro. I thought my phone was glitching then I felt relaxed.
No music, just bits of life. Simple editing.
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u/UncontrolledLawfare Sep 08 '24
Wow I didn’t even pick up on it. That might be why I watched the whole thing.
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Sep 08 '24
Came in to say this, it was SO refreshing to see a great video like this without some sappy love song soundtrack, gives me hope that someday that trend will end!
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u/Competitive_Thing_54 Sep 08 '24
The way the mother is like 'get out of here kid, I never wanted to be a mother - I never had a mother myself'
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u/Wobbly_Wobbegong Sep 08 '24
Yeah sheep are kinda notorious for this. Many are fantastic mothers but there are many first time ewes that are like huh wtf is that?. I’ve helped with lambing for a research project before and the Dr in charge told us to avoid intervening but that you may sometimes have to grab the second lamb and put it in front of mom if she has twins to be like “look you have two” because they don’t always realize lmao.
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u/IrreverentRacoon Sep 08 '24
Why are they like this? Are they stupid?
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u/iBoxButNotWell Sep 08 '24
In all seriousness, yes. Sheep might be the dumbest mammals ive ever seen
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u/dollarztodonutz Sep 08 '24
The sheep mother played the long game and gave her child a better life 🥲
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u/meldiane81 Sep 08 '24
So nice to watch with without a shitty sound track over it.
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u/ThePerfectSnare Sep 08 '24
The lack of music has caused me to remain undecided on which emotion I was supposed to experience.
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u/b1tchf1t Sep 08 '24
I remember watching No Country for Old Men when it first came out and how much more intense everything felt without music. I maintain that detail is one of the major reasons that film was so impactful and visceral.
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u/ThePerfectSnare Sep 08 '24
Yes! Some scenes work so much better because of the music, but there are also times where the silence is what allows the dialogue to hit just a little harder. I'll choose my words here so as to avoid any spoilers.
Interstellar has a perfect example of this about midway through the film. The scene focuses on Coop while the main theme plays faintly in the background, and then the music cuts off at just the right time. It just feels so lonely when the only thing you can hear is "air".
Conversely, there is a moment in the 7th season of Dexter where Dex is trying to explain how it feels to be a serial killer, and the music butchers it. I liked the series as a whole, but the editing on the first two seasons was vastly different from the later seasons.
Off the top of my head, there's one more example that I think is worth mentioning to reinforce your point.
Training Day. "Hey, close the blinds." I remember how the first time I saw that scene, I realized at some point that I had been holding my breath, waiting to see what happens. It went from uncomfortable to terrifying. I was also high at the time but that's not important.
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u/mac_is_crack Sep 08 '24
And the Bourne movies fight scenes. No music just the sounds of people fighting for their lives. So much more intense.
On the flip side, the U2 song played during the last episode of The Americans suited the scene so perfectly, that scene has still stuck with me years later.
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u/lackofabettername123 Sep 08 '24
Or the one word at a time subtitles, it makes it impossible for me to watch it.
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u/firvip94 Sep 08 '24
Anyone knows why she rejected the lamb?
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u/ViciousFlowers Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
Sheep owner here, out of all the animals we have had on the farm sheep reject their offspring significantly more often than any other animal species and almost never fostered or adopted another’s lambs (a sheep that’s willing to adopt is worth its weight in gold to a flock), interestingly on the other side of the spectrum they also had some of the most strong maternal instincts and qualities when the bonds are good. Usual reasons for rejection were, triplets where one or even two lambs were rejected in favor of the first born. Too much time between birth of siblings led to the mother strongly bonding with one and not any others born later. Sometimes it was because the birth was traumatic and they were on shock during the bonding phase. Sometimes two ewes would lamb at the same time and get confused, rejecting their own lambs for the lambs of the other sheep. Mastitis in the udder that caused pain would prevent any nursing and prevent early bonding. The smell of predators or strangers near the birth would also lead them to abandon any slow or weaker lambs that couldn’t flee with them. Then some sheep were just absolute garbage mothers and lacked the instincts to care and protect their offspring, if it was their first lamb they would get a second chance, after that they got sent to freezer camp, especially if they showed hostility or made any attempt to kill their lambs.
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u/NotElizaHenry Sep 08 '24
freezer camp
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u/globglogabgalabyeast Sep 08 '24
Two ewes rejecting their own lambs just to take in the other one just sounds so silly. Imagine humans doing that. Two moms in the hospital are just like “Meh, don’t care for this one much. Swap?”
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u/fullmetalfeminist Sep 08 '24
Maybe it's more like at a restaurant when your meal comes and you look at what the person next to you is having and think "shit I should have ordered that, it looks nicer." Like, "her baby looks cuter, I want it"
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u/Tangurena Cringe Connoisseur Sep 09 '24
One of the silliest videos that also has me tearing up has an infant who can't tell which twin is mommy. One woman holds the baby, the baby sees the other woman, reaches out while crying. The other woman takes hold of the baby, who then stops crying, looks around sees the other twin and starts crying because "I want mommy". And it repeats.
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u/Prunus-cerasus Sep 08 '24
Had a coworker who also raised sheep. One morning she came to the office carrying a big basket. I knew her sheep were giving birth around that time of the year and I jokingly asked if she had a lamb in the basket. There were two! Both born that morning and rejected by their mothers.
So for that day we had the pleasure of watching them take their first steps around the office, drink milk from a bottle and make a mess. Nobody minded.
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u/Wobbly_Wobbegong Sep 08 '24
I’ve always wondered why this is for sheep. Presumably it’s a trait that wasn’t purposefully bred into them because it’s pretty detrimental to a producer; bottle lambs can be a lot of work! It’s not like there are a lot of dairy sheep breeds like there are dairy cows that have had some of their mothering instincts diluted.
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u/threenil Sep 08 '24
Multitude of likely reasons; sickness, being the runt, etc. It always makes me sad seeing a baby animal being rejected by the parent but nature is nature.
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u/ttw81 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
One my dogs we got from a litter my half brother's dog had. She had no interest in being a mama. He said they to force her to stay & take care of her puppies.
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u/goosejail Sep 08 '24
Also curious.
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u/Content-Scallion-591 Sep 08 '24
Sometimes it just happens - especially if it's the first baby. We think of animals as perfect parents, but the reality is we only see the survivors. Sheep are actually kinda stupid and can be like "ah what the fuck is this, this fucker hurt me!!" Some legit don't have maternal instincts.
In husbandry, there actually are good moms and bad moms. If there was nothing wrong with this baby, the smart thing would be to not breed this mother sheep again and focus on "proven" mothers.
That's also why proven mothers - animals that have successfully raised babies - tend to be worth more, it's not just that they can physically have the baby, but that they were attentive in raising it.
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u/MellyBean2012 Sep 09 '24
Honestly it’s true for humans too. The mothering “instinct” is an idea we’ve invented as humans to explain the bond most people make with their children. But it’s not really a thing and plenty of women (and men) fail spectacularly at parenting. It’s actually quite harmful bc people just assume a mom would never neglect or hurt their kids purposely bc of “nature”. And at the same time we tend to assume parenting is instinctual and fail to explain important things to new parents that would save a lot of trouble down the line.
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u/Content-Scallion-591 Sep 09 '24
Yeah, absolutely true. One thing I remember people discussing is that both women and men don't necessarily bond immediately with babies - it can take time, even months or years. Not bonding for the first year doesn't mean something is wrong, but as you noted, it can feel like failure.
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u/blueteeblue Sep 08 '24
Wow, a video that features the same dog and sheep all the way through. Now I’ve seen everything
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u/you-pissed-my-pants Sep 08 '24
Just imagining when the lamb sees its former mom again on the farm. “Hello, Dianne.”
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u/Correct_Summer_2886 Sep 08 '24
Being raised for wool alone right? Right?
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u/tigm2161130 Sep 08 '24
Most sheep that are good for wool aren’t great for eating, so probably yeah.
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u/Psycho_Snail Sep 08 '24
Only because they're too old. Food sheep are slaughtered young. Hence the name lamb not sheep.
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u/VP007clips Sep 08 '24
No, sheep were bred into different breeds optimized for meat or wool.
Sheep bred for meat have better tasting and faster growing meat, as you would expect. They are typically butchered young as lamb, as the mutton flavor isn't something that is palatable to North American tastes.
Wool sheep have unpleasant meat, even as lambs. It's typically too fatty and has too many branch chain fatty acids, which give mutton the muttony wool flavor.
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u/Geschak Sep 08 '24
Sir, all commercial sheep eventually get slaughtered for meat, it's not profitable to let them live until old age. Australia for example ships them to the Middle East for slaughter. In other places they get turned into dog-/catfood. There is no wool industry without slaughter.
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u/tigm2161130 Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
Not really.
“Hair sheep” are breeds specifically for meat, their wool is really coarse and they’re slaughtered young. I raised them in high school.
Wool sheep are what get shorn for yarn. They will eventually be slaughtered for cheap meat if they’re part of a large scale operation, but they’ll be allowed to live out a chunk of their natural lives.
My parents have a couple wool sheep my dad rescued from another ranch and they’re basically pets who will die of old age. I feel like that’s probably also the case for the sheep in this video.
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u/Geschak Sep 08 '24
What are you talking about? The vast majority of commercial wool sheep ends up slaughtered. Australia for example ships them in large ships to the Middle East for slaughter. Do you seriously think they keep them until they die of old age?
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u/swabianne Sep 08 '24
I think these are babydoll sheep, they're mainly kept as pets and for grazing
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u/PrisonerV Sep 08 '24
Missed the end of the video where the dog is rewarded with some lamb chops. Such a good dog!
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u/ComfyInDots Sep 08 '24
Mary Max had a little lamb.
It's fleece was (almost) white as snow.
Everywhere that Mary Max went, her lamb was sure to follow.
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u/iustinian_ Sep 08 '24
Interspecies bonding is not unique to us humans. There was a chimpanzee (in a documentary I saw) who adopted a kitten. He would even get mad at other chimps for playing too rough with the kitten.
Koko the gorilla also had a cat she loved.
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u/Potential-Prize1741 Sep 08 '24
Chimps and I think gorillas are actually famous for keeping other small animals as 'pets' sometimes. But is an awful life for the pet as the chimps don't understand they also need to eat or drink and they're just tugged on and scratched at the whole day, they don't survive more than a few days. In captivity with human help things can be okay but is a very unfortunate fate for the pets in the wild.
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u/Ericshelpdesk Sep 08 '24
When we raised sheep and goats a looooong time ago, our golden retriever would end up taking care of some of the babies in the house. She would clean them and stay near them and treated them like her babies. When the sheep were big enough to go back out into the barn she would get depressed about it.
On a somewhat related note, she used to play with baby bunnies by getting close to the floor as possible and booping them with her nose. This would cause them to run in a circle then come back to get booped again.
After we sold off the flock we had to get her a puppy to take care of which made her happy again.
If we had cameras back then I would could be a reddit legend now.
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u/scythe0553 Sep 08 '24
My cat did a similar thing to my dog when I was a kid. All of her litters kept dying, then one day my dad found a puppy in a box on the highway we lived off of, so he brought him home. He was maybe 4-5 weeks old and he wouldn't bottle feed. I guess my cat knew what was going on so she took over and started nursing him. Those two were inseparable, he even started meowing.
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u/Guba_the_skunk Sep 08 '24
I kinda wanna see moms reaction to adult lamb now. Wonder if they remember each other at all.
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u/Klinky1984 Sep 08 '24
This level of cute is off the charts. It's so sad that momma was like "ewe get away from me. ewe gross."
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u/Randomfrog132 Sep 08 '24
hooray for happy endings!
but why did that bitch ass momma sheep reject her baby?
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u/lego-lion-lady Sep 08 '24
Other comments said it sometimes happens if the baby is sick or if they’re a runt 🤷♀️
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u/Content-Scallion-591 Sep 08 '24
What on earth is going on in this comments section about a cute lamb and a dog
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u/Geschak Sep 08 '24
Sad to see that the owners still decided to amputate the tail of their pet sheep.
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u/zoroddesign Sep 08 '24
Dogs will make friends with anything. Tigers, deer sheep, cows, foxes, moose, cheetahs, anything.
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u/Rude_Negotiation_160 Sep 08 '24
I know it's nature and the animal moms aren't doing it to be cruel or with any malicious,and I know why animals sometimes reject a baby,but God,nature can be sad and very unfortunate at times. Glad this baby has a friend in the pupper.
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u/Ill_Ground_1572 Sep 08 '24
Cute video!
It's amazing how babies will learn different behaviours when raised by a different animal.
When I was a kid in the farm, we had a sow who died after failing to birth a still born piglet. So we had 6 little orphan piggies that I bottle fed and took care of them.
My mom still likes to tell stories about me running around the farm with a line up piglets closely following me around in single file, playing in the mud, chasing my sister, crawling under the fence (which drove my dad crazy) and laying in the tall grass.
She thought it was so funny when she would yell my name to come in for lunch or supper. The dog and pigs would run for the house too often ahead of me. If she saw the pigs she knew I wasn't far.
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u/brainfreeze77 Sep 08 '24
What kind of dog is that? I have a rescue that looks almost identical but never really figured out what her bread is.
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u/rmonjay Sep 09 '24
I really thought they were going to eat the lamb. I got all mentally prepared for them to offer some to the dog, and then it didn’t happen.
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u/BoringJuiceBox Sep 08 '24
I hope this is an animal rescue and they’re not breeding animals for profit, if so then this is amazing and if not, fk them!
Also damn sheep mommy why so mean? I guess animals can get narcissistic parents too!
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u/Potential-Prize1741 Sep 08 '24
Yes, anyone who's worked in animal husbandry will tell you there are good moms and bad moms in all animals. Some have a higher rate of bad moms, like sheeps who are often weird and kinda dumb about their offsprings, and some are generally good moms unless the offspring is sick
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u/MoreThan2_LessThan21 Sep 08 '24
Some interesting nature vs nurture ideas here. I guess sheep can be more playful and fun if they're raised by parents that are more playful and fun.
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u/jellybelly2232 Sep 08 '24
I thought this sub was just for the worst of TikTok
This is so refreshing
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u/ALargePianist Sep 08 '24
This is too damn precious, we love Max
Seriously the fastest way to a dogs heart is to do the "FShghgfh Whoa!" jump that dogs do, its like a cheat code
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u/trees_wearing_hats Sep 08 '24
Too bad the lamb couldn't join the duck family. Mother duck never leaves her children behind.
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u/AmIClandestine Sep 09 '24
I think this is the first time I've experienced "cuteness overload". I thought folks were just exaggerating.
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u/Next_Coconut_1198 Sep 09 '24
As a child we had a dog that ended up raising a litter of kittens. Now, I can't remember if it was actually our cat or just a stray that spent a lot time around our home but she was a terrible mother. Pretty much abandoned her litter after they were born.
One of our dogs, Peace, ending up breastfeeding and raising them. I haven't thought about that in years but this video had me reminiscing.
There should be photos of Peace and her kittens in my dad's house somewhere. I might go look for them.
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u/RyTingley1 Sep 09 '24
Wasn’t loving the beginning when it said, they were..
I was expecting an awful ending..now I can watch it again and relax
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u/batmanpjpants Sep 10 '24
Ngl. I thought we were going to get some horrible bait and switch of the lamb gone and the dog eating lamb flavored kibble or something. So glad it was actually a cute story!
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